With the weather neither stifling hot nor numbingly cold in the
attic, I have spent the last few days throwing things away. Having
spent so much money on various Scadian newsletters, I hesitate to
just toss them; anyone who wants the following may have them for the
cost of shipment (they include special kingdom publications) and vary
in number from a small box to a ream-sized box. They date in general
from the early 70s (or when made a kingdom) up to the 90s, when I
came to my senses and put my checkbook away. They are in no order,
and you take all of a title; I will not fill specific ordersI .

Publications:
Black Star
Pale (including regional and local newsletters, plus loose-leaf
binders containing event flyers from 1970 through 1980)
Popular Chivalry
Southwind
Acorn
Page
Crier
Outlandish Herald
Talewind
Dragon's tale
Pikestaff
Mews
Pegasus
Aestel
Popular Chivalry
Crown Prints (beginning from back when Caid was a principality)

Drop me a line off line. Anything not claimed by Halloween will be
handed out as spooky treat-or-treat giftts!

Cheers, Folo
www.micelfolcland.org

Greetings,
     My son is interested at playing at our upcoming Yule feast but
trying to find music is killer, does anyone know of a good source of
Medieval and Renaissance sheet music for a violin(I know, post period,
but that is what he plays.)

Thank you,
madeleine

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:26:40PM -0000, Madeleine Delacroix wrote:

>     My son is interested at playing at our upcoming Yule feast but
> trying to find music is killer, does anyone know of a good source of
> Medieval and Renaissance sheet music for a violin(I know, post period,
> but that is what he plays.)

Hello! The violin is pretty close to period: it achieved its current
shape in the late 1500s. The internals and bow and chin rest were
changed a bit after, but, it's reasonably close.

You can find lots of sheet music at:

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Music/

-- Gregory

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Madeleine Delacroix"
<madeleinedelacroix@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>     My son is interested at playing at our upcoming Yule feast but
> trying to find music is killer, does anyone know of a good source of
> Medieval and Renaissance sheet music for a violin(I know, post period,
> but that is what he plays.)

If you are looking specifically for Christmas themed music, may I
recommend the New Oxford Book of Christmas Carols. Runs about $30 new
in paperback, but SO worth it - a significant chunk of the songs in it
date to SCA period and there are copious notes with each piece as well.

Jehanne de Wodeford
West Kingdom

Hello!

Sorry, an event plus work and life kept me far too busy for a while...

2008/9/30 Labhaoise O'Beachain <labhaoise_obeachain@...>

> I can only give you generalities.. maybe someone has links to extant
> pieces, but it is my understanding that seams are often
> found "accented" rather than hidden in digs....

Ah, yes... I had seen a 13th Spanish tunic where the side seams were
accented with herringbone(?) stitch (red thread on white material), but
never quite seen an actual gap before.
I may have to find something to try it on one of these day. Ideas welcome
anytime :)

Thanks!


Leonor


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>
> Have you tried making a St Birgitta cap, and pin the veil to that?
  <Snip>
> /Lena
>
Thank you.  I'm going to try that.  Fortunately, my mom is good at
helping me fit things behind my head or back.  Ha ha!

Lady Catarine Quhiting
Barony of Terra Pomaria, Summits, An Tir

Gulf Wars will be here sooner than most of us can imagine, as the time
leading up to any large multi-kingdom event always flies far too quickly.

Al Mahala is proud to host activities in three classroom tents for the
entirety of war week that speak to all levels of participation: from
our Beginner Garb classes to our extremely detailed and advanced
classes on period cooking, a hands-on demo for making landscaping and
building supplies in the most authentic of methods, and even period
instrument making.

In addition to our classroom tents, we have ample space for activities
that may require open air and level ground - fire, mud, no matter - we
are ready.

If anyone on this list would care to add to our slate of advanced
classes with focus on historical and cultural detail, here is your
opportunity to defy stereotypes and show that SCAdians who practice
greater levels of authenticity are indeed eagerly and openly sharing
their knowledge in the SCA classroom, and putting an approachable,
friendly face on the goal of greater authenticity.

