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#4215 From: "roazon1940" <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 2:09 am
Subject: The Crimes of Stephen Hawke 		roazon1940
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As Tod Slaughter's movie were mentioned several times in different threads of
this forum, maybe somebody could answer the following question. "The Crimes of
Stephen Hawke", a 1936 movie directed by George King, starred the great Tod as
an amiable money-lender who is also the redoubtable "Spine-Breaker". As usual,
Slaughter kills several prople in the course of the film, for money, for
preserving his incognito, or for protecting his (adopted) daughter !
The screenplay was by Paul White, with dialogue by Jack Celestin, and additional
dialogue by H.F. Maltby. The source being, according to the screen credits, a
play by Frederick Hayward.
To date I was unable to find anything about this play. As I understand, it was
not at all a Victorian play, but a modern (1936) one, written as a Victorian
play. But it could have been written, perhaps even played, under a different
title, of course.
Can anybody provide some information about Frederick Hayward, and the play
itself - if it was published in any form, etc. Thanks in advance !

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#4214 From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: Thomas Prest's portrait 		marie_anik
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Good evening once more,

I've come across Thomas Prest's portrait in The Pickwick Songster,
looking through a microfilm of Oliver Twiss. I looked through the list
archives and saw that Helen R. Smith knows of this (message 3779) and
Michael also has a portrait from "an early obscure Lloyd publication"
(message 3747). I can't find if Michael answered Norbert's question
about if his is the same...

So basically, I wanted to let you know that you can see the Prest
portrait on microfilm at the BL, = P

Marie, xxx

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#4213 From: Justin Gilbert <justingilb@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Edward Viles's copy of the Tower of London at the BL 		justingilb
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Hello Marie,
 
this is interesting indeed.  I once looked up the list of Viles's books that were auctioned off after his death (by Sotheby, I think), and there were only one or two penny dreadfuls.  I always wondered if he owned more.
 
Justin

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...> wrote:

From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Edward Viles's copy of the Tower of London at the BL
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:14 AM

 
Hey guys,

Just wanted to share with you a little finding I made at the BL: they
have a copy of A Legend of the Tower of London by J. H Hainsforth with
a manuscript inscription on the first page stating "Edward Viles | 22
Feb. 1884". This information is not recorded in their catalogue.
According to Peter's findings in message 131 (I think I remember a
later update on this, but haven't gotten around to find it), he was
baptized on 2nd Januaury 1842 and died 8th December 1891.

Marie, xxx


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#4212 From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Edward Viles's copy of the Tower of London at the BL 		marie_anik
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Hey guys,

Just wanted to share with you a little finding I made at the BL: they
have a copy of A Legend of the Tower of London by J. H Hainsforth with
a manuscript inscription on the first page stating "Edward Viles | 22
Feb. 1884". This information is not recorded in their catalogue.
According to Peter's findings in message 131 (I think I remember a
later update on this, but haven't gotten around to find it), he was
baptized on 2nd Januaury 1842 and died 8th December 1891.

Marie, xxx

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#4211 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sweeney Todd dig 		charleywag
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I had forgotten about this, a Spanish Sweeney Todd (the Spaniards had some blood-curdling penny dreadfuls of their own) here >


John

----- Original Message -----
From: roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 13:51
Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com

