Called it off, low clouds. Hoping for good weather this weekend, some
northern airports are closing end of Oct.

C.

iPhone

On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:05 AM, "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette@...> wrote:

> So how'd the flights go, Carsten?
> brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cschanche
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:06 PM
> To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] Re: NH-24 update
>
> Hello Aviators,
>
> A handful of you have communicated that you will be joining tomorrow
> Sunday,
> that's great! There are always some that decide last minute when
> weather is
> better known, so there could be around 10 - 12 that will be doing
> the NH-24
> challenge in 2009. This could be fun!!
>
> The latest TAF for KMHT calls for:
> FM 041200 (8am) 01002KT 4SM BR BKN015
> FM 041400 (10am) 00000KT P6SM SCT250
>
> The mist, and low ceiling and visibility at 8am bothers me, but at
> 10am
> clouds should be gone and visibility is good. It looks very fly-able
> at
> 10am. How about we push it out two hours, and plan to meet at
> Laconia 11
> a.m.
>
> With all the rain lately, I suggest we stay with hard surface
> runways. For
> that reason, let's do the southern loop, except skip Plymouth and go
> Laconia
> - direct Newfound Valley - Parlin, etc. We can do Plymouth as part
> of the
> northern loop.
>
> If there are any changes, then I will announce them in a message on
> phone
> 603-434-4110 tomorrow morning at 8:00 am after I have checked the
> TAF's
> again.
>
> Carsten
>
> --- In BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com, "cschanche"
> <chschanche@...> wrote:
> >
> > Everybody,
> >
> > The NH-24 event is still on, but I'm keeping an eye on the weather.
> >
> > With that in mind, I suggest the following procedure for the event:
> > - Starting point will be Laconia, regardless of routes. Meet at 9
> am,
> departure around 9:30 for the event.
> > - If weather is excellent and wind and ceiling permit crossin the
> White
> Mountains safely and in relaive comfort Sunday morning, then we
> attack the
> northern airports in the following routes: Laconia -Moultonboro -
> Gorham -
> Berlin - Errol - Gifford - Mt Washington - Twin Mountain - Franconia
> - Dean
> Memorial - Lebanon.
> > - If weather is overcast with ceilings that prevent crossing the
> mountains, but safely permits flying to airports south of there, and
> winds
> are not gusty, then we consider the following other airports:
> Laconia -
> Plymouth - Newfound Valley - Parlin - Claremont - Hawthorne - Keene -
> Jaffrey - Nashua - Manchester - Concord - Hampton - Portsmouth -
> Skyhaven.
> > - If the weather is not safely flyable, then we postpone until some
> > other weekend. (My scud-running days are over.)
> > - Air-to-air frequencies when not on Unicom/Tower frequencies will
> be
> 122.85 (primary) or 122.75 (secondary).
> >
> > I'd like to cap the event off in some fashion, like we all meet at
> the
> last airport and hand out the patches and have a group picture that
> we can
> post somewhere. For that reason I chose the last airports to be the
> slightly
> larger ones (Skyhaven or Lebanon).
> >
> > Anybody got any good ideas?
> >
> > I will publish the go/no-go weather decission by Saturday 5 p.m. via
> email, or call my phone 603-434-4110 for the message.
> >
> > One thing: Study NOTAMs please. Last year I made the mistake of
> relying on
> the charts for comm frequencies, turns out Gorham (if I remember
> right) for
> some reason sometimes temporarily changes frequencies, I got caught
> up in
> that. My mistake.
> >
> > I think this could be fun.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Carsten
> >
>
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So how'd the flights go, Carsten?
brian

-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cschanche
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:06 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] Re: NH-24 update

Hello Aviators,

A handful of you have communicated that you will be joining tomorrow Sunday,
that's great! There are always some that decide last minute when weather is
better known, so there could be around 10 - 12 that will be doing the NH-24
challenge in 2009. This could be fun!!

The latest TAF for KMHT calls for:
FM 041200 (8am) 01002KT 4SM BR BKN015
FM 041400 (10am) 00000KT P6SM SCT250

The mist, and low ceiling and visibility at 8am bothers me, but at 10am
clouds should be gone and visibility is good. It looks very fly-able at
10am. How about we push it out two hours, and plan to meet at Laconia 11
a.m.

With all the rain lately, I suggest we stay with hard surface runways. For
that reason, let's do the southern loop, except skip Plymouth and go Laconia
- direct Newfound Valley - Parlin, etc. We can do Plymouth as part of the
northern loop.

If there are any changes, then I will announce them in a message on phone
603-434-4110 tomorrow morning at 8:00 am after I have checked the TAF's
again.

Carsten



--- In BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com, "cschanche" <chschanche@...> wrote:
>
> Everybody,
>
> The NH-24 event is still on, but I'm keeping an eye on the weather.
>
> With that in mind, I suggest the following procedure for the event:
> - Starting point will be Laconia, regardless of routes. Meet at 9 am,
departure around 9:30 for the event.
> - If weather is excellent and wind and ceiling permit crossin the White
Mountains safely and in relaive comfort Sunday morning, then we attack the
northern airports in the following routes: Laconia -Moultonboro - Gorham -
Berlin - Errol - Gifford - Mt Washington - Twin Mountain - Franconia - Dean
Memorial - Lebanon.
> - If weather is overcast with ceilings that prevent crossing the
mountains, but safely permits flying to airports south of there, and winds
are not gusty, then we consider the following other airports: Laconia -
Plymouth - Newfound Valley - Parlin - Claremont - Hawthorne - Keene -
Jaffrey - Nashua - Manchester - Concord - Hampton - Portsmouth - Skyhaven.
> - If the weather is not safely flyable, then we postpone until some
> other weekend. (My scud-running days are over.)
> - Air-to-air frequencies when not on Unicom/Tower frequencies will be
122.85 (primary) or 122.75 (secondary).
>
> I'd like to cap the event off in some fashion, like we all meet at the
last airport and hand out the patches and have a group picture that we can
post somewhere. For that reason I chose the last airports to be the slightly
larger ones (Skyhaven or Lebanon).
>
> Anybody got any good ideas?
>
> I will publish the go/no-go weather decission by Saturday 5 p.m. via
email, or call my phone 603-434-4110 for the message.
>
> One thing: Study NOTAMs please. Last year I made the mistake of relying on
the charts for comm frequencies, turns out Gorham (if I remember right) for
some reason sometimes temporarily changes frequencies, I got caught up in
that. My mistake.
>
> I think this could be fun.
>
> Yours,
> Carsten
>




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Hello Aviators,

A handful of you have communicated that you will be joining tomorrow Sunday,
that's great! There are always some that decide last minute when weather is
better known, so there could be around 10 - 12 that will be doing the NH-24
challenge in 2009. This could be fun!!

