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#10825

From: ken <gebser@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 2:37 pm
Subject: wrong address (was: Re: Prayer.)

gebserisch

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#10826

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 3:34 pm
Subject: Spiritual Growth

collies85

Hi Everyone,

If you have a bad opinion of yourself, it's not a true picture, and you will
only make your life difficult.  As soon as you accept yourself as you are, you
begin to transform.  In a reasonable way, bring your good qualities to mind and
try to develope a positive attitude toward life.  With this as your foundation,
you will be more successful, more positive, and more realistic.  This will lead
to spiritual growth.  It's a very practical way to be.

(Lama Yeshe in Becoming Vajrasattva)

Greetings,

Jade

#10827

From: "Jay" <bugsybutch@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: wrong address (was: Re: Prayer.)

bugsybutch

OOPS! Mea Culpa! *jay looks sheepishly within* I'll fix it later, ok?
Jay:)

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#10828

From: "rocammack@s6" <cammack@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 9:33 pm
Subject: Re birth

cammack51

My dear friends

I'm learning a lot from your mails and quotes but I'm still very much of a
beginner.

A question:

A regards rebirth, is it possible to be reborn in the past and not in the
future?

Cari�os

Robert Cammack
Lujan
Argentina

#10829

From: "pemayeshe2003" <r_phelps201@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re birth

pemayeshe2003

>
> A regards rebirth, is it possible to be reborn in the past and not
in the
> future?
>
> Cari�os

   I can only offer you something to ponder Carinos.How can you be sure
that you haven't been "born in the past" already? What makes you think
that you are in "the present"? Are you sure there is a "future"? I
have no answers to give you, but in my experience considering all
these questions will lead you to your answer.Tread lightly and keep a
sense of humor! I wish you well.

#10830

From: Ellis Nelson <himalayaspencerellis@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:14 pm
Subject: Library of Tibetan Works Archives- classes start

himalayaspen...

BBnnm,,B

hunuddhism classes online

#10831

From: Ellis Nelson <himalayaspencerellis@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:14 pm
Subject: Library of Tibetan Works Archives- classes start

himalayaspen...

BBnnm,,B

hunuddhism classes online

#10832

From: Ellis Nelson <himalayaspencerellis@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Library of Tibetan Works Archives- classes start

himalayaspen...

The Library will offer free online classes again starting March 16th. The first unit will cover the 37 Factors Concordant with Enlightenment. See www.ltwa.net for more info.

Laura

BBnnm,,B

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#10833

From: Dhamma <dhammagroup@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: The Wheel-Turning Monarch - III *

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Majjhima Nikaya 3.9 - Balapanditasuttam2

(The Wheel-Turning Monarch - Continued)

Continued from previous instalment

Commentary: The Lord Buddha explains the happiness, pleasure and the highest worldly human attainment that can be gained by the performance of wise and good actions; that of becoming of a Wheel-Turning (Universal) Monarch (the higest king who gains seven treasures, four powers and sovereignty over all lands purely through his morality, goodness and reliance on the Dhamma). Here the Lord Buddha explains the last three treasures (of seven) that appear to a Wheel-Turning Monarch. The first one, the wheel treasure, was covered in instalment 6 and treasures 2-4 in the previous instalment. According to a commentary a Wheel-Turning Monarch can only appear when the life-span of humans has reached 80,000 years or more. Please note however that the Lord Buddha has explained elsewhere that no worldly treasures, even those of a Wheel-Turning Monarch can even come close to the happiness to be gained by giving up (of the world) and the gaining of the lasting peace of Nibbana.

The elephant treasure. Click here to view a larger image.

The horse treasure. Click here to view a larger image.

The gem treasure. Click here to view a larger image.

