OUTDOOR PRODUCTS CYCLONE HYDRATION RESERVOIR
BY JIM RUSSELL
OR
December 21, 2012
 
TESTER INFORMATION
 
NAME: Jim Russell
EMAIL: e_portfolio@...
AGE: 45
LOCATION: Virginia Beach, Virginia
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
WEIGHT: 160 lb (72.60 kg)
 
Backpacking Background:  As a teen, I have hiked extensively as a Boy Scout,
but stopped hiking for about 25 years.  In the past 5 years I’ve re-connected
with scouting since my kids have joined and I’ve been actively participating
on a wide variety of outings in that time.  Most outings have been
2-day/1-night with the occasional weeklong trip.  This year I’ve begun hiking
and camping again and my future plans include section hiking the Appalachian
Trail.  My goals are to hike with as light a pack as possible and to be hiking
during all four seasons.
 
PRODUCT INFORMATION
 
Manufacturer: Outdoor Products
Year of Manufacture: Unknown
Manufacturer's Website: http://www.outdoorproducts.com/
MSRP: Unknown
Listed Weight: Not Listed
Measured Weight: 6 oz (170 g)
Measured Size (L x W x H): Empty bladder is 15.5 x 7.25 x 1.0 inches (39.4 x
18.4 x 2.5 cm); hose with quick connect and bite valve is 42.75 inches (108.5
cm) long.
Sizes Available: 2.0 liters
Colors Available: Gray/Blue
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 1">>
The Outdoor Products Cyclone Hydration Reservoir is described as a 100% hi-grade
tasteless and odorless polyurethane bladder with a clear (looks tinted) 11 mm
polyurethane delivery hose.  The outside of the bladder has useful information
printed in blue that includes gradated measuring lines for water volume (0.5 L,
1.0 L, 1.5 L, 2.0 L & 16 oz, 32 oz, 48 oz, 64 oz), a description of how to use
the quick connect system at the integral co-molded hose attachment, cleaning and
storage information, bite valve adjustment tips, warranty information, bite
valve replacement instructions, warnings and recommended temperature ranges (120
F, 50 C, 5 F, -20 C).  Having discarded the packaging, I find that having this
information printed right on the product to be very useful.
This product is constructed of BPA-free material and can be placed inside the
hydration chamber available in many backpacks.  The hose attaches and detaches
easily by using the built-in quick connect system.  The Thermoplastic Elastomer
(TPE) bite valve conveniently screws off for easy cleaning or replacement.
The manufacturer warns that this product is made of small parts and, if
detached, can be a choking hazard for young children.  The manufacturer also
warns that this reservoir system should not be filled with alcohol, food or
dairy products.
Finally, the manufacturer provides a full guarantee against defects in
workmanship and materials to the original purchaser for one year from the date
of purchase.
 
FIELD REVIEW
 
I originally purchased 2 of these bladders for a biking hydration pack about 3
years ago.   My son and I have used them on several scouting trips such as
caving, biking and hiking. In the approximately 10 days of use, neither of us
have had any trouble with leaking bladders, hoses or bite valves.  However, we
have not used this product in temperatures less than 40 F (4 C).
I like many of the features this system has to offer such as a large 2-1/16”
(5.2 cm) inside diameter fill opening.  Not only does this “EZ FILL”
feature practically eliminate spills while filling and allow the bladder to be
filled without removing from the backpack, it’s also wide enough to add ice
cubes.  There are also 2 tabs (one above and one below) that make holding the
bladder easy while filling.  The top tab also allows the bladder to be clipped
to the top (inside) of a backpack or hung from some type of support structure
around camp such as a tree or dining fly.
The flexible bite valve fit comfortably in my mouth and to allow the flow of
water I simply bite the valve with my teeth.  I found the flow of water to be
adequate, but would prefer more water per sip.
The bite valve is removable by twisting the bite valve 4 full turns while the
filler cap takes ½ turn to remove.  These features make cleaning the system
very easy.  As mentioned earlier in this review, the replacement information is
printed directly on the bladder.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 2"  IMAGE CAPTION = "Integral co-molded
attachment for the hose">>
The hose is attached to the bladder by an integral co-molded attachment with a
quick release.  This is convenient if I want to carry a second bladder without
having to carry a second hose and bite valve.  I could simply store the
additional bladder, filled or empty, and swap bladders when needed.  However,
this integration of the quick release means that if it breaks, I will have to
replace the entire bladder.  If the bladder needs replacing, the hose/bite
valve assembly can be used as a spare for the replacement system.
The bladder also includes Outdoor Product’s LastDrop profile at the bottom of
the bladder that allows the user to suck out all available water.
This bladder has survived being stuffed in several hydration chambers of various
packs such as biking backpacks, day packs and expedition packs as well as
survived the packing pressure of gear stowed by not only an adult, but that of a
pre-teenage scout.
 
SUMMARY
 
The Outdoor Products Cyclone Hydration System is a sturdy, low-cost, reliable
hydration system.  While it may not be an ultralight product, it’s a strong
system with several convenient features.
 
THINGS I LIKE
 
Large top mounted fill opening for no-mess filling
Ability to add ice to bladder through large fill opening
Bladder does not need to be removed from pack to fill
Inexpensive
Can hang system from a tree while in camp
Important information is printed directly on the bladder
 
THINGS I DON'T LIKE
 
Heavy
 
SIGNATURE
 
Jim Russell
 
 
 
This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2013.  All rights reserved.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ray,
 
Edits have been made.  Find uploaded review at the following link.  Thank you
for your time!
 
http://tinyurl.com/au4u7hh
 
Jim


________________________________
  From: Ray <rayestrella@...>
To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: [BackpackGearTest] EDIT: OR - Outdoor Products Cyclone Hydration
Reservoir - Jim Russell


 

Hi Jim,

Almost there. Just a couple more things to take care of. Once I see that the
link is corrected I will make the new folder for the permanent review. So fix
this a shoot me a link and repost when corrected.

Ray

LOCATION: Virginia Beach, VA

EDIT: please spell out the name of the state for the benefit of our
international readers

***Manufacturer's Website: Outdoor Products

EDIT: the URL needs to be spelled out (and clickable), so:
http://outdoorproducts.com




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes to the
host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links to the
cottage businesses but it's not the main page.

Jamie D

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "ftroop94"  wrote:
>
> Jaime,
>
> I've checked it from a smartphone and a laptop and the link is working today.
It's a small site, maybe the server was down. Would you like to check again and
then tell me how to proceed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~SMK
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
> >
> > RAY - Steven M Kidd - DUTCHWARE DUTCH BUCKLE - Posted Dec 11 (msg#81819),
Taken Dec 27, Edit/Approved Dec 27 (81851), up Dec 29 � MFG link not working,
emailed about this Jan 5
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I double checked this OR after you uploaded and I noticed the link to the
website has an error.  Please take a look and get it squared away ASAP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jamie D
> > Edit Team Director
> >
>

This is the official Owner Review Edit Queue Update.  Any uploads done after
7:00 PM Pacific Time on 11 Jan, 2013 will not be noted until next week's update.
If you have questions about the queue please feel free to ask.

