I am planning to come next year. I'll be bringing my folding bike, which doubles
as a tripod for a Buddipole mast. That's 'bicycle stationary' but I use a bike
to get to operating locations - usually mountaintopping.

72, Barry
VE7VIE/WV2J



--- On Fri, 12/4/09, nf0n <nf0n@...> wrote:

From: nf0n <nf0n@...>
Subject: [BMHA] Dayton Hamvention BMHA Forum 2010
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:39 AM







 









       We have been approved for a BMHA Forum in 2010.  Our time will be on
Sunday morning for 1 1/2 hours.  More detail to follow.



I am looking for speakers and those who wish to demo their setup or project.  If
the Hamvention stipend is as in prior years, speakers will receive a Hamvention
pass and a good parking spot.



Happy Holidays to all and get those miles in on the bike, maybe inside!



Mike, NF0N

BMHA Secretary/Treasurer






















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Today only, Amazon has the La Crosse BC-9009 AlphaPower Battery Charger for
$34.99 shipped. And in addition to NiCD/NiMH charger, you get four AA
rechargeables, four AAA's, adapters for C and D cells, and a travel case.

Charger features four independent status displays, one for each of its four
slots. They can cycle through stats like charge rate, discharge rate, elapsed
time, and total battery capacity.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00077AA5Q

Clint, K6LCS

We have been approved for a BMHA Forum in 2010.  Our time will be on Sunday
morning for 1 1/2 hours.  More detail to follow.

I am looking for speakers and those who wish to demo their setup or project.  If
the Hamvention stipend is as in prior years, speakers will receive a Hamvention
pass and a good parking spot.

Happy Holidays to all and get those miles in on the bike, maybe inside!

Mike, NF0N
BMHA Secretary/Treasurer

Nice Walter!  Quick update - not for the bike :-(

Seemed like a goofy configuration and I couldn't understand exactly what they
were doing - not that I'm that bright about antenna theory in the first place.

I wonder how many of the group routinely play bike mobile on the HF frequencies?
It seems that, as Cycle 24 starts to ramp up, HF bike mobile ought to become a
little more feasible.

I think that you're right about the long wire antenna.  With the lay of the land
at this QTH it seems like the only reasonable way to get on 40 and 80.

73,  Ron



Ron Baran

Willowbrook, IL

W9XS






To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
From: ruko2001@...
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:57:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [BMHA] Re: Miracle Mixed-mode dipole






























Looks like it can be end fed so you could drag it. :)



--- On Sat, 11/28/09, k5est <k5est@...> wrote:



From: k5est <k5est@...>

Subject: [BMHA] Re: Miracle Mixed-mode dipole

To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 5:49 PM







> Went to the Miracle website http://miracleanten na.com/mmd. htm and it was a
bit sparse on information. I was contemplating using this as a fixed antenna in
a long wire configuration.

Anybody have any info on this puppy? I seems to recall some negative issues with
this outfit?

> 73,

> Ron Baran

> W9XS



Sure would be tough on a bike :-)



Can't believe the prices of these antennas,

bet it will not work any better than the

Five Dollar / Five Minute antenna

<http://www.wa0itp. com/antennas. html>



and I know it works very well.



73....Walter - K5EST



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Looks like it can be end fed so you could drag it. :)

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, k5est <k5est@...> wrote:


From: k5est <k5est@...>
Subject: [BMHA] Re: Miracle Mixed-mode dipole
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 5:49 PM


 





> Went to the Miracle website http://miracleanten na.com/mmd. htm and it was a
bit sparse on information. I was contemplating using this as a fixed antenna in
a long wire configuration.
Anybody have any info on this puppy? I seems to recall some negative issues with
this outfit?
> 73,
> Ron Baran
> W9XS

Sure would be tough on a bike :-)

Can't believe the prices of these antennas,
bet it will not work any better than the
Five Dollar / Five Minute antenna
<http://www.wa0itp. com/antennas. html>

and I know it works very well.

73....Walter - K5EST











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Went to the Miracle website  http://miracleantenna.com/mmd.htm  and it was a
bit sparse on information.  I was contemplating using this as a fixed antenna in
a long wire configuration.
Anybody have any info on this puppy?  I seems to recall some negative issues
with this outfit?
> 73,
> Ron Baran
> W9XS

Sure would be tough on a bike :-)

Can't believe the prices of these antennas,
bet it will not work any better than the
Five Dollar / Five Minute antenna
<http://www.wa0itp.com/antennas.html>

and I know it works very well.