Again, bhikkhus, to the Universal Monarch appears the woman treasure. Beautiful, pleasant to look at and endowed with the highest beauty. Not too tall nor too short, not too thin nor too fat, not too dark nor too fair, that beauty beyond human but not divine. Bhikkhus, that woman treasure had a bodily contact like that of cotton tuft or silk tuft. When cold she had a warm body and when warm had a cold body. From her body emanated the scent of sandlewood and from her mouth emanated the scent of white lotus. This woman treasure would get up and attend to the needs of the Universal Monarch with a pleasant mind, at his appearance. That woman treasure's mental needs would not exceed those of the Universal Monarch, her bodily needs would never. Bhikkhus, the Universal Monarch's woman treasure is such.

Explanation: The Lord Buddha explains the fifth treasure that appears to a Wheel-Turning (Universal) Monarch, the woman ( Commentary

spouse) treasure, who has the highest physical beauty. She is not excessively tall not short, not too thin nor too fat, not too dark nor too fair, with beauty that is greater than the highest human beauty but not divine. Contact with her body ( Commentary

is so soft that it) is like touching clump of cotton or silk. When it is cold, she has a warm body and when it is warm, she has a cool body. Her body has the scent of sandalwood and her mouth the smell lotuses. She gets up before the Wheel-Turning Monarch and retires for sleep after him.⁴ She is eager to serve him, has good conduct in body and is kindly in speech.⁴ When she would not be unfaithful to the Wheel-Turning Monarch in thought, how could she in body?⁴

Again, bhikkhus, to the Universal Monarch appears the householder treasure. To the householder treasure there appears the heavenly eye as a result of earler done actions. When he sees a treasure with or without ownership, he would inform the king. 'Great king, be unconcerned I will fill your treasury.' In the past a Universal Monarch wanting to examine the householder treasure embarked a ship and in the middle of the Ganges in the middle of the stream said 'Householder, I'm in need of sovereign gold,' 'Then Great king reach either of the two banks'. 'Householder, I need the sovereign gold here itself,' Then that householder treasure removed the water in the river with both his hands and raised a pot full of sovereign gold and told the Universal Monarch. 'Great king, is that enough, is the work done!' 'Householder, that is enough, the work is done!' Bhikkhus, the Universal Monarch's householder treasure is such.

Explanation: The Lord Buddha explains the sixth treasure that appears to a Wheel-Turning Monarch, the householder (steward⁴) treasure. Through past good actions done, the householder treasure has the divine eye faculty capable of seeing ownerless as well as owned treasure. He approaches the Wheel-Turning Monarch and says "Sire, be at ease, I will take care of your monetary affairs."⁴ In the past a Wheel-Turning Monarch wanting to test the householder treasure boarded a ship and in the middle of the Ganges river said to the househlder treasure, "Householder, I need gold," to which the householder treasure replied "Sire, let the boat reach one of the banks of the river." Then the Wheel-Turning Monarch said, "Household, it is right here that I need gold!" The householder treasure plunged both hands into the Ganges river midstream and moving aside the water brought out a pot full of gold and asked the Wheel-Turning Monarch, "Sire, is this enough, has enough been done?" to which the Wheel-Turning Monarch replied in the affirmative.

Again, bhikkhus, to the Universal Monarch appears the adviser treasure, circumspect, learned, wise and competent. He is competent and could attend to the needs ofthe Universal Monarch, dismiss whatever should be dismissed, and establish whatever should be established. Approaching the Universal Monarch he says 'Great king be unconcerned, I will advise. Bhikkhus, the Universal Monarch's adviser treasure is such.

Explanation: The Lord Buddha explains the seventh treasure that appears to a Wheel-Turning Monarch, the adviser/counsellor treasure, who is circumspect, learned, wise (wise, shrewd, sagacious⁴) and capable. He is capable and can look after the Wheel-Turning Monarch affairs, dismissing whatever should be dismissed and establishing that which should be established. Approaching the universal monarch he would say "Sire, be at ease, I shall advice you".

Bhikkhus, the Universal Monarch is endowed with these seven treasures.

Explanation: The Lord Buddha says that these are the seven treasure of a Wheel-Turning Monarch.

To be continued...

