I removed the CAI 302/303 and the IPAQ with WinPilot to make the price more in
line with market value.  It's a good ship as is but the
toys aren't free.


--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, Allen Miller <aslan6@...>
wrote:
>
> Why? If she's worth it, why???? The Phoebus b is a great ship. I love mine!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: PaulB <site4soareyes11@...>
> To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:49:51 PM
> Subject: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus B for sale - Reduced Price
>
>  
> If anyone is interested, I just reduced the price of my Phoebus B from $15,000
to 11,500. Christmas is just around the corner.
>

I am not aware of any Phoebus selling for more than $11k-$12k within the last
few years.  This new pricing while not as exciting as $15k is probably more in
line with realistic pricing.  Wish we could all get more but there are a lot of
sellers out there discounting newer ships.  Best of luck with the sale.  Looks
like a nice bird.

Bruno

--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, Allen Miller <aslan6@...>
wrote:
>
> Why? If she's worth it, why???? The Phoebus b is a great ship. I love mine!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: PaulB <site4soareyes11@...>
> To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:49:51 PM
> Subject: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus B for sale - Reduced Price
>
>  
> If anyone is interested, I just reduced the price of my Phoebus B from $15,000
to 11,500. Christmas is just around the corner.
>

If anyone is interested, I just reduced the price of my Phoebus B from $15,000
to 11,500.  Christmas is just around the corner.

If anyone is interested, I just reduced the price of my Phoebus B from $15,000
to $11,500 on Wings and Wheels Page 3.



--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kennedy <sonicpops@...>
wrote:
>
> Will do. She is a great bang for the buck as you know.
>
> Good luck,  MK
>
> --- On Sat, 9/26/09, PaulB <site4soareyes11@...> wrote:
>
> From: PaulB <site4soareyes11@...>
> Subject: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] B Model For Sale
> To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:51 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
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>
>
>                   If you know anyone looking for a nice B model, have them
check Wings and Wheels.
>

--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, "martinl_nz"
<martinlindley@...> wrote:
>
> I am flying a Phoebus C - while I love the plane, the varios are
unsatisfactory. There are two varios fitted - a mechanical vario with a flask
and a Cambridge MK4. They sharet the static and original pitot in the nose of
the fuse. The main issue is they only agree in steady conditions - in variable
conditions, even at constant speed they often head in opposite directions. It
seems more than just a matter of different response times.
> I am thinking I should fit a dedicated TE probe for the Cambridge but not sure
how this will work (the MK IV has internal electronic compensation).
> Are other Phoebus pilots getting OK results with the nose pitot arrangement?
>

My Phoebus has a B-40 electric vario and a PZL mechanical vario.  Both are
attached to the static port and a TE probe on the tail, not the pitot.  They are
also attached to a 0.45 liter flask, or at least one of them is (I forget).  I
read somewhere that if two varios share a common TE probe, it's best to split
the line to them well away from the instruments, like behind the pilot
somewhere.  Putting a "tee" fitting for this up in the panel near the
instruments supposedly results in errors as they interfere with each other. 
Call Cambridge and ask them about it.  It may need the electronic compensation
turned off to run with a TE probe.

Don

I am flying a Phoebus C - while I love the plane, the varios are unsatisfactory.
There are two varios fitted - a mechanical vario with a flask and a Cambridge
MK4. They sharet the static and original pitot in the nose of the fuse. The main
issue is they only agree in steady conditions - in variable conditions, even at
constant speed they often head in opposite directions. It seems more than just a
matter of different response times.
I am thinking I should fit a dedicated TE probe for the Cambridge but not sure
how this will work (the MK IV has internal electronic compensation).
Are other Phoebus pilots getting OK results with the nose pitot arrangement?

If you know anyone looking for a nice B model, have them check Wings and Wheels.

My bid was only about $800.  I didn't really want it, as I have plenty of
projects right now.  Not sure who got the plane, but all it needed was a new
canopy.

When did you get the LS-3 from them?  I think I remember a 3a within the last
year or so.

There is also a Speed Astir up for salvage.  Brokedn aft canopy section and
broken frame for that section.  Probably some damage to the fuselage around the
canopy, as they say it came open/off in flight.

