I don't get the first one, but the 'under the table' and the 'pizza on a restaurant table' I dig. :D

 

Ghita

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> OK, here are some tongue firmly in cheek suggestions.
>
> Please remeber that I do not have leet Hearldry Skillz. Anything
> that I could not say in blazon-eese is in parens. Real Hearlds
> should feel free to laugh, taunt and correct me.
>
> So.....
>
> Celebrating one of the official animals of the area:
> Argent, on a pile inverted sable a horse statent or.
>
> Celebrating the political ethics of the area:
> Vert, in pale a table argent a hand fesswise couped or.
>
> Celebrating one of our favorite cusines:
> Chequy guiles and sable a rondel (divided six ways) or (with a) semi
> of rondels guiles.
>
> Angus Fraser
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "exit104" <exit104@...>

> OK, here are some tongue firmly in cheek suggestions.
>
> Please remeber that I do not have leet Hearldry Skillz. Anything
> that I could not say in blazon-eese is in parens. Real Hearlds
> should feel free to laugh, taunt and correct me.
>
> So.....
>
> Celebrating one of the official animals of the area:
> Argent, on a pile inverted sable a horse statent or.
>
> Celebrating the political ethics of the area:
> Vert, in pale a table argent a hand fesswise couped or.
>
> Celebrating one of our favorite cusines:
> Chequy guiles and sable a rondel (divided six ways) or (with a) semi
> of rondels guiles.
>
> Angus Fraser
> -*Angus*-
>
>
>
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OK, here are some tongue firmly in cheek suggestions.



Please remeber that I do not have leet Hearldry Skillz. Anything

that I could not say in blazon-eese is in parens. Real Hearlds

should feel free to laugh, taunt and correct me.



So.....



Celebrating one of the official animals of the area:

Argent, on a pile inverted sable a horse statent or.



Celebrating the political ethics of the area:

Vert, in pale a table argent a hand fesswise couped or.



Celebrating one of our favorite cusines:

Chequy guiles and sable a rondel (divided six ways) or (with a) semi

of rondels guiles.



Angus Fraser

-*Angus*-

Now you're in trouble :)



Jale



--- Erick Maxskelly <erickmaxskelly@...> wrote:



> >

> >

> >

> > Frankly I'd LOVE to see Jale's interpretive dance

> but sadly no that

> > won't happen.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  Well.... ITS JUST A JUMP TO THE LEFT....

>             AND THEN A STEP TO THE RIGHT....

>

> It's indeed a takeoff on the Windy City...Ayre   Town.....



The name itself was the brainchild of Jonathan the Osprey, who was

seneschal of Grey Gargoyles at the time (or, possibly, he might have

then-recently stepped down).  It came into being about four years ago,

when Grey Gargoyles and Tree-Girt-Sea first started coordinating their

practices.  Shortly thereafter, the chatelaines of those two groups

created the office of the Lord/Lady Mayor (inspired by the ceremonial

Lord Mayor of London), after consultation and with the participation of

all five local groups (to my knowledge, that was the first "expansion"

of Ayreton, though I think Jonathan's vision always was to be inclusive

of all of Northeastern Illinois).



Jonathan isn't around these days; for them who are interested, I've

seen him around the SCA about 3 times since his divorce, (which was a

couple of years ago).  I know that he's still in the area (I've bumped

into him at professional conferences), and that he's unlikely to return

to the SCA in the immediate future.



    Christian Fournier

I, of course, disagree with this sentiment.  If you are going to use it like

heraldry, why not follow the rules of heraldry.  They are not as arbitrary

as you may think.



Thorvald

Just some guy interested in heraldry.

(This is NOT necessarily the opinion of my office)









<<I don't think it's a good idea to restrict our non-registered device for a

unofficial group to the rules of heraldry...



~Tedesco~)

Frankly I'd LOVE to see Jale's interpretive dance but sadly no that
won't happen.

 Well.... ITS JUST A JUMP TO THE LEFT....
            AND THEN A STEP TO THE RIGHT....

Ian the Green
Ayreton Towne Cryer

--
Ld. Earik MacSkellie
Squire to Sir Galem Lionel Ostwestly
Marshal, Incipient Shire of Foxvale

Hail and well met,



If the design is in a digital form (jpeg, gif, etc.), where should it

be sent to? I'm toying with a few ideas and was wondering where

should I send them once they are finished.



Much thanks.



-Rhisiart ap Llywelyn

"Sursum ad Summum"





--- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "David Roland" <mystborne@...> wrote:

>

> Greetings unto the People of Ayreton.

>

> A reminder.  As much conversation as there is about the Ayreton

> Badge Contest I wanted to remind folks that it is a contest.

>

> You can, and are encouraged to, make the design anything you want

it

> to be.

>

> As I am the Ayreton Towne Cryer I will NOT be participating in the

> contest simply because in my opinion that would not be meet, though

> if I did I would be doing it in calligraphy.

>

> As the contest regulations state, it can be interpretive dance or

> anything else.  If you want to SEW something, go for it, if you

want

> to word work something, go for it, if you want to do something on

MS

> Paint go for it, if you want to metal work it, go for it.

