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#33491

From: "Will Rietveld" <willjanet@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 5:38 pm
Subject: Problem Uploading to bgt.org

I have been having a problem, for several days, uploading my report
to the files on BGT.org. I get an error message that says no <BODY>
tags. I am wondering if the problem is with my document, or is there
a problem with the server. Will

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#33492

From: "Shane" <shane@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 5:50 pm
Subject: READ THIS! - Problem Uploading to bgt.org

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> I have been having a problem, for several days,
> uploading my report to the files on BGT.org. I get
> an error message that says no <BODY> tags. I am
> wondering if the problem is with my document, or is
> there a problem with the server. Will

The server is experiencing some technical difficulties.  This isn't because
of anything we did, and it isn't anything we can fix.  (When I say we, I
actually mean Dave, since he's the only one with strong enough magic to
wrestle with the server demons...)

Dave has filed trouble tickets, and we expect that the tech people will work
it out soon.

Shane
BGT Moderator

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#33493

From: "Shane" <shane@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: Sawyer Products

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> I've made the suggested changes and incorporated a
> section on the containers.  I'm going to weigh the
> containers when empty and add that information to
> my long term report.

Excellent idea.  I wonder why I didn't think of that for the Travel Medicine
report...

Shane

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#33494

From: "Shane" <shane@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 6:20 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Back and trawling

sssteinkamp

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> >### What? Did you have to ride on a chopper's
> >skids whilst near death?
>
> Nothing that exciting. Had to organise for someone
> who had injured their knee to be picked up and
> driven out.

Ah....  Now I get it...

To my mind an 'extraction' is when the take something out of your body.  Now
I see that you mean that someone's body was extracted out of the
wilderness...

Shane

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#33495

From: "Shane" <shane@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 6:20 pm
Subject: RE: Shoe Sizes (was LONG TERM REPORT-NEOS Navigator 5 Overshoes)

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> Shane -- If you're reading this, could you put a
> note in the new SOP that we don't need to include
> equivalents for shoe sizes?

So noted.

Shane

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#33496

From: rebecca@...
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: FIELD REPORT: Black Diamond Flicklock Contour Trekking Poles

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Hey mark - thanks for the great report.  I like the 'diary' style.  Just a
couple of comments/edits below, marked with ###.



> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
> Black Diamond Flicklock Contour Trekking Poles - Field Report
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> -( Reviewer Information )-   -( Product Information )-
> Name:  Mark Stiebel   Manufacturer: Black Diamond
> (www.BlackDiamondEquipment.com)
> Age:  27   Model: Contour Trekking Pole
> Gender:  Male   Year of manufacture: 2003
> Height:  175cm (5'8")   Listed Weight: 480g (17oz) per pair
> Weight:  86kg (190lb)   Measured Weight: Just under 500g (17.6oz)
> Email:  mark@...
> Location:  Melbourne, Australia
> Date:  6th March 2003
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
> -( Walking Background )-
> I started backpacking in high school just over ten years ago. Most of my
> walking has been in the Victorian high country, consisting of two to
> three-day walks. I have walked such walks in all seasons - summer days
> reaching 35�C-40�C (95�F-105�F) to winter nights reaching 0�C (32�F) and
> below. In the past months I have also taken up an interest in rogaining
> (For more information see the Australian Rogaining Association web site.

### You need a closing parenthesis after web site )

> Starting out as most do carrying everything that I might need on my
> back, I have recently taken more of an interest in lightweight
> backpacking. I will admit now that I have only ever used poles with snow
> skis (alpine and nordic) on my feet, never with walking boots, so I
> imagine that this test series will be of some use to those who might be
> thinking about using a pair.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
> -( In The Field )-
> As mentioned in my initial report, the first use of the Black Diamond
> Flicklock Contour Trekking Poles was in Nepal
> [http://froop.net/photo/nepal/index.php] trekking up to Annapurna Base
> Camp. As I have never used trekking poles before this trip, I though it
> the perfect opportunity to see just how much difference they can make.
>
> To introduce the sort of terrain around the Himalayas, the locals joke
> that there is no flat ground in Nepal. And they're not far from wrong!
> They also seem to subscribe to the notion that the shortest distance
> between to points is in a straight line, no matter how high the
> mountains in between are. And lastly, I once pointed a peak out to our
> guide, asking what it was called. His reply was that its not even 5000 m
> (16,000 ft) high, and they don't give hill names, only mountains.
>
> [---
>   Day One:
> Used the trekking poles for the first time today. Took a bit of getting
> used to, but easy to get a rhythm going once I'm moving. My arms felt a
> little tired at times from being used more than they usually are. I
> collapsed the poles at lunch, and then the binary adjuster on one pole
> did not engage, so the poles stayed stuck to my pack for the rest of the
> day.
>
> The rubber feet on the poles seem to flex a bit, because the little
> metal disc inside doesn't quite fit properly. It appears to be a quick
> solution to the problem of having the sharp ends damage the plastic
> feet.
> ---]
>
> Binary Problems
> It did not bode well for the poles, having them fail only half a day
> into my trek, just when I was getting used to them. Once we'd settled
> into our guest house for the evening, I employed a little percussive
> maintenance on the troublesome pole, including varying amounts of
> prodding, twisting, pulling and yanking, until eventually the poles
> succumbed to my persuasions and the binary locks have worked perfectly
> ever since.
>
> [---
>   Day Three:
> By lunch time of day two I'm getting used to using the trekking poles. A
> couple of issues I've encountered so far:
>
> I need to make the straps a little shorter, but the adjustment is
> stopped by the wide padded section,
> One of the rubber feet fell off without me realising, so it is gone
> forever. That did help me realise that the pointed end does give better
> purchase on rocky surfaces, but it does make an annoying clicking sound
> with every step.
> Today I did not use the poles, and noticed that uphill was harder on my
> knees without the extra support from my upper body, although my hands
> were left free for adjusting my pack and for taking photos.
> ---]
>
> Handles & Straps
> Although I do believe the straps, even at their shortest length, are a
> little too long for me, I did not find it a big problem overall. I
> hardly ever gripped very hard on the handle itself, but instead let the
> straps take most of the force. Using the poles this way I found that if
> I pulled the straps as short as I could that my hands fitted snugly into
> the curve of the handle. However, usually by around lunch time the
> straps would have slipped only slightly, requiring a quick tug to
> shorten them again. Possibly someone with smaller wrists may have more
> trouble.
>
> [---
>   Day Five:
> After another day of not using the poles, I put the baskets onto them
> for use through the muddy ground between wet and slippery stone steps.
> The stones got quite a beating on the steps, often getting caught in
> small gaps as I stepped forward, and then catching me unawares as they
> sprung back nice and straight.
> There were also a few times when I put my entire body weight onto either
> one or both poles when hurdling large puddles or other, often
> agricultural, obstacles.
>
> The straps and handles got saturated in the rain today, but the dense
> sponge handles did well to avoid absorbing water, and didn't feel any
> wetter than from my sweat on previous hot days.
> ---]
>
> Strength & Construction
> These poles have impressed me greatly with their strength and
> construction. I was sceptical at first about the ability of the
> Flicklock mechanism holding under strain, but both poles remain sturdy,
> and the Flicklock hasn't given me any trouble whatsoever, even when
> thrown into a couple of torrential downpours. Prior to using the poles,
> I would have thought that a great test of strength would be to plant
> both poles in front of me, and swing forward between them, putting my
> whole body weight along with some angular force onto the poles. As it
> turns out, I need to find a tougher test before these poles even think
> about buckling.