The latest TAF for KMHT calls for:
FM 041200 (8am) 01002KT 4SM BR BKN015
FM 041400 (10am) 00000KT P6SM SCT250

The mist, and low ceiling and visibility at 8am bothers me, but at 10am clouds
should be gone and visibility is good. It looks very fly-able at 10am. How about
we push it out two hours, and plan to meet at Laconia 11 a.m.

With all the rain lately, I suggest we stay with hard surface runways. For that
reason, let's do the southern loop, except skip Plymouth and go Laconia - direct
Newfound Valley - Parlin, etc. We can do Plymouth as part of the northern loop.

If there are any changes, then I will announce them in a message on phone
603-434-4110 tomorrow morning at 8:00 am after I have checked the TAF's again.

Carsten



--- In BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com, "cschanche" <chschanche@...> wrote:
>
> Everybody,
>
> The NH-24 event is still on, but I'm keeping an eye on the weather.
>
> With that in mind, I suggest the following procedure for the event:
> - Starting point will be Laconia, regardless of routes. Meet at 9 am,
departure around 9:30 for the event.
> - If weather is excellent and wind and ceiling permit crossin the White
Mountains safely and in relaive comfort Sunday morning, then we attack the
northern airports in the following routes: Laconia -Moultonboro - Gorham -
Berlin - Errol - Gifford - Mt Washington - Twin Mountain - Franconia - Dean
Memorial - Lebanon.
> - If weather is overcast with ceilings that prevent crossing the mountains,
but safely permits flying to airports south of there, and winds are not gusty,
then we consider the following other airports: Laconia - Plymouth - Newfound
Valley - Parlin - Claremont - Hawthorne - Keene - Jaffrey - Nashua - Manchester
- Concord - Hampton - Portsmouth - Skyhaven.
> - If the weather is not safely flyable, then we postpone until some other
weekend. (My scud-running days are over.)
> - Air-to-air frequencies when not on Unicom/Tower frequencies will be 122.85
(primary) or 122.75 (secondary).
>
> I'd like to cap the event off in some fashion, like we all meet at the last
airport and hand out the patches and have a group picture that we can post
somewhere. For that reason I chose the last airports to be the slightly larger
ones (Skyhaven or Lebanon).
>
> Anybody got any good ideas?
>
> I will publish the go/no-go weather decission by Saturday 5 p.m. via email, or
call my phone 603-434-4110 for the message.
>
> One thing: Study NOTAMs please. Last year I made the mistake of relying on the
charts for comm frequencies, turns out Gorham (if I remember right) for some
reason sometimes temporarily changes frequencies, I got caught up in that. My
mistake.
>
> I think this could be fun.
>
> Yours,
> Carsten
>

Everybody,

The NH-24 event is still on, but I'm keeping an eye on the weather.

With that in mind, I suggest the following procedure for the event:
- Starting point will be Laconia, regardless of routes. Meet at 9 am, departure
around 9:30 for the event.
- If weather is excellent and wind and ceiling permit crossin the White
Mountains safely and in relaive comfort Sunday morning, then we attack the
northern airports in the following routes: Laconia -Moultonboro - Gorham -
Berlin - Errol - Gifford - Mt Washington - Twin Mountain - Franconia - Dean
Memorial - Lebanon.
- If weather is overcast with ceilings that prevent crossing the mountains, but
safely permits flying to airports south of there, and winds are not gusty, then
we consider the following other airports: Laconia - Plymouth - Newfound Valley -
Parlin - Claremont - Hawthorne - Keene - Jaffrey - Nashua - Manchester - Concord
- Hampton - Portsmouth - Skyhaven.
- If the weather is not safely flyable, then we postpone until some other
weekend. (My scud-running days are over.)
- Air-to-air frequencies when not on Unicom/Tower frequencies will be 122.85
(primary) or 122.75 (secondary).

I'd like to cap the event off in some fashion, like we all meet at the last
airport and hand out the patches and have a group picture that we can post
somewhere. For that reason I chose the last airports to be the slightly larger
ones (Skyhaven or Lebanon).

Anybody got any good ideas?

I will publish the go/no-go weather decission by Saturday 5 p.m. via email, or
call my phone 603-434-4110 for the message.

One thing: Study NOTAMs please. Last year I made the mistake of relying on the
charts for comm frequencies, turns out Gorham (if I remember right) for some
reason sometimes temporarily changes frequencies, I got caught up in that. My
mistake.

I think this could be fun.

Yours,
Carsten

Hi Penny (and everyone else on frequency),

Yes, please broadcast. I am sending out an email to the AANH
membership about it also.

Started up the engine recently. It's mounted on the fuse in my garage.
For those who don't remember, it's a liquid cooled Subaru conversion.
After a rough start (literally. Lots of coughing and sputtering) and
finding out I had forgotten to attach the manifold vacuum hose (duh!)
it's running OK. Starting cowl-fitting, on schedule for moving to an
airport early winter for final assembly and hopefully first flight
summer 2010.

Carsten

iPhone

On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:06 PM, "PABowman" <PABowman@...> wrote:

> Carsten --
>
> Great idea. I'm glad to see you've still got AANH working to help NH
> airports!
>
> Would you like me to send this to the EAA106 members & prospective
> members?
> (over 200, but not all have planes ...)
>
> btw -- How's your RV-7A coming along?
>
> Penny Bowman
> President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106 www.EAA106.org
> EAA106.Penny@...
> cell: 508-284-5592
> home: 978-887-3242
> Co-Builder & Test Pilot - RotorWay Exec - Now in Upgrade
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of cschanche
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:09 PM
> To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] NH 24
>
> New Hampshire has twenty four public-use airports. AANH has created a
> program called "NH 24" as an incentive for pilots to use their
> planes, and
> to discover new airports that they otherwise wouldn't have a reason
> to fly
> to. All pilots (and copilots) who lands at all those twenty four
> airports in
> one calender year will receive a free badge to symbolize their
> acchievement.
> Touch-and go's are of-course fine, missed approaches from short
> final are
> fine too if the pilot deems runway length, condition etc prevents a
> contact
> landing. The badge is a cloth approx 3.5" dia circle with an
> propeller, the
> outline of the state, and the number "24" embroydered on it. If
> anyone is
> interested I can provide a photo of it.
>
> Rather than doing this on an individual basis, I think it could be
> fun to do
> it as a group. We were thinking that if we met at Laconia (LCI) on
> Sunday
> morning 8:30 am Oct 4th (weather permitting), we could do approx 10
> airports
> in the north country and enjoy the foliage up north. The first one
> into an
> airport would radio back about conditions etc..
>
> Then one of the following weekends do some of the southern, and
> might have
> them all done in a couple of rounds. It can be done, last year Joe
> and I did
> 22 airports in one day. By the way, one guy wrote me he is
> attempting it in
> an ultralight!!!
>
> Rather than a straight-line flight for a simple $100 hamburger, here's
> something different. New airports, some simple navigation, a little
> bit of a
> challenge and a free tangible reward for the accomplishment,
> something you
> can look back at at the end of the year with pride.
>
> Anyone interested? Have any questions? Either post your questions/
> comments
> here, or call me at 603-434-4110 and leave a message. It would be
> good to
> know the turn-out, since I plan to spring for coffee and donuts at
> Laconia
> at 8:30. The departure should be around 9 - 9:30 for the first leg
> of the
> '24'.
>
> Carsten
> AANH Pres.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carsten --

Great idea.  I'm glad to see you've still got AANH working to help NH
airports!

Would you like me to send this to the EAA106 members & prospective members?
(over 200, but not all have planes ...)

btw -- How's your RV-7A coming along?

Penny Bowman
President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106  www.EAA106.org
EAA106.Penny@...
cell:     508-284-5592
home:  978-887-3242
Co-Builder & Test Pilot - RotorWay Exec - Now in Upgrade


-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of cschanche
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:09 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] NH 24


   New Hampshire has twenty four public-use airports. AANH has created a
program called "NH 24" as an incentive for pilots to use their planes, and
to discover new airports that they otherwise wouldn't have a reason to fly
to. All pilots (and copilots) who lands at all those twenty four airports in
one calender year will receive a free badge to symbolize their acchievement.
Touch-and go's are of-course fine, missed approaches from short final are
fine too if the pilot deems runway length, condition etc prevents a contact
landing. The badge is a cloth approx 3.5" dia circle with an propeller, the
outline of the state, and the number "24" embroydered on it. If anyone is
interested I can provide a photo of it.

Rather than doing this on an individual basis, I think it could be fun to do
it as a group. We were thinking that if we met at Laconia (LCI) on Sunday
morning 8:30 am Oct 4th (weather permitting), we could do approx 10 airports
in the north country and enjoy the foliage up north. The first one into an
airport would radio back about conditions etc..

Then one of the following weekends do some of the southern, and might have
them all done in a couple of rounds. It can be done, last year Joe and I did
22 airports in one day. By the way, one guy wrote me he is attempting it in
an ultralight!!!

Rather than a straight-line flight for a simple $100 hamburger, here's
something different. New airports, some simple navigation, a little bit of a
challenge and a free tangible reward for the accomplishment, something you
can look back at at the end of the year with pride.

Anyone interested? Have any questions? Either post your questions/comments
here, or call me at 603-434-4110 and leave a message. It would be good to
know the turn-out, since I plan to spring for coffee and donuts at Laconia
at 8:30. The departure should be around 9 - 9:30 for the first leg of the
'24'.

Carsten
AANH Pres.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Open to anyone!

Carsten

iPhone

On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:39 PM, "Tom Muller " <tommuller@...>
wrote:

> Carsten:
>
> Open to non AANH pilots? We are doing a Young Eagles on the 3rd, so my
> avgas budget for that week is already committed, but I might like to
> do the
> program later.
>
> Tom Muller
>
> 120 Spring Water Road
>
> Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303
>
> Cell 207-212-9184
>
> _____
>
> From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cschanche
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:09 PM
> To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] NH 24
>
> New Hampshire has twenty four public-use airports. AANH has created a
> program called "NH 24" as an incentive for pilots to use their
> planes, and
> to discover new airports that they otherwise wouldn't have a reason
> to fly
> to. All pilots (and copilots) who lands at all those twenty four
> airports in
> one calender year will receive a free badge to symbolize their
> acchievement.
> Touch-and go's are of-course fine, missed approaches from short
> final are
> fine too if the pilot deems runway length, condition etc prevents a
> contact
> landing. The badge is a cloth approx 3.5" dia circle with an
> propeller, the
> outline of the state, and the number "24" embroydered on it. If
> anyone is
> interested I can provide a photo of it.
>
> Rather than doing this on an individual basis, I think it could be
> fun to do
> it as a group. We were thinking that if we met at Laconia (LCI) on
> Sunday
> morning 8:30 am Oct 4th (weather permitting), we could do approx 10
> airports
> in the north country and enjoy the foliage up north. The first one
> into an
> airport would radio back about conditions etc..
>
> Then one of the following weekends do some of the southern, and
> might have
> them all done in a couple of rounds. It can be done, last year Joe
> and I did
> 22 airports in one day. By the way, one guy wrote me he is
> attempting it in
> an ultralight!!!
>
> Rather than a straight-line flight for a simple $100 hamburger, here's
> something different. New airports, some simple navigation, a little
> bit of a
> challenge and a free tangible reward for the accomplishment,
> something you
> can look back at at the end of the year with pride.
>
> Anyone interested? Have any questions? Either post your questions/
> comments
> here, or call me at 603-434-4110 and leave a message. It would be
> good to
> know the turn-out, since I plan to spring for coffee and donuts at
> Laconia
> at 8:30. The departure should be around 9 - 9:30 for the first leg
> of the
> '24'.
>
> Carsten
> AANH Pres.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carsten:



Open to non AANH pilots?  We are doing a Young Eagles on the 3rd, so my
avgas budget for that week is already committed, but I might like to do the
program later.



Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell    207-212-9184

   _____

From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cschanche
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:09 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] NH 24





New Hampshire has twenty four public-use airports. AANH has created a
program called "NH 24" as an incentive for pilots to use their planes, and
to discover new airports that they otherwise wouldn't have a reason to fly
to. All pilots (and copilots) who lands at all those twenty four airports in
one calender year will receive a free badge to symbolize their acchievement.
Touch-and go's are of-course fine, missed approaches from short final are
fine too if the pilot deems runway length, condition etc prevents a contact
landing. The badge is a cloth approx 3.5" dia circle with an propeller, the
outline of the state, and the number "24" embroydered on it. If anyone is
interested I can provide a photo of it.

Rather than doing this on an individual basis, I think it could be fun to do
it as a group. We were thinking that if we met at Laconia (LCI) on Sunday
morning 8:30 am Oct 4th (weather permitting), we could do approx 10 airports
in the north country and enjoy the foliage up north. The first one into an
airport would radio back about conditions etc..

Then one of the following weekends do some of the southern, and might have
them all done in a couple of rounds. It can be done, last year Joe and I did
22 airports in one day. By the way, one guy wrote me he is attempting it in
an ultralight!!!

Rather than a straight-line flight for a simple $100 hamburger, here's
something different. New airports, some simple navigation, a little bit of a
challenge and a free tangible reward for the accomplishment, something you
can look back at at the end of the year with pride.

Anyone interested? Have any questions? Either post your questions/comments
here, or call me at 603-434-4110 and leave a message. It would be good to
know the turn-out, since I plan to spring for coffee and donuts at Laconia
at 8:30. The departure should be around 9 - 9:30 for the first leg of the
'24'.

Carsten
AANH Pres.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

New Hampshire has twenty four public-use airports. AANH has created a program
called "NH 24" as an incentive for pilots to use their planes, and to discover
new airports that they otherwise wouldn't have a reason to fly to. All pilots
(and copilots) who lands at all those twenty four airports in one calender year
will receive a free badge to symbolize their acchievement. Touch-and go's are
of-course fine, missed approaches from short final are fine too if the pilot
deems runway length, condition etc prevents a contact landing. The badge is a
cloth approx 3.5" dia circle with an propeller, the outline of the state, and
the number "24" embroydered on it. If anyone is interested I can provide a photo
of it.

Rather than doing this on an individual basis, I think it could be fun to do it
as a group. We were thinking that if we met at Laconia (LCI) on Sunday morning
8:30 am Oct 4th (weather permitting), we could do approx 10 airports in the
north country and enjoy the foliage up north. The first one into an airport
would radio back about conditions etc..

Then one of the following weekends do some of the southern, and might have them
all done in a couple of rounds. It can be done, last year Joe and I did 22
airports in one day. By the way, one guy wrote me he is attempting it in an
ultralight!!!

Rather than a straight-line flight for a simple $100 hamburger, here's something
different. New airports, some simple navigation, a little bit of a challenge and
a free tangible reward for the accomplishment, something you can look back at at
the end of the year with pride.

Anyone interested? Have any questions? Either post your questions/comments here,
or call me at 603-434-4110 and leave a message. It would be good to know the
turn-out, since I plan to spring for coffee and donuts at Laconia at 8:30. The
departure should be around 9 - 9:30 for the first leg of the '24'.

Carsten
AANH Pres.

RVators  --

LAST CALL ...

THIS WEEKEND:   Sat/Sun 9/26-9/27
EAA SportAir Workshop -- RV Assembly
a 2-day "hands-on" workshop ... - at LWM (No.Andover, MA)
(earplugs available, but you might want to bring a headset)

http://www.sportair.com/workshops/1RV%20Assembly.html
ONLY 5 SEATS LEFT ...  (as of 9/23)

Tell anyone you know who has expressed an interest in building an RV,
but needs to gain the skills & confidence to do so.

See the following link for our flyer
http://www.eaa106.org/2009_EAA_SportAir_Workshop_SEPT_26-27_RV_Asssembly.pdf

Registration/payment is through EAA SportAir (not EAA106)
Call:          1-800-967-5746
or go to:   http://www.sportair.com/register.html

AND ...
Fly in (LWM) around lunchtime and show off your RV to the workshop attendees
and help inspire them to build !   The workshop is being held in the
airport's
maintenance garage, so taxi toward the main terminal, then over to the
white w/ blue trim garage to the left (from the ramp view) and park near the
garage.
We'll be cooking sirloin burgers & jumbo hot dogs and will offer all (pilot
& passenger)
who fly in with an RV ... $2 off the all-u-want lunch (normally $7).
Serving ~11:30am - 12:30pm    All-U-Want Lunch includes chips & beverage,
too.

AND ... on SATURDAY ...
If you're an EAA member (no chapter affiliation needed),
are willing to fly a few YOUNG EAGLES (our event is also Saturday
- mostly morning), and meet the Young Eagle Pilot Guidelines
available at: www.YoungEagles.org , give a call to TOM WALSH
who is our Young Eagles coordinator:     978-462-4782

Penny Bowman
President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106  www.EAA106.org
EAA106.Penny@...
cell:     508-284-5592
home:  978-887-3242


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FYI --

There are a limited number of spaces in the Sept 26-27
RV Assembly SportAir Workshop   (a hands-on workshop)
http://www.sportair.com/workshops/1RV%20Assembly.html#TopOfPage

Pass this on to anyone you know who might be interested
including anyone who is not sure if they might like to build an RV
since what better way to find out than to take this 2-day EAA workshop
hosted by EAA106 at the Lawrence Municipal Airport (LWM).
Register at:   https://secure.eaa.org/sportair/registration.html
                     or by calling:   1-800-967-5746

Penny Bowman
President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106  www.EAA106.org
EAA106.Penny@...
cell:     508-284-5592
home:  978-887-3242



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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:50 PM
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Subject: EAA SportAir Workshop Alert: RV Assembly at Lawrence Airport -
North Andover, MA


EAA SportAir Workshops returns to North Andover, MA for a two-day Van's
Aircraft RV Assembly course the weekend of September 26-27, 2009, for
aspiring homebuilders. The workshop is being hosted by EAA Chapter 106 at
Lawrence Municipal Airport, and there is still space available for aspiring
homebuilders of this top-selling line of kitplanes.

SportAir's pioneering RV course is an intensive weekend seminar. Hands-on
practice provides the skills, experience, and confidence required to
assemble your airplane. In addition we'll discuss Federal Aviation
Regulations pertaining to amateur-built aircraft; required tools and
workshop essentials; engine and propeller selection; flight-testing; and
more.

