He agreed with someone who said there wasn't.
You have to remember knowledge is different in different states of
consciousness. ;-)

On one level, there are no states or divisions. On another, there are. For
someone who is experiencing a process, what value is there in saying it doesn't
exist? Except perhaps to have them overcome their concepts.

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, carol olicker <iggysdaughter@...>
wrote:
>
> does anybody else know if M said something like there are no states, only
consciousness?
>
> --- On Wed, 10/26/11, David <dfbear@...> wrote:
>
> From: David <dfbear@...>
> Subject: [BatGap] Re: What happened to GC?
> To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2011, 4:24 PM
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>  
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>       He stopped talking about stages and just about BC after the mid-80's.
>
> I wouldn't say he rescinded, it just evolved, just as in adding GC and UC.
>
>
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, carol olicker <iggysdaughter@>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > didn't Maharishi kind of rescind that strict delineation of stages of
development of consciousness  in his later talks?
>
> >
>

From: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carol olicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:10 PM
To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BatGap] Re: What happened to GC?


does anybody else know if M said something like there are no states, only
consciousness?

Here's something Ramana Maharshi said: "There are no levels of awareness, but
there are levels of experience."

From: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carol olicker
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:05 AM
To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BatGap] Re: What happened to GC?


>mmm, that hits the spot

It's a mistake (as I see it) often made by neo-Advaita teachers. They speak from
an experience (or a mere understanding which they mistake for experience) of the
essential oneness of life, and ignoring the fact that different people are at
different levels of experience, offer their perspective as a universal
prescription (e.g., you shouldn't meditate because it only reinforces the notion
that there is someone "doing" meditation). I would encourage them to apply that
same prescription to their own habit of eating.

--- On Thu, 10/27/11, Rick Archer <rick@...> wrote:

From: Rick Archer <rick@...>
Subject: RE: [BatGap] Re: What happened to GC?
To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 11:01 AM

From: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carol olicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:10 PM
To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BatGap] Re: What happened to GC?

does anybody else know if M said something like there are no states, only
consciousness?

Here's something Ramana Maharshi said: "There are no levels of awareness, but
there are levels of experience."

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Right. The reality of the path is not the reality of the goal. I'd forgotten
about this talk. I was thinking of another when someone said the whole story of
states is an illusion and he said yes, yes.

But if you don't yet recognize the goal, the understanding of the path is still
important. The understanding of the unfoldment, how Chhandas falls away and how
one might experience it. This brings clarity and removes doubt, facilitating a
faster unfoldment. Introduce the knowledge of the path at the right moment and
its amazing what can happen. Or hear it in a new way...

There are also a lot of teachers who talk of one waking, even confusing it with
advaita. Thats the "street" where its very important.

