Hi Mara

I have just rechecked it and it looks good now. Might have been one or more
of those split FONT tags.

Andrew

At 12:07 AM 01/06/2002, you wrote:

>I checked the code from Yahoo! edit and there were some split (ie wrapped)
>FONT tags.  But if the Field use one was a problem, then other sections
>would have had the same problem.

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06/01/02

Carlton Simmons, Scott Fox, and Bill Ward have posted their 6 month Maptech
software reports.  Roy Massena has not.  The deadline for the test was
5/27/02.  Roy, please send in your 6 month report as soon as possible.

Bob Farrell









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HI Peggy

Thanks for the review.  In going over the report, I did notice one small
typo in the first paragraph. I think that this sentence should read "There
are several other small MULTITOOLS on the market, ..." with the correction
in capitals.

I also notice that your report does not include the details required in the
"Product Information" section of the BGT Survival Guide.  Could you please
include this information before uploading your report to the appropriate
folder (created).  You can find the BGT Survival Guide at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/1%20BGTSurvivalGuide.htm.

Regards
Andrew Priest
Group Monitor

At 04:19 AM 31/05/2002, you wrote:
>Minibuck Review
>by Peggy Dodson
>   5/30/02

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--- In BackpackGearTest@y..., "redbike64" <richard.dreher@j...> wrote:
> Rain. What's rain?


Rained in Tahoe yesterday and today (lightly where I was, heavier
under thunderheads)...


> Ours should be back in October or so. Guess I'll be sitting this
>one out.


The Bibler site says this bivy is not for heavy or continuous rain,
but is for light rain & snow.


> Nice little bivy though, and light!


Oh yes, I must have one, I need one!!! Looks like the ideal
survival/ultralight goodie to go everywhere with me.

Have to pass on the test though unless they want to see how it
fullfills its other performance areas: superlight emergency shelter,
bag cover, minimalist bivy sack, short light rain/snow showers, under
a tarp as part of an ultralight system, added waterresistent-
breathable-lightweight protection...

If Bibler is interested in having any of these features/uses tested,
I will apply post-haste!!!!

Dawn



>
> --Rick
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@y..., "Mara Factor" <m_factor@h...> wrote:
> > This is a call for testers...
> >
> > We've got five Bibler Winter Bivies to test.  The URL and some
> information
> > from Bibler is included below.
> >
> > Please get your applications in as soon as possible.  I
anticipate
> closing
> > this call for testers next Friday, June 7.
> >
> > Given that these are Winter Bivies and that Bibler would like to
> see these
> > tested in wet conditions, preference will go to those backpacking
> in rainy
> > climates.  Please include expected weather conditions
(temperatures
> and
> > precipitation) in your applications.
> >
> > Please also review the Survival Guide before applying.  To
clarify
> the
> > requirement for links to previously written reports, here's what
> will be in
> > the next version of the Survival Guide:
> >
> > "Previously written reports
> >
> > - Include two URLs to Owner and/or Test reports for two different
> pieces of
> > gear that you have previously submitted.  For test reports, send
> the URL to
> > the Folder with the three or four reports.  For Owner reports,
> since there
> > is only one file, include the URL for that file.  Generally
> speaking, these
> > should be your last two complete test series and/or Owner
reports.
> Failure
> > to include this information will result in your application being
> discarded.
> >
> > - Include a listing of any other tests you are currently involved
> with.
> > URLs are not required for this list.
> >
> > - Include a further listing of previously written owner and/or
test
> reports.
> >   Once again, URLs are not required for this list."
> >
> > I look forward to perusing your applications.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mara
>
> <<snip>>

Hi Peggy

Thanks for the review.  One typo I picked up needs correcting.  In the
third paragraph you have "Regular use of the Slickrock has familiarized me
with al ot of other little "bonuses" in it's construction."  I assume that
this should read "Regular use of the Slickrock has familiarized me with ALL
of THE other little "bonuses" in it's construction."

I also notice that your report does not include the details required in the
"Product Information" section of the BGT Survival Guide.  Could you please
include this information before uploading your report to the appropriate
folder - TNF Sliprock in the |Files |Shelters |Tents section of the
website.  You can find the BGT Survival Guide at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/1%20BGTSurvivalGuide.htm.

