Thanks Chris, this is right down the road from me. I might have to
investigate this.

TV

Speed shops are not as all as good as in TX where my buddy took my advice and
cut the tab in half, here on LI ny SK Speed shop in Lindenhurst will sell 5
gallon cans for 55 plus tax

If you are in TX and near/in Houston go to

HYPER FUELS
12969 west hardy
houston

281-447-7200-7202
877-447-7207

His name is dave and he has ethanol (95 ethanol, 5% meth mix to denature it), or
pure meths. No other additives since this is used to octane boost, or 12 ounces
can be added to most engines as gas line antifreeze, so additives are not good.

please tell him Chris in NY sent you. I get no perks , but it might get him to
sell smaller units at better price if he knows what his customer base is.

His price to me delivered is the same as local higher price with tax, so I will
go local.

Hope this helps someone.

chris

Hi all,

Do check out Speed shops many will sell it by the gallon (you bring in a gallon
jug/can/whaever.

here is gig's letter to me
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Chris;

I followed your advise and found a speed shop that had both Ethanol and Methanol
by the gallon, yesterday.... I bought two gallons of 99.95% Methanol alcohol
yesterday for $8... a quart of denatured alcohol from Home Depot costs me $7, so
a gallon of Methanol that costs $8 is a good savings for me...

I calculate that this gallon of Methanol will give me about 22 months of
scrambling my morning egg with herbs and bacon bits...

The second gallon of Methanol, was for my wife... we assembled her a stove top
too, yesterday, out of house hold items laying around.   There was a large
ceramic bowl, a smaller, shallow, copper dish that fit inside the larger ceramic
dish, and we found a circular grid piece that fit on top, to hold the pots or
skillets over the burning alcohol. She even went across the street to the
dumpster to get an empty can of beer to make the burner part that holds the
alcohol.  Her stove is more elegant than mine, because of the ceramic bowl, but
it works the same.  The Methanol works about the same as the denatured
alcohol...

Thanks for the advice for alcohol sources...


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This gent  has lotsa solar stuff and cooks his eggs and such every day on a
simple burner made for alks.  8 Schadoles a gallon is half what we pay around
here if bought in quarts. And Airbrake Antifreeze is best cause it is pure. I
used Denatured the other day and it screwed up my burner, brown gunk like Tinny
(minibull desighns), crowed about. Tinny is spot on with many ideas, Air Brake
antifreeze is one of them.

christie

I have been cooking in the backcountry with home-distilled ethanol in a
home-made pop can stove for several years. Works great. If you make a good
fractionating column still with reflux, you can produce very refined spirits at
93% or 186 proof. I started distilling because I had a 100 gallons of homemade
wine that spoiled. I dont do it anymore and I got rid of the still.

   Its expensive to make ethanol from wine if you were simply making it for fuel,
but its cheap to make rum from fermented sugar and molasses. You will have to
burn a bunch of propane to run the still. You can even drink the product if you
know what you're doing and if you water it down. Drinking 186 proof will hurt
your throat pretty bad. I dont drink the stuff anymore myself, just use it for
fuel.

Oh and some of our home made wine was excellent by the way.