>

> Make something that you think symbolizes Ayreton.  The term badge

> really should be switched to SYMBOL.  Think of it as you will but

> keep in mind that everyone can come up with anything they want to

> come up with.

>

> A discussion held off to the side of the Ayreton Towne Meeting at

> Fox Hunt II discussed a fanciful blending of ideas.  Hardly

> heraldical.  And thats just fine folks.

>

> I fully encourage people to continue the conversation as it has

been

> going.

>

> BUT I want to remind everyone that ANYTHING is fair game for the

> contest.

>

> Frankly I'd LOVE to see Jale's interpretive dance but sadly no that

> won't happen.

>

> Ian the Green

> Ayreton Towne Cryer

>

So, not so much a badge as a gesture of unity.

If a dance won, would everyone in the area have to learn it or just learn to

recognize it?





An Arguably Amalgamated Area of Ayreton.

Because Bigger is Better.

Could coalesce and contain chicagoland.

Don't be decieved dramatically,

Everyone enters expecting enjoyment.



Dycon's Gesture



-----Original Message-----

From: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ayreton@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf

Of David Roland

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:00 AM

To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Ayreton] Re: Ayreton Badge Contest





Greetings unto the People of Ayreton.



A reminder.  As much conversation as there is about the Ayreton

Badge Contest I wanted to remind folks that it is a contest.



You can, and are encouraged to, make the design anything you want it

to be.



As I am the Ayreton Towne Cryer I will NOT be participating in the

contest simply because in my opinion that would not be meet, though

if I did I would be doing it in calligraphy.



As the contest regulations state, it can be interpretive dance or

anything else.  If you want to SEW something, go for it, if you want

to word work something, go for it, if you want to do something on MS

Paint go for it, if you want to metal work it, go for it.



Make something that you think symbolizes Ayreton.  The term badge

really should be switched to SYMBOL.  Think of it as you will but

keep in mind that everyone can come up with anything they want to

come up with.



A discussion held off to the side of the Ayreton Towne Meeting at

Fox Hunt II discussed a fanciful blending of ideas.  Hardly

heraldical.  And thats just fine folks.



I fully encourage people to continue the conversation as it has been

going.



BUT I want to remind everyone that ANYTHING is fair game for the

contest.



Frankly I'd LOVE to see Jale's interpretive dance but sadly no that

won't happen.



Ian the Green

Ayreton Towne Cryer









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Greetings unto the People of Ayreton.



A reminder.  As much conversation as there is about the Ayreton

Badge Contest I wanted to remind folks that it is a contest.



You can, and are encouraged to, make the design anything you want it

to be.



As I am the Ayreton Towne Cryer I will NOT be participating in the

contest simply because in my opinion that would not be meet, though

if I did I would be doing it in calligraphy.



As the contest regulations state, it can be interpretive dance or

anything else.  If you want to SEW something, go for it, if you want

to word work something, go for it, if you want to do something on MS

Paint go for it, if you want to metal work it, go for it.



Make something that you think symbolizes Ayreton.  The term badge

really should be switched to SYMBOL.  Think of it as you will but

keep in mind that everyone can come up with anything they want to

come up with.



A discussion held off to the side of the Ayreton Towne Meeting at

Fox Hunt II discussed a fanciful blending of ideas.  Hardly

heraldical.  And thats just fine folks.



I fully encourage people to continue the conversation as it has been

going.



BUT I want to remind everyone that ANYTHING is fair game for the

contest.



Frankly I'd LOVE to see Jale's interpretive dance but sadly no that

won't happen.



Ian the Green

Ayreton Towne Cryer

--- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "Tedesco da Venezia" <tedesco@...>

wrote:

>

> I don't think it's a good idea to restrict our non-registered

device for a

> unofficial group to the rules of heraldry just because maybe someday

> possibly we might want to and be able to form a barony.  I even

hesitated to

> bring that up because we specifically DON'T want to take this down

that

> road.  (especially for the many reason cited here)  What we want

here is a

> banner that we can put up at our event, on the site token,

literature, etc.



I had a feeling that what I stated earlier wasn't well-written, and I

apologize. I concur fully with you on this one. What I was referring

to was that maybe the banner design should be generic enough so that

if a shire doesn't wish to join a potential future barony, then such

a possibility will not drastically alter the banner design.

Having "x" design in a banner because of "y" shire could potentially

lead to that. I don't suspect that such an outcome is probable; it's

more of a "CYA" attitude.



-Rhisiart ap Llywelyn

"Sursum ad Summum"



Andre the Giant Has a Posse

--- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "Tedesco da Venezia" <tedesco@...>

wrote:

>

> One of my thoughts was a variation or use of charges from the

Chicago flag

> (4 red stars between two blue bars) or possibly the Illinois flag

(an

> eagle), though I'd be a bit concerned that some in the farther out

shires

> might feel a bit excluded if the Chicago theme were taken too far.

>



That's a fair enough consideration, and one that I mulled over

earlier. However, I would think that a variation of the Illinois flag

would be a bit over-inclusive. Also, at least the Chicago flag is a

fairly basic design.