Regards Andrew Priest Group Monitor


At 11:37 AM 31/05/2002, you wrote: Slickrock Tent--owner's review (5/30/02)
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Small file deletion favor : )

If you get a chance, could you please delete all files in the following folder
which do not have todays date (6/2/2002)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Water%20Treatment/Pristine%\
20Water%20Purification%20/Robert%20Stanley/


Thanks,

Rob Stanley


P.S. - This should be the last of my updates, it will return access to all of my
previous reports to me for future updates if needed. I wont make the mistake of
changing my email address in yahoo groups before I update my reports next time
if/when my email changes.


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Hi Rob

All done.

Andrew

At 07:49 PM 02/06/2002, you wrote:
>Small file deletion favor : )

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>All done.

>Andrew


Thank you sir



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Lets see, "rain", according to Webster's that would be "water falling in drops
condensed from vapor in the atmosphere."  Oh, yes, I think I remember what that
is now!  If the guarantee of rain in my neck of the woods is required for this
test series, I better abstain.  Just in case Bibler doesn't require a guarantee
of rain, I'm submitting my application to test the bivy.  Never used one before
but I'm always game for a new way to stay in the out-of-doors.  I am a convert
to tent-hammocks as a result of this list!  Any chance of getting a few "I"
Tents for testing or should I just keep dreaming?

APPLICATION TO TEST THE BIBLER WINTER BIVY
June 2, 2002

Personal Data:

     Michael Wheiler
     Idaho Falls, Idaho
     Male
     46 years old
     5'10"
     175 pounds
     email:  jmwlaw@...

Additional Personal Biographical Information:

About 35 years of outdoor experience.  I've been car camping/hiking/backpacking
since early teens; mostly weekend trips but some week long trips at least once
per year.  Currently a scoutmaster over 12-14 year old Boy Scouts.  We camp/hike
every month regardless of the weather.  I also spend time camping with my
family--more in the summer and almost never in the winter.  Most of my camping
occurs in the southeastern Idaho area but spills over into western Wyoming
(Grand Teton National Park) and western Montana.  I have never used a bivy.  As
such, you would be getting a novice's view point.  Also, we are in the middle of
a pretty significant drought in most of the west, i.e., I can't promise even any
light rain.  However, according to the web site the bivy offers  "protection
from short showers, light rain or snow, but is not sufficiently stormproof for
long term hard rain. This makes it great as a sleeping bag cover for winter
mountaineering, under a tarp as part of an ultralight system, or as a superlight
'emergency' shelter."  We generally have enough snow and occasional showers to
give the bivy a good test, especially in the winter months.

Field Information:

I will be hiking near Stanley Lake June 7-8 with my family and will do a 12 mile
backpack trip for three days on June 27-29 in the Warm River area.  I will be
doing a mountain bike trip in Island Park over the Fourth of July weekend.  I
will then be at Scout Camp for one week in July where we plan to do several
short hikes from our base camp near Palisades and one 8 mile backpack trip to
Lower Palisades Lake.  On August 16-17 we will be backpacking in the Kilgore
area--perhaps along the CDT.  On the 23-25 of August I will be camping/hiking
with my family near Redfish Lake.  We are also planning a day hike up Table Rock
Mountain near the Grand Tetons in August.  Inclement weather is always a concern
when climbing Table Rock and if the Bibler Bivy is a compact as advertised, it
would be nice to have along just in case of bad weather.  We will be doing at
least one winter campout every month from November through February.  At least
once during the winter we build and sleep in snow caves or Polar Domes and it
would be fun to test the bivy inside a snow shelter.  Most all of these outings
will be in very mountainous terrain--5,500-8,500 foot elevation.  We are
progressing, slowly into summer.  We have been getting little rain (and need it)
and summer (July, August) will likely be warmer (80-90 degrees) and drier with
occasional thunderstorms.

Prior Reports (using the new requirements):

I have posted the following report series:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Lighting/Princton%20Tec%20I\
mpact/Michael%20Wheiler/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Rain%20Gear/Rain%20Shield/M\
ichael%20Wheiler/

Other Reports/Work With BGT:
   1.. Current Clark Jungle Hammock Monitor
   2.. Lawson Hammock Monitor
   3.. GoLite Hex initial test report completed
   4.. Pacflat Grill initial and field test completed
   5.. Polar Dome owner review
   6.. Leatherman Wave owner review
   7.. Slumberjack Expedition sleeping bag owner review
   8.. CMG Bonfire owner review
I have read, understood and will comply with the reporting requirements,
including those contained in the new BGT Survival Guide version  0302.2, which I
reviewed just prior to filing this application.