Thank you.
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director


=====================================================================
EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)


=================================================================
AWAITING EDIT

Richard Lyon � ADDENDUM of Nunatak Back Country Blanket - Posted Dec 31
(msg#81859),

Brian Schemenaur(1) - KELTY GRAND MESA 2 TENT � Posted Jan 5(81870),

BP - Adam Albertson - OSPREY AETHER 70L Pack - Posted Jan 8(81889),

Dawn Larsen - Bridgedale Endurance Women's Trail Ultralight Socks - Posted Jan
9(81890),

Dawn Larsen - Point6 Hiking Tech Med Mini Crew Socks - Posted Jan 9(81891),

====================================================================
TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RICHARD - BP - Paul Rickard(1) - Men's Atom LT Jacket by Arc'teryx - Posted Dec
9 (msg#81806), Revised Dec 10 (81813 & 81814), Taken Dec 27, Edit Dec 27
(81846),

RAY - Jim Russell(1) - Outdoor Products Cyclone Bladder - Posted Dec 21
(msg#81832), Awaiting use clarification as of Dec 26, Revised Dec 26, Taken Jan
6, Edit Jan 6(81875), Repost Jan 6, Edit Jan 7(81882), Repost Jan 7, Edit Jan
11(81898), Repost Jan 11,

=====================================================================
APPROVED AND AWAITING UPLOAD


====================================================================
REVIEWS ON HOLD

Stacin Martin(1) - MSR MICROROCKET � Posted Oct 22 (msg#81666), On hold pending
more field use as of Oct 23,

Ray Tant(1) - Esbit Alcohol Stove and Trekking Cookset - Posted Nov 11
(msg#81741), On hold pending use clarification as of Nov 17,  Revised Nov 20,
Awaiting more field use as of Nov 23,

Garrett Kellams(1) � Cabela's Alaskan Guide Frame Pack � Posted Nov 7
(msg#81723), On hold pending more field use as of Nov 9(81730)

Adam Albertson(2) - AETHER 70LITER BACKPACK � Posted Dec 20 (msg#81828),

=================================================================
NOT ADDED to the Queue at this time

Casey Hillyard(1) - Seychell 28 oz Flip Top Filter Bottle - Posted Dec 3
(msg#81792), Referred to mentor program as of Dec 8,

Adam Albertson(1) - TNFACE Tundra 20 F bag - Posted Dec 18 (msg#81823), Awaiting
use clarification as of Dec 26,

Joe Schaffer(1) - Mont-Bell Handy Scoop - Posted Dec 19 (msg#81827), Awaiting
use clarification as of Dec 26,

Jason Huber(1) - COLEMAN MAX - Posted Dec 7 (msg#81797), Product identity in
dispute, referred to mentor program as of Dec 26,

==============================================================
EDITED OR APPROVED; WAITING FOR WRITER'S ACTION

RAY - Steven M Kidd - DUTCHWARE DUTCH BUCKLE - Posted Dec 11 (msg#81819), Taken
Dec 27, Edit/Approved Dec 27 (81851), up Dec 29 � MFG link not working, emailed
about this Jan 5, still having issues with the website as of Jan 11 � working on
it,

RAY - Peter Raiff(1) - Black Rock 'Sportsman' Down Beanie � Posted Nov 15
(msg#81744), On hold pending use clarification as of Nov 17, Revised Nov
18(81752), Taken Nov 23, Edit Nov 23 (81766), Follow-up sent Jan 5

Jim can you make the link active (clickable) please? Once I see that it is good
to upload.

Thanks,

Ray

It is working for me but there is an edit there.

***Manufacturer's Website: Dutchware (Dutch Clips LLC)

EDIT: this needs to be the spelled-out URL, not just a clickable hyperlink.

Ray

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
>
> Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes to the
host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links to the
cottage businesses but it's not the main page.

Hi Richard,

I just see one "maybe" for you then you may replace the old one with this. Nice
score on the extra BCB.

Ray




***Being able to open one's side of the quilt by un-attaching the Velcro

Edit: I think "detaching" is the word you want

Ray, more like "opening" than "detaching," as the latter implies taking the
Velcro off the quilt. Revised and uploaded, and Tests/OR folder copy deleted.

Cheers, Richard

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I just see one "maybe" for you then you may replace the old one with this.
Nice score on the extra BCB.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> ***Being able to open one's side of the quilt by un-attaching the Velcro
>
> Edit: I think "detaching" is the word you want
>

Jamie/Ray,

Following is the website on a business card/instruction card that came with some
trinkets I ordered:

DutchWareGear.com (This is the link I put into the Review).  It takes the reader
to this address:
http://www.outdoortrailgear.com/cottage-industries/dutchware/dutchware-view-all-\
products/

As Ray mentioned in an original edit, it is not the Top Line weblink, but since
this is a co-op the Top Line for Tom Dutch was used.

The link is working currently on two laptops and a smartphone.

~SMK

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
>
> It is working for me but there is an edit there.
>
> ***Manufacturer's Website: Dutchware (Dutch Clips LLC)
>
> EDIT: this needs to be the spelled-out URL, not just a clickable hyperlink.
>
> Ray
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
> >
> > Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes to
the host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links to
the cottage businesses but it's not the main page.
>

It still needs to be a spelled out URL Steve, not just an active link.

Ray

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "ftroop94"  wrote:
>
> Jamie/Ray,
>
> Following is the website on a business card/instruction card that came with
some trinkets I ordered:
>
> DutchWareGear.com (This is the link I put into the Review).  It takes the
reader to this address:
http://www.outdoortrailgear.com/cottage-industries/dutchware/dutchware-view-all-\
products/
>
> As Ray mentioned in an original edit, it is not the Top Line weblink, but
since this is a co-op the Top Line for Tom Dutch was used.
>
> The link is working currently on two laptops and a smartphone.
>
> ~SMK
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
> >
> > It is working for me but there is an edit there.
> >
> > ***Manufacturer's Website: Dutchware (Dutch Clips LLC)
> >
> > EDIT: this needs to be the spelled-out URL, not just a clickable hyperlink.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
> > >
> > > Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes to
the host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links to
the cottage businesses but it's not the main page.
> >
>

Ray,

I'm confused. I removed the active link that said DutchWare LLC and put in the
website as listed on his busines card. The website on his business card
(dutchwaregear.com), is the link I have used on the OR.  I would think this is
sufficient?