I have no doubt that there are indeed members of this fine group who
are up for the challenge!  Please contact me with any questions,
comments or feedback - each year we strive for improvement!
  contact me at   zhara8   at ya hoo dot com.

Humbly and In Service,
Ldy. Zhara um Nikko
Gulf Wars Al Mahala A&S

"Galls are irregular plant growths which are stimulated by the
reaction between plant hormones and powerful growth regulating
chemicals produced by some insects or mites. Galls may occur on
leaves, bark, flowers, buds, acorns, or roots. Leaf and twig galls are
most noticeable."

Quoted from this site, which has more information about oak galls:
<http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef408.asp>

The most common galls are created by the common gall wasp. Galls can
be found on many oak, oak-apple, and pistacio  trees. If you have one
in your area, keep an eye on it, and you may be able to get the galls
off it. Ask people in your area, also; they may have an oak tree or
other tree with galls.

Gardening sites say to pick oak galls off the tree no later than
August to protect the tree. Does anyone know the best time to pick the
galls for paint? I'm going to do this, too, for oak gall ink for my
husband's calligraphy, if I can find the oak galls in my area.

Picking your own oak galls is the cheapest way to get oak gall powder,
but you'll have to crush them yourself...not sure the preparation of
the galls for crushing, but you'll need a mortar and pestle to crush
the oak galls and lots of time. You could also purchase whole galls
instead of picking them. Gall powder will be much more
money-consuming, because crushing galls is time-consuming

Hope that helps a little...sorry I can't provide more information.

Vivat the Dream,
Lady Julienne fille Gaspard, mka Jewel Shuping

Greetings to all!

For a birthday present for my husband for next year, I will be
creating a book of SCA and period songs.

I'm starting this waaay early (his birthday is in September), because
I plan to do each page by hand, and add illumination for each page as
well. Then I'll be binding the pages in a leather cover in a period
fashin. I am hoping to creat a gorgeous piece that is documentable and
beautiful that he can use and love (I'll also be printing up the music
on regular paper in a folder for those days that are muddy or just
plain too yucky to risk the pretty book) and will look great.

I am doing this to promote his gorgeous voice and tug him gently away
from the filk and parody songs he tends toward (sometimes having
noting to do with the SCA other than being a parody of another song
that is Scadian filk).

Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
anyone know of any examples on-line?

Secondly, I am looking for the music of France and German, of the 15th
century mostly, but other well-known songs from other times would be
welcome as well. I will need both the music score and the lyrics for
each song.

Vivat the Dream,
Lady Julienne fille Gaspard, mka Jewel Shuping

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Jewel" <avani_pari2@...> wrote:
> Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
> start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
> anyone know of any examples on-line?

http://www.diamm.ac.uk/index.html is an online library of medieval
music manuscripts. Get a log-in, it's worth it.

http://www.artlevine.com/15_16th_century.aspx has some midi files and
PDF notation available for download that fit your specified time period.

Must dash - I have a class this evening. Will post more as I think of
them.

Jehanne de Wodeford
West Kingdom

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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Jewel" <avani_pari2@...> wrote:

> Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
> start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
> anyone know of any examples on-line?

First of all, this sounds like an amazing project! And an ambitious
one. I wish you the best of luck.

One thing to keep in mind is that for much of the SCA period there was
not a standardized way of writing down music. From your post it is
unclear what level of knowledge you have about music and reading
music, so I apologize if this is information you already have. The
shape of notes and location of notes, as well as size and coloring
effected them, and it wasn't always the same from place to place.
Music was originally written down by religious men and women as a way
to document their liturgical music and teach it to others, so they
weren't necessarily making it so just anyone could sit down and read
it. Ballads, chansons, and more popular songs were often not written
down at all, and the bards of the time would not necessarily have know
how to write down music if they had wanted to. For ease of the modern
performing, I might recommend sacrificing some of the authenticity by
writing the music in a modern standard form, with medieval stylings.
Look at Gregorian chants etc. for how the music looked, and try and
utilize the aesthetics into the more standardized musical language.