Thank you,

Mike


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Hi Folks

Getting ready to spend up big (tax time) on a new tent.  While I have
narrowed the choice down (more to come on this in a later posting) I
am interested in feedback on the more technical issue of the tent fly
materials.  I am NOT looking for recommendations on tents at this
stage.

To put the questions in perspective, we walk in Western Australia,
mainly during the Autumn to Spring period. When it rains over here it
tends to really rain. That is we probably get a less number of rainy
days, but much more heavy rain periods/thunderstorms/localised
flooding when it does rain.

Also we plan to use the tent hiking in New Zealand, particularly
Stewart Island.

To the questions:

(1) Polyester versus Nylon tent flies.  Is there a significant
difference in these materials? What is the advantage of the polyester
over the nylon?

(2) My second question relates to hydrostatic head and is based on the
Macpac materials - UV40 and RS75.  Macpac indicate that their UV40
material has a 3500mm of hydrostatic head and their material, RS75 has
a hydrostatic head of 1500mm.  They apply the British Standard 3424 in
their testing.

What does this really mean in terms of waterproofness? I am
particularly interested in comments in the context of my opening
description of walking conditions here in WA and I guess walking in
   NZ.

Thanks
Andrew

http://aushiker.cjb.net
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Hi

Second question on tent designs.  I am interested in peoples
preferences/experiences/advantages/disadvantages with one entrance versus
two entrances on a tent.

Access comments?
Gear storage comments?
Does the single entrance/gear storage in the same place become a hassle?
Access to cooking in wet conditions?

We (two people) are looking at tunnel design tents NOT tents where the
doors/access is via the side. We have one of those now.

To illustrate the sort of tent design we are looking at and hence to put
the question in context here are a couple of tent models (one in each group
has two entrances and the other one).

Macpac:

Minaret - (Single entrance?)
	 http://www.macpac.co.nz/b2c/b2c.php?b2c=show-product-detail&part=MIN2&
Nautilus (Twin entrance)
	 http://www.macpac.co.nz/b2c/b2c.php?b2c=show-product-detail&part=NAU2&
Wilderness Equipment

First Arrow (Twin entrance)
	 http://www.wildequipment.com.au/tents_first.html
Second Arrow (Single Entrance)
	 http://www.wildequipment.com.au/tents_second.html

At this point I am NOT really interested in tent recommendations -
questions to follow on that.

Thanks
Andrew
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BackpackGearTest
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   Uploaded by : leonata <leonata@...>
   Description : Buck Minibuck Tool by Peggy Dodson

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Knives/Buck%20Minibuck%20Mu\
ltitool/mbuckpd.html

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Hello,

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   Description : The North Fack Slickrock Tent by Peggy Dodson

You can access this file at the URL

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ock%20Tent/slkrockpd.html

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Hi Peggy

I notice that you have uploaded your owner's review of the Buck Minibuck
Tool without including the additional information requested.  Please take
the time to familiarise yourself with the groups requirements for owner's
reviews which are spelt out in Chapter Three of the BackpackGearTest
Survival Guide.  You can find the guide online at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/1%20BGTSurvivalGuide.htm.

I once again draw your attention to the "product information" requirements
specified in the guide and ask that you amend your owner's report to
reflect these requirements.

I have removed your uploaded owner's review so that you can easily upload a
corrected copy.

Peggy it is in your interests to ensure that you comply with the
requirements as this is taken into consideration when selecting gear
testers.  Should you need some help with your owner's review please contact
me directly.

Regards
Andrew
Group Monitor
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Hi Peggy

I notice that you have uploaded your owner's review of the TNF Slickrock
Tent without including the additional information requested.  Please take
the time to familiarise yourself with the groups requirements for owner's
reviews which are spelt out in Chapter Three of the BackpackGearTest
Survival Guide.  You can find the guide online at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/1%20BGTSurvivalGuide.htm.

I once again draw your attention to the "product information" requirements
specified in the guide and ask that you amend your owner's report to
reflect these requirements.

I have removed your uploaded owner's review so that you can easily upload a
corrected copy.

Peggy it is in your interests to ensure that you comply with the
requirements as this is taken into consideration when selecting gear
testers.  Should you need some help with your owner's review please contact
me directly.