> Thank you very much, John, for the source of the earlier version
> of the Barnabé Cabard story. I will look if I find even earlier
> versions...
> I'm afraid to tell you, Justin, that I only heard about the
> Sweeney Todd book written by Mark yesterday on this forum ! so I
> have ordered it immediately. I was only familiarized with the
> ones written by Peter Haining, which are a curious mixture of
> real research and probably false informations (the "reality" of
> the Sweeney Todd case, the "archives" mentioned without any
> reference, etc.)
>
> For a short time I had some correspondence with Mr. Haining, and
> as he was unaware of the Barnabé Cabard story I sent him some
> informations, and the reproductions that I put in the photos
> section of this forum. He wanted a "resumé" of the Beaujoint
> book, as he was planning another "update" of his Sweeney Todd
> book - then his family sent me a mail informing that he died
> suddenly in the course of a football game if I remember well...
>
> In fact, I discovered the Jules Beaujoint version when I was
> very young, maybe 14 or 15. It was in the mid-Fifties. A
> neighbor had the set of three volumes and I was an avid reader.
> However, the story I really kept in memory was the Peyrebeilhe
> case, as I had seen the film version at this period. Then, more
> than one decade later I heard about the Tod Slaughter movies and
> the Sweeney Todd story had echoes in my memory. But I only made
> the connection four or five years ago when I found the set of
> three volumes - and the reading of "L'auberge des Trois-Rois"
> was a revelation...
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> --- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, John Adcock
> <ponche@...> wrote:
> >
> > There is an earlier version of the French Cabard drama with
> one illustration from no. 222 of Drames Judiciares  >
> >
> > http://www.journaux-
> collection.com/recherche.php?av=2&ti=DRAMES%20JUDICIAIRES>
> > John
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Justin Gilbert <justingilb@...>
> > Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:59
> > Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
> > To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Hello [I don't even know your name],
> > >  
> > > I assume you have looked at Mack's Sweeney Todd book.  Have
> you
> > > come across any early versions of the story (i.e. pre 1820
> or
> > > so) that he missed.  I am especially interested in early
> French
> > > versions that locate this story in Paris (like de Breul, if
> I
> > > remember is name correctly).  Have you come across anything
> > > earlier than de Breul?
> > >  
> > > Regards,
> > >  
> > > Justin
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 12/6/09, roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...>
> > > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
> > > To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:48 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer
> to
> > > the "Sweeney Todd dig" thread, but I came aware of this
> Group's
> > > existence only yesterday. I'm French and a collector of Tod
> > > Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include the
> literary
> > > and stage sources of his characterizations. ..
> > >
> > > BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost
> 1300
> > > pages!)
> > > I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and
> his
> > > accomplice Pierre Miquelon:
> > >
> > > LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
> > > "Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
> > > Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
> > > 3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in
> > > three volumes - but I saw also the same book in four volumes)
> > > No date - but probably published in the 1890s
> > >
> > > It's a collection of several novels:
> > > L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat
> -
> > > 1909 pages (the authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-
> > > Lara' s "L'auberge rouge", starring Fernandel, Françoise
> Rosay
> > > and Julien Carette. This novel even contains a much longer
> > > version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the
> beginning
> > > and closing of the movie!
> > > followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
> > > L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
> > > L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel
> forms
> > > the totality of the third volume...). This is of course the
> > > Barbabé Cabard / Pierre Miquelon story.
> > >
> > > Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe
> > > century, but in the 1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site
> of
> > > action is the Gobelins quarter in Paris.
> > >
> > > The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every
> 8
> > > pages, I plan to send some in the Photos section of this Group.
> > >
> > > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, "florian42003"
> > > <rlmack5@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of
> some
> > > kind
> > > > (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the
> > > ingenious
> > > > means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric
> > > history at
> > > > least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas
> > > Deloney,
> > > > who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of
> > > Reading'
> > > > (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who
> > > regularly
> > > > rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like
> that
> > > which
> > > > later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to
> > > their
> > > > death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's
> portrayal
> > > of the
> > > > collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the
> > > eager
> > > > encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced
> > > Shakespeare
> > > > when writing his Macbeth. So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may
> very
> > > well
> > > > be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, John Adcock
> > > <ponche@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15
> volumes.
> > > Possibly
> > > > an earlier version of yours ?
> > > > > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres
> anciennes
> > > et
> > > > modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de
> lettres,
> > > sous la
> > > > direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info: Paris, L.
> > > Rosier, 1834-
> > > > 35.
> > > > > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know.
> Probably I
> > > will
> > > > ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There
> is no
> > > > mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll
> try to
> > > get to
> > > > this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and
> report back.
> > > > > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate
> > > Rymer's
> > > > Sweeney anyhow.
> > > > > Thanks, Bill !
> > > > > John.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@ >
> > > > > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > > > > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] Sweeney Todd dig
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the
> > > French
> > > > > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read
> > > appears in
> > > > the
> > > > > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes
> > > Celebres
> > > > > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par
> Charles
> > > > > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set
> of
> > > highly
> > > > > > dramatized accounts of historic French political
> > > malfeasance of
> > > > > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed
> for
> > > binding
> > > > > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of
> Time.
> > > Many of
> > > > > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and
> > > portraits)
> > > > > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout
> is
> > > of
> > > > wholly
> > > > > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154
> (accompanied
> > > by two
> > > > > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre
> > > Miquelon and
> > > > > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of
> two
> > > > > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put
> up
> > > at a
> > > > > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois,
> whose
> > > > > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A
> > > wealthy
> > > > > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre
> Miquelon,
> > > whom
> > > > > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande
> > > celebrite; ses
> > > > > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris
> affluait
> > > chez
> > > > le
> > > > > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> > > > cherchaient
> > > > > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient
> en
> > > meme
> > > > > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses
> > > rivaux." Tasty
> > > > > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in
> no
> > > one
> > > > > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the
> two
> > > students
> > > > > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities
> > > seeking
> > > > the
> > > > > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other
> recent
> > > Cabard
> > > > > > clients. An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient
> > > victims
> > > > > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging
> > > eviscerated
> > > > > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-
> > > cutting
> > > > > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of
> the
> > > text and
> > > > > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks
> postage
> > > money
> > > > > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The
> Rymer
> > > > > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three
> years
> > > or so,
> > > > > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But
> the
> > > detailed
> > > > > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern
> > > with
> > > > > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> >
>
>
>

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#4210 From: "roazon1940" <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Sweeney Todd dig 		roazon1940
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Thank you very much, John, for the source of the earlier version of the Barnabé
Cabard story. I will look if I find even earlier versions...

I'm afraid to tell you, Justin, that I only heard about the Sweeney Todd book
written by Mark yesterday on this forum ! so I have ordered it immediately. I
was only familiarized with the ones written by Peter Haining, which are a
curious mixture of real research and probably false informations (the "reality"
of the Sweeney Todd case, the "archives" mentioned without any reference, etc.)

For a short time I had some correspondence with Mr. Haining, and as he was
unaware of the Barnabé Cabard story I sent him some informations, and the
reproductions that I put in the photos section of this forum. He wanted a
"resumé" of the Beaujoint book, as he was planning another "update" of his
Sweeney Todd book - then his family sent me a mail informing that he died
suddenly in the course of a football game if I remember well...

In fact, I discovered the Jules Beaujoint version when I was very young, maybe
14 or 15. It was in the mid-Fifties. A neighbor had the set of three volumes and
I was an avid reader. However, the story I really kept in memory was the
Peyrebeilhe case, as I had seen the film version at this period. Then, more than
one decade later I heard about the Tod Slaughter movies and the Sweeney Todd
story had echoes in my memory. But I only made the connection four or five years
ago when I found the set of three volumes - and the reading of "L'auberge des
Trois-Rois" was a revelation...