This page has some later period links to scans.
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/e-music/Music.html

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/medieval/mss/gallery.html has
some earlier manuscripts.

And this is an image that I particularly liked.
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper599/stills/o1u726b1.jpg

try googling:

medieval Renaissance chansonniers online

I can't recall the URLs right at the moment, but I know there are some in
library and museum collections and are online.

What a glorious gift! We want pictures! :-D

Arlys
lower An Tir


On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:47:56 -0000 "Jewel" <avani_pari2@...>
writes:
> Greetings to all!
>
> For a birthday present for my husband for next year, I will be
> creating a book of SCA and period songs.
>
> I'm starting this waaay early (his birthday is in September),
> because
> I plan to do each page by hand, and add illumination for each page
> as
> well. Then I'll be binding the pages in a leather cover in a period
> fashin. I am hoping to creat a gorgeous piece that is documentable
> and
> beautiful that he can use and love (I'll also be printing up the
> music
> on regular paper in a folder for those days that are muddy or just
> plain too yucky to risk the pretty book) and will look great.
>
> I am doing this to promote his gorgeous voice and tug him gently
> away
> from the filk and parody songs he tends toward (sometimes having
> noting to do with the SCA other than being a parody of another song
> that is Scadian filk).
>
> Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
> start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
> anyone know of any examples on-line?
>
> Secondly, I am looking for the music of France and German, of the
> 15th
> century mostly, but other well-known songs from other times would be
> welcome as well. I will need both the music score and the lyrics for
> each song.
>
> Vivat the Dream,
> Lady Julienne fille Gaspard, mka Jewel Shuping
>

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hello!

That is one big project! Best of luck with it! I know of no such
manuscripts from the top of my head, but these two pages might be of help:

http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tml/start.html
http://brassy.club.fr/PartMed/Partmed.html

lp, celestina

Does anyone know of a good way to search for artists in Norway/Denmark/Sweden in
the 15-1600s?  I would like to find examples of clothing in that region/time
frame but can't seem to find a good list of artists that I can try hunting down.
I can occasionally find a painting of royalty but when I then search for other
works by the same painter it usually comes up blank.  I'm hoping that this is
just because I'm not searching in the right place versus there not actually
being any well known painters at that time.

Bjorn Arnaldsson

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> First of all, this sounds like an amazing project! And an ambitious
> one. I wish you the best of luck.

Thanks :) I hope it comes out as wonderful as I'd like it to.

As for music reading, yes, I have an extensive knowledge of writing
and reading music, as does my sister (who taught me most of what I
know). I was in band for all of middle school and most of high school,
and my sister taught me how to read music at the age of 6 (basic
notes, of course) and to play the recorder at that same age! She is a
music education major, so if I don't know something, I can ask her.

> <snip> I might recommend sacrificing some of the authenticity by
> writing the music in a modern standard form, with medieval stylings.

I totally agree. My husband only just knows how to read modern scores,
and has not taken any time to learn medieval scoring (I know some), so
I'll have to do it modern style if I expect him to use the book at all :D

Thank you for all the links, guys! That certainly gives me a place to
start :)

And of course there will be pictures when it's done. What, you think
I'm cruel?

Vivat the Dream,
Lady Julienne fille Gaspard, mka Jewel Shuping
Scribe of Atlantia

>Does anyone know of a good way to search for artists in
>Norway/Denmark/Sweden in the 15-1600s?

The4re are quite a few good pieces of art in the Danish National
Museum, so if you find any books on the artwork they own, you should
snap them up. For general information, try
http://www.questia.com/library/art-and-architecture/scandinavian-art.jsp,
which refers you to relevant books.

A bit out of my period, so sorry.