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "christiepontello"
<christiepontello@...> wrote:
>
> 30 years ago when I made my own beer it was 200 gallons, same for wine, and
that is a rip off cause it takes a lot less wine then beer to get the desired
effect, drunk.
>
> Never since licenses were required has it been legal to produce drinkable
alcohol for person use, EVER.
>
> what they do not know and don't find out is fine if you want to. If you take
the timne to set up a proper still, even for ethanol for alternative power you
need to denature it as it is made, so say putting 10 gallons of pure methanol in
a big drum then distilling 40 galllons of pure white ethyl into it, will work.
Keep good records and make sure to register your still.
>
> If you choose the how will they find it, you are right, they will probably
never ever find you. ESPECIALLY now that you can buy brandy making stills that
you put a bottle or two of red/white wine into and happly boil off the alcohol
are available on the net. Plans abound as well.
>
> I stopped making beer because I found dinklacker dark and light,(oolor not
calorie count).  Icould never keep up with the need, nor could my friends.
>
> but do as you like and I will gladly come by and sample any home brewed beer
you make, wines as well. I have had some good homebrews but never ever a good
wine.
>
> chris
>
> --- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "JohnF" <johnf4303@> wrote:
> >
> > Realistically, if you're not making tons (literally) and not selling it
without a license, they won't care. I know the limit for beer/ale is 60 gallons
a year; more than ten batches a year is a lot for a hobbyist.
> >
> > I've made beer, roomies have made wine and squeeze, white lightning, apple
jack, (pretty close to) everclear, etc, and no red tape or official notice. I
like taking homebrew pony kegs and 24 bottle boxes when I go to parties. Tell
people it's a science experiment, and have at it.
> >
> > I don't think the equations have changed (since the '70s Whole Earth Catalog
among other sources): making alcohol fuel is not really viable at less than
neighborhood/village level, because of the amount of work needed for even one
family's supply. For making single-burner stove fuel, it's a (big) experiment in
progress, but no great fuss. May or may not turn out to be worth your effort
several seasons down the line, other than as an experiment.
> >
> > Next time I have my own big garden space, I want to try homegrown tobacco,
and similar rules apply.
> >
>

Reflux doesn't increase the volume, it increases fractionating. this results in
more separation between the various distillates, ie heads and tails. resulting
in greater purity if you use it correctly.

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, Sean Eubanks <clan_eubanks@...> wrote:
>
>   Reflux stove looks good. If I'm looking at this clearly, this is a
> high tech version of what 'shiners called a thumper, that runs the
> process back through itself again to increase the final output volume. I
> think there are no cost plans for this sort of still available on line.
> I'll take a look and get back to y'all.
>
> -S
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1arNgu2n6pU

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2005/07/20/how-to-make-moonshine.htm

At 07:08 AM 07-10-09, Mr. Vickers wrote:
>Darn, I thought the beer limit was 200 gallons a year.
>i might have gone over the 60 gallon limit once or twice

I don't know where JohnF's information comes from, but:

Section 5092 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
(IRC) defines a brewer as a person who brews beer
or produces beer for sale.  Section 5053(e) of
the IRC provides an exemption from Federal excise
tax payment for beer that is produced for personal or family use.

Pursuant to § 5053(e) any adult may, without
payment of tax, produce beer for personal or
family use and not for sale. The aggregate amount
of beer exempt from tax under this subsection
with respect to any household shall not exceed–

(1) 200 gallons per calendar year if there are 2
or more adults in such household, or

(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only 1 adult in such household.

For purposes of this subsection, the term “adult”
means an individual who has attained 18 years of
age, or the minimum age (if any) established by
law applicable in the locality in which the
household is situated at which beer may be sold
to individuals, whichever is greater.

Matthew Takeda
the JOAT

People throw out stoves all the time, take racks, cut them up, also old grills
and mangled grocery carts that supremarkets give up on, or the rods from Ace as
stated by another.

chris

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <chipperxv@...> wrote:
>
> I made the type of integrated pot stand and windscreen out of aluminum
flashing and bicycle spokes that you have probably seen on the web. But my
spokes bend under the weight of a small pot when they get hot. Any suggestions
for something stronger and more heat resistant? The spokes are cut down to about
6 inches in length. Thanks for any help.
> -Terrry
>

30 years ago when I made my own beer it was 200 gallons, same for wine, and that
is a rip off cause it takes a lot less wine then beer to get the desired effect,
drunk.

Never since licenses were required has it been legal to produce drinkable
alcohol for person use, EVER.

what they do not know and don't find out is fine if you want to. If you take the
timne to set up a proper still, even for ethanol for alternative power you need
to denature it as it is made, so say putting 10 gallons of pure methanol in a
big drum then distilling 40 galllons of pure white ethyl into it, will work.
Keep good records and make sure to register your still.

If you choose the how will they find it, you are right, they will probably never
ever find you. ESPECIALLY now that you can buy brandy making stills that you put
a bottle or two of red/white wine into and happly boil off the alcohol are
available on the net. Plans abound as well.

