For 800MHz, I picked up a Larsen 800MHz elevated feed dipole.  Physically, its
about 8 inches tall.  A bit big yes, but the performance you get out of this
sucker is incredible.  In terms of its ability to catch distant RF, systems that
wouldn't even decode with the stock antenna come in very usable (2 or 3 bars)
with this.

It works "good enough" for the VHF and UHF needs I have as well.

See here:

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=36817&eventPage=1
-----Original Message-----
From: MCH <mch@...>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:07:41
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: XT version sensitivity?


Good solution, but how many people would complain about the antenna that
is twice the height of the current stock one? How many would feel that
is a good trade-off for increased sensitivity? How many people would not
like the increased center of gravity (it's not as if the 396 isn't
already top-heavy with some larger antennas)? How many would pay the
extra $10 or so? And last, what are the odds Uniden would prefer to
leave that choice up to the consumer who can purchase an aftermarket
antenna if they feel the need for it?

All good points from a technical point of view,
but not always the best marketing solution.

Recently, I've been using a super-stubby antenna which seems to work
just as well on 800 MHz as the stock duck, and not too far off par from
any other antenna out there (again, at 800 MHz).

Joe M.

Mike Iszak wrote:
> To solve the antenna issue, pick up an antenna that doesn't require a
groundplane.
>
> In mobile use, I use a Sinclair 1482 which is a half wave that doesn't need a
ground plane.  I'm SURE they make portable antennas that are the same.  It'd
likely be larger (like, double)...but it would work great.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MCH <mch@...>
>
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:54:47
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: XT version sensitivity?
>
>
> And I'll bring up a point I've made many times. How much of that
> 'betterness' (new word, I think) is due to the more efficient antenna
> system? The 296 has a much better ground plane to work with over the
> 396. This is particularly true on UHF where the radio itself is a
> quarter wave counterpoise to compliment the antenna.
>
> I've noticed in general that scanner sensitivity has been on the
> decrease (all manufacturers, not just Uniden), but I'm not sure if it's
> due to the components used/available (compact multifunction components
> never seem to perform as well as discrete components), or other factors
> such as the aforementioned antenna inefficiency.
>
> Part of the issue could be the size reduction for both of the above
> reasons. So, do you want it big and work a little better or small at the
> sacrifice of a little sensitivity? Personally, I've never noticed much
> difference in the scanners. There is some loss, but it's hardly what I
> would call 'deaf' on any band. Maybe some units have more of an issue
> than others.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Dewey wrote:
>> I would have to fully agree with Joseph McGinley's statement, and
>> respectfully disagree with yours Joe M.  I've always said, and always will
>> say that the 396 if DEAF in the UHF band.  I can not agree that increasing
>> the sensitivity necessarily means decreasing the selectivity.  My BC250D's
>> receiver is as hot as all of my GREs to include the Pro-96, yet it does not
>> seem to be susceptible to front end overload.
>>
>> Dewey
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of MCH
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 16:15
>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: XT version sensitivity?
>>
>> Why would you want that? Other scanners have more sensitivity but have
>> intermod and overload issues in urban areas. When these other scanners are
>> deaf, the 396 receives the signals fine. IOW, don't mess with what works.
>>
>> Granted, if you're in a rural area the extra sensitivity would be nice, but
>> not at the expense of usability in urban areas. Many people travel between
>> the two areas and would rather have a scanner that works fair everywhere as
>> opposed to only working in one environment and not all.
>> The 396T is a good balance between the various environments.
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, McGinley Joseph <mcginleyjoseph2000@...>
>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Can someone tell me if this version has better sensitivity than that  >
>> of the t version? That is my deciding factor to purchase.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



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From my experiance the 396T isn't deaf by any means, however you do need
the right antenna. I use a RS 800 Mhz antenna on the road and it works
wonders on the 800 but also on say 453 and 460's and still pulls in VHF High
from 30+ miles away. I have received 800Mhz analog and digital systems on
the same tower sites from 50 miles away with the little ole 800Mhz antenna
in both clear aand stormy weather.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dewey" <Dewey3@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Re: XT version sensitivity?