Source: This discourse (sutta) can be found in full here http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/Majjhima3/129-balapandita-e.html

Series History:
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Notes

1. More suttas can be found here http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sutta.html and here http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/index.html

2. This sutta can be found in full here http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/Majjhima3/129-balapandita-e.html

3. Read more about Wheel-Turning Monarchs here http://tipitaka.wikia.com/wiki/Cakkavattisihanada_Sutta

4. Alternate translation relied upon here from The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha, A Translation of the Majjhima Nikaya by Bhikkhu Bodhi.

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#10834

From: Oneirophile@...
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:50 pm
Subject: Printable "Eight Verses for Training the Mind" (will send on request)

frillyseaslug

Losar Tashi Delek, everyone!

I am currently taking a business skills course which includes classes in Microsoft Word, and have been experimenting on my own with creating printable versions of some of my favorite quotes.

I recently did a printable version of Langri Thangpa's "Eight Verses for Training the Mind" in light, peaceful colors with a bit of clip art, and can e-mail it individually as an attachment (Microsoft Word 2003 format) to anyone who requests it.

If interested, drop me an e-mail and I'll be happy to send it to you.

Peace and blessings from

your friend in the Threefold Jewel,

Jill

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("Bidden or not bidden, God is present")
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#10835

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: Unconditional Love

collies85

Hi Everyone,

Unconditional love accepts the impermanent of its loved one.  It understands
that people change, and it adjusts to those changes without selfish demands or
pressures.

(Mathew Brotolin in The Dharma Of Star Wars)

Greetings,

Jade

#10836

From: "rocammack@s6" <cammack@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re birth

cammack51

Dear pemayeshe2003

Your sign-off name didn't appear on your mail.

We seem to be losing the tail ends of our mails - my name is Robert and 'cari�os' is just a way of saying 'Bless you' in Spanish!!

Thanks for your answer. Yes, it's something to ponder all right. .I live near a small town in the Argentine Pampas where, as far as I can find, there are no Buddhists. So most of my information comes from what I can find on Internet.

And yes, sense of humor is what keeps me going.

Blessings

Robert

Lujan

Argentina

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To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:36 PM

Subject: [Buddhism_101] Re: Re birth

>
> A regards rebirth, is it possible to be reborn in the past and not
in the
> future?
>
> Cari�os

I can only offer you something to ponder Carinos.How can you be sure
that you haven't been "born in the past" already? What makes you think
that you are in "the present"? Are you sure there is a "future"? I
have no answers to give you, but in my experience considering all
these questions will lead you to your answer.Tread lightly and keep a
sense of humor! I wish you well.

#10837

From: "jsam.hob3" <jsam.hob3@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: taking refuge

jsam.hob3

taking refuge
Greetings Friends,

I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now.  I am interested in information
and thoughts on taking refuge.  I am sorry if this is a repeat
question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
Sorry!  I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.

I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
take many lifetimes!  I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
teachings.  If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
initiation.  I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
who speaks to my heart.  Any thoughts or guidance?
Metta

#10838

From: ken <gebser@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:04 am
Subject: Re: taking refuge

gebserisch

Metta,

Though you might not be able to take refuge in the traditional Tibetan
buddhist way, you can still make refuge wherever you are.  As I
understand it, refuge is not so much a particular place, but a situation
which temporarily insulates one from the travails of samsara so one can
free the mind to meditate on and to consider noble notions which the
rush and noise of ordinary life leaves little opportunity for.  Yes, we
can build a temple or monastery in which to take refuge.  We can also
decorate a corner of a room in a way which brings us peace.  But we can
also simply sit on the ground under a tree and bring peace there.