I stopped making beer because I found dinklacker dark and light,(oolor not
calorie count).  Icould never keep up with the need, nor could my friends.

but do as you like and I will gladly come by and sample any home brewed beer you
make, wines as well. I have had some good homebrews but never ever a good wine.

chris

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "JohnF" <johnf4303@...> wrote:
>
> Realistically, if you're not making tons (literally) and not selling it
without a license, they won't care. I know the limit for beer/ale is 60 gallons
a year; more than ten batches a year is a lot for a hobbyist.
>
> I've made beer, roomies have made wine and squeeze, white lightning, apple
jack, (pretty close to) everclear, etc, and no red tape or official notice. I
like taking homebrew pony kegs and 24 bottle boxes when I go to parties. Tell
people it's a science experiment, and have at it.
>
> I don't think the equations have changed (since the '70s Whole Earth Catalog
among other sources): making alcohol fuel is not really viable at less than
neighborhood/village level, because of the amount of work needed for even one
family's supply. For making single-burner stove fuel, it's a (big) experiment in
progress, but no great fuss. May or may not turn out to be worth your effort
several seasons down the line, other than as an experiment.
>
> Next time I have my own big garden space, I want to try homegrown tobacco, and
similar rules apply.
>

Try 3/32 stainless rods from Ace Hardware.  The come 12 in long, 2 per package,
for around $2.00.  I use them cut 6 in long and they never bend (or rust).  They
also sell 2/32 (1/16th in) rods, but I've found they'll bend when hot, at least
under the loads I put on them.  Mike

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "e_l_green" <eric@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <chipperxv@> wrote:
> >
> > I made the type of integrated pot stand and windscreen out of aluminum
flashing and bicycle spokes that you have probably seen on the web. But my
spokes bend under the weight of a small pot when they get hot. Any suggestions
for something stronger and more heat resistant? The spokes are cut down to about
6 inches in length. Thanks for any help.
>
>

Reflux stove looks good. If I'm looking at this clearly, this is a
high tech version of what 'shiners called a thumper, that runs the
process back through itself again to increase the final output volume. I
think there are no cost plans for this sort of still available on line.
I'll take a look and get back to y'all.

-S

Darn, I thought the beer limit was 200 gallons a year.
i might have gone over the 60 gallon limit once or twice

TV

I use tent pegs that serve as both pot holder and structural component
for my 2 piece, flashing built, integrated stand and wind screen. I got
the idea when I saw some folks using the titanium pegs (too ex$pen$ive
for me) as cross pieces in a single piece wind screen to hold the pot
above their stove.  I use 2 pieces of flashing that nest one inside the
other to windscreen my stove and to draft the flame right up alongside
the pot. The pegs fit thru purpose cut holes so as to hold the two
pieces of flashing together and to support the pot above the stove.

-Sean

Terry,

I use 1/8 inch steel rod stock that I get from Home Depot. Not too heavy - about
1/3oz for each 6 inch rod. They last about a season for me before they start to
bend. My pot is a 24oz Heineken can.

Manny

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <chipperxv@...> wrote:
>
> I made the type of integrated pot stand and windscreen out of aluminum
flashing and bicycle spokes that you have probably seen on the web. But my
spokes bend under the weight of a small pot when they get hot. Any suggestions
for something stronger and more heat resistant? The spokes are cut down to about
6 inches in length. Thanks for any help.
> -Terrry
>

--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <chipperxv@...> wrote:
>
> I made the type of integrated pot stand and windscreen out of aluminum
flashing and bicycle spokes that you have probably seen on the web. But my
spokes bend under the weight of a small pot when they get hot. Any suggestions
for something stronger and more heat resistant? The spokes are cut down to about
6 inches in length. Thanks for any help.

I tried making one of those but the crosspieces stumped me. I eventually gave up
on that and made a windscreen out of heavy-duty aluminum foil ( a cut-up oven
liner, actually) and a pot stand of hardware cloth. You can see the photos here
(for an esbit stove, the alcohol stove pot holder is identical but does not have
the cross piece and foil to hold the esbit tablet):

http://badtux.org/home/eric/urandom/tablet.php

The pot holder and esbit tablet holder weighed 0.7 ounces total, and I placed
about 10 pounds on top of it and it did not deform.