>I would have to fully agree with Joseph McGinley's statement, and
> respectfully disagree with yours Joe M.  I've always said, and always will
> say that the 396 if DEAF in the UHF band.  I can not agree that increasing
> the sensitivity necessarily means decreasing the selectivity.  My BC250D's
> receiver is as hot as all of my GREs to include the Pro-96, yet it does
> not
> seem to be susceptible to front end overload.
>
> Dewey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of MCH
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 16:15
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: XT version sensitivity?
>
> Why would you want that? Other scanners have more sensitivity but have
> intermod and overload issues in urban areas. When these other scanners are
> deaf, the 396 receives the signals fine. IOW, don't mess with what works.
>
> Granted, if you're in a rural area the extra sensitivity would be nice,
> but
> not at the expense of usability in urban areas. Many people travel between
> the two areas and would rather have a scanner that works fair everywhere
> as
> opposed to only working in one environment and not all.
> The 396T is a good balance between the various environments.
>
> Joe M.
>
> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, McGinley Joseph <mcginleyjoseph2000@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone tell me if this version has better sensitivity than that  >
> of the t version? That is my deciding factor to purchase.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

If you bothered to read the entire message, you'd have seen at
the bottom:

"(but we still expect to start shipping to most distributors on 3/23)
   UPMan"

johnstark wrote:

> And where does it say that here:
>
> Uniden's fiscal year 2009 starts 4/1/2009. So, our 1Q ends on 6/30/2009
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:24 PM
> Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' ...
>
>
>
>>I did read it... it also said they are shipping to distributors 3/23
>>Don't scare me like that
>>
>>
>>--- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>>
>>>Better read Upmans response, 6/30 isn't 27 days away....
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
>>>To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:54 PM
>>>Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Time to dump, I mean sell all those 396T's on ebay.
>>>>Only 27 more ebay days till our version of Christmas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, Peter Laws <plaws0@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Let me just state, for the record, that there are only 27 days left in
>>>>>the 1st Quarter of 2009.  :-)

will the BCD396XT pick up Tv digital audio
thanks
keith

No. The way the technology is looking right now, it will be quite a while before
it will be economical to incorporate TV audio into a non-TV product..
 UPMan




________________________________
From: keithpitts <keithpitts@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:18:03 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] Tv digital audio


will the BCD396XT pick up Tv digital audio
thanks
keith







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Or if the storing of multi tones on one freq has been sorted on search and
store? This is a problem with the t version. That will be my deciding factor.

McGinley Joseph wrote:
>             Can someone tell me if this version has better sensitivity than
that of the t version? That is my deciding factor to purchase.
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Uniden UPMan < uniden.upman@ yahoo.com > wrote:
> From: Uniden UPMan < uniden.upman@ yahoo.com >
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' ...
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 3:25 PM
> Uniden's fiscal year 2009 starts 4/1/2009. So, our 1Q ends on 6/30/2009.
> (but we still expect to start shipping to most distributors on 3/23)
>  UPMan
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Peter Laws <plaws0@gmail. com>
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 2:20:56 PM
> Subject: [BCD396XT] Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' ...
> Let me just state, for the record, that there are only 27 days left in
> the 1st Quarter of 2009. :-)
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


> UPMan...
>
> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>
> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>
> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference.com
>
>    MCH wrote:
>
>    That's only a two-step process, though. What I was talking about below
>    is a 10-20 step attenuation that could be applied by the user on a
>    global scale. IOW, rather than ATT on/off, it would be ATT -20 to
>    +20 in
>    say 2 or 4 dB steps. Each channel could have its own offset, too, so
>    channels with little to no intermod could be +20 at all times while
>    channels that are problems even in rural areas could be set to -20.
>
>    Many times, the 2-step ATT option is not adequate on some scanners. The
>    ATT OFF overloads and the ATT ON doesn't have enough sensitivity. Hence
>    my desire for user selectable attenuation steps.
>
>    I'm sure it's way too late for this in the XT, but it would be nice to
>    see in the future in some upper tier models.
>
>    Joe M.
>
>
> Uniden UPMan wrote:
> > At one point I had made the suggestion that one could make a "City"
> and "Rural" version of a system...City with ATT turned on and Rural with
> ATT turned off, each version appropriately GPS controlled.
> > UPMan
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's without
programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency and held on
it to get the LCN's from the scanner.

Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you need
but try


--- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>
> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
>
> > UPMan...
> >
> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
> >
> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
> >
> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
> >
> > Thanks
> >

Good question Terry!   

It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could decode
their proper LCN position and store that.  As an aside, in my GRE500 and RS106,
only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN number...no traffic,
just another frequency without a home.  

If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model, future
offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in Illinois are
going digi.

Thanks!