The course is limited to 16 students. EAA members receive a special discount
price of $319, which includes all materials and equipment. As a special
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These videos show how Mr Cliff Dow at times lands right over people's roofs.
Even if he will accept these risks for himself, it is unfair to push such
risk on others. Let's try to be better ambassadors for our sport than the
pilot in these pictures.

Carsten



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Brian Meyette <bmeyette@...> wrote:

>
>
> Some of the links (like departing naples field and landing farm stand) say
> this:
> The URL contained a malformed video ID.
> I'm not surprised the farmer was pissed - seems to me most people would be,
> unless it was an emergency
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com<BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com<BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Clifford Dow Jr.
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:14 PM
> To: cdowjr@... <cdowjr%40yahoo.com>
> Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] More of Cliff's flying videos
>
> More of Cliff’s videos shot this past Sunday!  Wow what a great time that
> was.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRwaXX9zBow   - Richmond Island, Casco Bay
> landing
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szp8FUKo8yk   - Departing Richmond Island,
> Casco Bay
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBzC0XF8Sg – Landing in Naples Maine on a
> farm field
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2C1AssHco  - Departing the Naples, Maine
> farm field – after being yelled at by the farmer to “Get the *&^*%$$ out of
> here!”
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJ7zZvFhm4   - Landing at the farm stand
> for
> veggies and blueberries in Naples Maine.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKA7-0Upbrs – Departing with veggies and
> fresh blueberries from the farm stand – what a nice guy he was.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpAXKGB2KNE – flying down Old Orchard
> Beach,
> Maine.   Hard to fly straight and level with all those hot bikinis!
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Some of the links (like departing naples field and landing farm stand) say
this:
The URL contained a malformed video ID.
I'm not surprised the farmer was pissed - seems to me most people would be,
unless it was an emergency


-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Dow Jr.
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:14 PM
To: cdowjr@...
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] More of Cliff's flying videos

More of Cliff’s videos shot this past Sunday!  Wow what a great time that
was. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRwaXX9zBow   - Richmond Island, Casco Bay
landing
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szp8FUKo8yk   - Departing Richmond Island,
Casco Bay
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBzC0XF8Sg – Landing in Naples Maine on a
farm field
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2C1AssHco  - Departing the Naples, Maine
farm field – after being yelled at by the farmer to “Get the *&^*%$$ out of
here!” 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJ7zZvFhm4   - Landing at the farm stand for
veggies and blueberries in Naples Maine.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKA7-0Upbrs – Departing with veggies and
fresh blueberries from the farm stand – what a nice guy he was. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpAXKGB2KNE – flying down Old Orchard Beach,
Maine.   Hard to fly straight and level with all those hot bikinis! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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More of Cliff’s videos shot this past Sunday!  Wow what a great time that
was. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRwaXX9zBow   - Richmond Island, Casco Bay
landing
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szp8FUKo8yk   - Departing Richmond Island,
Casco Bay
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBzC0XF8Sg – Landing in Naples Maine on a farm
field
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2C1AssHco  - Departing the Naples, Maine farm
field – after being yelled at by the farmer to “Get the *&^*%$$ out of
here!� 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJ7zZvFhm4   - Landing at the farm stand for
veggies and blueberries in Naples Maine.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKA7-0Upbrs – Departing with veggies and fresh
blueberries from the farm stand – what a nice guy he was. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpAXKGB2KNE – flying down Old Orchard Beach,
Maine.   Hard to fly straight and level with all those hot bikinis! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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Russ,

  Great to hear you're back to building.

  I have an IO-360-L2A and a Catto fixed pitch composite prop on my RV-8. It's a
great combination and I'm happy with the performance. Plus I don't have to worry
about prop or governor overhauls :^)

I can climb out at 120 MPH and 1000Ft/Min all the way up to 8K if I want and I
true out at about 175Kts at 8K if I push it. Normally I cruise at 160Kts. on 7.8
GPH.

Any time you want to go for a ride, let me know.

Bob
N802RV

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Russell
   To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:43 AM
   Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] Back to building!!





   Hey everyone,

   5 years ago I stopped building my RV-8, right after we had our first daughter.
Then 15
   months later we had another one! Two years after that one we moved to a new
home in
   Brookline, NH onto an airpark community. Over the last two years I have been
builder my
   hangar next to our home here at NH16. Needless to say the RV-8 project has
taken a
   back seat to everything else. Last week I finally decided it was time to get
going on the
   building process again. Finished up the forward and aft baggage, installed the
forward
   cabin braces and started work on the front and rear rudder pedals.

   It feels so good to get back into the building process. Was about install the
battery box,
   but decided to go with an Odyssey battery to save the weight. Any one modify
their
   battery box to accept this battery, and do you have any tips or tricks.

   Also thinking about keeping the airplane simple/low cost and installing an
IO-360 Lyc
   with a fixed pitch prop, any one have this combo?

   Well back to building,

   Russell
   N208RV RV-8- in process
   N7738J PA32-260- in hangar





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Hey everyone,

5 years ago I stopped building my RV-8, right after we had our first daughter. 
Then 15
months later we had another one!  Two years after that one we moved to a new
home in
Brookline, NH onto an airpark community.  Over the last two years I have been
builder my
hangar next to our home here at NH16.  Needless to say the RV-8 project has
taken a
back seat to everything else.  Last week I finally decided it was time to get
going on the
building process again.  Finished up the forward and aft baggage, installed the
forward
cabin braces and started work on the front and rear rudder pedals.

It feels so good to get back into the building process.  Was about install the
battery box,
but decided to go with an Odyssey battery to save the weight.  Any one modify
their
battery box to accept this battery, and do you have any tips or tricks.

Also thinking about keeping the airplane simple/low cost and installing an
IO-360 Lyc
with a fixed pitch prop, any one have this combo?

Well back to building,

Russell
N208RV RV-8- in process
N7738J PA32-260- in hangar

RVators ...   (We hope we won't need the rain date of Sun)

     If you fly your RV to the fly-in on Sat,
     as the PIC (only), you eat FREE (Breakfast & Lunch)
     Just come to the registration tent to check in.

     We still need more VOLUNTEERS (all roles flight-line, cars, cooking,
tent, ...)
     and have some volunteer benefits, too, as a thank-you.
     Contact Bob DiMeo or me if you can help.

2009 NorthEast RV-Canard Fly-In
      FREE:  Admission, parking, & 11 seminars
THIS SAT (6/27)  (We hope we don't need that Sunday rain date after all ...)