After that, I discovered that a) an aluminum foil windscreen is lighter and
easier to pack than the flashing one (since you can fold it fl at), b) a
shorter-squatter pot like the famed Wal-Mart grease pot works better than the
tall skinny Snow Peak cup for boiling 20oz of water for a typical freeze-dried
meal. The end result is needing less fuel and carrying less weight compared to
my tests back then (2002, I believe -- was that really 7 years ago?!).

Realistically, if you're not making tons (literally) and not selling it without
a license, they won't care. I know the limit for beer/ale is 60 gallons a year;
more than ten batches a year is a lot for a hobbyist.

I've made beer, roomies have made wine and squeeze, white lightning, apple jack,
(pretty close to) everclear, etc, and no red tape or official notice. I like
taking homebrew pony kegs and 24 bottle boxes when I go to parties. Tell people
it's a science experiment, and have at it.

I don't think the equations have changed (since the '70s Whole Earth Catalog
among other sources): making alcohol fuel is not really viable at less than
neighborhood/village level, because of the amount of work needed for even one
family's supply. For making single-burner stove fuel, it's a (big) experiment in
progress, but no great fuss. May or may not turn out to be worth your effort
several seasons down the line, other than as an experiment.

Next time I have my own big garden space, I want to try homegrown tobacco, and
similar rules apply.

Who could forget the Great Boston Molasses Disaster!
Good info.  180 proof, I'd like to try that (in my stove, of course!)


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:34 PM, christiepontello <
christiepontello@...> wrote:

>
>
> http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id3.html
>
>
>


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http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id3.html

What you distill rather depends on the purpose of the end product. If
you start with some truly execrable product like MD 20/20 or Thunderbird
(do they still make that?) then you can distill out the alcohol for less
than the cost of Everclear and it's useful for fuel or producing a truly
blinding headache.
   If you start from scratch, keep in mind that there is going to be some
methanol in your final product. Turns out to be about the first quart
out of a 50 gallon batch of sour mash. Different boiling temps means
that the first thing out is the stuff that will make you blind even
without lead soldered radiators.
   The simplest setup for distillation is a pressure cooker, copper
tubing, two buckets and a cold water tap.
   Pour the wine into the pressure cooker, clamp on the lid and start the
heat. The copper tubing gets worked down onto the relief valve that
usually sicks up from the lid. Steam shoots out of this under normal
use, allowing a build up of pressure without turning your culinary
efforts into an IED.
   Run the copper tube from the cooker to a bucket under the tap, and
loop several coils of the tubing around inside the bucket. The more
coils, the better the heat transfer to cool the steaming alcohol boiling
out of your still/pressure cooker. Keep a stream of cold water running
into and overflowing out of the bucket to cool the coils.
   Run the tube out of the condenser bucket and through the lid of a
smaller container to catch the condensate alcohol. This will also keep
the very flammable fumes to a minimum.
   Takes a lot of cheap wine to make a quart of even worse 'shine, but it
works in a stove, makes a half decent antibacterial and antiseptic, and,
if you're brave, you can make some banging jungle juice with it. Just
don't try to drink it straight! There's a good reason why Everclear
bottles carry a skull and crossbones! ;-)

One would not distill wine, one mixes cheapest suagrs around with water pitches
sherry yeast and waits a week, then distill. Undrinkable slop but the Pepsi G
can't tell, nor cares.
Suffiecently Advanced Technology is indistinguishable from MAGIC"
A.C.Clarke




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Here, shellac thinner is much less expensive (7 bucks a quart) than the
quantity of wine that would have to be distilled to make the equivalent
quantity of fuel alcohol. (8 quarts of wine at 12 percent alcohol
costing about $3 a quart at the least = $24.) This is assuming that the
distillation would be nearly 100 percent efficient - unlikely with a
home-made still.