73....Walter - K5EST

Greetings all,

Went to the Miracle website  http://miracleantenna.com/mmd.htm  and it was a bit
sparse on information.  I was contemplating using this as a fixed antenna in a
long wire configuration.

Anybody have any info on this puppy?  I seems to recall some negative issues
with this outfit?

73,



Ron Baran
W9XS






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I like the bag thing, that's what I am doing now, but I did mount a pad up
front for the FT-187 with padding wrapped around it.

AL
KA1FFO

   -----Original Message-----
   From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BMHA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of n1rwy
   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:30 PM
   To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [BMHA] Re: Your FT-817 on your bike question


     I guess it depends on the riding you plan on doing.
   If you are looking for dirt / rough roads, I would consider something that
will have some shock protection. WA5's list below sounds like something that
would work well.

   However, if you are looking for casual street riding, with the occasional
bump or pothole.. You can get away with just a padded case.

   On my Rans Veloctiy squared (recumbent) during my 2003-4 east coast
bicycle tour from Canada to Key west Florida, 99% was street riding. No
problems with the padded case, the radio survived fine and still get used
today.

   Now.. the real question... how / what are you going to use for a Mic?
   Wind noise, especially over 18 MPH, really comes into play.

   - Jay N1RWY

   --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "AOX" <w5aox@...> wrote:
   >
   > I find carrying my bike radio(s) in the carry-packs, whether leather or
cloth, provides very good isolation from the normal jarring of the bicycle
while in motion. Backpack, pannier, etc, also provide shock isolation to
some degree.
   > If mounting the control head on the handlebars is desired, I suggest
making or procuring a shock absorbing mount. For my TH-D7 handlebar mount I
use a Ram lexan TH-D7 bracket mounted to an aluminum plate sandwiched to a
copper clad PC board plate which has the actual clamps etc. to attach to the
handlebars. The "vibration sandwich filling" I use is 1" gray cellular foam
padding, robbed from various shipping packages wherein test equipment was
unpacked when received.
   > I always keep several sheets of this stuff stashed in the storage places
at the house for replacement purposes, but surprisingly the life span seems
to be good. The latest foam sheet has lasted over 2 years (5-days-a-week
bicycle commuting 10 months out of the year) without deteriorating to the
replacement point.
   > W5AOX
   >
   > --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "n1rwy" <whereisjay@> wrote:
   > >
   > > Fine.. It will serve you well. I had mine in a padded case so I could
cover the flap if it started raining / sprinkling..
   > >
   > >
   > > --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@> wrote:
   > > >
   > > > OK, now that I have a good idea what I am going to do, the question
is, folks with the FT-817 on there ride, tell me, how does it hold up?
   > > > I am worry about the shock placed on it when I ride.
   > > >
   > > > AL
   > > > KA1FFO
   > > >
   > >
   >






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I guess it depends on the riding you plan on doing.
If you are looking for dirt / rough roads, I would consider something that will
have some shock protection.  WA5's list below sounds like something that would
work well.

However, if you are looking for casual street riding, with the occasional bump
or pothole.. You can get away with just a padded case.

On my Rans Veloctiy squared (recumbent) during my 2003-4 east coast bicycle tour
from Canada to Key west Florida, 99% was street riding.  No problems with the
padded case, the radio survived fine and still get used today.

Now.. the real question... how / what are you going to use for a Mic?
Wind noise, especially over 18 MPH, really comes into play.