Our annual NorthEast RV-Canard Fly-In is in it's 7th year !!  (9th yr for
overall event)
This year, we have an incredible array of guest speakers & topics,
whether interested in RVs, Canards, other homebuilts, or even
a pilot of a certified aircraft ....

1)  Underwater Aircraft Egress - by Survival Systems USA -
www.survivalsystemsinc.com  An interactive session on the do's and don't of
aircraft ditching.  - 11-noon and repeats 2-3pm  Don't miss this live-saving
info !!!

2)  Van's RV-12, a new kit LSA aircraft - by Mitch Locke, Van's Aircraft
East Coast Rep www.vansaircraft.com - Mitch is building the first RV-12 kit
outside the factory and will share his experiences. - 11-noon

3)  Van's Builder Q&A - by Mitch Locke, Van's Aircraft East Coast Rep  -
Last year, this event was one of the most-attended sessions.  RV aircraft
builders (and wannabe RV builders) will benefit.  noon-1pm

4)  Flight Medical - Will you pass? What's disqualifying? Includes Q&A
session (bring your friend's story, too) - by Dr. Richard Warnock, AME, No.
Andover  - 9-11am

5)  Formation Flying Basics - by Marc Nathanson, Chief Aerobatics and
Formation Flying Instructor, Executive Flyers Aviation
www.executiveflyers.com - 10-11:30am

6)  Preparing your Homebuilt Aircraft for Inspection (& 51% rule) - by Joe
Gauthier, DAR - Learn about the aircraft and paperwork preparation.  1-2pm

7)  Homebuilt First Flights - by Joe Gauthier, DAR - Learn how to safely
conduct your first flights. 1-2pm

8)  Basic Aircraft Building (Metal-Working Workshop) - by Bob DiMeo, EAA106
member - Ever wondered what it's like to build your own metal aircraft and
pound rivets? Come give it a try at this hands-on workshop.  1-4pm

9)  Tail-Dragger Transition - by Roland Noyes - This is especially valuable
to the many RV builders who are pilots with only tricycle gear experience.
Learn what's involved in making the transition.  9-10am

10)  Flying the BERKUT - by Joe Parrish, EAA106 member - Learn about this
interesting canard aircraft.  - noon-1pm

11)  Aviation Art - by Rob Brun, EAA106 member - www.robertbrun.com - Come
see the amazingly realistic paintings and imagine your aircraft in a
painting.  11-4pm

Also on hand (go to the registration tent) will be the FAA Safety Team where
you can learn more about the WINGS program.


     If you fly your RV (or Canard) aircraft to our event,
     the PIC (only) eats FREE (Breakfast & Lunch)
     Just come to the registration tent to check in.

The educational benefit is the reason EAA chapter 106 (a 501(c)(3)
educational organization) offers this as a FREE event (free admittance,
parking, & seminars), but come hungry - the chapter will have breakfast &
lunch available to hopefully help offset some of our many expenses.
All-U-Want Breakfast for $5, All-U-Want Lunch for $7, or a combo ticket for
BOTH meals for only $10 - what a deal !!  Or -- If you like the event,
please consider making a DONATION.  THANKS !!   (We usually run this event
at about a $500 loss).

See www.EAA106.org then click on RV-Canard Fly-In for complete details,
seminar schedule, flyer, maps, photos of prior events, and more.


PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW who might find some of the seminars
interesting and who want to see some beautiful aircraft !

See you Saturday !!

Penny Bowman
President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106  www.EAA106.org
                 and EAA106 Newsletter Editor
EAA106.Penny@...
cell:     508-284-5592
home:  978-887-3242



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I believe you call Approach Control and tell them you'd like to fly into LWM
but don't have a transponder and they can arrange it.  When leaving, I
believe you would call the LWM tower for assisting reversing the process.

btw -- The weather picture is improving ...
If channel 7 is correct, I like what they say ...
http://www1.whdh.com/weather/
Morning clouds, afternoon sun. Highs in the lower 80s.

Please tell all your fell RV'ators (and other homebuilders and even spam can
guys will like some of the seminars!)

EVERYONE should attend the UNDERWATER EGRESS -- There will be two sessions,
so don't miss it -- Just this limited interactive session could provide
information to SAVE YOUR LIFE !!!

Penny Bowman
President, Greater Boston EAA Chapter 106  www.EAA106.org
                 and EAA106 Newsletter Editor
EAA106.Penny@...
cell:     508-284-5592
home:  978-887-3242


-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 AM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] Fly-In this weekend.


Here's a question I've been meaning to ask for some time - since LWM is
within the BOS 30nm circle, is there any legal way to fly into LWM without a
transponder?
Thanks,
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BobbyD
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:24 PM
To: RV-8@yahoogroups.com; BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] Fly-In this weekend.

Don't forget that this coming weekend is the RV fly in at Lawrence. We
need volunteers. If you can spend some time helping out there's a discount
on food.
We'll be there starting at 7:30 on Saturday and we'll need help parking
airplanes as well as other tasks supporting the seminars.
Pilots flying in their homebuilts will be provided free food as well.
PRAY FOR SUN!!!!

Bob
.




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Here's a question I've been meaning to ask for some time - since LWM is
within the BOS 30nm circle, is there any legal way to fly into LWM without a
transponder?
Thanks,
Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BobbyD
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:24 PM
To: RV-8@yahoogroups.com; BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] Fly-In this weekend.

     Don't forget that this coming weekend is the RV fly in at Lawrence. We
need volunteers. If you can spend some time helping out there's a discount
on food.
     We'll be there starting at 7:30 on Saturday and we'll need help parking
airplanes as well as other tasks supporting the seminars.
Pilots flying in their homebuilts will be provided free food as well.
     PRAY FOR SUN!!!!

   Bob


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Don't forget that this coming weekend is the RV fly in at Lawrence. We need
volunteers. If you can spend some time helping out there's a discount on food.
     We'll be there starting at 7:30 on Saturday and we'll need help parking
airplanes as well as other tasks supporting the seminars.
Pilots flying in their homebuilts will be provided free food as well.
     PRAY FOR SUN!!!!