Regards
Andrew
Group Monitor
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Bibler Winter Bivy Test Application

Leesa Joiner
41 years old
Female
5' 7"  155#
South Western Maine
June 3, 2002

     I would like to apply to test the Bibler Winter Bivy.   I have
never used one, but have camped with someone who had one made by a
different manufacturer. The more I read this list, the more items I
'need', it seems.   The Bivy would be very useful, especially here in
Northern New England, where the weather is so unpredictable.   We are
just coming out of a drought.  It has been raining (sometimes
torrentially) every other day or so.  The night time temperatures are
still down in the mid-40s.  Farmer's Almanac predicts a wet spring and
early summer.  Night temperatures in the mid-40s-mid-50s.  Due to our
location in the foothills of the White Mountains, we are usually
cooler at night, than would be expected, even when daytime temps reach
the high 80s.  I will be camping in Northern Vermont and Northern
Maine during the summer, which should ensure plenty of rainy/cool
nights.
     Most of my camping experience involves camping/hiking with my
family, starting when I was about 6 years old.  I know spend most of
my outdoor time with my husband, 3 children and their scout groups.
Up until now, most of our trips have consisted of setting up camp, and
hiking from there.  We are now doing more hike ins, carrying
everything we need with us.  This has made it neccessary to lighten
our load.  We are out at least one weekend a month during the winter,
and more during the other three seasons.  I plan on doing some
overnight cross country ski trips this winter.
     The Bivy seems like a great piece of foul weather gear!  It would
probably work well with my Hennessy Asym.  Hammock.  I can imagine
that it would increase the usefulness of the hammock, allowing for a
wider range of times it would be usable.
     I have read the Survival Guide on May 27, 2002 and agree to follow
it and submit reports as they are due.

Owner Reviews
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Food%20Preparation%20Gear%2\
0/Excaliber%202900%20Dehydrator/Dehydrator-Owner_Review.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Books/Plant%20Guides/PlantG\
uides.html

Current Tests
BackPackers Grill
Travel Mate Female Urinary Device
Hennessy  Asym. Hammock

>I notice that you have uploaded your owner's review
>of the TNF Slickrock Tent without including the
>additional information requested.  Please take the
>time to familiarise yourself with the groups
>requirements for owner's reviews which are spelt out
>in Chapter Three of the BackpackGearTest Survival
>Guide.  You can find the guide online at
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/1%20BGTSurvivalGuide.htm.

>I once again draw your attention to the "product
>information" requirements specified in the guide and
>ask that you amend your owner's report to reflect
>these requirements.

>Regards
>Andrew
>Group Monitor

      Andrew, I tried to comply with the requirements;
I added all the information I have available in both
reports - the manufacturer, the URL, the weight on my
scale, and the 'official' weight. The only thing I
didn't include was the year of manufacture, because I
don't know it and I don't know how to find it out. Is
there other information missing?

      Peggy



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Andrew

I would think the 2 entrance designs would have several advantages
espescially when used by 2 people. In hot weather you should be able
to get much better cross ventelation. Most of the tunnel tents will
have you sleeping side by side with heads at one entrance and feet
at the other so you wont gain much of an easy entrance/exit
advantage but if it is long enough gear could be stored at the foot
end and you could acess it from that end and not desterb the
sleeping end. Of course 2 entrances will be more likely to leak and
the extra zippers add weight and another possible failure area. Like
anything else there is usually a tradeoff and you just have to pick
what is most important to you.  You probably already knew all this
but maybe it helps a little.

Coy Boy

--- In BackpackGearTest@y..., Andrew Priest <apriest@i...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Second question on tent designs.  I am interested in peoples
> preferences/experiences/advantages/disadvantages with one entrance
versus
> two entrances on a tent.
>
> Access comments?
> Gear storage comments?
> Does the single entrance/gear storage in the same place become a
hassle?
> Access to cooking in wet conditions?
>
> We (two people) are looking at tunnel design tents NOT tents where
the
> doors/access is via the side. We have one of those now.
>
> To illustrate the sort of tent design we are looking at and hence
to put
> the question in context here are a couple of tent models (one in
each group
> has two entrances and the other one).
>
> Macpac:
>
> Minaret - (Single entrance?)
>  http://www.macpac.co.nz/b2c/b2c.php?b2c=show-product-
detail&part=MIN2&
> Nautilus (Twin entrance)
>  http://www.macpac.co.nz/b2c/b2c.php?b2c=show-product-
detail&part=NAU2&
> Wilderness Equipment
>
> First Arrow (Twin entrance)
>  http://www.wildequipment.com.au/tents_first.html
> Second Arrow (Single Entrance)
>  http://www.wildequipment.com.au/tents_second.html
>
> At this point I am NOT really interested in tent recommendations -
> questions to follow on that.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
> --
> Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.cjb.net

Hi Andrew,

A poly-based fly fabric won't stretch when wet, meaning it holds its
shape better in the rain. I believe that silnylon isn't as
susceptible to stretching as regular urethane-coated nylon.