### I believe the correct term is FlickLock (with the capital L).  You will need
to find -> Replace this throughout the report.

> [---
>   Day Seven:
> The poles came into their own today through snow and ice, both to steady
> myself and to check the ground when I was unsure of snow depth or
> stability. I used to poles wearing moderately lightweight polar fleece
> gloves, and after a little struggle to extend the straps, the handles
> were just as comfortable with gloves as without them.
>
> Being able to extend the poles to 135cm (53") also means that if
> required they can make useful avalanche poles, but fortunately I haven't
> needed to use them for the purpose.
>
> I am glad Black Diamond elected to put only the one moulded grip instead
> of one for each finger. Having only the one finger moulded allows a good
> grip, but also leaves flexibility to be able to shift your grip with
> more freedom.
> ---]
>
> Summing It Up
> I never really thought that trekking poles would help out a great deal,
> and to a certain extent I still feel that is the case. Having said that,
> using these poles on my trek up to Annapurna Base Camp certainly did
> make some of the sections of uphill quite a bit easier on my knees. The
> Black Diamond Flicklock Contours, despite a couple of small issues, have
> proved themselves as sturdy pieces of equipment that so far have thrown
> back every bit of abuse that I have thrown at them.
>
>
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#33497

From: "Bill Baldwin" <wb7192@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: EDIT: HSSC Stream Initial Report

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Mark,
Thanks for taking the time to edit my report.  I have made the
suggested edits and will upload as soon as the site is available.

bill

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Stiebel" <mark@f...> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Sorry for the delay in editing your initial report. Great report, and I
> have included only a few minor comments below. Feel free to take them on
> board as you see fit, and post your report to the website.

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#33498

From: "grahamblamey" <gg@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 9:19 pm
Subject: APPROVAL:Ortho Evra Birth Control patch:Heather

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--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, Royalepain@a... wrote:
> Ortho Evra Birth Control Patch
> Owner Review by Heather Martin
> June 30th 2003

Heather, many thanks for making the changes and thanks also for all the work
you've put in on this review.
Cheers,
Graham Blamey
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There is a problem at the moment, but when BGT.org allows, you can upload your
review to:

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tho%20Evra%20Birth%20Control%20patch/

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I strongly recommend that you do a test upload to the test upload folder at
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allows you to check that all is well with your Owner Review before you
place it on the main site. One problem area which comes all to often, is
URL not being hot (clickable). Please verify that all links in your Owner
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#33499

From: "Josh Dunning" <jdunning@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: EDIT: HSSC Stream Hydration Pack Initial Report

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--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Stiebel" <mark@f...>
wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> Thanks for your extremely thorough initial report. Hopefully you can
> make the valve work properly for the rest of your test.
>
> I have included a few minor edits below, plus you might also want to
> think about breaking up some of the large paragraphs to increase
> readability a bit.
>
>  -= Mark
>   -= mark@f...

Thanks for the edits, I've made them as I see fit, and added some
more content regarding the side pockets. Don't know how I missed
those!

I'll upload it as soon as the site's back up.