   Bob


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Dave:



Thanks for the url.  Rod's article was most helpful.  I looked at my
original 3-5,xxx foot level (2 minute) data and found I had too few points
to make a real "curve", although I had established best ROC solo as 1400 FPM
@ 82kt.  Since then I broke in the engine, changed props and will be
repitching again next winter, so I guess I need to run more tests to get a
usable curve.  From the old plot I'd guess best angle of climb to be 1325FPM
@ 75kt.  I should also develop full-gross numbers.  Gives me a reason to
fly!



Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell    207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Setser
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:28 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] Best Angle of Climb vs Best Rate of Climb








One more thing...there's a good explanation of the Vy - Vx relationship
on Rod Machado's website...

http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/369bz3> com/369bz3

Hope this helps...

Dave

Tom Muller wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone recall the method of determining the best angle of climb? I
> think it is based of the best rate of climb, but don't remember the
> formula.
> My Vx (best rate of climb) near sea level density altitude is 85kts / 1300
> fpm. Should I be able to calculate Vx (best angle of climb) from that? Now
> that I am planning a trip to the Rockies, it seems important to know.
>
> Tom Muller
>
> 120 Spring Water Road
>
> Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303
>
> Cell 207-212-9184
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>





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One more thing...there's a good explanation of the Vy - Vx relationship
on Rod Machado's website...

http://tinyurl.com/369bz3

Hope this helps...

Dave


Tom Muller wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone recall the method of determining the best angle of climb? I
> think it is based of the best rate of climb, but don't remember the
> formula.
> My Vx (best rate of climb) near sea level density altitude is 85kts / 1300
> fpm. Should I be able to calculate Vx (best angle of climb) from that? Now
> that I am planning a trip to the Rockies, it seems important to know.
>
> Tom Muller
>
> 120 Spring Water Road
>
> Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303
>
> Cell 207-212-9184
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tom,

Unfortunately there's not a precise plug-and-chug formula to get Vx from
Vy.  How did you get your number for Vy?  If you did several climbs at
different airspeeds, you can use those numbers to figure out Vx.

Dave Setser

Tom Muller wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone recall the method of determining the best angle of climb? I
> think it is based of the best rate of climb, but don't remember the
> formula.
> My Vx (best rate of climb) near sea level density altitude is 85kts / 1300
> fpm. Should I be able to calculate Vx (best angle of climb) from that? Now
> that I am planning a trip to the Rockies, it seems important to know.
>
> Tom Muller
>
> 120 Spring Water Road
>
> Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303
>
> Cell 207-212-9184
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Can anyone recall the method of determining the best angle of climb?  I
think it is based of the best rate of climb, but don't remember the formula.
My Vx (best rate of climb) near sea level density altitude is 85kts / 1300
fpm. Should I be able to calculate Vx (best angle of climb) from that?  Now
that I am planning a trip to the Rockies, it seems important to know.





Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell    207-212-9184





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Dave:



It doesn't bounce much and only if I hit a bump, but you are right.  Our
club has a new set of digital scales and this would be a good time for me to
get a re-weigh.  I ran the numbers with fuel burned off and they are still
OK, but it won't hurt to check.  Elevator authority is great!  I can do a
touch and go without the nosewheel ever touching the ground and "normal"
landings include most of the roll out with the nose still in the air.



BTW last weekend my instructor and I were working on my biennial and doing
some hard slips (one control at the stops)  Surprise, the rudder bottomed
out before the ailerons.  Who'd of thunk it with the barn door rudder the
new RVs have!



Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell    207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Rogers
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:37 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A








Tom,

Is it possible the weigh in or calculations are off ?

Maybe it might be a good idea to put it back on the scales and double check
?

I only say this cause it seems a little unusual for the nose to be bouncing
way up over bumps when taxiing.

I suppose you could push the stick forward when taxing over bumps to see if
that helps.

Perhaps the C.G. of the airplane in flight is fine, and maybe it's the
position of the landing gear that keep it too far aft in balance on the
ground.

How much elevator authority and trim range do you have in slow flight ? How
is it reacting in the flare.. are you having to push the stick forward a
little?

Just curious.

Dave R.

From: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Muller
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:28 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A

Dave Rogers and Dave White

I re-ran the CG when I changed props and found that even with full baggage
and full fuel, I don't get out of the rear CG, probably due to heavy people.
RV nose draggers are almost impossible to get out of CG, but that doesn't
mean I don't calculate it when running heavy. Dave R's -4 and -8 are
another story. I have a friend with a -7 that got out of CG and had trouble
landing when a toolbox in the baggage compartment shifted to the rear. He
got down OK, but knows the value of tie downs.

The toolboxes would replace existing tools containers in the baggage
compartment and shift the weight forward. In spite of the boss's
authorization to buy the autopilot, I have decided to hold off a season.
Income is a little uncertain and some of the autopilot money is going into a
40th anniversary gift. I'm willing to hand fly to keep her happy!

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A

Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right. Slightly more pitch
sensitivity, slightly faster cruise, etc. As for a trip to the Rockies, you
might consider the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher
altitudes. BUT...you are running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly
light, good performing airplane. The autopilot you are planning would be a
bonus for such a long trip. Have fun, and be careful.

Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne
<mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com> r.com> wrote:

From: Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne <mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com>
r.com>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM

I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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Hi Tom
I have been following your progress with interest.  My wife and I have been
flying our RV-9A out of SFZ since 2005.
With reference to your autopilot to wait is a good idea, I was very enthusiastic
to get one until we made a trip of 1200
miles each way and on our return we decided to cancel those plans.  We found the
airplane so easy to keep on course
it was not worth the expense and trouble to install.
Your trip to the rockies should give you a good feel for what to do.
Joe  RV-9A  N399EF

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From: "Tom Muller " <tommuller@...>
To: <BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:32 -0400




Dave Rogers and Dave White

I re-ran the CG when I changed props and found that even with full baggage
and full fuel, I don't get out of the rear CG, probably due to heavy people.
RV nose draggers are almost impossible to get out of CG, but that doesn't
mean I don't calculate it when running heavy. Dave R's -4 and -8 are
another story. I have a friend with a -7 that got out of CG and had trouble
landing when a toolbox in the baggage compartment shifted to the rear. He
got down OK, but knows the value of tie downs.

The toolboxes would replace existing tools containers in the baggage
compartment and shift the weight forward. In spite of the boss's
authorization to buy the autopilot, I have decided to hold off a season.
Income is a little uncertain and some of the autopilot money is going into a
40th anniversary gift. I'm willing to hand fly to keep her happy!