My *opinion* is that for rainflys/ies, the permeability numbers are
irrelevant. A coated fabric with a good DWR treatment will keep the
water at bay (presuming correctly sealed seams).

The permeability numbers come into play with the tent floor, where
you can have standing water under the pressure of you and your stuff.
I've been in cheap tents where the floor wetted through, so know it
can happen. But does standing up to four meters head versus two
meters matter in the field? I sort of doubt it.

At least three "big" companies are now making tents with silnylon
flys: Hilleberg, Sierra Designs and Mountain Hardware (there are
probably others). I've seen the MH and SD flys and they're certainly
less heavy than the traditional coated nylon. The material's not as
thin as that used on the I.D. products (for example).

Re. your other question on front and rear doors--it's nice to have
both on a tunnel tent. My tunnel tent has two--one's slanted (the
front) and the other vertical. This means you have a protected
entrance in foul weather, excellent ventilation, and can more-easily
clean out the inside. There's a cost in weight and complexity, though.

Happy shopping.

--Rick

--- In BackpackGearTest@y..., Andrew Priest <apriest@i...> wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Getting ready to spend up big (tax time) on a new tent.  While I
have
> narrowed the choice down (more to come on this in a later posting) I
> am interested in feedback on the more technical issue of the tent
fly
> materials.  I am NOT looking for recommendations on tents at this
> stage.
>
> To put the questions in perspective, we walk in Western Australia,
> mainly during the Autumn to Spring period. When it rains over here
it
> tends to really rain. That is we probably get a less number of rainy
> days, but much more heavy rain periods/thunderstorms/localised
> flooding when it does rain.
>
> Also we plan to use the tent hiking in New Zealand, particularly
> Stewart Island.
>
> To the questions:
>
> (1) Polyester versus Nylon tent flies.  Is there a significant
> difference in these materials? What is the advantage of the
polyester
> over the nylon?
>
> (2) My second question relates to hydrostatic head and is based on
the
> Macpac materials - UV40 and RS75.  Macpac indicate that their UV40
> material has a 3500mm of hydrostatic head and their material, RS75
has
> a hydrostatic head of 1500mm.  They apply the British Standard 3424
in
> their testing.
>
> What does this really mean in terms of waterproofness? I am
> particularly interested in comments in the context of my opening
> description of walking conditions here in WA and I guess walking in
>   NZ.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
>
> http://aushiker.cjb.net
> --
> Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.cjb.net

Application for Test of Bibler Winter Bivy

Name:  Dr. Eugene Roddy
Email:  hikemstr@...
Age:  52
Sex:  Male
Height:  5'6"
Weight:  160 lbs
Locale:  New England

Date:  June 3, 2002

Extensive experience as a backpacker, climber and thru hiker who is making
the transition to "lightweight" wilderness travel.  The majority of my
travels are in northern New England ranging from Connecticut to Maine.  I am
a frequent backpacker on the AT doing sections ranging from two day trips to
three weeks.

Test Proposal:
I have a three week trek planned for the Adirondack region of NY.  My plan is
to travel light and fast and the "winter sack" will be tested in tandem with
a tarp (Bibler Betamid).  I have a fair amount of experience with bivies and
can credibly report on subtle distinctions - both good and bad.  My hope is
to travel 12 miles per day with time for pictures.  My research of the region
leads me to believe that there are many rainy days and cool nights in this
northern part of the state.  I can attest that after my other thru hikes my
down sleeping bag tends to get wetter than desired without some form of
protection.  I feel I can make one report mid trip with a detailed report
upon completion and the expected 6 month final report.

I have read the updated SURVIVAL GUIDE and will, of course, continue to
comply with all testing standards.