J

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#33500

From: "Mike Lissner" <mlissner@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 10:39 pm
Subject: REPOST - Vasque Zephyr GTX Backpacking Boots

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Owner Review
Vasque Zephyr GTX (Goretex) Backpacking Boots
By Michael Jay Lissner


Tester Biography:
Name: Michael Jay Lissner
Date of Birth: 9 June 1982
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Height: 6'6" (198cm)
Weight: 190lbs. (86kg)
Email Address: yourmothership@...
City of Current Residence: Depending on time of year: San Diego, CA /
Saranac Lake, NY / Claremont, CA
Country: USA


Backpacking Background:
I was first introduced into backpacking through the Boy Scouts, and it was
my love of backpacking that made me stick all the way through and get my
Eagle. After becoming too old to continue in Boy Scouts, I had trouble
motivating myself to plan my own trips, and did not backpack for a few
years, until I realized that I should thru-hike the PCT. I am currently in a
multiyear training program, practicing techniques, studying backpacking
literature, getting in shape, planning the many wee details and perhaps most
importantly, converting my ultra-heavy Boy Scout techniques into ones more
suited to ultra-light thru-hiking. My current style is a minimalist one
relying on more intelligence and discomfort and less on safety gear and
toys. I would describe it as nearly ultra-light status, but not quite there
yet. My usual stomping grounds are the Laguna Mountains (when in San Diego),
the San Bernardino Mountains (when in Claremont), the Adirondacks around
Saranac Lake, and occasionally- when gas prices allow- the southern Sierras.


Product Information
Manufacturer: Vasque
Product Name: Zephyr GTX Backpacking Boot
Year of Manufacture: 2002
Suggested Retail Price: $165 US
Manufacturer�s URL: http://www.vasque.com
Weight as listed on Manufacturer�s URL: 52 ounces (1.47 kilograms)
Size Tested: 13 American (47 European)
Actual Weight (as purchased): 65 ounces (1.84 kilograms)
Review Date: 27 June 2003
Product Description: Medium-weight tall backpacking boots with a Goretex
lining, webbed tongue and Vibram outsoles. Further description from the
Vasque website includes:
- Color: Brown/Brown-Black
- 2.4mm Waterproof Nubuck Leather
- Nylon Fabric
- DryTech Footbed
- 3-Bar Knit Nylon Lining
- Tri-Density Contoured Phylon Midsole
- Vibram� Trailtech High Carbon Rubber Outsole
- Goretex
- Integration Technology
- Padded Collar

Review
I have had the opportunity to use these boots on several occasions. Thus
far, thanks to my college�s superb abroad program, I have been able to use
them in rather varied conditions. During each, I have worn the same large
sized medium weight Smartwool socks, and have covered between 15 to 25 miles
(approximately 24-40 kilometers) daily.
I have used them in very early spring in Spain on the asphalt roads, snowy
trails and ancient roman stone roads of the Camino De Santiago, in early
summer in the mountains and marshes (oh gosh, who am I kidding - swamps) in
upstate New York, and in the mountains of the San Bernardino range east of
Los Angeles County. Each of these trips has effectively tried a different
element of the boots, and it is with these trips under my belt that I feel
ready to write this review.

Oddly, although during the summer the Camino De Santiago is probably one of
the easiest long-distance hikes around, it seems that during the very early
spring it is not so. During my journey, I trudged through massive quantities
of sticky and deep mud, miles of wet snow, and kilometers of rigid pavement.
The results of these trials were mixed for these boots. It should first be
mentioned that at the time of this trip, the boots were very new, and that
that could account for some of the good and the bad results of these trials.

The results were these: During the muddy sections, the cleats on the bottom
of the boot did little to �self clean� as it is written directly in their
mold pattern. At times, I probably had upwards of two pounds (.900
kilograms) of mud stuck to the bottom of each boot. There were times that
there was so much mud on their bottoms that I was pretty sure that the boots
themselves were no longer even touching the ground. This mud was not to be
trifled with. I have never seen anything like it. The obvious question is
probably whether or not one can blame the boots for this mud�s tenacious
grip and vicious viscosity. Personally, I did not blame the boots during the
trip, nor do I blame them now. Truth be told, smaller cleats would not have
held so much mud on the bottom in the first place, but I believe that
without the cleats, I would not have been able to so much as walk on this
most evil of mud.

During the many miles of shallow snow hiking (six inches [about 15
centimeters] deep at maximum) that I did during this trip, I was greatly
pleased. At times, there was a rivulet thriving along the center of the
trail directly under the snow, and even with that wetness combined with the
wetness of the melting snow, my feet remained blissfully dry�or so I
believed. In retrospect, I cannot be sure that they were indeed perfectly
dry. There were times when I stepped into a deeper rivulet, and later felt
my foot being cold. I cannot be sure whether that was the feeling of dipping
my boot in ice water or of the ice water actually getting in the boot. In
any event though, my foot was dry at the end of the day. While I am on the
subject of watertightness, I should make a few comments about the
construction of Goretex and the boots on the whole. The first thing to know
about Goretex is that it is a thin rubbery membrane that can easily be
damaged in a myriad of ways. The four easiest (not to mention most obvious)
are through excessive heat, bodily contaminates, excessive rubbing and
excessive bending. The first of these (excessive heat) is simple enough:
during ordinary wear and tear, your boots should never experience the pains
of intense heat. The second, third and fourth however are unavoidable in a
pair of boots, and the efficacy of Goretex can practically be graphed going
down as boots get older, membranous pores get more filled with bodily
contaminates and the membrane gets more worn in general. That having been
said, upon the second trip listed above, through the swamps of the
Adirondacks, it should be noted that the Goretex was noticeably less
effective, and my feet were noticeably wetter. There were many river
crossings, and even with the use of a trekking pole, not all of them were as
successful as one might hope. At the end of the day, I was able to literally
ring a cupful of water out of each of my socks. Not good news for the
Goretex PR department, but these were extreme conditions that would
practically get rubber boots wet inside.