Jean-Claude



--- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, John Adcock <ponche@...> wrote:
>
> There is an earlier version of the French Cabard drama with one illustration
from no. 222 of Drames Judiciares  >
>
> http://www.journaux-collection.com/recherche.php?av=2&ti=DRAMES%20JUDICIAIRES
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Justin Gilbert <justingilb@...>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:59
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hello [I don't even know your name],
> >  
> > I assume you have looked at Mack's Sweeney Todd book.  Have you
> > come across any early versions of the story (i.e. pre 1820 or
> > so) that he missed.  I am especially interested in early French
> > versions that locate this story in Paris (like de Breul, if I
> > remember is name correctly).  Have you come across anything
> > earlier than de Breul?
> >  
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 12/6/09, roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...>
> > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
> > To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:48 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer to
> > the "Sweeney Todd dig" thread, but I came aware of this Group's
> > existence only yesterday. I'm French and a collector of Tod
> > Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include the literary
> > and stage sources of his characterizations. ..
> >
> > BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost 1300
> > pages!)
> > I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and his
> > accomplice Pierre Miquelon:
> >
> > LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
> > "Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
> > Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
> > 3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in
> > three volumes - but I saw also the same book in four volumes)
> > No date - but probably published in the 1890s
> >
> > It's a collection of several novels:
> > L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat -
> > 1909 pages (the authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-
> > Lara' s "L'auberge rouge", starring Fernandel, Françoise Rosay
> > and Julien Carette. This novel even contains a much longer
> > version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the beginning
> > and closing of the movie!
> > followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
> > L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
> > L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel forms
> > the totality of the third volume...). This is of course the
> > Barbabé Cabard / Pierre Miquelon story.
> >
> > Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe
> > century, but in the 1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site of
> > action is the Gobelins quarter in Paris.
> >
> > The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every 8
> > pages, I plan to send some in the Photos section of this Group.
> >
> > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, "florian42003"
> > <rlmack5@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of some
> > kind
> > > (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the
> > ingenious
> > > means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric
> > history at
> > > least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas
> > Deloney,
> > > who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of
> > Reading'
> > > (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who
> > regularly
> > > rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like that
> > which
> > > later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to
> > their
> > > death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's portrayal
> > of the
> > > collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the
> > eager
> > > encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced
> > Shakespeare
> > > when writing his Macbeth. So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may very
> > well
> > > be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, John Adcock
> > <ponche@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15 volumes.
> > Possibly
> > > an earlier version of yours ?
> > > > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres anciennes
> > et
> > > modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de lettres,
> > sous la
> > > direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info: Paris, L.
> > Rosier, 1834-
> > > 35.
> > > > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know. Probably I
> > will
> > > ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There is no
> > > mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll try to
> > get to
> > > this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and report back.
> > > > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate
> > Rymer's
> > > Sweeney anyhow.
> > > > Thanks, Bill !
> > > > John.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@ >
> > > > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > > > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] Sweeney Todd dig
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the
> > French
> > > > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read
> > appears in
> > > the
> > > > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes
> > Celebres
> > > > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par Charles
> > > > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set of
> > highly
> > > > > dramatized accounts of historic French political
> > malfeasance of
> > > > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed for
> > binding
> > > > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of Time.
> > Many of
> > > > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and
> > portraits)
> > > > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout is
> > of
> > > wholly
> > > > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154 (accompanied
> > by two
> > > > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre
> > Miquelon and
> > > > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of two
> > > > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put up
> > at a
> > > > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois, whose
> > > > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A
> > wealthy
> > > > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre Miquelon,
> > whom
> > > > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande
> > celebrite; ses
> > > > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris affluait
> > chez
> > > le
> > > > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> > > cherchaient
> > > > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient en
> > meme
> > > > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses
> > rivaux." Tasty
> > > > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in no
> > one
> > > > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the two
> > students
> > > > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities
> > seeking
> > > the
> > > > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other recent
> > Cabard
> > > > > clients. An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient
> > victims
> > > > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging
> > eviscerated
> > > > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-
> > cutting
> > > > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of the
> > text and
> > > > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks postage
> > money
> > > > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The Rymer
> > > > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three years
> > or so,
> > > > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But the
> > detailed
> > > > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern
> > with
> > > > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      
>

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#4209 From: Jess Nevins <jjnevins@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 6:11 pm
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FWIW, I'll be doing a scholarly edition of The Skeleton Horseman
for Udolpho Press (http://www.udolphopress.com/) in 2010 or 2011.

Jess N.

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#4208 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: The Skeleton Horseman [1 Attachment] 		charleywag
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Hi Terry,
I don't recall seeing that picture on the Ono microfilm of Skeleton Crew, so it must not have been a reprint under a different title but two separate works. I only have a few pages of text but the main characters are Wildfire Ned and Rambling Rob. I think the Skeleton Horseman was published first, followed by the Skeleton Crew. Wildfire Ned is often referred to by Victorian detractors as a title in its own right.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 9:28
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman [1 Attachment]
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com

> Hi,
> THANKS for this.  I've attached the small scan I have from The
> Skeleton Horseman and I think the Skeleton Crew is a follow-
> up[?]. 
>  
> Wanted to find out more about the plot/characters.  I know there
> was Red Hand and Paul Peril? 
>  
> At least we are,uh,raising the Skeleton Horseman subject wise!
>  
> Terry
>
> --- On Sun, 6/12/09, John Adcock <ponche@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 15:44
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Terry,
> I posted my 4 poor photocopies of Skeleton Horseman to Photos
> under 'Edwin Brett.' 
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@ yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:03
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] The Skeleton Horseman
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com
>
> > Hi,Jean-Claude.
> > Apparently this is only viewable on micrifilm AT the library! 
> > So close!  But thanks for checking and letting me know -I have
> a
> > few more details.
> >  
> > Regards
> > Terry
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Jean-Claude MICHEL
> > <jcmichel1940@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@ gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] The Skeleton Horseman
> > To: BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 13:51
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Terry...
> >  
> > Try this link:
> >  
> > http://mill1. sjlibrary. org:90/search~ S1?/cPR1271+
> > .E5+no.+M180/ cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180/ -3%2C-1%2C0%
> > 2CE/frameset&FF=cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180&1%2C1%2C
> >  
> > Apparently the text of the play is available but you must
> > suscribe to something ?
> >  
> > Jean-Claude
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper
> <hoopercomicsuk@
> > yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this
> group
> > can help me out?
> >  
> > I have been trying to find information/ plot to "The Skeleton
> > Horseman:Or, The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?]
> > but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an
> > illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
> >  
> > Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
> >  
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Terry
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      

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#4207 From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: The Skeleton Horseman 		hoopercomicsuk
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Hi,
THANKS for this.  I've attached the small scan I have from The Skeleton Horseman and I think the Skeleton Crew is a follow-up[?]. 
 
Wanted to find out more about the plot/characters.  I know there was Red Hand and Paul Peril? 
 
At least we are,uh,raising the Skeleton Horseman subject wise!
 