--
"To make an apple pie from scratch,
first create the universe."
         -- Carl Sagan

On 03/02/2009 09:46 AM jsam.hob3 wrote:
>
>
> taking refuge
> Greetings Friends,
>
> I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
> Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
> and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
> question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
> Sorry! I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
> take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.
>
> I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
> take many lifetimes! I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
> for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
> teachings. If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
> initiation. I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
> someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
> who speaks to my heart. Any thoughts or guidance?
> Metta
>
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#10839

From: "Lisa Hazelwood" <grtdanes@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:46 am
Subject: Re: taking refuge

lfiwchuk

Hi,

Do you mind telling me where in Canada you live? I am in Winnipeg.

lisa

----- Original Message -----

From: jsam.hob3

To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM

Subject: [Buddhism_101] taking refuge

taking refuge
Greetings Friends,

I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
Sorry! I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.

I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
take many lifetimes! I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
teachings. If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
initiation. I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
who speaks to my heart. Any thoughts or guidance?
Metta

#10840

From: John Pellecchia <pellejf@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:56 am
Subject: Re: taking refuge

pellejf

Good evening, jsam.hob3.

There is no need to apologize for asking a question that others may have asked. We've all been where you are and have most likely asked the same questions ourselves.

I just want to add a bit to what Ken wrote. Taking refuge is not like receiving Baptism in a Christian church. In fact, most prayers that one recites begins with taking refuge in the Triple Gem: "To the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha I take refuge until I reach enlightenment". So taking refuge can be a daily occurrence. It is not done once and then you are a Buddhist forever.

Here is what the Ven. Professor Samdhong Rinpoche (the Prime Minister of the Tibetan Government in exile) said in a recent interview regarding your question:

"Of course formal refuge ceremony is not necessary for anyone to become Buddhist. But without taking refuge, I don't think that you can be a true Buddhist. You may be practising [sic] some of the Buddhist techniques or teachings, but you cannot be classified as a Buddhist. The door to enter into Buddhism is through taking refuge. Once you take refuge, then you become a Buddhist; and when you lose/give up the refuge, then you go back into being a non-Buddhist. Taking refuge in Dharma is a necessary condition for becoming Buddhist, but that does not need any ceremony or a guru or a teacher or a guide — you can do it by yourself....When you are attending a refuge taking ceremony you are not necessarily taking refuge. Taking refuge means that you must have a basic understanding of the Dharma, and you must have a basic understanding of the misery of the worldly life. And what is meant by taking refuge? It means you establish the faith in your mind that Dharma alone can save you from misery or unhappiness, and for that matter you must have understood that you have a number of sufferings, and that you also have a desire to get rid of the suffering. You must also have an understanding that Dharma alone can give you freedom from suffering. If these basic understandings are within you or any person, then the person is automatically taking refuge without taking any ceremony. Otherwise you might have attended a ceremony a hundred times, but you still remain without any refuge. So refuge is a mindset, it is not a ceremony." (from "An Interview with Ven. Professor Samdhong Rinpoche," Mandala Magazine June/July 2008: 26-27)

I hope this is of some help in answering your question.

May all be at peace.

John

With good will for the entire cosmos,
cultivate a limitless heart:
Above, below, and all around,
unobstructed, without hostility or hate.

(Sutta Nipata I, 8)

----- Original Message ----
From: jsam.hob3 <jsam.hob3@...> wrote in part

I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
Sorry!...Any thoughts or guidance?
Metta

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#10841

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Reincarnation

collies85

Hi Everyone, Robert in Argentina,

If you want to believe in reincarnation, you have to believe that this is life,
what you're living through right now, is the afterlife.  You're missing out on
the afterlife you looked forward to in your last existence by worrying about
your next life.  This is what happens to you after you die.  Take a look.

(Brad Warner in Hardcore Zen)

I thought this might help Robert in Argentina with past lives.

Greetings,

Jade

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#10842

From: Leanna Young <yleanna908@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Reincarnation

yleanna908...

Hey everyone,

Some people believe in reincarnation and some people do not. Some people experience it and also some do not. For me I know for a fact that I have had a couple of past lives.....these past lives are a lesson to help and guide us in the present. For me there are also some people that have never been here before. This is there first time here or they are very young souls and have not experienced anything yet until this existence. I do not think it's considered afterlife but I do believe that we have all chosen to have this human experience together. We are here to learn and try to bring light and energy to those around us.