Steve

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
>
> It still needs to be a spelled out URL Steve, not just an active link.
>
> Ray
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "ftroop94"  wrote:
> >
> > Jamie/Ray,
> >
> > Following is the website on a business card/instruction card that came with
some trinkets I ordered:
> >
> > DutchWareGear.com (This is the link I put into the Review).  It takes the
reader to this address:
http://www.outdoortrailgear.com/cottage-industries/dutchware/dutchware-view-all-\
products/
> >
> > As Ray mentioned in an original edit, it is not the Top Line weblink, but
since this is a co-op the Top Line for Tom Dutch was used.
> >
> > The link is working currently on two laptops and a smartphone.
> >
> > ~SMK
> >
> > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It is working for me but there is an edit there.
> > >
> > > ***Manufacturer's Website: Dutchware (Dutch Clips LLC)
> > >
> > > EDIT: this needs to be the spelled-out URL, not just a clickable
hyperlink.
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes
to the host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links
to the cottage businesses but it's not the main page.
> > >
> >
>

Brian,

Welcome to BackpackGearTest.org! I'll be your editor for this Owner Review.

This is an excellent first draft of a first Owner Review, good enough that I
will forego my usual caution against choosing a tent for one's first OR.

My edits below are in standard BGT format:

EDIT (all caps) � required change
Edit (initial cap) � suggested change or request for clarification
Comment � just that, no change required

After revising you need to do two things. Post the html version of the Report,
with photographs, in the Tests/Owner Reviews folder on BackpackGearTest.org, and
post the plain text version here, with "Repost," the product name, and your name
in the subject line, and with a tinyurl link to the html version in the body of
your message.

This may seem like a long list od edits, but most are simply requiring
conformity with BGT's protocols and reporting rules. Common first-time mistakes,
and easy to fix. Stick with it and you'll have your OR approved in no time.  I
look forward to your repost.

Cheers, Richard
**********************************************************************



KELTY GRAND MESA 2 TENT
###BY BRIAN WAYNE SCHEMENAUR###
EDIT: OWNER REVIEW BY BRIAN WAYNE SCHEMENAUR [We have Test Reports as well as
Owner Reviews.]


TEST INFORMATION:
Name: Brian Schemenaur
###Email: sixpackbee@...###
Edit: You may wish to write this out ("at" instead of @, etc) to discourage
spammers.

###Birthday: 02/08/1974 ###
Edit: This isn't necessary. If you want to include it, write it out. In most
countries your abbreviation would mean August 2.

###Location: Indianapolis, Indiana###
EDIT: Need to add the country - USA. We have many non-US testers and readers.

###Height: 6 ft 1 in, 1.85 M
Weight: 225 lbs, 102.0 Kg###
EDIT: When you revise, check all your weight and measurement abbreviations. Some
BGT conventions: always singular (225 lb, not lbs), measurements always lower
case (kg, not Kg), always a space between the measurement and abbreviation (as
you have done).

###I have returned to this wonderful hobby since my son joined the boy scouts###
EDIT: Boy Scouts [initial caps]

###MSRP: US$ 139.95###
EDIT: US$ 149.95 [Probably increased since you bought yours.]

###The tent is designed for 3 season use by backpacking campers.###
Edit: 3-season [with a hyphen]

###BSA Scoutmaster's farm (Indianapolis, Indiana)
Lat: 39.6 deg N, Lon: 85.9 deg W, Elev: 781 ft###
EDIT: Boy Scouts of America [The abbreviation may knot be known to non-US
readers.
EDIT: Delete the coordinates. Too technical for BGT. Here and elsewhere.
EDIT: Elevation [Beware of abbreviations. We have readers who might not
understand. Here and elsewhere.]
EDIT: Add the metric equivalent for the elevation.

###9/14 - (Temp) High 70 deg F, Low 56 deg F (Wind) 14-23mph (Precip) 0.05"
9/15 - (Temp) High 74 deg F, Low 50 deg F (Wind) 2-8mph (Precip) 0.0"
9/16 - (Temp) High 78 deg F, Low 54 deg F (Wind) 3-13mph (Precip) 0.0"###
EDIT: Two more BGT conventions � don't use "deg" or "degrees" in reporting
temperatures, and Celsius conversion required � 70 F/21 C, e.g.  Here and
elsewhere.
EDIT: (Precipitation). [As above. Rather than list precipitation you'd inform
your readers better by stating when it rained, particularly if you were in the
tent at the time.]

###The single vestibule will be able to accommodate a large amount of gear,
however, one will have to step over it or move it out of the way when entering
or exiting. ###
Edit: How much gear?
EDIT: BGT doesn't allow "projection," speculating upon what might happen. If you
stored gear in the vestibule, change to "I was able." If not  you should delete
this sentence.

###The quality of the materials, design, and assembly of this tent rivals many
of
the other tent manufacturers. ###
EDIT: are similar to many of the other [First, you need a plural verb. Second,
"rivals" implies a quality comparison, which BGT doesn't allow.]

###The canopy and floor are made of 68D polyester, and the fly is made of 75D
polyester, which seems to be fairly standard in the tent industry. ###
EDIT: Unless you are qualified to comment on the entire tent industry, this
needs to be revised to something like "to be similar to other tent manufacturers
I know about." BGT only allows first hand reporting � your own experience and
knowledge.

###I have found the advertised length and weight measurements of the tent by the
manufacturer to be fairly accurate. The largest discrepancy in the length
measurement differed by only 3 inches (7.6 cm) which applied to the length of
the front entrance. The other length measurements differed by only 1 inch (2.5
cm). Such differences in measurement is fairly negligible. I obtained my
measurements from the tent interior. If I had obtained these measurements from
the tent exterior, I likely would have obtained the factory results. ###
Edit: I'd delete this as it's redundant of the details you provide above.

###The large vent towards the rear roof-line, ###
Edit: roofline [one word]

###If inclement weather is present, you place the fly on top of the tent ,###
EDIT: I place [Avoid second person if at all possible. Part of our rule against
projection. Limit your Reviews to your own experience.]

###Each camp site selected was set upon wide open areas###
Edit: campsite [one word]

###The side mesh pockets were perfect for storing small light-weight items, ###
Edit: lightweight [one word, no hyphen]

###They have proven to be a tripping hazard at night when I've
camped in groups. I will likely replace these cords with ones that are brightly
colored or reflective to reduce this safety issue. This is a personal
preference, however, and would not affect one who solo camps.###
EDIT: In the second sentence change the last clause to "and has not affected me
when solo camping." [More projection; limit your observations to your own
experiences.]
Comment: You might add reflective tape to the guys rather than replacing them.