The final trial for these boots came when I went on a trip in the San
Bernardino Mountains. Up until this trip, the boots had not been truly
tested in steep mountainous terrain, and therefore could not prove
themselves as keeping my feet entirely blister free. A keen reader of my
biography might find it odd that I am an ultralight hiker wearing boots that
weigh in at over four pounds (1.85 kilograms). Indeed, at that weight, these
boots weigh more than any other item either in my pack or on my person. The
reason for this split in technique is twofold. First, I have a bum ankle
that will roll in the wind if I let it. Second, I feel that comfort is more
important than any other characteristic in my footwear (regardless of its
creed).  As it was comfort that led me to these boots, it should come as
little surprise that they scored marvelously well in the blister department.
Aside from the beginnings of one during that swampy section earlier, for
which the boots can hardly be blamed, yielding none whatsoever.

That having been said, I have a few comments on the fit of the boots. First
and foremost, I feel bound to mention that the rubber toe reinforcement area
is good for durability but poor for fitting. Were it not there, the store
where I had purchased the boots would have been able to use a rubbing bar to
stretch the boots in that direction if need be, so that�s a mixed bag.
Vasque did, however, do something brilliant in the fit of these shoes. At
the top of the shoe lace slides, there are locking D-rings that allow the
wearer to adjust the tightness of the boot to two levels of tightness: one
on the top (above the locking D-rings) and one on the bottom (below them). I
have found this to work very well. My one complaint about the fit of the
boots is a bit of a mystery, and could certainly be a personal problem.
Oddly enough, this problem only arises after about 15 miles (24 kilometers)
of hiking. It is an intense pain in the ball of each of my feet. It comes
and goes, leaves no visible trace, and really is discouraging. I have two
theories on it. The first is that it is a product of the stiffness of the
outsole battling against the bending of my foot. Their soles are rather
rigid, and my foot does like to bend. I find it entirely possible that their
bending point is not lining up perfectly with mine. The other theory is that
I had the boots laced up too tightly, and that enough blood was not reaching
my feet. Whatever the case, the symptoms are getting better with each hike,
so something is changing for the better, whether it be my foot or the boots,
I care not.

One of the elements of these boots that drew me to them was their
combination of leather and fabric. I chose them specifically for the hikes
leading up to my thru-hike of the Pacific Crest Trail and for the hike
itself, and knew that they would have to perform both in extremely hot
conditions and extremely cold ones. At this point, I believe they will do
both moderately well. When I was hiking through the shallow snow in Spain,
my feet did feel a little bit cold, but not so much that I worried about it
for a second. During the heat of the summer hike in the San Bernardino
Mountains, they did feel a little hot, but not so much that I was concerned.
To me, if a pair of boots is slightly cold with a medium sock in winter and
slightly hot with a medium sock in summer it is perfect for both with proper
sock choice.

During these trips, I did not carry extra pairs of shoes to change into upon
arriving back in camp, and surprisingly, that was something that I regretted
somewhat. Although they are rather comfortable boots, I found that having
something back in camp would have been nice. Generally however, for lack of
those extra shoes, I just climbed in my tent, cooked some dinner and passed
out for the night.

Finally, as far as the durability of these boots goes, again, it is a mixed
bag. On the one hand, their triple stitching is very secure, and they seem
together today as they were the day I bought them. On the other, one of my
shoelaces has already broken through its sheath, and is now functioning by
means of the core alone; in one isolated spot a very small area (perhaps an
eighth of an inch long) of the rubber toe reinforcement area has peeled up;
and the Goretex is obviously breaking down little by little. The lace will
soon break, I do not believe that the rubber toe reinforcement area will get
worse very quickly, and the Goretex is something I planned on happening.

Conclusions
Vasque has made a pair of medium weight boots that:
- Grip the earth tenaciously (perhaps too much so),
- Keep out the water in all but the worst conditions,
- Fit wonderfully, but are perhaps too sturdily built,
- Make for comfortable three season boots and
- Are rather durable, excusing the laces and Goretex.

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#33501

From: "Mark Stiebel" <mark@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: FIELD REPORT: Black Diamond Flicklock Contour Trekking Poles

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> Hey mark - thanks for the great report.  I like the 'diary' style.  Just a
> couple of comments/edits below, marked with ###.

I'll make the changes, and upload the report when the BGT uploads are
operational again. (I'll also change the report date too, which I forgot
to modify when using my initial report as a template :) ).


  -= Mark Stiebel
��-= mark@...

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#33502

From: "Andy Rad" <andy.rad@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 10:56 pm
Subject: APPLICATION to test the Black Diamond Beta Light30

arad1

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APPLICATION to test the Black Diamond Beta Light30

I have read/agree to the BGT Survival Guide, and have signed the
tester agreement.