  - Jay  N1RWY

--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "AOX" <w5aox@...> wrote:
>
> I find carrying my bike radio(s) in the carry-packs, whether leather or cloth,
provides very good isolation from the normal jarring of the bicycle while in
motion.  Backpack, pannier, etc, also provide shock isolation to some degree.
> If mounting the control head on the handlebars is desired, I suggest making or
procuring a shock absorbing mount.  For my TH-D7 handlebar mount I use a Ram
lexan TH-D7 bracket mounted to an aluminum plate sandwiched to a copper clad PC
board plate which has the actual clamps etc. to attach to the handlebars.  The
"vibration sandwich filling" I use is 1" gray cellular foam padding, robbed from
various shipping packages wherein test equipment was unpacked when received.
> I always keep several sheets of this stuff stashed in the storage places at
the house for replacement purposes, but surprisingly the life span seems to be
good.  The latest foam sheet has lasted over 2 years (5-days-a-week bicycle
commuting 10 months out of the year) without deteriorating to the replacement
point.
> W5AOX
>
> --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "n1rwy" <whereisjay@> wrote:
> >
> > Fine.. It will serve you well.  I had mine in a padded case so I could cover
the flap if it started raining / sprinkling..
> >
> >
> > --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, now that I have a good idea what I am going to do, the question is,
folks with the FT-817 on there ride, tell me, how does it hold up?
> > > I am worry about the shock placed on it when I ride.
> > >
> > > AL
> > > KA1FFO
> > >
> >
>

I find carrying my bike radio(s) in the carry-packs, whether leather or cloth,
provides very good isolation from the normal jarring of the bicycle while in
motion.  Backpack, pannier, etc, also provide shock isolation to some degree.
If mounting the control head on the handlebars is desired, I suggest making or
procuring a shock absorbing mount.  For my TH-D7 handlebar mount I use a Ram
lexan TH-D7 bracket mounted to an aluminum plate sandwiched to a copper clad PC
board plate which has the actual clamps etc. to attach to the handlebars.  The
"vibration sandwich filling" I use is 1" gray cellular foam padding, robbed from
various shipping packages wherein test equipment was unpacked when received.
I always keep several sheets of this stuff stashed in the storage places at the
house for replacement purposes, but surprisingly the life span seems to be good.
The latest foam sheet has lasted over 2 years (5-days-a-week bicycle commuting
10 months out of the year) without deteriorating to the replacement point.
W5AOX

--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "n1rwy" <whereisjay@...> wrote:
>
> Fine.. It will serve you well.  I had mine in a padded case so I could cover
the flap if it started raining / sprinkling..
>
>
> --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@> wrote:
> >
> > OK, now that I have a good idea what I am going to do, the question is,
folks with the FT-817 on there ride, tell me, how does it hold up?
> > I am worry about the shock placed on it when I ride.
> >
> > AL
> > KA1FFO
> >
>

Fine.. It will serve you well.  I had mine in a padded case so I could cover the
flap if it started raining / sprinkling..


--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@...> wrote:
>
> OK, now that I have a good idea what I am going to do, the question is, folks
with the FT-817 on there ride, tell me, how does it hold up?
> I am worry about the shock placed on it when I ride.
>
> AL
> KA1FFO
>

OK, now that I have a good idea what I am going to do, the question is, folks
with the FT-817 on there ride, tell me, how does it hold up?
I am worry about the shock placed on it when I ride.

AL
KA1FFO

Hi Al,

I mount my radio on the handle bars of my bike, you can see more detail on this
link: www.qrz.com/db/g4akc
The radio can be removed quickly and is waterproofed by a cover which can be
seen in the pictures.
Let me know if you want some more detail.

73's ..

Dave G4AKC


--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@...> wrote:
>
> Hello folks..
>
> I am going to mount my SG-2020 or the FT-817 on the bike, but I don't have a
rear luggage rack.
>
> So before i buy a new one, I would like to see what you guys do to mount your
rigs and HF antennas..
>
> TNXS
> AL KA1FFO
>

Hello folks..

I am going to mount my SG-2020 or the FT-817 on the bike, but I don't have a
rear luggage rack.

So before i buy a new one, I would like to see what you guys do to mount your
rigs and HF antennas..

TNXS
AL KA1FFO

OK cool. I got one..Yep off of Ebay.. I did a trade with my MTB.
Now I have a RECUMBENTUSA USS in red and it is a blast to ride!
I have 2 meters on it, and since my kids are riding themselves around, I am
using the old Kiddy  cart as a platform for my HF.

I'll post pics soon.

AL
KA1FFO

Thanks to all that have supplied input. I stopped by a shop and took a test
ride...Now I need to get a few hundred up to get it.
Being a VET I need to save my pennies for it. But I'll get it.
With a little luck I can sell off my HF 20 w Rig and use that cash to get
it.