### Anyone that has experienced the "joy" of pitching a tent in a downpour###
Edit: Anyone who has [people are "who;" things are "that" or "which"]

###- This is perfect-sized tent for one person, but will adequately accommodate
two people###
EDIT: What's the basis for this statement? Earlier you state you've only used
the tent solo. ("On each of the three documented outings in the field use, I
pitched and slept in the tent by myself.") If you haven't shared the tent with
another person, either qualify the sentence ("Based upon my experience, I
believe . . . "), otherwise drop it.

###- The gear pockets on both sides of the front entrace are handy to stow###
EDIT: entrance [spelling]

###- The tent packs down small for a backpack and is very light for a two person
tent###
Edit: two-person [with a hyphen]

OK, well now the recent post is correct. It was still just a link when I had
answered.

All is good,

Ray

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "ftroop94"  wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> I'm confused. I removed the active link that said DutchWare LLC and put in the
website as listed on his busines card. The website on his business card
(dutchwaregear.com), is the link I have used on the OR.  I would think this is
sufficient?
>
> Steve
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
> >
> > It still needs to be a spelled out URL Steve, not just an active link.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "ftroop94"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jamie/Ray,
> > >
> > > Following is the website on a business card/instruction card that came
with some trinkets I ordered:
> > >
> > > DutchWareGear.com (This is the link I put into the Review).  It takes the
reader to this address:
http://www.outdoortrailgear.com/cottage-industries/dutchware/dutchware-view-all-\
products/
> > >
> > > As Ray mentioned in an original edit, it is not the Top Line weblink, but
since this is a co-op the Top Line for Tom Dutch was used.
> > >
> > > The link is working currently on two laptops and a smartphone.
> > >
> > > ~SMK
> > >
> > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is working for me but there is an edit there.
> > > >
> > > > ***Manufacturer's Website: Dutchware (Dutch Clips LLC)
> > > >
> > > > EDIT: this needs to be the spelled-out URL, not just a clickable
hyperlink.
> > > >
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Could someone else check this?  When I click Steven's MFG link it goes
to the host site but there is a No Results message there along with other links
to the cottage businesses but it's not the main page.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hello Adam,

Thank you for your interest in joining BackpackGearTest and your first Owner
Review. Unfortunately your review is not acceptable in this form.

We usually suggest that folks start with something easy, like a shirt or cook
gear, etc. as things like packs, tents and stoves tend to have a lot to talk
about. If you take a look at some of the pack reviews and reports from veteran
testers you will see what I am talking about.

We have a mentor program that teams new reviewers with experienced veterans to
help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like more assistance or
guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending an email to the
mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor@...

If you want to go it alone, I'd suggest trying something easier and saving this
for your next one maybe. I assume that you have read through the lessons on the
home page. I will email you a better set of lessons. Go through it and let us
know what you want to do. Should you choose to keep working on this review then
re-post your updated pack review here with REPOST in the subject line. Please
add your name too.

Good luck,

Ray Estrella
Owner Review Editor

Thank you for your interest in BackpackGearTest and for submitting your first
Owner Review. Unfortunately your review is lacking too much to take it at this
time.

We usually suggest that new writers begin with something easy at first, like a
smaller clothing item or piece of cook gear, etc. so that they don't have as
much to try and get through while they are still learning the ropes. Things like
packs and shelters have a lot to describe. Your review is completely missing a
product description.

A helpful tool is the Mentoring Program that teams new reviewers with
experienced veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd
like more assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by
sending an email to the mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor@...

Should you choose to plug away at this review look at the updated Lessons I will
email you. Also look at some reviews and reports from experienced veteran
testers for an idea of what is expected.

If you decide to continue do a re-write and re-post the new version here with
REPOST in the subject line. Put your name in it to please.

Good luck,

Ray Estrella
Owner Review Editor

This is a test as my posts do not seem to be going through on any of the Yahoo
BGT Group sites.

Ray

There have been delays on all the groups last night and today.



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From: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:59 AM
To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
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This is a test as my posts do not seem to be going through on any of the
Yahoo BGT Group sites.

Ray





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Thank you, Jamie. For reasons I would probably not understand even if I knew, I
failed to find your very timely reply until today. I've reposted a revision to
address your comment. joe

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D."  wrote:
>
> Welcome to BGT Joe.
>
> Right up front, thank you for choosing a simple item to review on your first
attempt.  Before I can accept your Owner Review and move it into our Edit Queue
I need a bit more information.  Please clarify the number of days and/or nights
you have used this product in the field.  After you have added an estimate of
how many times you have used it to your report, repost the entire revised
version to the Yahoo group, including the word REVISED in your subject line.
>
> I will take a look and if it meets our requirements I'll add the report to our
Edit Queue and you will be on your way to being contacted by an editor for an
official edit.
>
> Thank you,
> Jamie DeBenedetto
> Editors Team Director
>
>
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, Jlee Snow  wrote:
> >
> > TESTER INFORMATION:
> >  
> > NAME: Joe Schaffer
> > EMAIL:    never2muchstuff@
> > AGE:      65
> > GENDER:   Male
> > HEIGHT:   5’9”  (1.75 meters)
> > WEIGHT:   175#  (79.4 kilos)
> > HOME:  Hayward, CA
>

 
REVISED
 
TESTER INFORMATION:
 
NAME:Joe Schaffer
EMAIL:    never2muchstuff@...
AGE:      65
GENDER:   Male
HEIGHT:   5’9”  (1.75 meters)
WEIGHT:   175#  (79.4 kilos)
HOME:  Hayward, CA
 
Backpacking bit me in the
Pacific NW over 50 years ago. Since 2001 I’ve cavorted mostly in California,
up
to 95 nights a year. I camp every month; about half the time solo. I’m an
insatiable gear hog working part time at an outdoor store; and a convicted
comfort camper lugging tent, mattress, chair, etc. Summer trips last typically
a week to 10 days; 40#, about half food related; about 5 miles per hiking day.
I winter camp at 6-7k; 2-3 nights; 55#; 1-4 miles on snowshoes.
 
The Product
 
Manufacturer: Mont-Bell
Web site:
http://www.montbell.us/
Product: Handy Scoop
Year
purchased: 2010
 
My measures:
Weight:  1 3/8oz  (39gms)
Length: 6 1/4” (159mm)
Handle length:  3” (76mm)
Handle width:  7/8”  (22mm)
Blade length:  3.25”  (83mm)
Blade width (max): 1 9/16”
(40mm)
    
Cost: (2010 delivered):
$15
 
Factory specs (from
website): 
Weight: 1.4 oz
Length: 6.25”
MSRP: $16
 
 
Product Description:
 
Longitudinally curved
stainless steel 1mm thick with plastic-coated handle and a webbing strap.
 