Cheers, Folo
www.micelfolcland.org

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Folo Watkins <folo@...> wrote:

From: Folo Watkins <folo@...>
Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] Norse-Danish-Swedish artists?
To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:23 AM







>Does anyone know of a good way to search for artists in
>Norway/Denmark/ Sweden in the 15-1600s?

I have three suggestions that will require a bit of work. The first is to go to
the Art Renewal Center (http://www.artrenewal.org) and check out their online
museum. While they have Swedish and Norwegian artists, but all are too late for
your period. They do have a number of Dutch artists - you can search the Museum
by 'country' and it will give you a list of artists with dates. Look under
'Netherlands'.

You can also go to the Web Gallery of Art (http://www.wga.hu) and use the search
function at the bottom. Put 'Swedish' or 'Dutch' or 'Danish' or the country name
in the 'Text' box of the search and the time period (choose 1501-1550 or
1551-1600) and press search. Don't know what you will get, but hopefully it will
be something useful.

The third is to go to the Commons of Wikipedia. Yes, I know, Wiki gets laughed
(or railed against) a lot, but the Commons - which is where all the media is
stored - can be quite useful. Go to the main page(http://commons.wikipedia.org),
and click 'art' and browse or do a search. You might turn up something useful.

I wish I had more 'efficient' suggestions. Hopefully you will find something
useful. One of the reasons I began my latest project - the Tidbits Visual
Research Library - is that period images are very very scattered on the web. I
thought that by gathering them together and sorting them, I could make people's
research easier by doing the first (and often fustrating) step. Alas, I am not
to the 16th c. yet, having only just now finished women's clothing for
1390-1460; or else I might have specific images to which to direct you.

YIS,
Leofwynn Marchaunt

This was on another SCA list, and the 'seller' of this eBay auction says they
'got it at an estate sale' and obviously doesn't know much about it. But it is
clearly a re-enactor's armor - there is padding clearly visible inside the helm
[you can see it in the front on picture of the helm]. Now, it may be that they
got it from an estate sale (seeing as the seller is a long time eBay seller);
but if you know anyone who has had their armor stolen, you may want them to look
at this auction.

A SCAdian suit of armor as nice as this usually doesn't end up in an estate sale
in my experience.

Leofwynn Marchaunt

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, David Backlin <edrei@...> wrote:

From: David Backlin <edrei@...>
Subject: [sca_merchants] Anybody Missing Their Armor?
To: sca_merchants@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Tger" <tgertogg@...>, "glendour" <glendour@...>
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:02 PM






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Looks too new as well, looks like its never been in a fight according to the
picture.    Yours in Humble Service,Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov"Do not scorn the weak
cub. It might become the brutal tiger!" Mongol Proverb"Only a hand that can
grasp a sword may hold a sceptre!" Tatar Proverb

The "Tinyurl" link goes to a cached page that is several days old.
Ebay took this auction down a couple days ago, one hopes for positive
reasons.

Jehanne de Wodeford
West Kingdom

Totally oop for us in Regia but possibly of interest to y'all, this
just came over the Aussie Living History list:

"This modern fashion trend [of underwear as outerwear], which seems
to us to reflect our more easy-going attitudes to our bodies, is
strikingly similar to the layering and glimpsing of undergarments of
English 16th and early 17th Century costume.

"This week sees the posthumous publication of the fourth volume in
the great costume historian Janet Arnold's meticulously detailed
series, Patterns of Fashion.

"Having documented every item of outer clothing for the period,
Arnold has turned her attention to Tudor and Stuart underwear. The
book is sumptuously illustrated with photographs of surviving items
of the clothing our forebears wore next to the skin, including
gorgeous detail of lavish embroidery, lace-work and stitching. And it
shows clearly the ways in which men and women of substance also
enjoyed letting their expensive underwear show.

"Indeed, the most striking difference between underwear-flaunting
then and now seems to have been that in Tudor times, it was not only
women, but men too who adopted fashion designs which allowed them to
reveal their undergarments."