Previous Report Submitted:

Bibler Eldorado - Owner Review
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Bibler%20Eldorad

o/Owner%27s%20Report%20-%20Bibler%20Eldorado.htm

Big Agnes - Owner Review
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Sleep%20Gear/Big%20Agnes%

20Cross%20Mountain/BACrossMountain.htm

Last Chance Sportswear
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Clothing/Last%20Chance%20

Sportswear/Eugene%20Roddy%20/Report1and2.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Clothing/Last%20Chance%20

Sportswear/Eugene%20Roddy%20/Last%20Chance%20Shorts%20-%20Report%20%233.htm

Equinox Ultra Light Bivy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Equinox%20Ultral

ight%20Bivy/Eugene%20A.%20Roddy/Equinox%20Ultralight%20Bivy%20Report.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Equinox%20Ultral

ight%20Bivy/Eugene%20A.%20Roddy/Equinox%20Ultralight%20Bivy%20Report%232.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Equinox%20Ultral

ight%20Bivy/Eugene%20A.%20Roddy/Equinox%20Ultralight%20Bivy%20Report%233.htm

Crazy Crib LEX
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Crazy%20Creek%20

Crib%20LE/Dr.%20Eugene%20A.%20Roddy/Crazy%20Crib%201%262.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Crazy%20Creek%20

Crib%20LE/Dr.%20Eugene%20A.%20Roddy/Crazy%20Crib%20%233.htm

Thank you for your consideration,

Doc


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Application to test the Bibler Winter Bivy

Name: Matt Willis
E-mail: jwillis@...
Age: 15
Gender: Male
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 145
Location: Oregon

Background:
I am a Star Scout from Troop 260 in Oregon. I have been backpacking/car
camping for the past four years. I have over 70 backpacking nights and
have gone backpacking in Washington and Oregon.  I have climbed Mt.
Washington (in Washington), Mt. Adams,  and have done the Bowron canoe
circuit in B.C. Currently I have my pack down to ~25lbs in the winter
and ~20lbs in the summer. For my shelter I currently use the Black
Diamond Betamid,  a floorless tent. Before that I used the REI Soloite
and the REI Clipper.

I would be a good tester for the Bibler Winter Bivy because I live in
Oregon and I am very familiar with rain and I'm always looking for a
new way of staying dry. I have never used a bivy but I have always been
wanting to use one. Even though this is summer time it still rains in
the valley in Oregon, which averages 35 to 50 inches of rain a year.
Most of my outings are on the coast, though, where it averages ~120
inches of rain a year so there would be no problem with not being able
to test the bivy in wet conditions. The temperatures are in the 70's
and 80's now but every few days it's in the low 60's.

I have read the BGT survival guide,version 0302.2, and I agree to
comply with all of the testing and reporting requirements.


I have posted the following owner reviews:

Black Diamond Betamid tent
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/
Black%20Diamond%20Betamid/betamid.html

REI Polar Pod sleeping bag
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Sleep%20Gear/
REI%20Polar%20Pod%20/Polar%20Pod%20owner%20review.htm

Thanks for considering me.

Matt Willis

Mara,

I'd like to participate, but the Florida summer doesn't seem
compatible--plus I'm testing a hammock.  Anyway, if you need a monitor
for this test I'd like to do it.  I've read version 0302.2 of the BGT
Survivor Guide and would comply with its terms if selected.

________________________________________________________________________
John F. Meyer, Jr.          jfm@...          www.johnmeyer.net
NASO, ABUA, FBU 43, PSOA, GCFOA     USARA, USAAR, CFAR, NORBA, USAT, FTA

Bibler Winter Bivy Application:

Bob Farrell
37
male
6'2"
170 pounds,
farmerbob48@...
Berwick, Maine
4/18/02

I am an avid hiker and I hike up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire
whenever I can. I am currently working on becoming a member of the AMC's
Four Thousand Footers Club of the White Mountains. To become a member, I
must climb 48 mountains in the White Mountains that are over 4000'. I have
climbed 20 of them so far. I also have a website for hikers that are working
towards membership into the Four Thousand Footers Club. The websites name is
"4000'ers Journals
of the White Mountains" at http://www.4kjournals.20m.com. I also started
winter hiking in the White Mountains last year and I love it.

I have hiked for over 11 years and I've backpacked a few times. I
have hiked sections of the A.T. in New York, New Jersey, and New
Hampshire. I hope someday to be able to hike the entire A.T. I also hike
with my wife and 4 year old son. My wife Jenifer carries our 9 month old
daughter on her back with a Kelty Kid Carrier. It's fun getting out with the
whole family.