Field conditions:
 
I've aggregated about 45 excavations
over three seasons with this product in all kinds of terra firma from sand to
humus; accumulated in having it on hand for 175 days out. (Actually I am
compulsive enough to keep written records of use frequency on many products. At
my age and frequency of use for this one, given the level of confidence I have
in its likely lifespan, it never occurred to me to record use for this one.
Thus, I must submit only a calculation. I would be happy to indulge any skeptic
the math path, but that would seem more appropriate for a late night campfire
venue.)

 
Observations:
 
I don’t know how many Red
Snappers I’ve snapped over the years, often owing to urgency. The old plastic
trowels fill the hand and can move a volume of loose dirt; but they won’t
tolerate prying. The Handy Scoop won’t break or bend, perhaps in part because
it isn’t big enough to get a lot of leverage. However, it will pry out stones
and rubble that would snap the traditional plastic trowel. (The newer trowels
made of recycled Lexan are cheap and very strong, but also heavy.) I find it
nearly impossible to dig without prying at some point.
 
In sand, the plastic
trowel will move material much faster than the Handy Scoop. However, when the
ground is that loose, I find it more convenient just to scrape a hole with a
boot heel.
 
In firm gravelly dirt, the
Handy Scoop beats a plastic trowel for ease and speed. The small, relatively
sharp blade cuts into dirt and humus more easily than a larger blade and won’t
torque the wrist on hurried excavations. While a larger blade has potentially
more capacity, the more common conditions prevent loading a large blade to its
potential.
 
It isn’t any better than a
right angle stick, so the hardest core minimalist cannot be denied his or her
objection. I find it comforting to know I always have digging capacity readily
at hand for about the weight of a gel.
 
Handy Scoop quick shots:
 
a)    Low weight
b)    Small
c)    Expedient
d)    More $ than a stick
 
                          -30-

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Hello! My name is Tom - I think this message was intended to go to someone
else?

I did send an e-mail about getting a mentor for this process, but I have
yet to submit any reviews.  Thanks!

Tom


On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Ray <rayestrella@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hello Adam,
>
> Thank you for your interest in joining BackpackGearTest and your first
> Owner Review. Unfortunately your review is not acceptable in this form.
>
> We usually suggest that folks start with something easy, like a shirt or
> cook gear, etc. as things like packs, tents and stoves tend to have a lot
> to talk about. If you take a look at some of the pack reviews and reports
> from veteran testers you will see what I am talking about.
>
> We have a mentor program that teams new reviewers with experienced
> veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like more
> assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending
> an email to the mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor@...
>
> If you want to go it alone, I'd suggest trying something easier and saving
> this for your next one maybe. I assume that you have read through the
> lessons on the home page. I will email you a better set of lessons. Go
> through it and let us know what you want to do. Should you choose to keep
> working on this review then re-post your updated pack review here with
> REPOST in the subject line. Please add your name too.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Ray Estrella
> Owner Review Editor
>
>
>



--
*Tom Shriver*
*Associate Director of Youth*
*West Market Street UMC
*
*Cell - (804) 572-5355*
*E-mail - TDS1195@...*


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Well, I have nothing for this month's call, but at least I got the right season!
This shovel is no longer appearing on BCA's site but it's still available online
so I'll submit anyway.
Thanks editors!
Andrea

HTML: http://tinyurl.com/bdmwxfm

Text:

Backcountry Access Traverse EXT Shovel
Owner Review by Andrea Murland
January 16, 2013

Tester Information
Name:  Andrea Murland
Email:  amurland AT shaw DOT ca
Age:  27
Location:  Elkford & Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
Gender:  Female
Height:  5 ft 2 in (1.57 m)
Weight:  125 lb (57 kg)

I began hiking frequently in 2006 and have since hiked in Western Canada,
Australia, and spent 2 months backpacking in the Alps. I spend most weekends
either day-hiking or on 2-3 day backpacking trips, with some longer trips when I
can manage them. I also snowshoe and ski in the winter, but don't have a lot of
experience with winter in the backcountry yet. Elevation is typically 500-3,000
m (1,600-10,000 ft), in the Canadian Rockies and the Selkirk, Purcell, and
Monashee ranges. I try for a light pack, but I don't consider myself a
lightweight backpacker.

Product Information

Manufacturer: Backcountry Access
Manufacturer's URL: http://www.backcountryaccess.com/
Year of Manufacture: 2008
Model: Traverse EXT Shovel
MSRP: Not Available
Listed Weight: 567 g (20 oz)
Measured Weight: 605 g (21.3 oz)
Listed Blade Dimensions: 9 in x 10 in (23 cm x 25.5 cm)
Measured Blade Dimensions: 9 in x 10 in (23 cm x 25.5 cm)
Listed Extended Length: 31 in (78 cm)
Measured Extended Length: 31 in (78 cm)
Listed Collapsed Length: 24 in (60 cm)
Measured Collapsed Length: 24 in (60 cm)

Description

The Backcountry Access Traverse EXT Shovel is an aluminum backcountry snow
shovel with a handle that is removable from the blade and also extends.

The blade is made from 6061 Aluminum and is blue.  The blade has four holes (one
at each corner) that can be used for things such as rescue sleds and anchors. 
At the top of the blade an oval tube protrudes, which the handle fits into. 
This tube has a set of small holes which the "buttons" on the handle fit
into�more on that later.
The handle is oval in cross-section, and is made from two aluminum pieces which
telescope.  The top of the handle has a plastic t-grip.

Near the bottom of each piece of the handle is a set of silver "buttons".  These
buttons are mounted on a U-shaped spring inside the shovel.  They are used to
lock the handle pieces into place on the blade and on each other.  The buttons
on the lower piece of the handle can be pushed in to slide the handle into the
blade, and when the buttons line up with holes in the blade they pop back out,
locking the handle in place.  If I wish to remove the handle, I can depress the
buttons and pull the handle out.  A similar system is used to extend and retract
the handle, with buttons on the upper section of handle and holes on the lower
section of the handle.


Field Conditions

I have been using the Traverse shovel as my avalanche shovel since the winter of
2008.  Since that time, I have used it to dig snow pits, do snow study tests
(eg. compression tests), dig through avalanche debris, dig through simulated
avalanche debris (eg. snow ploughed from roads), dig several shelters, and dig
out a couple stuck vehicles.  I have also used it once as a sled to sit on while
sliding down a snowy (and rocky) slope.

I carry the blade and handle separated, and both (along with my probe) in an
exterior pocket on my pack that is stretchy and has a drain hole.  The top of
the pocket is covered by the lid of my pack, so I can reach the shovel quickly
but don't risk catching it on something or losing it in an avalanche.

This shovel is stored full-time in my search & rescue pack in the winter, always
ready for action.