Blessings, Leanna

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 1:05:50 PM
Subject: [Buddhism_101] Reincarnation

Hi Everyone, Robert in Argentina,

If you want to believe in reincarnation, you have to believe that this is life, what you're living through right now, is the afterlife. You're missing out on the afterlife you looked forward to in your last existence by worrying about your next life. This is what happens to you after you die. Take a look.

(Brad Warner in Hardcore Zen)

I thought this might help Robert in Argentina with past lives.

Greetings,

Jade

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#10843

From: steve.ensley@...
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: Reincarnation

ensley5261

Leanna, very well said. I do agree.

SteveE

Leanna Young <yleanna908@...>
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03/03/2009 04:57 PM

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Hey everyone,

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Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 1:05:50 PM
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#10844

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 3:14 pm
Subject: Pain

collies85

Hi Everyone,

Pain, like other sensations, can be our teacher.  Approach pain with respect and
an attitude of inquiry.  Much of our suffering is a result of our avoidance of
pain.  Our practice is to observe our resistance to feeling pain, and learn ways
to soften that resistance.  Through this practice we learn that much of our pain
is merely discomfort with the way things are.  One thing we learn through
practice is to more accurately sense what is real pain and what is discomfort.

(Frank Jude Boccio in Mindfulness Yoga)

Greetings,

Jade

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#10845

From: "jsam.hob3" <jsam.hob3@...>
Date: Thu Mar 5, 2009 12:24 am
Subject: Re: taking refuge

jsam.hob3

Hi Lisa,

I live in Oakville, just outside of Toronto.  While there are several Buddhist
temples in Toronto, the school that I seem to be drawn to is FPMT.  There is an
FPMT Centre in our area, however there are no Lamas there.  Some will visit from
time to time, however I have not been around when they came.  I may have to wait
for the next visit of Lama Zopa Rinpoche!

Judy

--- In Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Hazelwood" <grtdanes@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you mind telling me where in Canada you live?  I am in Winnipeg.
>
> lisa
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jsam.hob3
>   To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM
>   Subject: [Buddhism_101] taking refuge
>
>
>   taking refuge
>   Greetings Friends,
>
>   I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
>   Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
>   and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
>   question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
>   Sorry! I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
>   take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.
>
>   I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
>   take many lifetimes! I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
>   for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
>   teachings. If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
>   initiation. I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
>   someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
>   who speaks to my heart. Any thoughts or guidance?
>   Metta
>

#10846

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Thu Mar 5, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Peace

collies85

Hi Everyone,

True peace comes at a price, and the price is no self-pity and no self-delusion;
the price is letting go of the small grasping self and putting in the time,
effort, and perseverance to really see clearly, the price of true peace is
patience and courage.

(Gary Shishkin Wick in The Book of Equanimity)

Greetings,

Jade

#10847

From: Tony Cartledge <tony.cartledge@...>
Date: Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: taking refuge

socratease48

Hi judy. I just joined teh list recently, and have also just started
attenging Buddhist meetings in my home town of BUndaberg, Queensland,
Australia. We are a satellite FPMT groupt attached to the Venerable
Namdag, a nun ordained by Lama Zopa. She lives a little further north
and visits several times a year. Her first visit since I joined is
next week, so I am looking forward to that.

There is loads of wondeful free material at Lama Yeshe's Wisdom archives.

From my limited experience, even if we have little contact with
others, we can take refuge in our own efforts of meditation and
mindfulness.