Thanks
AL
KA1FFO

   -----Original Message-----
   From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BMHA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of AOX
   Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:12 AM
   To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [BMHA] Re: Help..I am looking for a bike.. Recumbent




   Recumbents remain very pricey whether online or in your local bike
supermarket. Used ones, however, can be quite reasonable by comparison.
   Watch www.craigslist.org and Ebay regularly if you want to catch one.
   I belong to a local cycling club mailing list and spotted a guy who was
offering 2 recumbents for sale. The wife and I went over to look at them.
One was shorter and one was a long unit, sufficient for me to fit at 6 feet
2 inches. The wifey, a non cyclist, somehow got enamored with the smaller
one and took it "just for a spin". I wound up having to buy both of them...
for less than the normal recumbent price. 400 for mine and 300 for the
wife's. I ride mine daily across town to work and the wife rides hers a
couple times a month.
   My perceived advantages of a bent:
   -Ride faster with same effort

   -Slightly less tired for a given travel distance

   -Occasionally outrun or pass other cyclists (almost NEVER happened on my
DF stock bike) - a nice feature at age 62

   -Headwinds still slow me down but not discouragingly. It doesn't feel like
I'm pushing a block wall on the 'bent (lying back presents a lower profile
and thus pushes and intercepts less wind).

   -Back and butt no longer suffer excruciating pain during and after rides

   -Hands, shoulders, and wrists no longer ache while riding

   -Neck no longer hurts from riding bent forward with head cocked back so I
can see out front

   Disadvanges of my bent:

   -Takes a while to learn how to ride with the different center of gravity,
braking behavior, etc.

   -CANNOT stand up on the pedals to start or accelerate

   -MUST gear down for every slowdown or stop, see previous

   -As per above, jackrabbit starts are nigh impossible with my bent, so
bigger gaps are necessary for me to cross a traffic filled street.

   Most of us cyclists are used to being able to stand up on the pedals and
leap forward in quick bursts to avoid obstacles or catch openings in
traffic.... can't do that on a bent.

   My bent is about 1/3 longer than my DF bikes, but it still mounts and
rides OK on my homemade car bike rack.

   I saw a trash truck miss a 'bent rider by mere inches a few months ago. He
was so low the stupid truck driver never saw him.
   For self respecting bike-hams, that shouldn't be a problem. My fiberglass
bike flag (converted into a 2 meter J Pole) tops out at about 8 feet in the
air. They cost about $1.50 at Wal Mart so there is little excuse for not
using one on all bikes whether wired for RF or not.
   Jim W5AOX
   http://aprs.fi/?call=W5AOX-6 bike-mobile tracker

   --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "albeham2001" <albeham@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hello you all,
   >
   > I am really getting into the bike thing, and would like to find a good
recumbent bike . I have seen the price on line..WOW not nice. So I am asking
for advice and maybe a little luck will find me one.
   >
   > I would like to run my FT-817 on it, etc, maybe my SG-2020, NON-ASDSP
model.
   >
   > So what can you tell me?
   >
   > AL
   > KA1FFO
   >






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I don't know much about 'bents, but will probably wind up with one since I have
developed a bad neck. So thanks for the Utah link. I'd like a tandem one,
though, for my YL/stoker. That TerraTrike Tandem is lovely, but I'd like to get
something cheaper(!).

BTW in the Pac. NW, Cambie cycles in Vancouver BC, Fairfield in Victoria BC and
Coventry in Portland, OR specialize in 'bents. There must be a store in Seattle,
but I don't know... But I'd certainly recommend riding one of these before you
buy one - i.e. your LBS rather than online purchasing.

73, Barry
VE7VIE/WV2J

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, BMHA@yahoogroups.com <BMHA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com <BMHA@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [BMHA] Digest Number 809
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:50 AM

    Help..I am looking for a bike.. Recumbent
   From:
       albeham2001
                       1b.

    Re: Help..I am looking for a bike.. Recumbent
   From:
       Jack R Smith
                       1c.

    Re: Help..I am looking for a bike.. Recumbent
   From:
       Mr Albert Furlow
                       1d.