Steve

--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, roberto luis segobia
<robertms3@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steven;
> I already bought a LS 3 from AIG. Just to know how much you put on the bid?
> Regards
> Roberto

I guess nobody here saw or bid on the Phoebus B that AIG had up for salvage bid?
They totalled it because of a broken canopy.  They currently have a Speed Astir
up for salvage for a broken canopy and frame.  I put in a low-ball bid on the
Phoebus, but did not get it.

Just a word of caution to all here.  Don't try to save a few buck  by
underinsuring your glider!  If the cost to repair starts to approach half of the
insured value, you are at risk of having them total your plane.  You will get a
check for the insured amount, minus your deductable, and you sign the bill of
sale giving them the plane.  Insurance is a business, and they are looking to
cut their losses if you damage your plane.  If the repair estimate is more than
pay-off minus salvage value, that is likely the route they will take.

So, if you love your Phoebus and have it insured, keep this in mind!

Steve Leonard

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Now I am proud of myself and my plane.
I participated in club class at EGC 2009 Pociunai, Lithuania and did not be
last.
It was tree weeks well spend, nearly 70 hours total, over 3000 kilometers and 16
flights (12 competition flights)
Twice was the task set to go to Poland but, In spite of the fact that I
outlandet quite often I did not land there.
If somebody is interested of my flights, they can be seen at;
http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightbook.html?sp=2009&st=olc&rt=o\
lc&pi=8424
Or;
  http://www.pociunai.lt/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=132
I added few photos too.
M Arkku

--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, "Rudy Hofer" <rhofer@...>
wrote:
>
> Sadly, My phoebus flipped over in a wind storm (while in the trailer) last
Saturday.
>
> Ailerons and the trailing edges of the wings are damaged along with numerous
holes in the wings. The rudder has damage on the top. The canopy shattered. The
elevator is damaged.
>
> If any of you are interested in any part of her let me know right away as she
will soon be sent to the land fill.
>
> Rudy
>
I have Phoebus N264K.  Where are you located?  It would be nice to have for
spare parts.
Jack Selbert
St. George, UT  and Godfrey, IL

I’m in Kitchener, Ontario Canada.

 

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From: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 9:16 AM
To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus Available for Salvage

 

Rudy,

Sorry to hear about your loss.Where is the ship at?

Sent from my iPhone Bruce WIlson

On Apr 28, 2009, at 7:30 AM, "Rudy Hofer" <rhofer@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Sadly, My phoebus flipped over in a wind storm (while in the trailer) last Saturday.

Ailerons and the trailing edges of the wings are damaged along with numerous holes in the wings. The rudder has damage on the top. The canopy shattered. The elevator is damaged.

If any of you are interested in any part of her let me know right away as she will soon be sent to the land fill.

Rudy

 

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Sadly, My phoebus flipped over in a wind storm (while in the trailer) last Saturday.

Ailerons and the trailing edges of the wings are damaged along with numerous holes in the wings. The rudder has damage on the top. The canopy shattered. The elevator is damaged.

If any of you are interested in any part of her let me know right away as she will soon be sent to the land fill.

Rudy

Sadly, My phoebus flipped over in a wind storm (while in the trailer) last
Saturday.

Ailerons and the trailing edges of the wings are damaged along with numerous
holes in the wings. The rudder has damage on the top. The canopy shattered. The
elevator is damaged.

If any of you are interested in any part of her let me know right away as she
will soon be sent to the land fill.

Rudy

--- In Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com, "matevz.stanovnik"
<matevz.stanovnik@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I am a new Phoebus b1 owner. I made only a couple of flights, but was
surprised about the effective of the ailerons. The stick is very hard and the
responses are very slow. After two hours of mountain flying and thight circuling
i get problems with my arm.
> Is this normal?
> How could i make a stick lighter and the ailerons more effective?
> Best regards,
> Matevž
>

I had a lot of trouble with my ailerons when I got my Phoebus.  They had a lot
of drag and I could not get full deflection of the stick to the right.  There
were a number of things that I did to solve the problem, and some of them may
apply to yours.  Often it is a cumulative effect from several sources that adds
up to too much friction.

1)  Check all the bearings and pivot points from the stick to the ailerons. 
Phoebuses (Phoebi?) are all about forty years old.  The bearings used in them
are open and often lubed with white grease which attracts dirt and hardens over
time.  If your glider has been stored for a long time in a hot dry box or the
prior annuals were "pencil whipped", the bearings may be causing the drag.  With
the wings detached, wiggle the stick to see if the problem is in the fuselage. 
Then try wiggling the aileron to see if the problem is in the wings, and on
which side.