Tony

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, jsam.hob3 <jsam.hob3@...> wrote:
> Hi Lisa,
>
> I live in Oakville, just outside of Toronto. While there are several
> Buddhist temples in Toronto, the school that I seem to be drawn to is FPMT.
> There is an FPMT Centre in our area, however there are no Lamas there. Some
> will visit from time to time, however I have not been around when they came.
> I may have to wait for the next visit of Lama Zopa Rinpoche!
>
> Judy
>
> --- In Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Hazelwood" <grtdanes@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you mind telling me where in Canada you live? I am in Winnipeg.
>>
>> lisa
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jsam.hob3
>> To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM
>> Subject: [Buddhism_101] taking refuge
>>
>>
>> taking refuge
>> Greetings Friends,
>>
>> I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
>> Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
>> and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
>> question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
>> Sorry! I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
>> take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.
>>
>> I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
>> take many lifetimes! I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
>> for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
>> teachings. If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
>> initiation. I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
>> someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
>> who speaks to my heart. Any thoughts or guidance?
>> Metta
>>
>
>

#10848

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Fri Mar 6, 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: Understanding

collies85

Hi Everyone,

Without understanding the nature of these two truths-the conventional and the
ultimate-it is difficult to fully appreciate the distinction between appearance
and reality, that is, the discrepancy we experience between our perception and
the way things really are.  Without a deep understanding of this fact, we won't
be in a position to get at the root of our fundamental ignorance.

(The Dalai Lama in Practicing Wisdom)

Greetings,

Jade

#10849

From: Steven Levey <levey_steven@...>
Date: Sat Mar 7, 2009 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: Re: taking refuge

sallev1

Tony,
     As new as you may be to this list and perhaps to the study you are now in, I think you speak wisely about refuge.
    All are aware that there is technical side to it regarding lineage, there is the philosophical side-which is most important to understand, and the actual connection made between the student and the Buddha's teaching/paramitas. And, while I think there is a neccesity to a student actually experiencing refuge from an actual lineage, still we must take reuge through strong effort in meditation and continual mindfullness, on a daily basis (as you point out), for the mind to engage the dharma.
    Strong prerequisites are patience (once the Path is understood as a deep actualization-not really an intellectual exercise) and dana-charity of mind. Failure is immenant here and therefore requires a particular sense o humor to chide onesself while not taking onsself so seriously. After all the lower self is the student of the Budhha nature just as one may be a student of a revered teacher.

Steve

To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com
From: tony.cartledge@...
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:19:27 +1000
Subject: Re: [Buddhism_101] Re: taking refuge

Hi judy. I just joined teh list recently, and have also just started
attenging Buddhist meetings in my home town of BUndaberg, Queensland,
Australia. We are a satellite FPMT groupt attached to the Venerable
Namdag, a nun ordained by Lama Zopa. She lives a little further north
and visits several times a year. Her first visit since I joined is
next week, so I am looking forward to that.

There is loads of wondeful free material at Lama Yeshe's Wisdom archives.

From my limited experience, even if we have little contact with
others, we can take refuge in our own efforts of meditation and
mindfulness.

Tony

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, jsam.hob3 <jsam.hob3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Lisa,
>
> I live in Oakville, just outside of Toronto. While there are several
> Buddhist temples in Toronto, the school that I seem to be drawn to is FPMT.
> There is an FPMT Centre in our area, however there are no Lamas there. Some
> will visit from time to time, however I have not been around when they came.
> I may have to wait for the next visit of Lama Zopa Rinpoche!
>
> Judy
>
> --- In Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Hazelwood" <grtdanes@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you mind telling me where in Canada you live? I am in Winnipeg.
>>
>> lisa
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jsam.hob3
>> To: Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM
>> Subject: [Buddhism_101] taking refuge
>>
>>
>> taking refuge
>> Greetings Friends,
>>
>> I am new to the group, however have been exploring Buddhism (esp.
>> Tibetan Buddhism) for some time now. I am interested in information
>> and thoughts on taking refuge. I am sorry if this is a repeat
>> question, however I do not seem to be able to search past messages.
>> Sorry! I live in Canada, so have limited opportunities to 'officially'
>> take refuge, however I have already done so in my heart.
>>
>> I am learning to curb my sense of urgency as this is a path that will
>> take many lifetimes! I have been advised by a wise former nun to wait
>> for His Holiness to come back to North America and make a trip to his
>> teachings. If I am lucky he may be offering an empowerment or
>> initiation. I am very mindful that I should take initiations with
>> someone that will forever be my teacher, so must wait and choose wisely
>> who speaks to my heart. Any thoughts or guidance?
>> Metta
>>
>
>