> In the ARRL Appropriate Use document that was mentioned here earlier,
> it says "A good rule of thumb when evaluating a particular request for
> communications support is, “Who benefits?” If public safety is the
> principal beneficiary, then §97.1 is being fulfilled. If the entity
> itself and not the general public is the principal beneficiary, then
> they should be encouraged to use radio services other than Amateur
> Radio."  It seems to me that public safety, and the public in general,
> is the clear and principal beneficiary for these events.


The rules are certainly open to interpretation, and few of us are
lawyers, so I think we need to make best effort to comply with the
spirit of the regulations.

I've seen for-profit organizations like athletic events, which use
hams to provide services that really could be done by cell phone or
other means.
This does make me nervous.  The local hams seem to be ok with ignoring
the fact that these are for-profit events and by providing free
support we are increasing the profits.  They want to get ham radio out
there at every opportunity, and I'm all behind that, but the main
thing that separates us from the CBers is that we follow the rules.

If the event is for a charity, non-profit, or disaster preparedness,
then I don't see any conflict.  Even if there WERE other services that
could provide comms, the disaster drills are done assuming that those
entities are offline or choked with other traffic.

Bottom line, we are each responsible for complying with the regs, and
we should do what we think is right, because we will individually bear
the consequences if we are wrong.

And it wouldn't hurt for there to be a document showing cases that
illustrate how the FCC is interpreting the regs!

On Oct 8, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Mickey Applebaum wrote:

>
> Which still does not have any bearing on the requirement to use Part
> 90 communications for public service events, such as bike rides and
> parades and such, which is the part I am wondering how folks are
> going to address for the upcoming riding season... this is stated in
> the FCC regulations as such...
>
> Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land
> Mobile communications or other reasonably available alternate
> communications systems, including unlicensed services.
>
> Some could make the point that cell phones are one of those other
> reasonably available alternative communications systems..

You're leaving out an important point, Mickey.  The actual text of the
regulation says this (from
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/b.html#113
): "(a) No amateur station shall transmit: ... (5) Communications, ON
A REGULAR BASIS, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively
through other radio services." [emphasis added]

That statement about a regular basis makes all the difference, in my
opinion.  It seems unreasonable to consider an annual parade or bike
ride as something that is occurring on a regular basis for the
purposes of the regulations.  Now if the organization were sponsoring
a bike ride every week, same time, same place, then one could say THAT
would be problematic for using amateur radio.

In the ARRL Appropriate Use document that was mentioned here earlier,
it says "A good rule of thumb when evaluating a particular request for
communications support is, “Who benefits?” If public safety is the
principal beneficiary, then §97.1 is being fulfilled. If the entity
itself and not the general public is the principal beneficiary, then
they should be encouraged to use radio services other than Amateur
Radio."  It seems to me that public safety, and the public in general,
is the clear and principal beneficiary for these events.

Just my 2 cents...

Roger, KD8CSE



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Unfortunately, that's not how the law is written...  this paragraph,

My e-mail from the FCC
In June 2009, I received an e-mail from Laura Smith, an FCC attorney charged
with Amateur Radio enforcement. ??

She was responding to a May 2009, blog post on N5FDL.com in which I described a
hypothetical event in which hams who are employees of a hospital participated in
an on-air Amateur Radio emergency communications exercise, but as volunteers for
a county government-sponsored group and on their own time. This appeared to me
to avoid the "business communication" prohibition. ??

I was wrong.

"Simply put, a hospital drill that includes any amateur employees of the
hospital is a violation of Section 97.113(a) (3). It does not matter if the
amateur is "off duty" or on their "lunch hour"; it does not matter if their job
description does not include the so-called operation of the amateur radio; it
does not matter if they are not getting paid specifically for the drill; it does
not matter if they sign a statement indicating that they are doing this strictly
as a volunteer. I trust I am making this clear, it does not matter what
machinations you come up with, there is no loop hole to the rule. If they are a
hospital employee, they may not use the radio on behalf of their employer -
period."

is from a QRZ blog at http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=218059

Which still does not have any bearing on the requirement to use Part 90
communications for public service events, such as bike rides and parades and
such, which is the part I am wondering how folks are going to address for the
upcoming riding season... this is stated in the FCC regulations as such...

Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

Some could make the point that cell phones are one of those other reasonably
available alternative communications systems...