Terry

--- On Sun, 6/12/09, John Adcock <ponche@...> wrote:

From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 15:44

 
Hi Terry,
I posted my 4 poor photocopies of Skeleton Horseman to Photos under 'Edwin Brett.' 
John

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@ yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:03
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] The Skeleton Horseman
To: BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com

> Hi,Jean-Claude.
> Apparently this is only viewable on micrifilm AT the library! 
> So close!  But thanks for checking and letting me know -I have a
> few more details.
>  
> Regards
> Terry
>
> --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Jean-Claude MICHEL
> <jcmichel1940@ gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@ gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] The Skeleton Horseman
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 13:51
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> Hello Terry...
>  
> Try this link:
>  
> http://mill1. sjlibrary. org:90/search~ S1?/cPR1271+
> .E5+no.+M180/ cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180/ -3%2C-1%2C0%
> 2CE/frameset&FF=cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180&1%2C1%2C
>  
> Apparently the text of the play is available but you must
> suscribe to something ?
>  
> Jean-Claude
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group
> can help me out?
>  
> I have been trying to find information/ plot to "The Skeleton
> Horseman:Or, The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?]
> but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an
> illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
>  
> Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Terry
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      


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#4206 From: "charleywag" <ponche@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: The Skeleton Horseman 		charleywag
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I should have mentioned that mine are from the Skeleton Crew, however its
probable that they were either the same (Skeleton Crew a reprint) or one is a
sequel.
John

--- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, John Adcock <ponche@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
> I posted my 4 poor photocopies of Skeleton Horseman to Photos under 'Edwin
Brett.' 
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:03
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hi,Jean-Claude.
> > Apparently this is only viewable on micrifilm AT the library! 
> > So close!  But thanks for checking and letting me know -I have a
> > few more details.
> >  
> > Regards
> > Terry
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Jean-Claude MICHEL
> > <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@...>
> > Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
> > To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 13:51
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Terry...
> >  
> > Try this link:
> >  
> > http://mill1. sjlibrary. org:90/search~ S1?/cPR1271+
> > .E5+no.+M180/ cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180/ -3%2C-1%2C0%
> > 2CE/frameset&FF=cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180&1%2C1%2C
> >  
> > Apparently the text of the play is available but you must
> > suscribe to something ?
> >  
> > Jean-Claude
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@
> > yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group
> > can help me out?
> >  
> > I have been trying to find information/ plot to "The Skeleton
> > Horseman:Or, The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?]
> > but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an
> > illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
> >  
> > Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
> >  
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Terry
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      
>

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#4205 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: The Skeleton Horseman 		charleywag
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Hi Terry,
I posted my 4 poor photocopies of Skeleton Horseman to Photos under 'Edwin Brett.' 
John

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:03
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com

> Hi,Jean-Claude.
> Apparently this is only viewable on micrifilm AT the library! 
> So close!  But thanks for checking and letting me know -I have a
> few more details.
>  
> Regards
> Terry
>
> --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Jean-Claude MICHEL
> <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@...>
> Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 13:51
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> Hello Terry...
>  
> Try this link:
>  
> http://mill1. sjlibrary. org:90/search~ S1?/cPR1271+
> .E5+no.+M180/ cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180/ -3%2C-1%2C0%
> 2CE/frameset&FF=cpr+1271+ e5+no+m180&1%2C1%2C
>  
> Apparently the text of the play is available but you must
> suscribe to something ?
>  
> Jean-Claude
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group
> can help me out?
>  
> I have been trying to find information/ plot to "The Skeleton
> Horseman:Or, The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?]
> but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an
> illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
>  
> Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Terry
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      

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#4204 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sweeney Todd dig 		charleywag
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There is an earlier version of the French Cabard drama with one illustration from no. 222 of Drames Judiciares  >


John


----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Gilbert <justingilb@...>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:59
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com

> Hello [I don't even know your name],
>  
> I assume you have looked at Mack's Sweeney Todd book.  Have you
> come across any early versions of the story (i.e. pre 1820 or
> so) that he missed.  I am especially interested in early French
> versions that locate this story in Paris (like de Breul, if I
> remember is name correctly).  Have you come across anything
> earlier than de Breul?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Justin
>
>
> --- On Sun, 12/6/09, roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...>
> Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:48 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer to
> the "Sweeney Todd dig" thread, but I came aware of this Group's
> existence only yesterday. I'm French and a collector of Tod
> Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include the literary
> and stage sources of his characterizations. ..
>
> BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost 1300
> pages!)
> I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and his
> accomplice Pierre Miquelon:
>
> LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
> "Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
> Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
> 3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in
> three volumes - but I saw also the same book in four volumes)
> No date - but probably published in the 1890s
>
> It's a collection of several novels:
> L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat -
> 1909 pages (the authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-
> Lara' s "L'auberge rouge", starring Fernandel, Françoise Rosay
> and Julien Carette. This novel even contains a much longer
> version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the beginning
> and closing of the movie!
> followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
> L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
> L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel forms
> the totality of the third volume...). This is of course the
> Barbabé Cabard / Pierre Miquelon story.
>
> Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe
> century, but in the 1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site of
> action is the Gobelins quarter in Paris.
>
> The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every 8
> pages, I plan to send some in the Photos section of this Group.
>
> --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, "florian42003"
> <rlmack5@... > wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of some
> kind
> > (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the
> ingenious
> > means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric
> history at
> > least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas
> Deloney,
> > who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of
> Reading'
> > (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who
> regularly
> > rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like that
> which
> > later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to
> their
> > death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's portrayal
> of the
> > collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the
> eager
> > encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced
> Shakespeare
> > when writing his Macbeth. So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may very
> well
> > be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
> >
> >
> > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, John Adcock
> <ponche@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15 volumes.
> Possibly
> > an earlier version of yours ?
> > > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres anciennes
> et
> > modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de lettres,
> sous la
> > direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info: Paris, L.
> Rosier, 1834-
> > 35.
> > > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know. Probably I
> will
> > ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There is no
> > mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll try to
> get to
> > this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and report back.
> > > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate
> Rymer's
> > Sweeney anyhow.
> > > Thanks, Bill !
> > > John.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@ >
> > > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] Sweeney Todd dig
> > >
> > > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the
> French
> > > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read
> appears in
> > the
> > > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes
> Celebres
> > > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par Charles
> > > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set of
> highly
> > > > dramatized accounts of historic French political
> malfeasance of
> > > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed for
> binding
> > > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of Time.
> Many of
> > > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and
> portraits)
> > > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout is
> of
> > wholly
> > > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154 (accompanied
> by two
> > > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre
> Miquelon and
> > > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of two
> > > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put up
> at a
> > > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois, whose
> > > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A
> wealthy
> > > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre Miquelon,
> whom
> > > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande
> celebrite; ses
> > > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris affluait
> chez
> > le
> > > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> > cherchaient
> > > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient en
> meme
> > > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses
> rivaux." Tasty
> > > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in no
> one
> > > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the two
> students
> > > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities
> seeking
> > the
> > > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other recent
> Cabard
> > > > clients. An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient
> victims
> > > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging
> eviscerated
> > > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-
> cutting
> > > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of the
> text and
> > > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks postage
> money
> > > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The Rymer
> > > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three years
> or so,
> > > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But the
> detailed
> > > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern
> with
> > > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      

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#4203 From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 2:03 pm
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Hi,Jean-Claude.
Apparently this is only viewable on micrifilm AT the library!  So close!  But thanks for checking and letting me know -I have a few more details.
 