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, carol olicker <iggysdaughter@...>
wrote:
>
> from  maharishi's address on Victory Day in 1993
> (thanks to Dirk who forwarded the whole talk)
>
> We have been talking of seven states of consciousness. We have been
> counting "one, two, three, four, five, six, seven". And what we find
> today?
> Not states of consciousness, but one consciousness. Due to
> one's . . . due to one's what? . . . thickness of chhandas, the hiding
> element. It can predominate and it's hidden - the performance of devata,
>  to hide the rishi. But now, so many millions in the world piercing
> through the chhandas, transcending all levels of different expressions
> of the speech and getting onto that unified wholeness of pure awakening
> in transcendental consciousness - piercing through the levels of
> ignorance,
>  and experiencing over and over again, many times morning and evening.
> And so many floating on that level, making the awareness more familiar
> with its essential nature, making the awareness familiar with its own
> nature, floating in the sea of consciousness during morning and evening
> programs, siddhi programs.
>
> And now, no more seven states of
> consciousness. For the teaching on the street, yes. But for one's own
> vision, for one's own status, for one's own breath (it's that softest
> breath which is no more localized). All the localized values are the
> Reality of that one Self-referral state of consciousness. I would
> emphasize on one thing - it's not the transformation - it's not the
> transformation - but it's in the recognition of this eternal state of . .
>  . eternal state that has never been transformed. Transformation we have
>  been talking about in order to understand. But now today it's not a
> matter of transformation, it's not a matter of transformation, it's a
> matter of . . . what we can call this, we want a name for it is . . .
> we'll call it "stress", the stress, or "layers of maya", what those
> layers of maya . . . the expression is "mamaya", "my maya", Purusha's
> Prakriti, dynamism's Prakriti, eternal silence eternally one with the
> dynamism (Purusha). The two aspects . . . like this the three aspects,
> chhandas, devata, rishi - and unified state, one samhita. All this
> rigmarole of the three, one and three, and three into innumerable
> expanded values of constituting the whole universe - all these values
> have been just to understand and remind to the intellect again and again
>  that the three are one, it's called unified state, and all those
> things. All those values are no more valid.
>
> The situation is that every step of the path . . . reality of the path is
> not
>  the reality of the goal. You go on the path, and you go on the path,
> and you have so many things, and you recognize with so many things, and
> all that, all that. But when you come home, the path has been
> transcended, and the Reality of home cannot be talked about in terms of
> the path. Steps of the path are over, and the goal of the path shines as
>  one Reality. And remaining at home, you see that all those paths were
> actually a misnomer. Those are not real. Like that, analyzing all
> diversity, and getting into the finer and finer layers of unfoldment,
> and eventually coming on to the Self-referral, and discovering there the
>  unified state of the rishi, devata,
> and chhandas, and understanding
> that thing in terms of one's Self â€" an awakening: and all that I thought
>  was transformation is not real
> transformation. The fact is that I am
>  all that has been there, and I am all that will always be there, there
> is no other reality except my Self. And this is victory over all layers
> of ignorance. Even the finest layer of the cloud disappears.
>
> So
> this unfoldment of the structure of Veda constructing the structure of
> human physiology is a great revelation. One could see Veda, one could
> touch Veda, one could measure Veda, and we . . . always unmanifest â€"
> pure awakening. So now enlightenment will be on the ground of the
> physical. All those great intellectual manipulations of the wise
> throughout the ages about the ultimate Reality will now be studied on
> Earth in terms of physiology.
>
> All that was thought to be a
> philosophical gesture, and philosophers were thought to be non-practical
>  people. You know what the world did to Socrates and Plato? Modern
> custodians of public life, public leaders, they're all held up in such a
>  cocoon of intense mirage. But that is what is their world. That is what
>  is their world.
>
> What I'm trying to convey is - difference
> between the two states. One state is: on the path you're traveling. The
> other is: you are stationed at home.
> Two realities. A comparison with
>  something that you already know â€" snake and string. The string appears
> to be snake. Is that a transformation? No.
> The string is never the
> snake. And when the snake disappears only string is seen - then it's not
>  transformation of snake into string. It's not a principle of
> transformation, it's a principle of Dr. Doug Henning - magic.
> There is something, but it appears to be something else. Something
> appearing
>  as something else. The Veda and Vedic literature appearing as human
> physiology. Just this is that thing. It's not transformation, it's not
> transformation that the milk has been transformed to yogurt. Milk has
> not become yogurt. The string has not become snake. But somehow this
> transformation seems to be connecting the two states. But it's not a
> principle of transformation. In Sanskrit it's called not [Sanskrit] but
> it is [Sanskrit]. "It appears to be", not "it gets transformed into".
>
> So all that we have been talking to the people, trying to bring
> enlightenment
>  to the people by explaining to them and by putting them on the path to
> develop higher states of consciousness in terms of seven states of
> consciousness - that was to purify the intellect to ultimately realize
> that unity is all that there is. Pure knowledge, Veda, pure awakening,
> properly  structured pure awakening is all that there is. This is
> ultimate victory over ultimate layer of ignorance. It's huge, it's
> enormous, pure abstraction - we call it [Sanskrit]. That came out to be
> the eternal Reality, and upon that we have behaving and doing. It came
> out to be nothing. The words are [Sanskrit] (there is absolutely nothing
>  and nothing there - except my Self). Aham brahmasmi. More and more we
> have been talking about "aham brahmasmi". Tat tvam asi (That thou art).
> Sarvam
> kalvidam brahma. [Sanskrit] (all this is totality, Brahman, Self-referral,
> I). You know "I" is never written small - always big. Except when it is
> mixed
>  up with others. Then it is always small. But unmixed - always big. This
>  is individual ego and cosmic Ego, like that, like that.
>
> So the
> unfoldment of the total, infinite, unbounded, unmanifest Reality â€" we
> call it "Veda", we call it "Self-referral consciousness", "the unified
> value of infinite silence and diversity", "field of all possibilities",
> "field of all possibilities". That is the Victory Day, today, we are
> celebrating. I can safely say the victory of the ultimate Reality over
> all the realities. Victory.
>
> I want to hear once again that
> Bagambrani sukta of Rig Veda - "I am this, & I am this . . ."
> Everyone is familiar with it, but we want to enjoy today in this
> atmosphere of celebrating the victory of the ultimate knowledge over all
>  the trivialities of the streams of knowledge. Let us hear from Pundit
> [name]. [Vedic chanting for a few minutes].
>
> This is the voice of the Self-referral consciousness. . .
>
> [Jai Guru Dev]
>

Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to unresolved
feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or other rough
deaths.

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@...> wrote:
>
> Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow, Oh
wow, Oh wow!!!!
>

Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in and look
around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to
unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or
other rough deaths.
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow, Oh
wow, Oh wow!!!!
> >
>

Yeah. Near Death experiences are just that - near. The approach. Have never seen
a one who went through the door and came back. Though a few who remember it.

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in and look
around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to
unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or
other rough deaths.
> >
> > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow,
Oh wow, Oh wow!!!!
> > >
> >
>

the body ends obviously

something cant come from nothing, therefore reality as a whole has to have
always been here, eternally.

but what am i? the conscious mind asks...

and what is reality? the conscious mind asks...

maybe minds source is not body beacuse flesh cant think consciously.

maybe minds source is consciousness

and maybe reality is not material but one giant consciousness

making me the eternal reality... woot

check out david chalmers on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9lT8Vc8kk












--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah. Near Death experiences are just that - near. The approach. Have never
seen a one who went through the door and came back. Though a few who remember
it.
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@> wrote:
> >
> > Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in and look
around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.
> >
> > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to
unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or
other rough deaths.
> > >
> > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow,
Oh wow, Oh wow!!!!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Recognizing we are that which is aware, then as if becoming awareness are key
steps in unfolding. But we should not forget we are still more than that. We are
That from which consciousness arises. But as That has no qualities, it cannot be
described. But it can be recognized.

Although consciousness is the source and container of all things, we should not
settle for knowing we are that awareness. For our true nature is greater even
than that.  ;-)

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "hopehurteau" <hopehurteau@...>
wrote:
>
> the body ends obviously
>
> something cant come from nothing, therefore reality as a whole has to have
always been here, eternally.
>
> but what am i? the conscious mind asks...
>
> and what is reality? the conscious mind asks...
>
> maybe minds source is not body beacuse flesh cant think consciously.
>
> maybe minds source is consciousness
>
> and maybe reality is not material but one giant consciousness
>
> making me the eternal reality... woot
>
> check out david chalmers on youtube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9lT8Vc8kk
>
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. Near Death experiences are just that - near. The approach. Have never
seen a one who went through the door and came back. Though a few who remember
it.
> >
> > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in and
look around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.
> > >
> > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to
unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or
other rough deaths.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh
wow, Oh wow, Oh wow!!!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

sounds good guys, but be careful of a few things, potential traps...