>>> saanpregion@...<saanpregion@...> 10/8/2009 7:12 PM >>>



Seems to me that some have gotten confused with this ruling as I have heard that
if your on the job ham radio is a no no, but off the job than ham radio is a go!
That is how I see it here.

Say my boss wants comm for relief efforts while I am on the clock, I don't even
touch the radio - period, now, if I were to volunteer the effort as a ham and
not an employee, than, I can justify the use of ham radio to for that matter -
otherwise, kiss my grits to ground floor!

Jeff
KE7OUR

-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:28:28 pm
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
From: "terryc" <terryc@...>
Subject: Re: [BMHA] FCC and ride support

Mickey Applebaum wrote:

> Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

The key here seems to be "reasonably available". If a Part 90 isn't
reasoably avilable, ie, able to be reasonably afforded by the event
budget, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Hams would really just be enhancing the safety and practising their
skills they might need in emergencies.

--
Terry Collins {:-)}}}}}
Bicycles, Appropriate Technology, Natural Environment, Welding




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Seems to me that some have gotten confused with this ruling as I have heard that
if your on the job ham radio is a no no, but off the job than ham radio is a go!
That is how I see it here.


Say my boss wants comm for relief efforts while I am on the clock, I don't even
touch the radio - period, now, if I were to volunteer the effort as a ham and
not an employee, than, I can justify the use of ham radio to for that matter -
otherwise, kiss my grits to ground floor!




Jeff
KE7OUR




-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:28:28 pm
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
From: "terryc" <terryc@...>
Subject: Re: [BMHA] FCC and ride support

Mickey Applebaum wrote:

> Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

The key here seems to be "reasonably available". If a Part 90 isn't
reasoably avilable, ie, able to be reasonably afforded by the event
budget, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Hams would really just be enhancing the safety and practising their
skills they might need in emergencies.



--
Terry Collins {:-)}}}}}
Bicycles, Appropriate Technology, Natural Environment, Welding

Mickey Applebaum wrote:

> Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

The key here seems to be "reasonably available". If a Part 90 isn't
reasoably avilable, ie, able to be reasonably afforded by the event
budget, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Hams would really just be enhancing the safety and practising their
skills they might need in emergencies.



--
Terry Collins {:-)}}}}}
Bicycles, Appropriate Technology, Natural Environment, Welding

This kind of issue has been brought before the FCC before, and been thrown
out.  As long as it's not for profit or personal gain, there's no problem.
Now, if that individual wants to waste their time and money to take it
before them, he can go right ahead.  But there's already case law to allow
it.  The comment about some of the people being employees and Amateurs may
have some validity.  Solution:  No one who is an employee of the organizer
may provide amateur  radio service while in the employ (on the clock) of the
organizer.

Kind of reminds me of somebody who complained to Riley Hollingsworth about
me in the mid 90's.  Mr. Hollingsworth basically told him to go suck an egg!

Incidentally, "should" has a vastly different meaning than "shall".
"Should" is akin to saying, "It doesn't hurt to check", where "shall" is
"you must check".

Jack KE4LWT

That's a whole different issue...  it's this..

It is a narrow path between (1) utilizing beneficial opportunities for public
service communications and showcasing the continued relevance and importance of
Amateur Radio communications to the public; and (2) allowing organizations to
exploit Amateur Radio as a cheap and flexible alternative to the Land Mobile
Radio Service, General Mobile Radio Service, or Commercial Mobile Radio Service
facilities.

Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

that brings HAM use into question for events...

>>> Kelly Bersch<KBBersch@...> 10/8/2009 3:42 PM >>>

I believe the issue dealt with Amateurs who are employees of the
organization sponsoring the event. Most of the time the Hans that
support a ride are not employees of the sponsoring organization so there
doesn't appear to be a conflict.

73 de AC7EW
Kelly

Mickey Applebaum wrote:

Hello all...

I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the support
of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons, triathalons
etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.

Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from being
part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and recordings
to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.

Any thoughts?

Mickey
KE7NZA

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And it's from that article that these lines are from...

It is a narrow path between (1) utilizing beneficial opportunities for public
service communications and showcasing the continued relevance and importance of
Amateur Radio communications to the public; and (2) allowing organizations to
exploit Amateur Radio as a cheap and flexible alternative to the Land Mobile
Radio Service, General Mobile Radio Service, or Commercial Mobile Radio Service
facilities.