________________________________
From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities

> UPMan...
>
> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>
> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>
> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>
> MCH wrote:
>
> That's only a two-step process, though. What I was talking about below
> is a 10-20 step attenuation that could be applied by the user on a
> global scale. IOW, rather than ATT on/off, it would be ATT -20 to
> +20 in
> say 2 or 4 dB steps. Each channel could have its own offset, too, so
> channels with little to no intermod could be +20 at all times while
> channels that are problems even in rural areas could be set to -20.
>
> Many times, the 2-step ATT option is not adequate on some scanners. The
> ATT OFF overloads and the ATT ON doesn't have enough sensitivity. Hence
> my desire for user selectable attenuation steps.
>
> I'm sure it's way too late for this in the XT, but it would be nice to
> see in the future in some upper tier models.
>
> Joe M.
>
>
> Uniden UPMan wrote:
> > At one point I had made the suggestion that one could make a "City"
> and "Rural" version of a system...City with ATT turned on and Rural with
> ATT turned off, each version appropriately GPS controlled.
> > UPMan
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>







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Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
things..... and thats a long list :)

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
>
> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
> need but try
>
>
> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>>
>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> > UPMan...
>> >
>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
>> > to
>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
>> > LCN
>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
>> >
>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>> >
>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Can anyone tell me if the wide variation in audio levels
between P25 & conventional systems has been addressed in the 396XT. The AGC
doesn't seem to do much on my 396T.

Thank you,
Bob Arenella
N2OAM

In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
determining the LCN because it's a
"go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
regardless of which LCN it's on.

With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
any scanner can determine that information.


Clark

At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:

>Good question Terry!
>
>It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>decode their proper LCN position and store that.  As an aside, in my
>GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>
>If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>future offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>Illinois are going digi.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
>To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
>
>Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
> > UPMan...
> >
> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
> >
> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
> >
> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
> > IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com

I haven't used that function on my 396 but, we have a couple LTR companies that
like to swap out frequencies periodically. It happens. Sometimes hearing the
vendors and tow trucks is better than the local traffic report on AM radio or
the State Police themselves. Tremendous source of infor about closures,
accidents, arterial routes, etc.. We all have our own purposes I guess. But, I
anxiously wait to here more from UPMan...who I sure is very busy this time of
year.




________________________________
From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:34:38 AM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
things..... and thats a long list :)

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "torontokris" <torontokris@ yahoo.com>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
>
> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
> need but try
>
>
> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@. ..> wrote:
>>
>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ...>
>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> > UPMan...
>> >
>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
>> > to
>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
>> > LCN
>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
>> >
>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>> >
>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>







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90% of such mismatches are the result of a conventional system being set to AUTO
when it should be set to FM. AUTO for most bands will select NFM, which is
the current FCC band plan value. However, there are still many legacy systems
that use FM.

Tuning into a conventional FM transmission with the scanner set to AUTO or NFM
will result in the conventional channel's audio to be much louder than it should
be.

That said, we have added a per-channel setting of -3 to +3db audio cut/boost.
 UPMan




________________________________
From: Bob Arenella <rja12@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 11:25:04 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] 396XT Audio AGC


Can anyone tell me if the wide variation in audio levels
between P25 & conventional systems has been addressed in the 396XT. The AGC
doesn't seem to do much on my 396T.

Thank you,
Bob Arenella
N2OAM







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Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
(usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).

Joe M.

Clark wrote:
> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
> determining the LCN because it's a
> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
> regardless of which LCN it's on.
>
> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
> any scanner can determine that information.
>
>
> Clark
>
> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Good question Terry!
>>
>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>> decode their proper LCN position and store that.  As an aside, in my
>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>>
>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>> future offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>> Illinois are going digi.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>> UPMan...
>>>
>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>>
>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>>
>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Do you have them programmed as the correct mode on the T? The most
common reason for this is having FM frequencies programmed as NFM or AUTO.

Joe M.

Bob Arenella wrote:
>              Can anyone tell me if the wide variation in audio levels
> between P25 & conventional systems has been addressed in the 396XT. The AGC
> doesn't seem to do much on my 396T.
>
> Thank you,
> Bob Arenella
> N2OAM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too
loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is
taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed
it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior
to the release.




________________________________
From: MCH <mch@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
(usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).

Joe M.

Clark wrote:
> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
> determining the LCN because it's a
> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
> regardless of which LCN it's on.
>
> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
> any scanner can determine that information.
>
>
> Clark
>
> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Good question Terry!
>>
>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>>
>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>> Illinois are going digi.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlink .net>
>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>> UPMan...
>>>
>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>>
>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>>
>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>






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Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.