I guess a primary consideration before getting to any "nuts and

bolts" issues should be whether the Ayreton badge will be used later

as a Baronial emblem, or is it just going to be an Ayreton badge. If

it is not going to be used for a Baronial badge, then it does free up

certain design ideas that wouldn't, or shouldn't, be considered

otherwise.



However, it is nice to know that I wasn't the only one thinking about

that design... it doesn't make me feel like it was too far out there

as an idea...



-Rhisiart ap Llywelyn

"Sursum ad Summum"



Andre the Giant Has a Posse

Greetings all,



While I am new here, I have been following this thread with some

interest. An idea crossed my mind, so here goes...



Why not use a variation of the flag for the City of Chicago? It's

relatively simple, and can accomodate six, or seven, stars (depending

if folks wish to include the abandoned shire). It can also be used as

a quick recognition of the general area. Also, considering the

general resistance that can come in making the Ayreton Badge a

baronial device, a variation on the "Chicago Flag" can be quickly

discarded without much worry.



Now, color combinations may be a touch more difficult. If the "Red

and Gold" style is used, it could make the flag look a bit like a

flag from a communist state, especially with a red flag with gold

(yellow) stars scheme. If it is pattenred off of the Midrealm shield

color scheme (White, Red & Green), it could look a little "Christmas-

y".



Just my two coppers.



-Rhisiart ap Llywelyn

"Sursum ad summum"



Andre the Giant Has a Posse





--- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "marie_la_f" <lewisn@...> wrote:

>

> --- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "Tedesco da Venezia" <tedesco@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Someday we may actually have a need for registered heraldry (i.e.

the

> > whole Ayreton-as-a-barony conversation) at which time we can

either >

> > register what we've got, if registrable

>

> While not a bad idea to plan ahead for such an eventuality, I would

be

> wary of designing something with this in mind that relies on

charges

> symbolizing each individual group. It is not a given that all six

> groups would necessarily become part of a barony, and that could

give

> rise to awkward questions about the meaning of the

> fifth/sixth/whateverth charge...

>

> Better by far to come up with a single charge or pattern of charges

> that symbolizes the area as a whole.

>

> My tuppence, spend 'em as you will.

> ~Marie la F

> *Parler doucement et porter une grande arme.*

>

-----Original Message-----
From: Erick Maxskelly
Sent: Oct 19, 2006 9:55 AM
To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ayreton] Ayreton Badge Contest

I have been thinking about the whole household/area badge since this thread first started. I have a suggestion that is completely period and completely against the rules of the College of Heralds. Marshal the Arms of all the Ayreton area groups. By doing this we would be showing both the unity and individuality of the collective groups. And, we would be doing it using already registered hearldry. I wouldn't suggest a gyronny, but perhaps just 6 boxes with each groups heraldry taking up one box. We could arrange them in chronological order going from top to bottom or clockwise (which I believe would be the more period style). Ive spent a few hours trying to cut and paste together what I am talking about, but my photoshop skills are seriously lacking.

On 10/18/06, Alan Terlep <atterlep@gmail.com> wrote:

If someone registers a badge, they can use it as they see fit.  You can register a badge and tell people that you intend for it to be used by the people of Ayreton.  Then it becomes, in practice, the Ayreton badge.

I've seen hundreds of devices and badges that looked good on paper, but were practically impossible to use.  It would be a real shame if Ayreton picked something that wasn't actually usable.  A gyronny of blue and green (to take one example mentioned here) won't be visible unless you're staring at the device up close for a long time--which is how people look at heraldry when they're choosing it, but not how they see it in practice.  Think about the Midlands badge--from any distance at all, all you see is a gold ring.  It still works to identify the Midlands, since a a gold ring on red can be identified from a long way away, but nobody can tell it's a dragon unless they're staring at a banner.

It would good to keep in mind that the rules of heraldry were developed through centuries of trial and error, and are used because they work.  Billboards follow the same rules that medieval heraldry does--they have colors on metals, and limit their images to one or two easily identifiable items.

So if you're going to do a bean count, you need to make sure that the heraldry is displayed in a way that simulates how it will be used in real life.  The best way to do that is to display the designs on 2" rounds.  Or if you wanted to be more ambitious, put them on newsprint and hang them on a clothesline in the wind, and have the voters stand 200' away.

--
Ld. Earik MacSkellie
Squire to Sir Galem Lionel Ostwestly
Marshal, Incipient Shire of Foxvale

--- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, "Tedesco da Venezia" <tedesco@...>

wrote:

>

> Someday we may actually have a need for registered heraldry (i.e. the

> whole Ayreton-as-a-barony conversation) at which time we can either >

> register what we've got, if registrable



While not a bad idea to plan ahead for such an eventuality, I would be

wary of designing something with this in mind that relies on charges

symbolizing each individual group. It is not a given that all six

groups would necessarily become part of a barony, and that could give

rise to awkward questions about the meaning of the

fifth/sixth/whateverth charge...



Better by far to come up with a single charge or pattern of charges

that symbolizes the area as a whole.



My tuppence, spend 'em as you will.

~Marie la F

*Parler doucement et porter une grande arme.*