Regards
Terry

--- On Sun, 6/12/09, Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:

From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@...>
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] The Skeleton Horseman
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 13:51

 
Hello Terry...
 
Try this link:
 
 
Apparently the text of the play is available but you must suscribe to something ?
 
Jean-Claude

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group can help me out?
 
I have been trying to find information/ plot to "The Skeleton Horseman:Or, The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?] but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
 
Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
 
Thanks in advance,
Terry
 
 




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#4202 From: Jean-Claude MICHEL <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: The Skeleton Horseman 		roazon1940
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Hello Terry...
 
Try this link:
 
 
Apparently the text of the play is available but you must suscribe to something ?
 
Jean-Claude

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...> wrote:
 

I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group can help me out?
 
I have been trying to find information/plot to "The Skeleton Horseman:Or,The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?] but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
 
Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
 
Thanks in advance,
Terry
 
 



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#4201 From: Terry Hooper <hoopercomicsuk@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:23 pm
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I wondered whether any of the more learned members of this group can help me out?
 
I have been trying to find information/plot to "The Skeleton Horseman:Or,The Shadow Of Death"  I know it was a weekly [?] but that's it!  Have had a fascination with it since seeing an illo reproduced in a book by Peter Haining.
 
Even if its a link to an internet site it'd still be welcome.
 
Thanks in advance,
Terry
 
 


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#4200 From: Justin Gilbert <justingilb@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 12:59 pm
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Hello [I don't even know your name],
 
I assume you have looked at Mack's Sweeney Todd book.  Have you come across any early versions of the story (i.e. pre 1820 or so) that he missed.  I am especially interested in early French versions that locate this story in Paris (like de Breul, if I remember is name correctly).  Have you come across anything earlier than de Breul?
 
Regards,
 
Justin


--- On Sun, 12/6/09, roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...> wrote:

From: roazon1940 <jcmichel1940@...>
Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Re: Sweeney Todd dig
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:48 AM

 
First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer to the "Sweeney Todd dig" thread, but I came aware of this Group's existence only yesterday. I'm French and a collector of Tod Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include the literary and stage sources of his characterizations. ..

BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost 1300 pages!)

I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and his accomplice Pierre Miquelon:

LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
"Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in three volumes - but I saw also the same book in four volumes)
No date - but probably published in the 1890s

It's a collection of several novels:
L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat - 1909 pages (the authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-Lara' s "L'auberge rouge", starring Fernandel, Françoise Rosay and Julien Carette. This novel even contains a much longer version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the beginning and closing of the movie!
followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel forms the totality of the third volume...). This is of course the Barbabé Cabard / Pierre Miquelon story.

Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe century, but in the 1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site of action is the Gobelins quarter in Paris.

The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every 8 pages, I plan to send some in the Photos section of this Group.

--- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, "florian42003" <rlmack5@... > wrote:
>
> Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of some kind
> (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the ingenious
> means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric history at
> least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas Deloney,
> who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of Reading'
> (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who regularly
> rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like that which
> later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to their
> death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's portrayal of the
> collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the eager
> encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced Shakespeare
> when writing his Macbeth. So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may very well
> be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
>
>
> --- In BloodsandDimeNovels @yahoogroups. com, John Adcock <ponche@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15 volumes. Possibly
> an earlier version of yours ?
> > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres anciennes et
> modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de lettres, sous la
> direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info: Paris, L. Rosier, 1834-
> 35.
> > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know. Probably I will
> ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There is no
> mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll try to get to
> this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and report back.
> > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate Rymer's
> Sweeney anyhow.
> > Thanks, Bill !
> > John.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@ >
> > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovel s] Sweeney Todd dig
> >
> > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the French
> > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read appears in
> the
> > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes Celebres
> > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par Charles
> > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set of highly
> > > dramatized accounts of historic French political malfeasance of
> > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed for binding
> > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of Time. Many of
> > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and portraits)
> > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout is of
> wholly
> > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154 (accompanied by two
> > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre Miquelon and
> > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of two
> > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put up at a
> > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois, whose
> > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A wealthy
> > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre Miquelon, whom
> > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande celebrite; ses
> > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris affluait chez
> le
> > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> cherchaient
> > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient en meme
> > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses rivaux." Tasty
> > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in no one
> > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the two students
> > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities seeking
> the
> > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other recent Cabard
> > > clients. An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient victims
> > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging eviscerated
> > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-cutting
> > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of the text and
> > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks postage money
> > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The Rymer
> > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three years or so,
> > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But the detailed
> > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern with
> > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > >
> > >
> >
>



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#4199 From: "roazon1940" <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 12:53 pm
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I just posted seven illustrations from the Jules Beaujoint version of Barnabé
Cabard story in the "photos" section.

--- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, "roazon1940" <jcmichel1940@...>
wrote:
>
> First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer to the "Sweeney
Todd dig" thread, but I came aware of this Group's existence only yesterday. I'm
French and a collector of Tod Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include
the literary and stage sources of his characterizations...
>
> BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost 1300 pages!)
>
> I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and his accomplice
Pierre Miquelon:
>
> LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
> "Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
> Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
> 3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in three volumes -
but I saw also the same book in four volumes)
> No date - but probably published in the 1890s
>
> It's a collection of several novels:
> L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat  -  1909 pages
(the authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-Lara's "L'auberge rouge",
starring Fernandel, Françoise Rosay and Julien Carette. This novel even contains
a much longer version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the beginning and
closing of the movie!
> followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
>               L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
>               L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel forms
the totality of the third volume...). This is of course the Barbabé Cabard /
Pierre Miquelon story.
>
> Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe century, but in the
1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site of action is the Gobelins quarter in
Paris.
>
> The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every 8 pages, I plan to
send some in the Photos section of this Group.
>
>
> --- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, "florian42003" <rlmack5@> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of some kind
> > (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the ingenious
> > means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric history at
> > least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas Deloney,
> > who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of Reading'
> > (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who regularly
> > rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like that which
> > later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to their
> > death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's portrayal of the
> > collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the eager
> > encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced Shakespeare
> > when writing his Macbeth.  So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may very well
> > be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
> >
> >
> > --- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, John Adcock <ponche@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15 volumes. Possibly
> > an earlier version of yours ?
> > > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres anciennes et
> > modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de lettres, sous la
> > direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info:  Paris, L. Rosier, 1834-
> > 35.
> > > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know. Probably I will
> > ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There is no
> > mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll try to get to
> > this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and report back.
> > > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate Rymer's
> > Sweeney anyhow.
> > > Thanks, Bill !
> > > John.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@>
> > > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Sweeney Todd dig
> > >
> > > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the French
> > > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read appears in
> > the
> > > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes Celebres
> > > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par Charles
> > > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set of highly
> > > > dramatized accounts of historic French political malfeasance of
> > > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed for binding
> > > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of Time. Many of
> > > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and portraits)
> > > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout is of
> > wholly
> > > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154 (accompanied by two
> > > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre Miquelon and
> > > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of two
> > > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put up at a
> > > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois, whose
> > > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A  wealthy
> > > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre Miquelon, whom
> > > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande celebrite; ses
> > > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris affluait chez
> > le
> > > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> > cherchaient
> > > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient en meme
> > > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses rivaux." Tasty
> > > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in no one
> > > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the two students
> > > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities seeking
> > the
> > > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other recent Cabard
> > > > clients.  An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient victims
> > > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging eviscerated
> > > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-cutting
> > > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of the text and
> > > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks postage money
> > > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The Rymer
> > > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three years or so,
> > > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But the detailed
> > > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern with
> > > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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#4198 From: "roazon1940" <jcmichel1940@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Sweeney Todd dig 		roazon1940
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First of all please forgive me for the much delayed answer to the "Sweeney Todd
dig" thread, but I came aware of this Group's existence only yesterday. I'm
French and a collector of Tod Slaughter memorabilia and this of course include
the literary and stage sources of his characterizations...

BARNABE CABARD / PIERRE MIQUELON : another version (almost 1300 pages!)

I have another version of the story of Barnabé Cabard and his accomplice Pierre
Miquelon:

LES AUBERGES SANGLANTES - par Jules Beaujoint
"Ouvrage illustré de nombreuses et belles gravures"
Arthème FAYARD, Editeur, 78, boulevard Saint-Michel, Paris
3756 pages (probably published in fascicules, then binded in three volumes - but
I saw also the same book in four volumes)
No date - but probably published in the 1890s

It's a collection of several novels:
L'auberge de Peirebeilhe (Pierrebille) - 26 ans d'assassinat  -  1909 pages (the
authentic case which inspired Claude Autant-Lara's "L'auberge rouge", starring
Fernandel, Françoise Rosay and Julien Carette. This novel even contains a much
longer version of the old song sung by Yves Montand at the beginning and closing
of the movie!
followed by : Les descendants de Leblanc (pages 1910 à 2286)
               L'auberge aux tueurs (pages 2286 à 2466)
               L'auberge des Trois Rois (pages 2467 à 3756) (this novel forms the
totality of the third volume...). This is of course the Barbabé Cabard / Pierre
Miquelon story.

Curiously this version of the story is not located in XVe century, but in the
1770s during Louis XV's reign. The site of action is the Gobelins quarter in
Paris.

The collection of novels has a full-page illustration every 8 pages, I plan to
send some in the Photos section of this Group.


--- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, "florian42003" <rlmack5@...> wrote:
>
> Incidentally, the device of a trick item of furniture of some kind
> (in this earlier instance, not a chair, but a bed) by the ingenious
> means of which people are murdered traces its folkloric history at
> least as far back as the work of an English writer, Thomas Deloney,
> who in his sixteenth-century prose narrative 'Thomas of Reading'
> (1610) includes an account of a husband and wife team who regularly
> rob their guests by means of 'machine' strikingly like that which
> later shows up in Todd (the bed upturns and slides them to their
> death in a cellar below). Interestingly, Deloney's portrayal of the
> collusion of the married couple in the story -- and of the eager
> encouragement of the wife -- may also have influenced Shakespeare
> when writing his Macbeth.  So Sweeney Todd and Macbeth may very well
> be related to one another! Kinda cool, that!
>
>
> --- In BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com, John Adcock <ponche@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> > First I should check this out, a periodical in 15 volumes. Possibly
> an earlier version of yours ?
> > R�pertoire g�n�ral des causes c�l�bres anciennes et
> modernes, r�dig� par une soci�t� d'hommes de lettres, sous la
> direction de B. Saint-Edme. Publication info:  Paris, L. Rosier, 1834-
> 35.
> > If Barnabe Cabard appears here I'll let you know. Probably I will
> ask for your photocopies, let me check this first. There is no
> mention of illustrations but maybe I'll get lucky. I'll try to get to
> this in the next few days before I go on a holiday, and report back.
> > If Cabard and his magical chair is here it would predate Rymer's
> Sweeney anyhow.
> > Thanks, Bill !
> > John.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Blackbeard <billblackbeard@>
> > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:27 pm
> > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Sweeney Todd dig
> >
> > > Hi, John, Florian, et al -- Has anyone looked into the French
> > > Sweeney Todd, Barnabe Cabard? The account I've read appears in
> the
> > > serially published Drames Judiciares portion of Causes Celebres
> > > des Tous les Peuples, Premier Serie, redigee par Charles
> > > Dupressoir, pubbed through 1849 and beyond. This set of highly
> > > dramatized accounts of historic French political malfeasance of
> > > the bloodier kind and famed murder cases was printed for binding
> > > in periodic rag paper pamphlets about the size of Time. Many of
> > > the cases covered (with well drawn illustrations and portraits)
> > > are quite well known, and the presentation throughout is of
> wholly
> > > factual goings-on. On pages 149 through 154 (accompanied by two
> > > fine and very ghastly illustrations) appears "Pierre Miquelon and
> > > Barnabe Cabard," which tells of the tracing in 1415 of two
> > > vanished Spanish students who in a visit to France put up at a
> > > Parisian inn and restaurant called Les Trois Rois, whose
> > > proprietor, Cabard, also served as the local barber. A  wealthy
> > > Paris investor in the inn was one baker, Pierre Miquelon, whom
> > > Dupressoir (?) says "avait aussi acquis und grande celebrite; ses
> > > pates etaient tellement succulents que tout Paris affluait chez
> le
> > > patissier du mont Saint-Hilaire. En vain ses confreres
> cherchaient
> > > a decouvrir son secret ... cette saveur qui faisaient en meme
> > > temps la gloire de Miquelon et le desespoir be ses rivaux." Tasty
> > > pies, that is, with a great flavor that was found in no one
> > > else's. Cabard's flipover barber chair murder of the two students
> > > (separately, one assumes) was uncovered by authorities seeking
> the
> > > two 'disparus" -- plus carved-up cadavers of other recent Cabard
> > > clients.  An estimate of all Cabard-Miquelon ingredient victims
> > > amounted to 143. The two illustrations depict hanging eviscerated
> > > corpses chez Cabard and the skilled barber in throat-cutting
> > > action at his chair. I can supply a photocopy set of the text and
> > > art to those (John?) interested for a coupla bucks postage money
> > > apiece. Or is this all old stuff to some of you? The Rymer
> > > thriller precedes this "true" account by some three years or so,
> > > so we do not have an ur-Sweeney Todd next here, But the detailed
> > > use of a French locale and the general tone of concern with
> > > historic accuracy throughout the Drames Judiciares
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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#4197 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 3:18 am
Subject: The New Mysteries of London 		charleywag
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One more Mysteries title >