I plan on testing the Bibler Winter Bivy on a few planned overnights in the
White Mountains and on a solo trip on a local mountain.  I may also be able
to spend 4 days at Baxter State Park in Maine this September, where I can
further test the Bibler.  I am very interested in the fact that the winter
bivy is only 9 ounces and packs down so small.  I am also interested in
winter camping so the Bibler Winter Bivy could make my 3 season tent into a
4 season tent.  I made a plastic tarp tent last year and I would like to
test it with the Bibler Winter Bivy on my solo hike.

Weather in the White Mountains is unpredictable.  It can snow any time of
the year and it rains a lot.  Temperatures in the summer can dip down to the
20's and 30's.  Many of the mountains rise over 4000 feet with moderate to
steep trails.  Several trails are very steep with a lot of rock climbing and
boulder hoping.  There are many streams and creeks with several lakes.

I have read and will fully comply with the Survival Guides Report
Requirements for the Yahoo Backpack Gear Test group.

I am currently testing the Leki Super Makalu Air Ergo PA AS trekking poles
for BGT. You can view my Initial and Field Test Reports at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Air\
\%20Ergo%20Antishock%20PA/Bob%20Farrell/

Here is the link to the Leki Ultralite trekking poles I tested for BGT last
year:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Ult\
ralite%20Ti%20Poles/Robert%20%20Farrell/

Here is an Owners Review of the Vasque Artic Boots:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Footwear/Vasque%20Artic%20b\
oots/


Owner Reviews: Vasque Clarion GT boots
                MSR Whisperlite Internationale stove
                The North Face Thunderhead 3D sleeping bag
                Princeton Tec Quest headlamp
                Outdoor Research Neve Windstopper Hat
                PUR Voyageur Water Purifier
                Tubbs Discovery 27 snowshoes
                Vasque Artic Boots

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GearPics/files/Bob%20Farrell/ if you
would like to see pictures of gear I've tested for BGT and Owners Reviews.

Happy hiking, Bob Farrell (Farmer Bob)








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Please disregard my first Bibler Winter Bivy Application since the link to
one of my tests was wrong.  It's been fixed.  Thank you.

Bibler Winter Bivy Application:

Bob Farrell
37
male
6'2"
170 pounds,
farmerbob48@...
Berwick, Maine
4/18/02

I am an avid hiker and I hike up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire
whenever I can. I am currently working on becoming a member of the AMC's
Four Thousand Footers Club of the White Mountains. To become a member, I
must climb 48 mountains in the White Mountains that are over 4000'. I have
climbed 20 of them so far. I also have a website for hikers that are working
towards membership into the Four Thousand Footers Club. The websites name is
"4000'ers Journals
of the White Mountains" at http://www.4kjournals.20m.com. I also started
winter hiking in the White Mountains last year and I love it.

I have hiked for over 11 years and I've backpacked a few times. I
have hiked sections of the A.T. in New York, New Jersey, and New
Hampshire. I hope someday to be able to hike the entire A.T. I also hike
with my wife and 4 year old son. My wife Jenifer carries our 9 month old
daughter on her back with a Kelty Kid Carrier. It's fun getting out with the
whole family.

I plan on testing the Bibler Winter Bivy on a few planned overnights in the
White Mountains and on a solo trip on a local mountain.  I may also be able
to spend 4 days at Baxter State Park in Maine this September, where I can
further test the Bibler.  I am very interested in the fact that the winter
bivy is only 9 ounces and packs down so small.  I am also interested in
winter camping so the Bibler Winter Bivy could make my 3 season tent into a
4 season tent.  I made a plastic tarp tent last year and I would like to
test it with the Bibler Winter Bivy on my solo hike.

Weather in the White Mountains is unpredictable.  It can snow any time of
the year and it rains a lot.  Temperatures in the summer can dip down to the
20's and 30's.  Many of the mountains rise over 4000 feet with moderate to
steep trails.  Several trails are very steep with a lot of rock climbing and
boulder hoping.  There are many streams and creeks with several lakes.

I have read and will fully comply with the Survival Guides Report
Requirements for the Yahoo Backpack Gear Test group.