Rick



Ken wrote:
>
>
> I wish to clarify, if anyone missed it before.
> I have no desire to make any for consumption.
> I only wish to make a better alcohol fuel for my stove.
> I have read that everclear is the best stove fuel, but expensive.
> If I make some, it's not as expensive.
> I probably won't even do it, I got enough going on as it is.
>
> Ken
>
>

I wish to clarify, if anyone missed it before.
I have no desire to make any for consumption.
I only wish to make a better alcohol fuel for my stove.
I have read that everclear is the best stove fuel, but expensive.
If I make some, it's not as expensive.
I probably won't even do it, I got enough going on as it is.

Ken

I do understand they have not canned anyone you know especially if you do not
sell it. But it happens all the time in many states. BTF LOVES to find guys
doing it, but i am not willing to risk the 1/1,000,000 chance and get busted and
lose my home. If you want to go for it, I wish you luck, not me. But my comment
was to correct the idea it is legal to make private use stills, it is not legal.
It is legal to make alky for energy use. I will check out the site quoted and IF
it is legal to make my own "sipp'n wiskey' I will begin the process. Heck I may
even take the permit to make denatured ethly for stoves cause 16 bucks a gallon
is a LOT more expensive then Coleman fuel, and it shouldn't be.

Thanks for the discussion cause the thought has been there for a few years and
this discussion plus 16 bucks a gallon may push me over the edge, (yikes).

And in any batch of ethyl, I believe the first 3-8 % is wood alks then the last
2-3% is crap as well. Known as the Heads and the Tails, better brands reclaim
that and sell it for other then human uses. I read that in a book on Alcohol
Production. They said the headache from cheap booze (legal booze) is from head
and tail stock removal or lack thereof. The book was a reprint from Lindsays
Publications.

ciao

chris

A few friends of mine have made distilled beverages, and the revenuers never
showed up.Not my cup of tea, but you can definitely drink it!
I don't recall the proof off the top of my head, something like 180+?

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM, e_l_green <eric@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com<BackpackingStoves%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "christiepontello" <christiepontello@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unless the law changed in the last 15 years (doubtful, but possible), you
> may make wine/beer to drink (with limitations, rarely enforced). you may
> make distilled alcohol FOR GENERATION OF ENERGY, TO RUN CAR HEAT HOME, BURN
> IN STOVE.
> >
> > It must be denatured.
> >
> > It is NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. That liscence must be issued and you
> will get inspected.
> >
> > Please let me be wrong on this.
>
> Here's the form:
>
> http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf
>
> Here's the info packet:
>
> http://www.ttb.gov/applications/small_alcohol_fuel_plant_packet.shtml
>
> On that page is also a link to a list of the full regulations.
>
> It is rare for a small fuel producer to be inspected but it's been known to
> happen. All inputs and outputs from the fuel still must be carefully
> accounted for and records kept for 3 years for audit purposes.
>
> The majority of the regulations regarding production of alcohol date back
> to Prohibition when alcohol production of *any* sort was illegal, and while
> holes have been poked in the blanket prohibition after the repeal of
> Prohibition, the fact remains that we have a set of laws that assume that
> alcohol is de facto illegal to own, possess, manufacture, or drink. The
> practical reality, however, is that unless you sell spirits nobody knows
> you're making them (unless you blab about it on the Internet or elsewhere!).
> Not suggesting that you break the law, just noting reality, you can have a
> law from D.C. that says the value of 'pi' is exactly 3.0 but the physical
> constant for the radius of a circle will still be 3.14159etc. regardless of
> what the law from D.C. says...
>
>
>


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--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, "christiepontello"
<christiepontello@...> wrote:
>
> Unless the law changed in the last 15 years (doubtful, but possible), you may
make wine/beer to drink (with limitations, rarely enforced). you may make
distilled alcohol FOR GENERATION OF ENERGY, TO RUN CAR HEAT HOME, BURN IN STOVE.
>
> It must be denatured.
>
> It is NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. That liscence must be issued and you will get
inspected.
>
> Please let me be wrong on this.