“The New Mysteries of London,” published in 1860 by J. Berger from 13 Catherine Street. The title -page mentions no author but says “Illustrated by Hablot K. Browne, Esq. (Phiz.)”  

Robert Temple Booksellers listed a book for sale some time ago called “Reminisences of a Rascal and Coster Ballads” (c. 1875) which was by O. P. Q. Philander Smiff (i.e. Aglen A. Dowty) author of “New Mysteries of London.” New Mysteries is part of the Ono Collection and ran for 22 nos., 176 pages.

John


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#4196 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: RE: Digest Number 1375 		charleywag
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Hi M.,
Not an English city but inspired by Mysteries of London: The Mysteries of Montreal a Novel founded on Facts By *** Published in Montreal Quebec by H. H. Cunningham, 1846. I posted the cover to Photos in the 'Eugene Sue' folder. Not as good as Reynolds Mysteries it's a melodramatic, sometimes grisly tale completed in fifteen parts at 7 1/2d. each. No illustrations. Probably difficult to find a copy outside Canada.
John

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Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 12:24
Subject: RE: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Digest Number 1375
To: notify-dg-bloodsanddimenovels@yahoogroups.com, bloodsanddimenovels@yahoogroups.com

>
> Hello all,
>
> I am looking for titles of penny dreadfuls or popular books in
> english written on London or other english cities in the spirit
> of The Mysteries of London and The Mysteries of Paris. I am
> particularly interested in the first generation of
> "mysterymania" from 1840's, 1850's, but I am looking for titles
> of later XIXth century. Can someone help me in my search please?
>
> Sorry for my poor english.
>
> ML.
>
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#4195 From: "M. Letourneux" <testadipietra@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: Re:New file uploaded to BloodsandDimeNovels 		lavarede2
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Hello all,

I am looking for titles of penny dreadfuls or popular books in english written on London or other english cities in the spirit of The Mysteries of London and The Mysteries of Paris. I am particularly interested in the first generation of "mysterymania" from 1840's, 1850's, but I am looking for titles of later XIXth century (until 1900). Can someone help me in my search please?

Sorry for my poor english.

ML.


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#4194 From: "M. Letourneux" <testadipietra@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:24 pm
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Hello all,

I am looking for titles of penny dreadfuls or popular books in english written on London or other english cities in the spirit of The Mysteries of London and The Mysteries of Paris. I am particularly interested in the first generation of "mysterymania" from 1840's, 1850's, but I am looking for titles of later XIXth century. Can someone help me in my search please?

Sorry for my poor english.

ML.

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#4193 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:56 pm
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Strangely enough Peeps into the Past is still online, I got there through a University website link:


John

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#4192 From: Steve Holland <steve@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Is Peter Ross still around? 		uworldst
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Hi Marie,

You're more than welcome to any of speculation I've posted to Peter (on
and off list) if Peter is agreeable to passing it on. And good to hear,
Peter, that your massive work on Jack Sheppard is on its way. What with
that, plus Mike Dash's Spring Heeled Jack tomb, it's going to be a good
year for those of us interested in old PDs and their heroes.

Kindest regards,

Steve

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#4191 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Reynolds's Miscellany Title-List 		charleywag
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Hi Marie,
You also had an interest in Reynolds's Miscellany. I attempted a list of titles for this publication from the first few volumes and the rest from microfilm. The list is incomplete but is posted here with photos >


John 

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#4190 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:43 pm
Subject: Romancist Library in Photos 		charleywag
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I posted the photocopies to Photos since this might be of interest to others on the list as well.
John

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#4189 From: John Adcock <ponche@...>
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That was it. XIX century fiction, a bibliographical record based on his own collection Michael Sadleir New York : Cooper Square Publishers, 1969, 2 vols. Lots of Yellowbacks, 'Anonyma' titles and Libraries. 

John


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From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:24
Subject: Re: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Periodical indexes
To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com

> Hi John!
>
> Great! I did a quick Google Books search, and could that book either
> "The supernatural index: a listing of fantasy, supernatural, occult,
> weird ..." by Michael Ashley and William Contento or "XIX century
> fiction: a bibliographical record based on his own ..." by Michael
> Sadleir?
>
> Marie, xxx
>
> 2009/11/21 John Adcock <ponche@...>
> >
> >
> > Hi Marie,
> > I have an index of titles to the Romancist and Novelist's
> Library (1839-1842)which I'll post to photos possibly later
> today. It is an interesting list and I can't recall the name of
> the book I photocopied it from.
> > It was published by J. Clements and "edited by William Hazlitt
> (?). Lots of Gothics and oddly enough two of the earliest
> 'bloods,' The Gipsey's Warning; or, Love and Ruin by H. J.
> Copson and Eliza Grimwood: a Domestic legend of the Waterloo
> Road by anon.
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
> > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:06
> > Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Periodical indexes
> > To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I have been looking Steve's Story Paper Index, but it
> doesn't cover
> > > the periodicals in which I am interested:
> > >
> > > - Reynolds's Miscellany;
> > > - Lloyd's Entertaining Journal;
> > > - The Romancist, and Novelist's Library;
> > > - The Novel Newspaper;
> > > - The Standard Works of Fiction of all Countries;
> > > - Pattie's Pocket Library;
> > > - The Novelist.
> > >
> > > Only the first is available through ProQuest's British
> > > Periodicals. Do
> > > you know if indexes of these exist? Where could I find them?
> > >
> > > Thank you very much!
> > >
> > > Marie, xxx
>

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#4188 From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: Periodical indexes 		marie_anik
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Good news!