The full story--with illos of Elizabethan fashion--is at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7689554.stm

Cheers, Folo
www.micelfolcland.org

It is a great book and has totally changed my idea of how to put together
shirts and chemises. In fact, now I *have* to make a little shirt, just to
play with the seams!


Hrothny, whose apprentice has an advance copy and lets her read it (wheeee!)

2008/10/26 Terri Morgan wrote:

>  It is a great book and has totally changed my idea of how to put together
> shirts and chemises. In fact, now I *have* to make a little shirt, just to
> play with the seams!


Ooh! Sounds intriguing! What's the earliest chemise in it, do you remember?

Thanks!


Leonor, being tempted...


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Tip for those ordering through Amazon:

Order this book through Amazon.co.uk.  They're having a special right  now on
paperbacks and have priced Patterns of Fashion 4 at only 15 pounds plus
shipping.  My total was 21.98 pounds, which comes out to $35 US, as opposed  to
$50 on the US Amazon site.

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The dates on the book are 1560-1620, I believe.

Also, since Arnold helped to restore them, this will likely contain the
details on the Medici grave clothes, including Eleanora of Toledo's pair of
bodies.  Should be quite fascinating.

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>Order this book through Amazon.co.uk. They're having a special right now on
>paperbacks

I had checked on the Amazon uk site before sending the first email so
that I might include it (the person in Oz had mentioned this), but
the page would no come up. was this a typical Amazon fubar, or was it for real?

Cheers, Folo

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Folo Watkins <folo@...> wrote:

> >Order this book through Amazon.co.uk. They're having
> > a special right now onpaperbacks
>
> I had checked on the Amazon uk site before sending the first email so
> that I might include it (the person in Oz had mentioned this), but
> the page would no come up. was this a typical Amazon fubar,
> or was it for real?
>
> Cheers, Folo

It worked for me.
fwiw

Ann in CT

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Nicole Anderburg"

>
boiling in beeswax not only  seals the leather and hardens it but
darkens it considerably, if your working with a modern factory tanned
vegtan I recommend oak gall or iron oxides in vinegar to darken then
cuirbolli
the worshipful company of horners ( IE the horner and bottlemakers
guild of London) gives out bottles as awards to modern manufacturers
that look cuirbollied in wax
http://www.horners.org.uk/pages/Award/bottlemaking.html
if your looking for documentation to that effect contact them directly
and also the curator of the Mary Rose museum for existant examples
recovered from the wreck
hope this is helpful
Fergal the Smith (formerly Fergal the botteller)

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Nicole Anderburg"
<cotihardie@...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a reference (or just ideas) for the
> finishing of a leather bottle, costrel, etc.

Bill Ruppert who is one of the best bottlers around and who has
studied that in the UK and owns some original costrels, finishes the
exterior with dye and buffs with wax but there are not boiled in wax.

Brown could be achieved by a variety of vegetable/plant dyes, black
would have been achieved with logwood based dyes or iron/vinegar dye.

The logwood based dyes oxidize over time, especially when exposed to
sunlight eventually becoming brown in color. The iron/vinegar dye will
only work on oak tanned leather and not chrome tanned leather. You can
make the iron/vinegar by placing about half a pad of fine steel wool,
00 or 000, in a jar of vinegar and let it set for a couple weeks, the
steel wool will dissolve and settle out, but when you apply the
vinegar to the leather, the leather will turn black. Waxing and
buffing the exterior will help seal the finish, but is not used to
make the vessel watertight.

Originally the costrel would have been lined with pine pitch. This
however is a carcinogen so Bill uses a commercial thermoplastic used
by the brewing industry called "brewer's pitch" which looks the same
and is food-safe.  As brewer's pitch is not always easy to get, (Bill
gets it in 50 lb. bags) some people today will line the bottle with
beeswax as a modern expedient.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Tom A.