#10850

From: SJ Garette <collies85@...>
Date: Sat Mar 7, 2009 3:28 pm
Subject: Vocation

collies85

Hi Everyone,

Our yoga-Dharma practice can be our vocation.  The word vocation originally
meant "to put your voice forth" into the world.  What a wonderful way to see our
practice.  To commit this to practice is to put forth our voice into the world,
to truly declare our values and our volition regarding how we relate to life
itself.  This is what is meant by our practice being our life.

(Frank Jude Boccio in Mindfulness Yoga)

Greetings,

Jade

#10851

From: ken <gebser@...>
Date: Sat Mar 7, 2009 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: Vocation

gebserisch

Steve,

Let me /add my voice/ (if for no other reason than to make my old Latin
teacher happy).  There's also a passive interpretation also stemming
from the Latin /vocare/, i.e., "to be called."

From
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=vocation&sourceid=Mozilla-search>:

  vocation
1426, "spiritual calling," from L. vocationem (nom. vocatio), lit. "a
calling," from vocatus "called," pp. of vocare "to call" (see voice).
Sense of "one's occupation or profession" is first attested 1553.

Significantly, the equivalent term in German is "Beruf", related to
"rufen", to call.

--
"To make an apple pie from scratch,
first create the universe."
         -- Carl Sagan

On 03/07/2009 10:28 AM SJ Garette wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Our yoga-Dharma practice can be our vocation. The word vocation
> originally meant "to put your voice forth" into the world. What a
> wonderful way to see our practice. To commit this to practice is to put
> forth our voice into the world, to truly declare our values and our
> volition regarding how we relate to life itself. This is what is meant
> by our practice being our life.
>
> (Frank Jude Boccio in Mindfulness Yoga)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Jade
>
>

#10852

From: "Dr. Milind Jiwane" <milindjiwane_buddha@...>
Date: Sun Mar 8, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Women's Day celebrated by Working Women Group of Nagpur (India) on March 8, 2009.

milindjiwane...

World Women Day celebrated by Working Women Group of Nagpur(India) on March 8, 2009.

Working Women Group of Nagpur (India) celebrated “ World Women Day” under leadership of Mrs. Ramatai Gadpayale at Swastik High School, Naya Nakasha, Nagpur on dated 8^th March 2009. On that occasion, following dignitaries were present.

Chairperson : Dr. Milind Jiwane ( Chairman of Civil Rights Protection Cell)

Chief Guests : Hon. Amar Ramteke ( Eminent Ambedkarite Drama Writer)

Hon. Hemant Khobragade ( Trustee of Swastik School)

Hon. Sudhir Patil (Ambedkarite Drama Director)

With Best Compliments From :

* Mrs. Ramatai Gadpayale ( Group Leader)

* Sanjeeawan Walde ( Adviser of Working Group)

* Ravikant Khobragade( President of Nava Vidharbh Sena)

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#10853

From: "Dr. Milind Jiwane" <milindjiwane_buddha@...>
Date: Sun Mar 8, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Free Medical Camp held on the eve of World Women Day on 8th March 2009 at Nagpur (India)

milindjiwane...

Free Medical Camp organized on the eve of World Women’s Day at Somkuwar Convent Nagpur (India) on March 8, 2009.

Somkuwar Convent of Sanjay Gandhi Nagar Nagpur (India) organized “ Free Medical Camp” on the eve of “ World Women’s Day “ on 8^th March 2009 at 10.30 AM. Under chairmanship of Dr. Milind Jiwane , Chaiman of civil Rights Protection Cell.On that occasion, lot of women were present fot taking the benefit.

With Best Compliments from :

Omprakash Somkuwar

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