... Hi Donna I don't think you want to make that argument, and I think it would be pretty hard to prove in any case. If Paul is making a universal rule for all...
... Michael It seems like you are missing Jim's point. I don't think he is arguing for women teaching, as you appear to be taking him. ... I think you are...
... Why does culture matter at all? If it can be established that it was understood then that women are more easily deceived, would that negate the command?...
... Donna, You are on the right track here if you want to approach the passage in a scholarly way. This is the first thing a scholar would do -- survey the ...
dlouise: It seems to me that the wrong questions are being asked. The question should be something like, "Did Paul and the people of his time have the idea...
... Notice the bolding of the "Ifs" above. Michael is talking through his hat. He doesn't know any more than the rest of us what the ancient world thought of...
... Don't get me wrong, Don, but the answer is "Yes." The churches are heavily female because for so many years the "christianity" of our churches has been a...
Michael: Even today the secular scholars favor it, despite the pressures of our time, because they are careful to interpret it in the first-century context. I...
... Actually, I think that the current phenomenon has long been observable, even in the seemingly more 'manly' church of previous years. It is observable in...
Michael: Could you possibly list the traits that you have observed (and where you have observed them) that (a) appeal primarily to women and (b) either drive...
dlouise quotes John Gill as follows: <<There is no need to say with interpreters, that he was not deceived first; and that he was not deceived immediately by...
Hello, everyone, Here's JFB on this verse: 14. Adam was not deceived--as Eve was deceived by the serpent; but was persuaded by his wife. Genesis 3:17,...
... deceived first; and that he was not deceived immediately by the serpent, but by Eve; and that he is never said in Scripture to be deceived, as Melchizedek...
fwd fyi... Quote #1: According to a survey of 5,000-plus teenage girls, their main ambition is to complete university then return to the homestead - whether ...
Lynn: Gill has said many wonderful things, but the above is most assuredly NOT one of them.>>> Hello, Lynn, I respect your opinion on this. I don't think, as...
Donna, Hi there! You posed some intersting questions. I'll give a couple of them a whirl, and offer my thoughts for what they are worth. ... The ways in which...
dlouise: Maybe I'll post what the Piper/Grudem book says on this verse. They give a pretty complete summary of the various interpretations on this whole...
... Well, I certainly disagree with this. The author goes on to present one of the more innovative and questionable interpretations given in the Recovering ...
dlouise25 <dlouise25@...> wrote: I am amazed, too, that the word "consequence" can be somehow divorced from the word "punishment." That is a reasoning...
... I would agree with you about the "easily" part of your analysis. Help me though. How is Eve's deception a "consequence of the fall"? Grace, Dr. B....
... These remarks of yours are essentially pragmatic. The interpretation, in your opinion, should be controlled or determined by the likely effect of it, in...
dlouise: What is a consequence if it is not a punishment of some kind? >>> Melissa: I think about the difference between "consequences" and "punishment" like...
... Maybe some will believe that, but that is not a true application. Whether an exception or not to the basis for the command, the command stands. I believe...
... pun·ish·ment (p¾n"¹sh-m...nt) n. 1.a. The act or an instance of punishing. b. The condition of being punished. 2. A penalty imposed for wrongdoing. 3....
... Douglas Moo, one of the men who gave us the TNIV. I assume that he is no longer associated with the CBMW. < >> Lynn: I don't know about that, but people at...
... imply that all women are, like Eve, more susceptible to being deceived than are men, and that this is why they should not be teaching men! While this...
... A punishment is sometimes avoided, especially if a crime goes undetected or unsolved. A consequence cannot be avoided. It follows in SEQUENCE naturally ...
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