I am currently testing the Leki Super Makalu Air Ergo PA AS trekking poles
for BGT. You can view my Initial and Field Test Reports at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Air\
%20Ergo%20Antishock%20PA/Bob%20Farrell/

Here is the link to the Leki Ultralite trekking poles I tested for BGT last
year:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Ult\
ralite%20Ti%20Poles/Robert%20%20Farrell/

Here is an Owners Review of the Vasque Artic Boots:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Footwear/Vasque%20Artic%20b\
oots/


Owner Reviews: Vasque Clarion GT boots
               MSR Whisperlite Internationale stove
               The North Face Thunderhead 3D sleeping bag
               Princeton Tec Quest headlamp
               Outdoor Research Neve Windstopper Hat
               PUR Voyageur Water Purifier
               Tubbs Discovery 27 snowshoes
               Vasque Artic Boots

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GearPics/files/Bob%20Farrell/ if you
would like to see pictures of gear I've tested for BGT and Owners Reviews.

Happy hiking, Bob Farrell (Farmer Bob)



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Air\
%20Ergo%20Antishock%20PA/Bob%20Farrell/Leki%20Super%20Makalu%20Air%20Ergo%20PA%2\
0AS%20trekking%20poles%201%20and%202%20II.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Trekking%20Poles/Leki%20Air\
%20Ergo%20Antishock%20PA/Bob%20Farrell/Leki%20Air%20Ergo%20Trekking%20Poles%20Fi\
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Hi Peggy

That is interesting because when I revisited the upload copy I couldn't see
any of this information. Maybe you upload an old copy? If you have included
this information then that is great.  Please upload the html file which
includes this information. As to manufacture date, please indicate when
your purchased the tent (and state that it is the purchase date).

The above comments apply to the Multi-tool report as well.

Other than the above problems, these are good reports Peggy.

Thanks
Andrew


At 10:48 PM 03/06/2002, you wrote:


>      Andrew, I tried to comply with the requirements;
>I added all the information I have available in both
>reports - the manufacturer, the URL, the weight on my
>scale, and the 'official' weight. The only thing I
>didn't include was the year of manufacture, because I
>don't know it and I don't know how to find it out. Is
>there other information missing?

--
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.cjb.net



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Hi Rick

Thanks for the comments. On the permeability of the floors one tent brand
that I am looking at is around 10,000 mm and the other 8,000 mm which I
assume is pretty good. Better be for the price!


At 11:59 PM 03/06/2002, you wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>
>The permeability numbers come into play with the tent floor, where
>you can have standing water under the pressure of you and your stuff.
>I've been in cheap tents where the floor wetted through, so know it
>can happen. But does standing up to four meters head versus two
>meters matter in the field? I sort of doubt it.

--
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.cjb.net



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>That is interesting because when I revisited the upload copy I couldn't
>see any of this information. Maybe you upload an old copy? If you have
>included this information then that is great.  Please upload the html
>file which includes this information. As to manufacture date, please
>indicate when your purchased the tent (and state that it is the purchase
>date).

>The above comments apply to the Multi-tool report as well.

>Other than the above problems, these are good reports Peggy.

>Thanks
>Andrew

      Thank you. I've uploaded the files again, with the purchase
dates added. I've double checked that all of the other information
is there as well. The URLs again are...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Shelters/Tents/TNF%20Slickr\
ock%20Tent/slkrockpd.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/files/Knives/Buck%20Minibuck%20Mu\
ltitool/mbuckpd.html

      Please let me know if there's any other problems.

      Peggy


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Hi

I have been put on too Hillberg tents and I am seriously considering the
Nallo 2 GT as a purchase option.

What I am interested is any feedback on Hillberg tents, experiences
purchasing from them and if anyone has a Nallo 2 GT what they think of it.

If you are wondering what I am talking about you can find them at
http://www.hillberg.com and the Nallo 2 GT at

Thanks
Andrew
--
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.cjb.net

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Adventure Paper

Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002
Time: 8:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00)

The third reports for the Adventure Paper are due on June 18,
2002.  Please email and upload your reports.

Andrew,

My first thought was the old Yahoo! caching problem but then I looked at the
reporst and they appear to be updated to me.  They now include the company
info and URLs missing from the earlier version.  Maybe a history flush or a
refresh on your system might help?

Computers...  Can't live with them...  Can't live without them...

Peggy,  I just noticed the last three sentences of your biographical
information.  I think that information is best left for your applications to
test gear as it is not particularly relevant for a reader who is just trying
to find out your opinion of that particular piece of gear.

Otherwise, looks great.

Mara


>From: Andrew Priest <apriest@...>
>Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:36:40 +0800
>
>Hi Peggy
>
>That is interesting because when I revisited the upload copy I couldn't see
>any of this information. Maybe you upload an old copy? ...

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