2) Shine a light down the wing to see if anything is obstructing the pushrod,
like dirt dauber or rats nests.  MIne had a lot of dirt daubers in the wings,
most of which I got out with a Shopvac and a looooong piece of PCV conduit.

3) Check around the holes in the fuselage AND the wing root to make sure the
pushrods and Hotelier fittings are not rubbing there.  The AD requiring safety
pins in the Hotelier fittings reduces the clearance for these.  Mine were
rubbing the edge of the hole which could have jammed the ailerons and caused a
BIG problem.  If you see scratches from the safety pins or wires on the edge of
the hole, rasp or grind out the hole with a smooth radius where it was rubbing
and varnish the raw edge.  Remember, it may look fine on the ground but be
dragging when the wings are loaded up.  When you hook up the controls and still
have that 1/2 inch gap to look through, you can see if they are near one side.

4)  If you have teflon tape or mylar seals on the wing, it may cause a problem. 
My mylar caused a lot of drag and would occasionally catch on the edge of the
teflon tape on the aileron itself, jamming the aileron at full deflection.  This
sucked and would come loose with a loud pop that sounded like I broke something
off.  I removed the mylar and the teflon, and replaced it with the good quality
white CLOTH tape (not plastic wing gap tape).  When you apply it, push the
aileron all the way down and stick it to the top.  When you push the aileron up,
bend the tape down into the gap with a coin edge so it will bend that way each
time.  If you apply it with a centered aileron, it will not stretch when it goes
down and make the problem worse.

5)  My Phoebus was beautifully restored and the gaps were finished with a close
tolerance.  At the ends of the ailerons, the gap between the aileron and the
wing was too tight and not exactly at 90 degrees.  When the aileron went to full
deflection, it pinched in the gap and jammed the aileron.  Put a piece of thin
cardboard in the gap and deflect your ailerons all the way.  If it jams, you
need to open the gap up by putting  a strip of folded sandpaper in the gap and
sawing up and down.  It needs a little room to expand on those hot days, so give
it some.

Even with all these things done, a Phoebus is much heavier on the ailerons than
in pitch which is very light.  You should always be able to deflect them until
the stick hits the edge of the seat pan cutout, per the manual, though.

Good luck and enjoy your Phoebus!

Don

Hello!

I am a new Phoebus b1 owner. I made only a couple of flights, but was surprised
about the effective of the ailerons. The stick is very hard and the responses
are very slow. After two hours of mountain flying and thight circuling i get
problems with my arm.
Is this normal?
How could i make a stick lighter and the ailerons more effective?
Best regards,
Matevž

----- Original Message -----

From: Fergus McDonnell

To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:55 PM

Subject: RE: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus C

No problem Tim. We have had great fun with our Phoebus and on days the guys with the DGs don’t rig because the thermals are weak you will. And you will stay up. Best LD and min sink for the money. Let me know if you buy.

Regards

Fergus

From: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Leslie
Sent: 28 February 2009 16:55
To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus C

Thank you Fergus.  I will certainly get in contact with you regarding the rigging and such.  I hope to find a suitable ship before summer.  My club is full of "nay-sayers" concerning the Phoebus, specifying the balsa and the wing rigging as the drawbacks.  Of course, most can afford to fly Discus and DGs!  LOL  My budget doesn't allow that (public school teacher here) and the Phoebus looks like a great ship in my eyes.  I am not an impressionable youngster (51) so I follow my own logic with informed decision making, not mere opinion and hype. I was interested in the HP series but am shying away from homebuilts due to such a variability inherent to their quality.  Darned it all. I look forward to corresponding with you soon as a new Phoebus owner (with any luck!).  Tim Leslie --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Fergus McDonnell <call@eurhouse.com> wrote: From: Fergus McDonnell <call@eurhouse.com> Subject: [Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes] Phoebus C To: Bolkow_Phoebus_Sailplanes@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 5:59 AM Hi Tim, Seen your post about the Phoebus. We do have a Phoebus C for sale but unfortuanatly it is in Ireland. Two people can rig in about 8 minutes with a little practice. The only rigging aids needed are a wing dolly and a wing stand. There are a few tips that makes things a lot easier. If you do buy let know and I will put together something for you. Added to what the seller tells you it should be quite easy. If you do not have a strong back then a third person will be helpful for about half the rigging time. Good luck. Regards Fergus