Here's the form:

http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf

Here's the info packet:

http://www.ttb.gov/applications/small_alcohol_fuel_plant_packet.shtml

On that page is also a link to a list of the full regulations.

It is rare for a small fuel producer to be inspected but it's been known to
happen. All inputs and outputs from the fuel still must be carefully accounted
for and records kept for 3 years for audit purposes.

The majority of the regulations regarding production of alcohol date back to
Prohibition when alcohol production of *any* sort was illegal, and while holes
have been poked in the blanket prohibition after the repeal of Prohibition, the
fact remains that we have a set of laws that assume that alcohol is de facto
illegal to own, possess, manufacture, or drink. The practical reality, however,
is that unless you sell spirits nobody knows you're making them (unless you blab
about it on the Internet or elsewhere!). Not suggesting that you break the law,
just noting reality, you can have a law from D.C. that says the value of 'pi' is
exactly 3.0 but the physical constant for the radius of a circle will still be
3.14159etc.  regardless of what the law from D.C. says...

Unless the law changed in the last 15 years (doubtful, but possible), you may
make wine/beer to drink (with limitations, rarely enforced). you may make
distilled alcohol FOR GENERATION OF ENERGY, TO RUN CAR HEAT HOME, BURN IN STOVE.

It must be denatured.

It is NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. That liscence must be issued and you will get
inspected.

Please let me be wrong on this.

So I ask if you have the federal regulation that allows it,please publish it
here. Cause I will build a still next week if I am allowed. Stove fuel AND
homemade corn squeeze, what could be better? Sliced bread and bottled beer, no
wait I can make those myself

chuckle
c


--- In BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com, Bror8588@... wrote:
>
>
> Only if you sell it.? Drink it yourself and it is part of the great machine
that many have discovered that turns beverages of any kind into pure Urine.
>
>
>
> Jack Skylander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce W. Calkins <blackwolfe@...>
> To: BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:09 am
> Subject: Re: [BackpackingStoves] Homemade still for stove alcohol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that in the US of A at least there are regulations and tax
> issues to be aware of in distilling and or brewing alcohol.
>
> Black Wolfe
> ======================================
>
> > Has anyone made a small still for distilling wine (cheap) into 95% ethyl
> > alcohol for their backpacking stove?
> >
> > I saw one on the web using an electric heating plate, tea kettle, copper
> > tubing, and a five gallon bucket full of ice.
> > This was a small operation, barely able to make enough for a few days of
> > camping.
> >
> > Thanks, Ken
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I made the type of integrated pot stand and windscreen out of aluminum flashing
and bicycle spokes that you have probably seen on the web. But my spokes bend
under the weight of a small pot when they get hot. Any suggestions for something
stronger and more heat resistant? The spokes are cut down to about 6 inches in
length. Thanks for any help.
-Terrry

The only thing that I can honestly say former Prez Jimmy Carter did
was to get legislation passed allowing citizens to distill 500 gallons
of ethanol a year.

This might be true for beer and whine, but distilling alcoholic beverages
will set the revenuers on your trail!http://homedistiller.org/wiki
(Unless your in NZ)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, <Bror8588@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Only if you sell it.? Drink it yourself and it is part of the great machine
> that many have discovered that turns beverages of any kind into pure Urine.
>
> Jack Skylander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce W. Calkins <blackwolfe@... <blackwolfe%40charter.net>>
> To: BackpackingStoves@yahoogroups.com<BackpackingStoves%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:09 am
> Subject: Re: [BackpackingStoves] Homemade still for stove alcohol
>
> Keep in mind that in the US of A at least there are regulations and tax
> issues to be aware of in distilling and or brewing alcohol.
>
> Black Wolfe
> ======================================
>
> > Has anyone made a small still for distilling wine (cheap) into 95% ethyl
> > alcohol for their backpacking stove?
> >
> > I saw one on the web using an electric heating plate, tea kettle, copper
> > tubing, and a five gallon bucket full of ice.
> > This was a small operation, barely able to make enough for a few days of
> > camping.
> >
> > Thanks, Ken
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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