Review

General Use
The Traverse shovel is a good lightweight avalanche shovel. I like the fact that
the handle extends, which allows for a more natural shoveling position than with
the handle retracted.  It is also good to be able to use the handle retracted;
having both options allows for flexibility in a tight spot. The length of the
retracted handle comfortably fits where I like to carry it in my pack, so it
works great for me.  The size of the blade is decent, though smaller than some
other shovels, especially newer ones.  It's big enough to be reasonably
effective, but not so big that I can't manage shovelfuls of snow.  On the other
hand, it does take me longer to dig with this shovel compared to some other
shovels that I've used.  I'm not a very strong person, and avalanche debris is
heavy, so I don't want a massive blade on my shovel, but I could manage a bit
more snow than this one holds.
I like the handle being oval.  Backcountry Access says this is for strength. 
What I know is that the handle only fits into the blade in an orientation where
the buttons line up with the holes, which means I never have to fiddle around
with getting everything lined up.  I have had a couple of instances when I
depressed the buttons too far and one popped into the handle.  Although it was
inconvenient, a little bit of fishing around or poking from the end of the
handle was able to get the button back into place.  Although it's only been an
inconvenience so far, I hope it doesn't happen during a real avalanche incident.

The back of the shovel is smooth and fairly flat, so achieving a nice flat wall
on a snow pit is possible with a little bit of practice.  It's not my personal
strength, but it is possible.  The edge of the blade is sharp enough to cut
through compacted snow and thin crusts, and with a bit of chopping will also cut
through a thicker icy crust.

Durability
The Traverse shovel has held up well to use.  The edge of the blade shows some
scratches and signs of use.  The back of the blade also has quite a few
scratches from using the shovel as a sled on a barely-covered-in-snow rocky
slope. Functionally, the shovel is as good as new.

Summary

The Backcountry Access Traverse EXT shovel is an aluminum avalanche shovel with
a removable and extendable handle. It is easy to use and also easy to carry.

Thumbs Up:
Extendable handle
Removable handle
Lightweight
Handle can only slide into blade in the correct orientation

Thumbs Down:
Buttons have become lodged in handle on occasion

No it went to Adam here at the group site.

Ray

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, Tom Shriver  wrote:
>
> Hello! My name is Tom - I think this message was intended to go to someone
> else?
>
> I did send an e-mail about getting a mentor for this process, but I have
> yet to submit any reviews.  Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Ray  wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hello Adam,
> >
> > Thank you for your interest in joining BackpackGearTest and your first
> > Owner Review. Unfortunately your review is not acceptable in this form.
> >
> > We usually suggest that folks start with something easy, like a shirt or
> > cook gear, etc. as things like packs, tents and stoves tend to have a lot
> > to talk about. If you take a look at some of the pack reviews and reports
> > from veteran testers you will see what I am talking about.
> >
> > We have a mentor program that teams new reviewers with experienced
> > veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like more
> > assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending
> > an email to the mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor@...
> >
> > If you want to go it alone, I'd suggest trying something easier and saving
> > this for your next one maybe. I assume that you have read through the
> > lessons on the home page. I will email you a better set of lessons. Go
> > through it and let us know what you want to do. Should you choose to keep
> > working on this review then re-post your updated pack review here with
> > REPOST in the subject line. Please add your name too.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Ray Estrella
> > Owner Review Editor
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Tom Shriver*
> *Associate Director of Youth*
> *West Market Street UMC
> *
> *Cell - (804) 572-5355*
> *E-mail - TDS1195@...*
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Got ya - didn't realize until a little while after that these posts come into my
e-mail.  Thanks!

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray"  wrote:
>
> No it went to Adam here at the group site.
>
> Ray
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, Tom Shriver  wrote:
> >
> > Hello! My name is Tom - I think this message was intended to go to someone
> > else?
> >
> > I did send an e-mail about getting a mentor for this process, but I have
> > yet to submit any reviews.  Thanks!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Ray  wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Adam,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your interest in joining BackpackGearTest and your first
> > > Owner Review. Unfortunately your review is not acceptable in this form.
> > >
> > > We usually suggest that folks start with something easy, like a shirt or
> > > cook gear, etc. as things like packs, tents and stoves tend to have a lot
> > > to talk about. If you take a look at some of the pack reviews and reports
> > > from veteran testers you will see what I am talking about.
> > >
> > > We have a mentor program that teams new reviewers with experienced
> > > veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like
more
> > > assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by
sending
> > > an email to the mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor@
> > >
> > > If you want to go it alone, I'd suggest trying something easier and saving
> > > this for your next one maybe. I assume that you have read through the
> > > lessons on the home page. I will email you a better set of lessons. Go
> > > through it and let us know what you want to do. Should you choose to keep
> > > working on this review then re-post your updated pack review here with
> > > REPOST in the subject line. Please add your name too.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Ray Estrella
> > > Owner Review Editor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Tom Shriver*
> > *Associate Director of Youth*
> > *West Market Street UMC
> > *
> > *Cell - (804) 572-5355*
> > *E-mail - TDS1195@*
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hi Dawn

Thanks for the OR's. I took the other one too but there is some question as to
whether or not it can go forward as it is no longer made. So we will skip to
this one.

I have a few edits and would like to see it again as there is some info missing.
Please repost once corrected. (Your name should be in the subject line too.)

Ray



***Point 6 Hiking Tech Med Mini Crew Socks

***Manufacturer: Point 6

EDIT: their spelling has the 6 jammed up tight like so; Point6. Please change
all instances



***The packaging focuses on temperature maintaining that the socks' merino wool
will keep my feet at the optimum temperture whether the outdoors is warm or
cold.

EDIT: second "temperature". Plus this sentence really reads awkwardly to me.
Maybe,
The packaging focuses on the socks, and the merino wool they are made from,
ability to maintain optimum temperature of my feet no matter what the outside
conditions.



***These socks are a cushioned mini-crew length that work best with low rise
hiking shoes.

EDIT: "The" socks are a cushioned mini-crew length that "works" best with low
rise hiking shoes.



*** I have worn these socks hiking, backpacking, and for everyday use.

EDIT: can you please give some field data as far as backpacking use? Terrain
types, temps, conditions, etc.

Please find my second attempt below. Thanks for your comments. The url
is: http://tinyurl.com/a9eakh3

Dawn

Point6 Hiking Tech Med Mini Crew Socks
Owner Review
9 January 2013

Name:  Dawn Larsen
Age: 51
Gender: female
Height: 5' 4" (163 cm)
Weight: 155 lb (70 kg)
Email address: vicioushillbilly AT gmail DOT com
Florence, South Carolina USA

Backpacking Background:
I used to backpack in college a zillion years ago and just in the last
few years have backpacked some private trails in Tennessee, Missouri
and most recently South Carolina. I have been an avid car-camper for
eleven years and I have kayak/canoe camped for four years, in South
Carolina, Tennessee, Missouri and Arkansas. I use a lot of the same
equipment for both. I hike hilly/rocky trails especially in Missouri
(my home state) and Arkansas. I live in South Carolina and am busy
checking out the terrain here with my nineteen year-old son.