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of White Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:07 AM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A

Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right. Slightly more pitch
sensitivity, slightly faster cruise, etc. As for a trip to the Rockies, you
might consider the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher
altitudes. BUT...you are running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly
light, good performing airplane. The autopilot you are planning would be a
bonus for such a long trip. Have fun, and be careful.

Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne
<mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com> r.com> wrote:

From: Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne <mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com>
r.com>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM

I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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One more thought. What's your C.G. like when you've burned off 3 hours of
fuel and you have full baggage back there ?

Is it still within safe limits then ?



On our RV-4 with two people, we reach our aft C.G. limit after 3 hours of
fuel burned and only 15 lbs of baggage in the rear.

(Granted this is a tandem seating. so it's a non-issue with no back seat
occupied)



DR.



From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Muller
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:28 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A








Dave Rogers and Dave White

I re-ran the CG when I changed props and found that even with full baggage
and full fuel, I don't get out of the rear CG, probably due to heavy people.
RV nose draggers are almost impossible to get out of CG, but that doesn't
mean I don't calculate it when running heavy. Dave R's -4 and -8 are
another story. I have a friend with a -7 that got out of CG and had trouble
landing when a toolbox in the baggage compartment shifted to the rear. He
got down OK, but knows the value of tie downs.

The toolboxes would replace existing tools containers in the baggage
compartment and shift the weight forward. In spite of the boss's
authorization to buy the autopilot, I have decided to hold off a season.
Income is a little uncertain and some of the autopilot money is going into a
40th anniversary gift. I'm willing to hand fly to keep her happy!

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of White Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:07 AM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A

Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right. Slightly more pitch
sensitivity, slightly faster cruise, etc. As for a trip to the Rockies, you
might consider the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher
altitudes. BUT...you are running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly
light, good performing airplane. The autopilot you are planning would be a
bonus for such a long trip. Have fun, and be careful.

Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne
<mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com> r.com> wrote:

From: Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne <mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com>
r.com>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM

I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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Tom,



Is it possible the weigh in or calculations are off ?

Maybe it might be a good idea to put it back on the scales and double check
?

I only say this cause it seems a little unusual for the nose to be bouncing
way up over bumps when taxiing.

I suppose you could push the stick forward when taxing over bumps to see if
that helps.



Perhaps the C.G. of the airplane in flight is fine, and maybe it's the
position of the landing gear that keep it too far aft in balance on the
ground.

How much elevator authority and trim range do you have in slow flight ?  How
is it reacting in the flare.. are you having to push the stick forward a
little?



Just curious.

Dave R.



From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Muller
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:28 PM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A








Dave Rogers and Dave White

I re-ran the CG when I changed props and found that even with full baggage
and full fuel, I don't get out of the rear CG, probably due to heavy people.
RV nose draggers are almost impossible to get out of CG, but that doesn't
mean I don't calculate it when running heavy. Dave R's -4 and -8 are
another story. I have a friend with a -7 that got out of CG and had trouble
landing when a toolbox in the baggage compartment shifted to the rear. He
got down OK, but knows the value of tie downs.

The toolboxes would replace existing tools containers in the baggage
compartment and shift the weight forward. In spite of the boss's
authorization to buy the autopilot, I have decided to hold off a season.
Income is a little uncertain and some of the autopilot money is going into a
40th anniversary gift. I'm willing to hand fly to keep her happy!

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of White Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:07 AM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A

Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right. Slightly more pitch
sensitivity, slightly faster cruise, etc. As for a trip to the Rockies, you
might consider the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher
altitudes. BUT...you are running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly
light, good performing airplane. The autopilot you are planning would be a
bonus for such a long trip. Have fun, and be careful.

Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne
<mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com> r.com> wrote:

From: Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne <mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com>
r.com>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM

I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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Dave Rogers and Dave White



I re-ran the CG when I changed props and found that even with full baggage
and full fuel, I don't get out of the rear CG, probably due to heavy people.
RV nose draggers are almost impossible to get out of CG, but that doesn't
mean I don't calculate it when running heavy.  Dave R's -4 and -8 are
another story.  I have a friend with a -7 that got out of CG and had trouble
landing when a toolbox in the baggage compartment shifted to the rear.  He
got down OK, but knows the value of tie downs.



The toolboxes would replace existing tools containers in the baggage
compartment and shift the weight forward.  In spite of the boss's
authorization to buy the autopilot, I have decided to hold off a season.
Income is a little uncertain and some of the autopilot money is going into a
40th anniversary gift.  I'm willing to hand fly to keep her happy!



Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell    207-212-9184

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From: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of White Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:07 AM
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A








Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right.  Slightly more pitch
sensitivity, slightly faster cruise, etc.  As for a trip to the Rockies, you
might consider the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher
altitudes.  BUT...you are running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly
light, good performing airplane.  The autopilot you are planning would be a
bonus for such a long trip.  Have fun, and be careful.

Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne
<mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com> r.com> wrote:

From: Tom Muller <tommuller@roadrunne <mailto:tommuller%40roadrunner.com>
r.com>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@ <mailto:BostonRVBuilders%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM

I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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Tom...what Dave Rogers said is exactly right.  Slightly more pitch sensitivity,
slightly faster cruise, etc.  As for a trip to the Rockies, you might consider
the weight penalties of the tool boxes at the higher altitudes.  BUT...you are
running 160 hp on an RV-9A, which is a fairly light, good performing airplane. 
The autopilot you are planning would be a bonus for such a long trip.  Have fun,
and be careful.
 
Dave White

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Tom Muller <tommuller@...> wrote:


From: Tom Muller <tommuller@...>
Subject: [BostonRVBuilders] CG and Lift - RV-9A
To: BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:42 AM








I changed from a Sennsinich to a Catto prop and lost 18 lbs. This also
shifted the CG back a little and since then the airplane has had an annoying
tendency to bounce the nosewheel over bumps during low speed taxi and to
bang the tail on the ground if we are not careful loading passengers at full
gross. I had planned to build a pair of small toolboxes to go on the front
of the wing box to shift some weight forward.

I also read that airplanes are faster near rear CG because the HS does not
have to work so hard to keep the tail down. Would this improve climb
performance as well? I am planning a trip to the Rockies (not Colorado) and
would like all the climb performance I can get. Should I hold off on the
toolbox until after I get back?

Tom Muller

120 Spring Water Road

Poland Spring, ME 04274-5303

Cell 207-212-9184

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