Personal Biography:
Name:  Andy Rad
Age:  44
Gender:  Male
Height: 6 foot (1.83m)
Weight: 165 lbs (75 kg)
Email Address: aisrad@...
City, State, Country:  Boise, Idaho, USA
Date:  July 1, 2003

I started backpacking 21 years ago, mostly 3-day trips with at least
a 7-day trip per year.  By backpacking, I'm referring to summer,
winter camping, and fall hunting.  About half my trips are light
weight solo and the other half with my family.  I purchased a
pet/pack llama, named Sarapi, when my 3rd child was 2, some 10 years
ago.  This allowed me to continue backpacking as a family activity.
When I'm not with the family/llama I tend to take less-traveled
trails or bushwhack the hard mountainous terrain in and around
Idaho.  In recent years I've begun substituting a collie for the
llama.
I purchased the Golite Hex 3 and floor last year.  Before the
purchase I took a hard look at the Black Diamond Beta Light, but
went with the Hex because of the sale price.  Both tents are very
light and can utilize a trekking pole for assembly.  The Hex had the
advantage of a single pole/higher peak, but the Beta looks to have
more volume/living area.  The height and ventilation of the Hex
facilitates indoor cooking during the winter, I'd be concerned doing
that in the Beta unless I had an opportunity to try it.
My preference would to test it with the Bug-Mesh.  The extra weight
is worth the sleep and not having the mosquitoes eat me up during
early/mid summer.
I generally use a Golite Den 2 during the summer months, and would
appreciate the opportunity to test out the Beta.  My trips are
generally 3 night trips into the central Idaho mountains, thus the
common thunder showers.  Winter months are where I'd love to try
this tent, but we are talking March until I'd be able to provide
that report.  During the winter a floor would be appreciated if the
manufacture would like to provide, otherwise I'll use Dupont Tyvek.

Thank you for considering me to test your gear.


Please see links below for other reviews I have written. Thank you.
Marmot Down Vest Owners Review
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Clothing/Jackets/Marmot%
20Down%20vest%205630/Owner%20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/

Mountainsmith FrostfireII Owners Review
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Packs/Internal%20and%
20External%20Framed%20Backpacks/Mountainsmith%20Frostfire%20II/Owner%
20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/

Therm-a-Rest Easy Chair � Lite 20
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Camp%20Chairs%20and%
20Seating/Chairs/Therm-A-Rest%20Easy%20Chair%20-%20Lite%2020/Owner%
20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/





I have read/agree to the BGT Survival Guide, and have signed the
tester agreement.

Personal Biography:
Name:  Andy Rad
Age:  44
Gender:  Male
Height: 6 foot (1.83m)
Weight: 165 lbs (75 kg)
Email Address: aisrad@...
City, State, Country:  Boise, Idaho, USA
Date:  July 1, 2003

I started backpacking 21 years ago, mostly 3-day trips with at least
a 7-day trip per year.  By backpacking, I'm referring to summer,
winter camping, and fall hunting.  About half my trips are light
weight solo and the other half with my family.  I purchased a
pet/pack llama, named Sarapi, when my 3rd child was 2, some 10 years
ago.  This allowed me to continue backpacking as a family activity.
When I'm not with the family/llama I tend to take less-traveled
trails or bushwhack the hard mountainous terrain in and around
Idaho.  In recent years I've begun substituting a collie for the
llama.
I purchased the Golite Hex 3 and floor last year.  Before the
purchase I took a hard look at the Black Diamond Beta Light, but
went with the Hex because of the sale price.  Both tents are very
light and can utilize a trekking pole for assembly.  The Hex had the
advantage of a single pole/higher peak, but the Beta looks to have
more volume/living area.  The height and ventilation of the Hex
facilitates indoor cooking during the winter, I'd be concerned doing
that in the Beta unless I had an opportunity to try it.
My preference would to test it with the Bug-Mesh.  The extra weight
is worth the sleep and not having the mosquitoes eat me up during
early/mid summer.
I generally use a Golite Den 2 during the summer months, and would
appreciate the opportunity to test out the Beta.  My trips are
generally 3 night trips into the central Idaho mountains, thus the
common thunder showers.  Winter months are where I'd love to try
this tent, but we are talking March until I'd be able to provide
that report.  During the winter a floor would be appreciated if the
manufacture would like to provide, otherwise I'll use Dupont Tyvek.

Thank you for considering me to test your gear.


Please see links below for other reviews I have written. Thank you.
Marmot Down Vest Owners Review
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Clothing/Jackets/Marmot%
20Down%20vest%205630/Owner%20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/

Mountainsmith FrostfireII Owners Review
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Packs/Internal%20and%
20External%20Framed%20Backpacks/Mountainsmith%20Frostfire%20II/Owner%
20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/

Therm-a-Rest Easy Chair � Lite 20
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Camp%20Chairs%20and%
20Seating/Chairs/Therm-A-Rest%20Easy%20Chair%20-%20Lite%2020/Owner%
20Review%20by%20Andy%20Rad/

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#33503

From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:22 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Back and trawling

aushiker

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At 02:20 AM 02/07/2003, you wrote:
> > >### What? Did you have to ride on a chopper's
> > >skids whilst near death?
> >
> > Nothing that exciting. Had to organise for someone
> > who had injured their knee to be picked up and
> > driven out.
>
>Ah....  Now I get it...
>
>To my mind an 'extraction' is when the take something out of your body.  Now
>I see that you mean that someone's body was extracted out of the
>wilderness...

You got it :-)

Andrew

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#33504

From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: Approval to Upload - Clarification

aushiker

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At 05:50 PM 01/07/2003, you wrote:

>I hadn't realized this.  Should i upload my Expedition Asym initial
>report now or continue to wait for Mike's edit?

Hi Marc

As we are having server problems at present (i.e., can't upload) you might
as well wait until Mike edits your report.