Amateur Radio should not be used as a substitute for Part 90 Land Mobile
communications or other reasonably available alternate communications systems,
including unlicensed services.

this is what brings HAM radio use into question for event management...


>>> nf0n<nf0n@...> 10/8/2009 3:28 PM >>>

This article by the ARRL contains some discussion on the subject.

Mike, NF0N

http://www.arrl.org/news/files/ARRL_AppropriateUseGuidelines.pdf

--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey Applebaum" <ke7nza@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all...
>
> I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the support
of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons, triathalons
etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.
>
> Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from being
part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and recordings
to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mickey
> KE7NZA
>
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>




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I believe the issue dealt with Amateurs who are employees of the
organization sponsoring the event.  Most of the time the Hans that
support a ride are not employees of the sponsoring organization so there
doesn't appear to be a conflict.

73 de AC7EW
Kelly



Mickey Applebaum wrote:

Hello all...

I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the support
of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons, triathalons
etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.

Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from being
part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and recordings
to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.

Any thoughts?

Mickey
KE7NZA



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This article by the ARRL contains some discussion on the subject.

Mike, NF0N

http://www.arrl.org/news/files/ARRL_AppropriateUseGuidelines.pdf

--- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey Applebaum" <ke7nza@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all...
>
> I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the support
of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons, triathalons
etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.
>
> Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from being
part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and recordings
to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mickey
> KE7NZA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Actually, in 97.113 it does state that Amateur Radio should not be used when
another radio service (i.e. Land, Marine, Commercial) is available and able to
provide the support needed.

For the Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure (which I help co-ordinate the SAG
support) this would mean that we have to contact a commercial radio service
provider, have them tell us whether they can cover the entire route, and then
get them in the field for a proof of service before we can say whether the HAM's
would be able to provide support for the ride (assuming the commercial provider
can not provide coverage throughout the route).  To me, this puts an undue
burden on the event organizers to prove that commercial radio services can not
cover the event before contacting HAM's to help out.

Mickey
KE7NZA

>>> Mr Albert Furlow<albeham@...> 10/8/2009 2:57 PM >>>

After reading that part. That gentlemen needs to find another hobby. As I
read it, I see he has no case what so ever.

But in saying that, have a talk with ARRL.

AL KA1FFO

-----Original Message-----
From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BMHA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Mickey Applebaum
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:49 PM
To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BMHA] FCC and ride support

Hello all...

I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the
support of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons,
triathalons etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.

Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from
being part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and
recordings to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.

Any thoughts?

Mickey
KE7NZA

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Also found this.
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=220443



   -----Original Message-----
   From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BMHA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Mickey Applebaum
   Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:49 PM
   To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [BMHA] FCC and ride support


     Hello all...

   I am wondering how those of you out there are planning on dealing with the
issues raised by the FCC in regards to the use of Amateur Radio for the
support of such public service events as bicycle rides (parades, marathons,
triathalons etc) where such use can be construed as a violation of 97.113.

   Out here in Utah we've even got one of the commercial radio providers
threatening to sue to get a cease and desist order to prevent HAM's from
being part of such events (as well as threatening to provide call signs and
recordings to the FCC for prosecution) if we continue to do so.

   Any thoughts?

   Mickey
   KE7NZA

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Thanks Steve, I am in Severn, MD.
I am also looking at a trade with another ham using my SGC SG-2020 as a
trade.

AL

   -----Original Message-----
   From: BMHA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BMHA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
BrassRat77
   Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:55 PM
   To: BMHA@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [BMHA] Re: Help..I am looking for a bike.. Recumbent




   --- In BMHA@yahoogroups.com, "Mr Albert Furlow" <albeham@...> wrote:
   >
   > Yep I am sold on them. Now I need to find one here in Maryland. Saw some
on
   > crag list, but would like to test ride one to see if its a fit. Where do
I
   > go?
   > AL

   Al: Where are you in MD? Mt Airy Bikes/College Park Bikes (2 locations) is
sells new and used recumbents. http://www.bike123.com/ I'd check out their
web site and call them. Closer to me (but a lot farther for you),
Bikes@Vienna (Vienna VA) sells new and used 'bents and usually has a variety
available for rent and test riding on the W&OD bike trail.

   73 de Steve KS1G






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