Product Information
Manufacturer: Point6
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website:  www.point6.com
MSRP: $17.95 US
Measured dimensions flat: top of heel to top of sock - 3.5 in (89 mm),
toe of sock to mid-point of heel - 7 in (178 mm)
Advertised Weight: n/a
Measured Weight:  1.88 oz (53 g)
Color:  Blue Violet (also comes in Taupe, Natural, Ocean, Gray, Black)
Size:  Women S (4-6.5, Eur 34-37), M (US 7-9.5, Eur 38-41), L (US
10-12.5 Eur 42-4)
Fabric content: 66% wool, 32% nylon, 2% spandex
Made in USA

sock and packaging sock on

Product Description
I had never heard of this brand before I found them in an online
store.  The packaging focuses on the socks, and the merino wool they
are made from, and their ability to maintain the optimum temperature
of my feet no matter what the outside conditions.They also claim
durability.  The socks are a cushioned mini-crew length that works
best with low rise hiking shoes.  They are bulkier in the darker areas
on the sock.  The toe and heel are reinforced (see diagram from the
packaging , below). They also advertise that the size is knit inside
the cuff.  Um..it is and...OK...

diagram

Field Use
I bought a medium pair in Blue Violet (I LOVE the color).  I have worn
these socks hiking, backpacking, and for everyday use.  I have owned
them for about six months.  I have worn them in rather "opposite"
conditions. I wore them in South Carolina on sandy, but even, soil in
moderate temperatures of approximately 55 degrees F (12.8 C). I have
also more recently worn them on trips in Missouri and Arkansas where
temperatures were about 37 degrees F (2.8 C) and the terrain was
uneven, rocky and fairly steep.   I have worn them with my warm
weather boots, as well as my low-rise hiking shoes. Though there is
elastic support around the arch and top of the sock, these slide
around on my feet a little more than I like, especially when I'm
hiking on uneven terrain.  I have issues with their claim of "superior
anatomical fit."  I found that I rely on them for warmth with my
hiking shoes more than with backpacking/hiking boots because they are
short and they slide around on my foot and they slip on my heels
somewhat. They feel very cozy on. The cushioning is ample. They seem
to wick moisture fairly well.  They are warmer than other socks that I
own and my feet sweat in them, but don't stay wet.

I have washed and dried them many times and they have worn very well.
They seem to have retained their shape and elasticity very well
because they slipped when I first bought them.

Summary
I like these socks.  I love the color.  I wear them more with my
hiking shoes for light hiking in winter, as well as for everyday use
with other everyday shoes. I will continue to wear them, but probably
not to backpack or hike in.  I'm afraid with all the slipping that I
will get blisters.

What I like
I love the color.
They keep my feet warm.
They feel nice and cozy on my feet.

What I don't like
They don't fit as tightly as I like.
They slip around my heel.

Hi Dawn,

This looks good. You can place it at:

Reviews > Clothing > Socks > Point 6 Hiking Tech Med Mini Crew

See you on the next one,

Ray

Hi Dawn,

Well it was decided that this could go up even though they don't make them any
longer, so here you go. I just have a couple eduts, after which you can place it
at:

Reviews > Clothing > Socks > Bridgedale Endurance Trail UL Sock


See you down the trail,

Ray


***MSRP: $16.95 US

Edit: as they are not made any longer there really is no MSRP so this should
just be N/A


Like the last review this one needs some field data. Where were they used for
hiking, what were the conditions, etc.

Tester Information
�
Name: Greg Rowlings
Email: greg_rowlings@...���
Age: 37
Location: Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
Gender: Male
Height: 1.74m
Weight: 90kgs
�
Bio: I have been hiking since a very early age. My playground was the Overland
Track in Tasmania. I have been a guide for various trekking companies on the
Overland Track. Additionally, I spent some time in the Australian Army walking
around various parts of Australia. I have been on hiking trips through the
Himalayas as well as Europe. I like to hike with my wife and/or friends. We
usually go for 5-6 days and we carry packs between 16-25kgs. I like to use
quality equipment that promotes reliabilty and durability.
�
Product Information
�
Manufacturer: Kovea
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: http://www.kovea.com/
Listed Weight: 291g
�
Note: For this review I will use a MSR 227g (8 oz) ISPPRO cannister that gives
approx 2-3hrs a burn time (you can use smaller cannisters)
�
�
Summary
�
I have traditionally used an MSR Dragonfly as my stove of choice. However, due
to flight restrictions I had to seek an alternative. MSR fuel stoves can be a
little messy as well as dangerous for the less experienced user. I want
something simple that my wife could use without freaking her out or burning down
our tent!! I wanted a stable, compact and lightweight stove hat could hold a
sizable pot. Looking at various options, I decided with the Kovea Moonwalker.
�
Not knowing about the different sizes of gas cannisters, I bought three
different sizes and used then on different overnight and 4 day walks with varied
results. This model has a built in windshield, but for best results (especially
in Tasmania), I suggest carrying the "traditional" windshield to maximum
heating.
�
Field Use
�
So far I have used this stove on walks at sea level to cooking at altitude (Mt
Ossa, 1617 m). Mostly I have used this stove to boil water or to re-hydrate food
for four hikers. The large burner surface makes meal time a breeze and you can
adjust the stove to allow for versatile cooking options. I have found that the
227g MSR ISOPRO cannister fives you excellent heat at altitude and at sea level.
The burn time varies with altitude, however I find this size cannister last the
trip and is compact enough that it doesnt take up too much space in your
backpack.
�
Things I like
�
- I love the way this stove folds away neatly and has it's own container. This
was a a strong selling point as the MSR Dragonfly could not match the Moonwalker
in the department. The container fits neatly into our pot for added protection!!
- My wife loves the ease of use, especially the Piezo ignition system. It's
safe, reliable and so easy to use.
- The extra wide legs are a huge bonus.....especially with clumsy hikers who
"accidently" knock things over! Having stability means you can use a 2 litre pot
with piece of mind!!
- I like the length of the hose and the compact valve and tap.....it keeps the
fuel source away from the stove - Saftey is paramount!!
- As mentioned, the large burner surface caters for a variety of cooking options
and delivers excellent heat when needed!
- Less noise than the MSR Dragonfly....other campers will love you!!!
�
Things I dont like
�
- Whilst Kovea states that the windshield is suffcient, I can tell you that on a
gusty day, this stove like most will not be as efficient. I suggest taking a
windshielf to maximise heating.
- As this is my first cannister stove, I cannot fault the product. As a
conservationalist, it does take some getting use to disposing of used
cannisters...hopefully one day someone will invent a re-useable product!!
�
Conclusion
�
This�is an excellent product. It met all of my selection criteria. The ease of
use and the lightweight folding capabilities score a huge tick. I highly
recommend this product to anyone who hikes in small groups!!I am sad to
say....the days of pumping and priming are over!!!�

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Greetings Greg,

Good to see another Apple Ile  tester coming on board.