As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.

Joe M.

Brian wrote:
> Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too
loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is
taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed
it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior
to the release.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: MCH <mch@...>
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
>
> Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
> seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
> (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
> CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
>
> Joe M.
>
> Clark wrote:
>> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
>> determining the LCN because it's a
>> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
>> regardless of which LCN it's on.
>>
>> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
>> any scanner can determine that information.
>>
>>
>> Clark
>>
>> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>> Good question Terry!
>>>
>>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
>>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>>>
>>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>>> Illinois are going digi.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlink .net>
>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>
>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>> UPMan...
>>>>
>>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
>>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
>>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>>>
>>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>>>
>>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
>>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

No, I did after going back & rereading my post (Smile)




________________________________
From: MCH <mch@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 4:05:08 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.

As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.

Joe M.

Brian wrote:
> Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too
loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is
taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed
it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior
to the release.
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: MCH <mch@...>
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
>
> Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
> seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
> (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
> CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
>
> Joe M.
>
> Clark wrote:
>> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
>> determining the LCN because it's a
>> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
>> regardless of which LCN it's on.
>>
>> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
>> any scanner can determine that information.
>>
>>
>> Clark
>>
>> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>> Good question Terry!
>>>
>>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
>>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>>>
>>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>>> Illinois are going digi.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlin k .net>
>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>
>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>> UPMan...
>>>>
>>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
>>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
>>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>>>
>>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>>>
>>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
>>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>






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Under what rock are you living sir?

LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.

To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy who's in
the field trying to map out a system.

Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed on
RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.

It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze mode...the
idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what channels are
busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could have even a slow
system mapped in half an hour.
-----Original Message-----
From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
things..... and thats a long list :)

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
>
> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
> need but try
>
>
> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>>
>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> > UPMan...
>> >
>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
>> > to
>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
>> > LCN
>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
>> >
>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>> >
>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>




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I did change the mode from FMN to FM and that did help a bit. I
was thinking that FMN was ok, as there was no audio clipping. The 6db
adjustment range should make things perfect. Can't wait to get my hands on
one!

Thank you,
bob arenella
N2OAM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Uniden UPMan" <uniden.upman@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] 396XT Audio AGC


90% of such mismatches are the result of a conventional system being set to
AUTO when it should be set to FM. AUTO for most bands will select NFM, which
is the current FCC band plan value. However, there are still many legacy
systems that use FM.

Tuning into a conventional FM transmission with the scanner set to AUTO or
NFM will result in the conventional channel's audio to be much louder than
it should be.

That said, we have added a per-channel setting of -3 to +3db audio
cut/boost.
UPMan




________________________________
From: Bob Arenella <rja12@...>
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 11:25:04 AM
Subject: [BCD396XT] 396XT Audio AGC


Can anyone tell me if the wide variation in audio levels
between P25 & conventional systems has been addressed in the 396XT. The AGC
doesn't seem to do much on my 396T.

Thank you,
Bob Arenella
N2OAM







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Yahoo! Groups Links

FWIW, on EDACS, the LCN is not broadcast on voice freqs, but it is on the
control channel.  The new GRE's will tell you what channel the control is if
you "analyze" it.  Not really an important feature, just something that's
there.



Clayton



   _____

From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Clark
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:10 AM
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities



In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
determining the LCN because it's a
"go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
regardless of which LCN it's on.

With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
any scanner can determine that information.

Clark






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Ahhh. OK.

Joe M.

Brian wrote:
> No, I did after going back & rereading my post (Smile)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: MCH <mch@...>
> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 4:05:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>
>
> Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.
>
> As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Brian wrote:
>> Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too
loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is
taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed
it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior
to the release.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: MCH <mch@...>
>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>
>>
>> Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
>> seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
>> (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
>> CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> Clark wrote:
>>> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
>>> determining the LCN because it's a
>>> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
>>> regardless of which LCN it's on.
>>>
>>> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
>>> any scanner can determine that information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Clark
>>>
>>> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good question Terry!
>>>>
>>>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
>>>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
>>>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
>>>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
>>>>
>>>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
>>>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
>>>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
>>>> Illinois are going digi.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlin k .net>
>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
>>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>>
>>>>> UPMan...
>>>>>
>>>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
>>>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
>>>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
>>>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
  Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
long ago.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> Under what rock are you living sir?
>
> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
>
> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
>
> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
>
> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could
> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
> LTR
> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
> is
> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
> really
> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
> on
> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
> scanner
> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
> things..... and thats a long list :)
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
> Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
>> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
>> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
>> frequency
>> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
>>
>> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
>> need but try
>>
>>
>> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>
>>> > UPMan...
>>> >
>>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
>>> > to
>>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
>>> > LCN
>>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>> >
>>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>> >
>>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak.  I think the rock he is living on is called
United States or Canada ;)
Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet.  Just got back from my last cruise
trip this year.  Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on RR.
Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
have many that isn't listed yet.  90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
listed on RR.
If John looks around RR (outside of United States).  He will notice some
countries is still missing lots of info.

-Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Iszak"
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> Under what rock are you living sir?
> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could
> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: "johnstark"
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
> LTR
> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
> is
> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
> really
> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
> on
> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
> scanner
> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
> things..... and thats a long list :)
> John

That's because nobody is volunteering the information.
If you know something that's not in RR, put it in RR.

-----Original Message-----
From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:29 PM
To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak.  I think the rock he is living on is called

United States or Canada ;)
Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet.  Just got back from my last cruise

trip this year.  Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on RR.
Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
have many that isn't listed yet.  90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
listed on RR.
If John looks around RR (outside of United States).  He will notice some
countries is still missing lots of info.

-Brian

It's already been done Joe Polcari.
I guess you didn't notice the new stuff this year for those countries.  :-)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Polcari"
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

> That's because nobody is volunteering the information.
> If you know something that's not in RR, put it in RR.

Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they don't
care.

They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE, talkgroup
voice type).  The radio is already decoding the info in the idle bursts and the
data on the voice channel anyway.  It would take NOTHING to display it on the
screen, or not require proper placement.

It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its that
the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the abilities of
their radio.  I don't believe any excuses such as design limitations or memory
because that simply isn't true!
-----Original Message-----
From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
  Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
long ago.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> Under what rock are you living sir?
>
> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
>
> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
>
> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
>
> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could
> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
> LTR
> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
> is
> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
> really
> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
> on
> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
> scanner
> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
> things..... and thats a long list :)
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
> Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
>> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
>> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
>> frequency
>> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
>>
>> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
>> need but try
>>
>>
>> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
>>>
>>>
>>> > UPMan...
>>> >
>>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
>>> > to
>>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
>>> > LCN
>>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
>>> >
>>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
>>> >
>>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>
>
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Who cares about what other countries are doing, we are dealing the US and a
lesser degree Canada which according to sales for the upcoming 396XT which
is for the North American market, not South America.
  And RR isn't the bible on scanning or scanners, much of the info there is
wrong, and it's that way because they depend on site users to "give" them
the info so they can sell it. Just because it isn't listed on RR doesn't
mean it hasn't been figured out, you just need to know how and where to find
it, and it aint rocket science if you do have to figure it out yourself. It
took a 25 minutes to figure out the two systems in this area and guess what,
RR was wrong on both!

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>
To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


> Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak.  I think the rock he is living on is
> called
> United States or Canada ;)
> Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet.  Just got back from my last
> cruise
> trip this year.  Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on
> RR.
> Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
> have many that isn't listed yet.  90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
> listed on RR.
> If John looks around RR (outside of United States).  He will notice some
> countries is still missing lots of info.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Iszak"
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
>> Under what rock are you living sir?
>> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
>> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
>> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
>> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
>> listed
>> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
>> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
>> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
>> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could
>> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "johnstark"
>> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
>> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
>> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
>> LTR
>> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
>> is
>> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
>> really
>> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
>> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
>> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
>> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
>> on
>> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
>> scanner
>> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
>> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
>> things..... and thats a long list :)
>> John
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

In Southern Calif., there are several (and interesting) LTR systems that
ambulance services use. Plus business LTR
systems that are sometimes more interesting than public safety.
LTR-Analyzer is good for determining the proper LCN and displaying the TGs
but not much help for finding the actual frequencies.

Clark


At 08:15 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote:

>First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
>the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
>though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
>in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
>  Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
>requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
>that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
>pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
>long ago.
>
>John
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
>To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
>
>
> > Under what rock are you living sir?
> >
> > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
> >
> > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
> > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
> >
> > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
> > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
> >
> > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
> > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
> > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic.  You could
> > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
> >
> >
> > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
> > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
> > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
> > LTR
> > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
> > is
> > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
> > really
> > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
> > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
> > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
> > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
> > on
> > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
> > scanner
> > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on  occasion, but not
> > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
> > things..... and thats a long list :)
> >
> > John