-using your mind to imagine something beyond consciousness. because really that
would just be another mind structure within consciousness. another trick of the
mind. mind focusing on its own projections again thinking it has gone beyond
itself. the dimension your talking about i usually call the formless absolute
consciousness. the eternal spiritual essence behind all forms. the godhead. the
trancendental awareness. haha. i do love my concepts! but i love going beyond
them even more. :-)

-another potential trap is when the remaining ego gets us into a covert
competition over who can explain enlightenment better or who has had a better
experience/realization. we are all the one god no matter how realized someone
is! an enlightened master is no closer to god then anyone else, because its all
god, there intuition is simply in a more surrendered state, giving them more
bliss. so enlightenment doesnt make any fundamental change to ultimate reality.
god is omnipresent, eternal, unchanging.


pce




--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, carol olicker <iggysdaughter@...>
wrote:
>
> that exactly describes my one Number 1 expereince in the dome where I was
flooded by waves of well being, happiness, joy  so powerful and large they were
too big for my body to contain and my awareness rode them, bursting the
boundaries of my body and along with the waves appeared a total silence and
stillness mutually co-existing with the waves,  and the knowledge came "I am
not the stillness or the dynamism but That from which they both emerge and to
which they both return" As you say, there were no qualities to it, nothing to
describe about it I can't define it in any way, , just that knowingness, and
after that, I just knew that Everything is All Right.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/2/11, David <dfbear@...> wrote:
>
> From: David <dfbear@...>
> Subject: [BatGap] Re: Steve Jobs' Last Words
> To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 1:07 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Recognizing we are that which is aware, then as if becoming awareness
are key steps in unfolding. But we should not forget we are still more than
that. We are That from which consciousness arises. But as That has no qualities,
it cannot be described. But it can be recognized.
>
>
>
> Although consciousness is the source and container of all things, we should
not settle for knowing we are that awareness. For our true nature is greater
even than that.  ;-)
>
>
>
> --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "hopehurteau" <hopehurteau@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > the body ends obviously
>
> >
>
> > something cant come from nothing, therefore reality as a whole has to have
always been here, eternally.
>
> >
>
> > but what am i? the conscious mind asks...
>
> >
>
> > and what is reality? the conscious mind asks...
>
> >
>
> > maybe minds source is not body beacuse flesh cant think consciously.
>
> >
>
> > maybe minds source is consciousness
>
> >
>
> > and maybe reality is not material but one giant consciousness
>
> >
>
> > making me the eternal reality... woot
>
> >
>
> > check out david chalmers on youtube.
>
> >
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo
>
> >
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9lT8Vc8kk
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Yeah. Near Death experiences are just that - near. The approach. Have
never seen a one who went through the door and came back. Though a few who
remember it.
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in and
look around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an unknown, to
unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual memories of violent or
other rough deaths.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@>
wrote:
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh
wow, Oh wow, Oh wow!!!!
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

Now that had to have been a strange one. "Ordinary awakened people"?

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@...> wrote:

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well be careful though, because there is three positions the one in the middle
is correct, the two on the outside are errors.

1-nothing is god until it becomes awakened

2-everything is god but not everything is awakened

3-everything is god and everythnig is awakened

i would say awakening/awakened pertains to the amount of real experiential
trancendental surrendered realization of the fact and evidence that everything
is god.

and afterwards nothing metaphysical has changed excpet maybe a pattern or flow
of god. creating a pragmantic improvement of bliss. but no actual substance has
changed. its all still god the way its always been.

god waking up to himself.