Regards
Andrew


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#33505

From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: MONITOR'S REPORT: Leki Ultralite Ti AirErgo Pa Trekking Poles

aushiker

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At 01:18 PM 01/07/2003, you wrote:
>Yes.  I think we got all the editing taken care of last week.  We should be
>good to go to the once per month Monitor report on this one.

Hi Mike

Great.  Good to see the reports finalised on time.

As the field reports are now finalised, going to monthly reporting is the
correct procedure.  Your next Test Monitor's report is due on August 6,
2003 and then the first Wednesday of the month until one month out from the
Long-Term due date.

Thanks
Andrew

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#33506

From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: Field Report Mini-Trek Flashlight

aushiker

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At 10:06 PM 01/07/2003, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>here is my field report on this awesome flashlight. Sorry for the last
>minute posting, but the weekend was too nice to write a report. Finally
>summer is here in New England as well.

Ahh ... Bill Bryson country :-)

Andrew


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#33507

From: "J Cornelius" <dojers@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:41 pm
Subject: REPOST: Application to test X-Trac OS - Jodi

Dojers

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Here we go again - I THINK I'm good to go this time LOL

Sorry 'bout dat!
Jodi

Please review and accept my application to test the X-Trac OS.  I have
read the Survival guide 1202 and in particular chapter 5 and agree to
follow all guidelines within.  I have also sent in my signed agreement.

If accepted for this test, I would need a US size 9 since it doesn�t
appear they have half sizes � unless they are made big in which case I�d
need an 8 since I normally wear an 8.5.  How do we find this out??

Personal biographical information

Name � Jodi Cornelius
Age - 41
Gender - Female
Height  - 5�3� (1.60m)
Weight  - 160 (73kg)
Shoe Size � 8 � US Womens
Email address � dojers@...
Derrick City, PA 16727

Backpacking background � I�ve hiked in Vasquez hiking boots forever.
However, I love sandals and have many times considered buying some and
hiking in them but didn�t know what to look for.  If I am chosen for
this test, I would most likely test them with socks.  What I would be
looking for in the sandal is the following:

1 � Comfort � does the toe guard keep me from stubbing my toe
frequently?  Not necessarily stop it, but does it ease the chances of
stubbing my toe.  Also, does the toe guard help keep out gravel, stones,
twigs, and all the other miscellaneous things you discover out on the
trail.  Is the support enough even with my ortho inserts? The ortho
inserts I use are a �standard� heel and arch support given to me by my
podiatrist as my arches ache when walking and I have bone spurs on my
heels.  They are not specially made.   I�d also want to find out if my
inserts ride right in the sandal?

2 � Durability � how well do they hold up after repeated hikings through
creeks, streams, mud bogs?

3 � Cleaning � how easily are they cleaned?  If I rinse them in the
creek during a trip, will they dry fairly quickly?  Is a creek rinsing
enough to keep the sandal decent?  How does the material react with
repeated dunkings?

I would wear them on day hikes in the wooded area behind my house, and
on some planned trips on the Morrison Trail, Brush Hollow/Mill Creek,
Hickory Creek Wilderness, Minister Creek Trail, Buzzard Swamp, Tracy
Ridge, Beaver Meadows, and Timberdoodle Flats to name a few.  So they
won�t be wasted by 1 or 2 hikes.  The terrain for these hikes range from
easy jaunts to moderately difficult up and downs which would allow me to
test them in all kinds of conditions.

Weather conditions:  Summer, temps are up into the 70s (21 C) and 80s
(27 C) with the occasional rainstorm.  Would be able to test them in
mud, rocky trails, and normal trail conditions (normal being a relative
term, just not in THIS family <smile>)


Thank you for considering me.

Current Tests

Adventure Medical kit .9 Ultralight �
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Health%20&%20Safety/First%20Aid%
20Kits/Adv%20Med%20Kits%20UL%20.9%20First%20Aid%20Kit/Jodi%20Cornelius/I
nitial%20Report/

Wild Roses Sedona Rose P-Tights �
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Clothing/Pants/Wild%20Roses%20Se
dona%20Rose%20P-Tights/Jodi%20Cornelius/Field%20Report/

Deuter Futura 32 Daypack �
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Packs/Frameless%20Backpacks%20an
d%20Day%20Packs/Deuter%20Futura%2032/Jodi%20Cornelius/Field%20Report/

Sawyer Insect Repellents �
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Health%20&%20Safety/Insect%20Rep
ellents/Sawyer%20Inscect%20Repellents/Jodi%20Cornelius/Initial%20Report/

I have two owner reviews posted.

MSR Whisperlite
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Cook%20Gear/Stoves/MSR%20Whisper
lite%20Shakerjet/Owner%20Review%20by%20Jodi%20Cornelius/

Freshette Feminine Urinary Director
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Personal%20Hygiene/Feminine%20Hy
giene/Freshette%204-2-P%20Female%20Urinary%20Director/Owner%20Review%20b
y%20Jodi%20Cornelius/




Abnormality is THE normality at this locality

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#33508

From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: APPLICATION to test the Black Diamond Beta Light30

aushiker

Send Email

At 06:56 AM 02/07/2003, you wrote:
>APPLICATION to test the Black Diamond Beta Light30
>
>I have read/agree to the BGT Survival Guide, and have signed the
>tester agreement.

Hi Andy

Just a heads-up on your test application.  Two things. First up we have
quite specific requirements in respect of the reading the Survival Guide
and the related statement. Currently yours does not meet this requirement.
This in itself is sufficient to limit your chances of selection.  You
should ensure your statement complies and then repost your application.