I see that you are from the north of the state.

Jamie, another tester from Tassie comes from Hobart.

Welcome.

Cheers

Ralph from WA





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I decided I needed to do some work on the Field Conditions section, so here's
round 2:

>
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> Backcountry Access Traverse EXT Shovel
> Owner Review by Andrea Murland
> January 16, 2013
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> Tester Information
> Name:  Andrea Murland
> Email:  amurland AT shaw DOT ca
> Age:  27
> Location:  Elkford & Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
> Gender:  Female
> Height:  5 ft 2 in (1.57 m)
> Weight:  125 lb (57 kg)
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> I began hiking frequently in 2006 and have since hiked in Western Canada,
Australia, and spent 2 months backpacking in the Alps. I spend most weekends
either day-hiking or on 2-3 day backpacking trips, with some longer trips when I
can manage them. I also snowshoe and ski in the winter, but don't have a lot of
experience with winter in the backcountry yet. Elevation is typically 500-3,000
m (1,600-10,000 ft), in the Canadian Rockies and the Selkirk, Purcell, and
Monashee ranges. I try for a light pack, but I don't consider myself a
lightweight backpacker.
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> Product Information
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> Manufacturer: Backcountry Access
> Manufacturer's URL: http://www.backcountryaccess.com/
> Year of Manufacture: 2008
> Model: Traverse EXT Shovel
> MSRP: Not Available
> Listed Weight: 567 g (20 oz)
> Measured Weight: 605 g (21.3 oz)
> Listed Blade Dimensions: 9 in x 10 in (23 cm x 25.5 cm)
> Measured Blade Dimensions: 9 in x 10 in (23 cm x 25.5 cm)
> Listed Extended Length: 31 in (78 cm)
> Measured Extended Length: 31 in (78 cm)
> Listed Collapsed Length: 24 in (60 cm)
> Measured Collapsed Length: 24 in (60 cm)
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> Description
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> The Backcountry Access Traverse EXT Shovel is an aluminum backcountry snow
shovel with a handle that is removable from the blade and also extends.
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> The blade is made from 6061 Aluminum and is blue.  The blade has four holes
(one at each corner) that can be used for things such as rescue sleds and
anchors.  At the top of the blade an oval tube protrudes, which the handle fits
into.  This tube has a set of small holes which the "buttons" on the handle fit
into�more on that later.
> The handle is oval in cross-section, and is made from two aluminum pieces
which telescope.  The top of the handle has a plastic t-grip.
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> Near the bottom of each piece of the handle is a set of silver "buttons". 
These buttons are mounted on a U-shaped spring inside the shovel.  They are used
to lock the handle pieces into place on the blade and on each other.  The
buttons on the lower piece of the handle can be pushed in to slide the handle
into the blade, and when the buttons line up with holes in the blade they pop
back out, locking the handle in place.  If I wish to remove the handle, I can
depress the buttons and pull the handle out.  A similar system is used to extend
and retract the handle, with buttons on the upper section of handle and holes on
the lower section of the handle.
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> Field Conditions
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> I have been using the Traverse shovel as my avalanche shovel since the winter
of 2008.  Since that time, I have used it to dig snow pits, do snow study tests
(eg. compression tests), dig through avalanche debris, dig through simulated
avalanche debris (eg. snow ploughed from roads), dig several shelters, and dig
out a couple stuck vehicles.  I have also used it once as a sled to sit on while
sliding down a snowy (and rocky) slope. I estimate that I have used the Traverse
shovel about 25 times for digging, in addition to carrying it around a lot, in
temperatures ranging from -25 C (-13 F) to 10 C (50 F).
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> I carry the blade and handle separated, and both (along with my probe) in an
exterior pocket on my pack that is stretchy and has a drain hole.  The top of
the pocket is covered by the lid of my pack, so I can reach the shovel quickly
but don't risk catching it on something or losing it in an avalanche.
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> This shovel is stored full-time in my search & rescue pack in the winter,
always ready for action.
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> Review
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> General Use
> The Traverse shovel is a good lightweight avalanche shovel. I like the fact
that the handle extends, which allows for a more natural shoveling position than
with the handle retracted.  It is also good to be able to use the handle
retracted; having both options allows for flexibility in a tight spot. The
length of the retracted handle comfortably fits where I like to carry it in my
pack, so it works great for me.  The size of the blade is decent, though smaller
than some other shovels, especially newer ones.  It's big enough to be
reasonably effective, but not so big that I can't manage shovelfuls of snow.  On
the other hand, it does take me longer to dig with this shovel compared to some
other shovels that I've used.  I'm not a very strong person, and avalanche
debris is heavy, so I don't want a massive blade on my shovel, but I could
manage a bit more snow than this one holds.
> I like the handle being oval.  Backcountry Access says this is for strength. 
What I know is that the handle only fits into the blade in an orientation where
the buttons line up with the holes, which means I never have to fiddle around
with getting everything lined up.  I have had a couple of instances when I
depressed the buttons too far and one popped into the handle.  Although it was
inconvenient, a little bit of fishing around or poking from the end of the
handle was able to get the button back into place.  Although it's only been an
inconvenience so far, I hope it doesn't happen during a real avalanche incident.
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> The back of the shovel is smooth and fairly flat, so achieving a nice flat
wall on a snow pit is possible with a little bit of practice.  It's not my
personal strength, but it is possible.  The edge of the blade is sharp enough to
cut through compacted snow and thin crusts, and with a bit of chopping will also
cut through a thicker icy crust.
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> Durability
> The Traverse shovel has held up well to use.  The edge of the blade shows some
scratches and signs of use.  The back of the blade also has quite a few
scratches from using the shovel as a sled on a barely-covered-in-snow rocky
slope. Functionally, the shovel is as good as new.
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> Summary
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> The Backcountry Access Traverse EXT shovel is an aluminum avalanche shovel
with a removable and extendable handle. It is easy to use and also easy to
carry.
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> Thumbs Up:
> Extendable handle
> Removable handle
> Lightweight
> Handle can only slide into blade in the correct orientation
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> Thumbs Down:
> Buttons have become lodged in handle on occasion
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