I have found some form of indexing in Sadleir's bibliography in
Section 3 ('Novelist's Libraries' 'Standard Novels' 'The Parlour
Library' and other cloth (or cloth and board) bound fiction (or
part-fiction) series).

It includes titles and authors for
> - The Novel Newspaper;
> - The Romancist, and Novelist's Library;

Sadleir, Michael. XIX Century Fiction: A Bibliographical Record Based
on His Own Collection. London: Constable, 1951.

Marie, xxx

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#4187 From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: Periodical indexes 		marie_anik
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Hi John!

Great! I did a quick Google Books search, and could that book either
"The supernatural index: a listing of fantasy, supernatural, occult,
weird ..." by Michael Ashley and William Contento or "XIX century
fiction: a bibliographical record based on his own ..." by Michael
Sadleir?

Marie, xxx

2009/11/21 John Adcock <ponche@...>
>
>
> Hi Marie,
> I have an index of titles to the Romancist and Novelist's Library
(1839-1842)which I'll post to photos possibly later today. It is an interesting
list and I can't recall the name of the book I photocopied it from.
> It was published by J. Clements and "edited by William Hazlitt (?). Lots of
Gothics and oddly enough two of the earliest 'bloods,' The Gipsey's Warning; or,
Love and Ruin by H. J. Copson and Eliza Grimwood: a Domestic legend of the
Waterloo Road by anon.
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marie Léger-St-Jean <marie.leger.st.jean@...>
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:06
> Subject: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Periodical indexes
> To: BloodsandDimeNovels@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have been looking Steve's Story Paper Index, but it doesn't cover
> > the periodicals in which I am interested:
> >
> > - Reynolds's Miscellany;
> > - Lloyd's Entertaining Journal;
> > - The Romancist, and Novelist's Library;
> > - The Novel Newspaper;
> > - The Standard Works of Fiction of all Countries;
> > - Pattie's Pocket Library;
> > - The Novelist.
> >
> > Only the first is available through ProQuest's British
> > Periodicals. Do
> > you know if indexes of these exist? Where could I find them?
> >
> > Thank you very much!
> >
> > Marie, xxx

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#4186 From: Mark Bennett <mark_weaveband@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Exact dates and authorship for The Mysteries of London 		nirvanoid
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Thanks Justin,

Sounds like the explanation that occured to me for the wikipedia image was correct, as you say. Though it was, I think, negligent of me to suggest that the Magazine title may have been a myth based purely on a wikipedia item - in my defence, this subject wasn't my primary concern at the time.

Mark

Mark Bennett

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Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences
The University of Glamorgan




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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:15:37 -0800
Subject: RE: [BloodsandDimeNovels] Exact dates and authorship for The Mysteries of London

 
Hello again,
 
this should me my last email for today.  Re the Reynolds's Miscellany/Reynolds's Magazine confusion, I came across the description of an item that Robert Temple had for sale at one point (see below).
 
So, Reynolds's Miscellany started life (briefly, for 4 numbers) as Reynolds's Magazine.  When these were reprinted and sold as bound volumes (like my copy, which is dressed in a red cloth publisher's binding), the title on these first 4 numbers was changed to Reynolds's Magazine.  Mark, you were exactly right, and this explains the image on the Wikipedia.  There was also, I believe, a short lived rival publication by Vickers, but I don't recall the details at the moment.
 
Justin
 
 
 
 REYNOLDS'S MISCELLANY, Of Romance, general
      literature, science, and art. Edited by George W.M. Reynolds, Author of
      "The Mysteries of London," "Faust," "Pickwick Abroad," "Master Timothy's
      Bookcase," "The Parricide," "Robert Macaire," "The Modern Literature Of
      France," etc. etc. etc. With Numerous Wood Engravings. [Vol.I.] Vol. II.
      Published for the proprietor, by John Dicks, at the office, No.7,
      Wellington Street North, Strand, [1846] 1847. 2 Vols. in one, roy.8vo;
      half title present to each volume, but lacking the Index and Illustrated
      Title leaves to volume one, which were sold separately, price 1d.;
      numerous illustrations on text paper; contemporary half-roan, marbled
      boards. Roan a little rubbed and splitting, and with neat repair to upper
      joints; marbled sides rubbed; back somewhat bowed; a few leaves
      remargined, without loss of text, and a little fingering, more or less
      confined to the early leaves of volume one; otherwise in general nice. An
      acceptable copy of two of the three volumes of the first series of an
      important periodical, complete volumes of which, in either series, are now
      hard to find.
      The first four numbers of Volume I. were originally published under the
      title `Reynolds's Magazine'. With the completion of the first volume, they
      were reprinted with the amended title for binding up into volumes. The
      present copy includes the corrected version of numbers 1 and 3, but the
      originals of numbers 2 and 4, this copy having evidently been made up from
      the 1d. weekly numbers rather than the 6d. monthly parts into which they
      were later gathered with the addition of Illustrated Wrappers, or being a
      rebind of the annual volumes, which, at the end of each year, were offered
      in publisher's cloth. (Binding cases were also on sale, price 1s. 3d.) The
      first volume, and the first thirty-eight numbers of the second volume
      (running to Saturday July 24th, 1847), include the complete text of
      Reynolds's famous story `Wagner: the Wehr-Wolf', whilst with number 30 of
      volume two commences `The Days of Hogarth: Or, The Mysteries of Old
      London' also by Reynolds, both of the stories being here first printed;
      included besides are numerous stories, poems, etc., as well as a good deal
      of more general material by other authors. `Wagner: the Wehr-Wolf' was
      first issued separately in penny numbers, commencing Wednesday, November
      10th, 1847; `The Days of Hogarth' was completed in the `Miscellany' in
      1848, but not issued separately until 1850.



 



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