Secondly, I suggest you review Stephanie's test call posting and in
particular the section headed "Test Call Details."  While I am not a Test
Moderator, I would suggest your application does not address a critical
requirement listed in Stephanie's email.

Again I suggest you review your application, beef it up and resubmit it.

Regards
Andrew
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#33509

From: "Bob" <farmerbob48@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:25 am
Subject: EDIT : Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Initial Report, James.

cairns48

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Hi James.  Your Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Initial Test Report looks good.  I do
have a few edit suggestions:

"... adjustable elastic headband which encircles..."
You need to add a comma after headband.
*...adjustable elastic headband, which encircles...*

"There is a coiled cord which connects..."
You need to add a comma after cord.
*There is a coiled cord, which connects...*

"There is a circular lighting device whcih resembles..."
You need to add a comma after device.
*There is a circular lighting device, which resembles...*

"...clicks into the holding bracket which looks..."
You need to add a comma after bracket.
*...clicks into the holding bracket, which looks...*

"There  is a spare Xenon Halogen bulb whcih is..."
You need to add a comma after bulb.
*There is a spare Xenon Halogen bulb, which is...*

"...is cleverly hidden in the clip which holds the..."
You need to add a comma after clip.
*...is cleverly hidden in the clip, which holds the...*

Sorry for the late edit.

Bob Farrell
Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Test Monitor.

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#33510

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:45 am
Subject: Re: Women's Hiking Boots

jwheiler

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Thank you Rebecca.  The information is much appreciated.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebecca" <rebecca@...>
To: <BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [BackpackGearTest] Women's Hiking Boots


> Hi Mike,
>
> I have been very, *very* happy with my Raichle Spirit GTX boots.  For
normal
> hiking I wear NB 804s, and for mountaineering I use LaSportiva Makalus.

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#33511

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:47 am
Subject: Re: Women's Hiking Boots

jwheiler

Send Email

Thanks a lot Cora.  I'll check into these as well.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cora" <cahhmc@...>
To: <BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [BackpackGearTest] Women's Hiking Boots


> Hey Mike,
>
> I hope you are having a super day.
>
> I normally don't wear women's hiking boots (I have
> large feet), but as my mountaineering boots were
> brusing my feet on long hikes, I looked for a new pair
> of hiking boots.  After some searching, I ended up
> with a pair of "La Sportiva Storm Lady GTX" boots,
> more because I found them for an unheard of forty
> bucks than anything else.

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#33512

From: " AsABat" <wjj2001@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:46 am
Subject: Re: Rosaleen for Bill, Monitor of Brasslite Duo test

asabatpct

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Rosaleen and all-

I'll ask the Moderators for advice, but in the meantime email me the
HTML file "just in case." I can't post for you, but maybe they can.

Can we assume you'll be able to post the 60 day report ok?

Good luck,

Bill

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, rosaleen43@a... wrote:
> My Initial report, complete with suggested edits is ready but I
can't upload.
>  There is a problem somewhere causing many of us to get the same
message.
>
> Here is my next problem/question.  Since I can't upload AND this
borrowed
> computer does continue to periodically "flake out," do you want me
to send you a
> copy of my report as a backup?  <snip>

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#33513

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:51 am
Subject: Re: Approval to Upload - Clarification

jwheiler

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Marc:

Just for future reference, as I understand the process, technically after
you have received my edit of your post to the list and have made the
appropriate corrections or changes, you can upload the report.  Although I
appreciate the opportunity to re-review the report and have gladly done so,
it was a step you could have skipped.  I thought I sent out a message last
night that I had re-reviewed the report--if you didn't get it let me know
and I will repost.

Mike
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From: "Marc Pfenning" <magickfingers@...>
To: <BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [BackpackGearTest] Approval to Upload - Clarification


>
> Andrew wrote:
> Approval is <BR>
> > only required for uploading Owner Reviews.  With test reports
> (Initial, <BR>
> > Field and Long-term) Moderator or Test Monitor approval is not <BR>
> > required.  That said, you are encouraged to upload your report
> to the test <BR>
> > folder initially and to wait a few days for your Test Monitor's edit
> (they <BR>
> > have five days), however, you can upload before the Test Monitor's
> edit if <BR>
> > you so wish.<BR>
>
> I hadn't realized this.  Should i upload my Expedition Asym initial
> report now or continue to wait for Mike's edit?  I don't want to delay
> too long, but thought that approval was necessary before the upload.
> Thanks for any clarification.  Marc
> I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> BackpackGearTest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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#33514

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:53 am
Subject: Re: Women's Hiking Boots

jwheiler

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Thanks Cory.  I too am sold on the Vasque line of products but my wife is
not and wanted me to get some additional options.  We'll have her check the
on the Luna at the local Vasque dealer.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cory Lampert" <cory_crosscountry@...>
To: <BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [BackpackGearTest] Women's Hiking Boots

> Hi Mike,
>
> As with any boot, fit is most important, so find a good person to fit
whatever boot she decides to purchase.
>
> I have had great success with the Vasque line of products

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#33515

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:55 am
Subject: Re: MONITOR'S REPORT: Leki Ultralite Ti AirErgo Pa Trekking Poles

jwheiler

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Thanks James.  Look for it tomorrow.