--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <Angela10008@...>
wrote:
>
> Yup, and that includes dogs and cats--even amoebas.  And I've known an
> awakened rock or two as well.
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:20 AM, hopehurteau <hopehurteau@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > sounds good guys, but be careful of a few things, potential traps...
> >
> > -using your mind to imagine something beyond consciousness. because really
> > that would just be another mind structure within consciousness. another
> > trick of the mind. mind focusing on its own projections again thinking it
> > has gone beyond itself. the dimension your talking about i usually call the
> > formless absolute consciousness. the eternal spiritual essence behind all
> > forms. the godhead. the trancendental awareness. haha. i do love my
> > concepts! but i love going beyond them even more. :-)
> >
> > -another potential trap is when the remaining ego gets us into a covert
> > competition over who can explain enlightenment better or who has had a
> > better experience/realization. we are all the one god no matter how
> > realized someone is! an enlightened master is no closer to god then anyone
> > else, because its all god, there intuition is simply in a more surrendered
> > state, giving them more bliss. so enlightenment doesnt make any fundamental
> > change to ultimate reality. god is omnipresent, eternal, unchanging.
> >
> > pce
> >
> > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, carol olicker <iggysdaughter@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > that exactly describes my one Number 1 expereince in the dome where I
> > was flooded by waves of well being, happiness, joy  so powerful and large
> > they were too big for my body to contain and my awareness rode them,
> > bursting the boundaries of my body and along with the waves appeared a
> > total silence and stillness mutually co-existing with the waves,  and the
> > knowledge came "I am not the stillness or the dynamism but That from which
> > they both emerge and to which they both return" As you say, there were no
> > qualities to it, nothing to describe about it I can't define it in any way,
> > , just that knowingness, and after that, I just knew that Everything is All
> > Right.
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/2/11, David <dfbear@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: David <dfbear@>
> > > Subject: [BatGap] Re: Steve Jobs' Last Words
> > > To: BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 1:07 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Recognizing we are that which is aware, then as if becoming awareness
> > are key steps in unfolding. But we should not forget we are still more than
> > that. We are That from which consciousness arises. But as That has no
> > qualities, it cannot be described. But it can be recognized.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Although consciousness is the source and container of all things, we
> > should not settle for knowing we are that awareness. For our true nature is
> > greater even than that. ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "hopehurteau" <hopehurteau@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > the body ends obviously
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > something cant come from nothing, therefore reality as a whole has to
> > have always been here, eternally.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > but what am i? the conscious mind asks...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > and what is reality? the conscious mind asks...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > maybe minds source is not body beacuse flesh cant think consciously.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > maybe minds source is consciousness
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > and maybe reality is not material but one giant consciousness
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > making me the eternal reality... woot
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > check out david chalmers on youtube.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9lT8Vc8kk
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Yeah. Near Death experiences are just that - near. The approach.
> > Have never seen a one who went through the door and came back. Though a few
> > who remember it.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Also that it is a one way door. Its not like we can reliably go in
> > and look around. When we go, the door slams behind us and there we are.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfbear@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, I figure the fear of death is due to it's being an
> > unknown, to unresolved feelings of regret or guilt, and/or residual
> > memories of violent or other rough deaths.
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > --- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his
> > sister:: Oh wow, Oh wow, Oh wow!!!!
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
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>

I would be careful about saying one perspective is correct and another is an
error. While one perceptive might be considered "more" correct, it would be an
error to consider the truth of what one is living now to be false. Denying one's
truth is the essence of ignorance.

Your third choice is a very real experience for some people, including some
great sages.

All of these are mental constructs which you yourself have explained are false
and not the highest truth. We could say truth is of the mind so can never be
absolute.  ;-)

--- In BuddhaAtTheGasPump@yahoogroups.com, "hopehurteau" <hopehurteau@...>
wrote:
>
>
> well be careful though, because there is three positions the one in the middle
is correct, the two on the outside are errors.
>
> 1-nothing is god until it becomes awakened
>
> 2-everything is god but not everything is awakened
>
> 3-everything is god and everythnig is awakened
>
> i would say awakening/awakened pertains to the amount of real experiential
trancendental surrendered realization of the fact and evidence that everything
is god.
>
> and afterwards nothing metaphysical has changed excpet maybe a pattern or flow
of god. creating a pragmantic improvement of bliss. but no actual substance has
changed. its all still god the way its always been.
>
> god waking up to himself.
>
>
>