Mike


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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [BackpackGearTest] MONITOR'S REPORT: Leki Ultralite Ti AirErgo
Pa Trekking Poles


>
> I ran into some technical difficulties on my html version of the report.
I
> have it all done, but my son was helping me take pictures of how to grip
> the poles, and the pictures didn't come out.  We'll try again tonight and
> with a little luck, I'll get the report uploaded tomorrow morning.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -James T.
>
>
>
> "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
>
> 07/01/2003 12:18 AM
> Please respond to BackpackGearTest
>
>
> Yes.  I think we got all the editing taken care of last week.  We should
be
> good to go to the once per month Monitor report on this one.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> BackpackGearTest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>

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#33516

From: "Michael Wheiler" <jmwlaw@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:59 am
Subject: Re: Re: Women's Hiking Boots

jwheiler

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Thanks for the input Dawn.  I actually have some Scouts that have gone to
cross-trainer type shoes for hiking rather than hiking boots and seem to do
quite well.  We will have her check out all options.

Mike


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From: "dawnhark" <dawnhark@...>
To: <BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Re: Women's Hiking Boots


> Hi, Mike! This is just from my point of view, but there is no way I'd
> wear a pair of hiking boots on a trek unless they were boots that were
> WELL broken in and heavily tested on numerous day hikes. No way.
>
> That said, I'll personally never buy another pair of hiking boots, and
> I'm hiking more now than I ever have in my life. Get trail runners!!!
>
> I wear NB 805s because I have wide feet and a low arch and they work
> great for me, but there are plenty of other good brands out there for
> her to try on.
>
> Tell her to only buy something that fits and feels wonderful after
> walking around the store for a while--even that is obviously no
> guarantee, though.
>
> With most footwear, the ONLY thing that really matters is comfort.
> Everything else is secondary.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Dawn
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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#33517

From: "Bob" <farmerbob48@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 12:58 am
Subject: EDIT : Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Initial Report, JET.

cairns48

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Hi James.  I looked over your Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Initial Report on
BGT.org, I noticed that you need to add more information to your report.


"PETZL MYO 3 Headlamp
Initial Report



June 19, 2003

TESTER BIOGRAPHY
Name: Dr. Eugene Roddy
Age: 53 years old
Gender: Male
Height: 5'6" (1.67 meters)
Weight: 160 lbs (72.57 kilograms)
Email: hikemstr@...
Location: Hamden, CT USA

Extensive experience as a backpacker, climber and thru hiker who is making
the transition to "lightweight" wilderness travel. The majority of my
travels are in northern New England ranging from Connecticut to Maine. I am
a frequent backpacker on the AT doing sections ranging from two day trips to
three weeks.


HEADLAMP DETAIL"

You need to add the Product Information and the Field Information for the
Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp between the Tester Biography and Headlamp Detail
headings.

*PETZL MYO 3 Headlamp
Initial Report



June 19, 2003

TESTER BIOGRAPHY
Name: Dr. Eugene Roddy
Age: 53 years old
Gender: Male
Height: 5'6" (1.67 meters)
Weight: 160 lbs (72.57 kilograms)
Email: hikemstr@...
Location: Hamden, CT USA

Extensive experience as a backpacker, climber and thru hiker who is making
the transition to "lightweight" wilderness travel. The majority of my
travels are in northern New England ranging from Connecticut to Maine. I am
a frequent backpacker on the AT doing sections ranging from two day trips to
three weeks.

Product Information:
Manufacturer
Year of manufacture
URL of top level manufacturer web site
Listed weight
Weight as delivered

Field Information:
Location or locations where the test was conducted
Description of location (mountains, elevation, terrain, etc.)
Weather conditions (temperature, precipitation, etc.)

HEADLAMP DETAIL*

"137 grams (7.83 ozs)
237 grams (8.36 ozs)
136 grams (4.8 ozs)
230 grams (8.1 ozs)"

Please delete the s from ozs.
Please round off all numbers to a tenth.

*137 grams (7.8 oz)
234 grams (8.4 oz)
136 grams (4.8 oz)
230 grams (8.1 oz)*

Please post your edited Petzl Myo 3 Headlamp Initial Report to the group
first before uploading it to BGT.org.  Sorry for missing these edits the
first time I monitored the report.

Bob Farrell
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#33518

From: "Bob" <farmerbob48@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 1:00 am
Subject: Problem

cairns48

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Tonight while I was trying to sign it to the Yahoo Group, every time my pass
word was invalid.  I know my pass word since I've been with BGT for 3 years
so is Yahoo experiencing a problem.

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#33519

From: "Bob" <farmerbob48@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 1:08 am
Subject: EDIT : Problem, Bob.

cairns48

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Bob, your problem question looks good.  I do have a few edit suggestions:

"Tonight while I was trying to sign it to the Yahoo Group, every time my
pass
word was invalid. I know my pass word since I've been with BGT for 3 years
so is Yahoo experiencing a problem."

You need to change it to in.
*...to sign in to...*

You need to add a period after years.

You need to add a question mark at the end of the sentence.

*Tonight while I was trying to sign in to the Yahoo Group, every time my
pass
word was invalid.  I know my pass word since I've been with BGT for 3 years.
So is Yahoo experiencing a problem?

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#33520

From: rosaleen43@...
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2003 10:24 pm
Subject: Subject: Comment: Mark S.FIELD REPORT: Black Diamond Flick

rosaleen43

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Mark-

I will leave any editing for your monitor.  I thoroughly enjoyed your report
on the Black
Diamond Flick Lock Poles.  I especially like reading about a skeptic becoming
a believer.

Your oblique humor made the report all the more fun to read.

Cheers!

Rosaleen


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