> If he wants to be a citizen and wants a toga,

He does want a toga, just for special occasions! We just can't find any
white wool for less than the cost of a new house :) Ok, I exaggerate.

Thanks everyone for the book suggestions. The guy WILL like his
Christmas present this year! He's on the SCA romans list too, but it's
not right to make him research his own Chrissie pressie.
:)
Rosie

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, SoldierGrrrl
<soldier.grrrl@...> wrote:

> My husband and I are relatively new to the SCA and are playing early
> 11th c. Byzantine, from Cappadocia.  We're slowly working toward
more
> period, starting with tentage.


Hi there

Have you seen Tim Dawsons Levantia website ?

http://www.levantia.com.au/

A fantastic resourcet by a man who is both an active re-enactor and
has a PHD in 11thC Byzantine dress.

Apart from the website, his publications are a goldmine of
information and practical advice on how to recreate the costume.

Pete - Guthroth

> Have you seen Tim Dawsons Levantia website ?
>
> http://www.levantia.com.au/
>

We have and I adore his site!

I've purchased several of his booklets, and other than an annoying
glitch between my ears regarding the placket construction on the men's
overtunic, I've been blown away.  Ioannes is making noises about new
boots from that site, as well.

:-)  Haven't gotten up the courage to wear the funky hat, though.

Helena Dalassene
--
Blonde.  It's not just a hair color; it's a way of life.

http://soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com/

Hmm... you can use white linen for summer. Off-white or white works,
and I believe minimum of 6 yards. I haven't had the chance to read all
the way through my books yet. (I just got them.) A toga is on my
project list, too, but one thing at a time! He needed a few more tunics
for starters. :) He can't sew and I'm it. :)

Contact Pendleton Woolen Mills. They WILL ship from the outlet store in
Washougal, WA. They don't have their bolt fabric listed on the
internet, though. I already asked the gal there if they'd sent bolt-cut
fabric via mail. The answer was yes, but you need to know what you
want. If they have it, they'll send it. Sometimes they do have a cream
wool there. It's soft stuff, like you'd use to make a neck scarf. It's
not the heavy coating stuff, though.

They often have summer weight blue wool gabardine that just makes
lovely garb.

http://www.pendleton-usa.com

Go to the store locator page and look for the information for
Washougal, WA. They should have a phone number, too. Their off the bolt
prices are anywhere from $3.99/yd to $10 depending on what kind of
wool.

Gemma Northwode
Antir
Barony of Stromgard
Vancouver, WA

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Folo Watkins <folo@...> wrote:
>
> This came over Revlist; I hadn't seen it mentioned on any more
> relevant list:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2008/03/03/AR2008030302422.html?
referrer=emailarticle
>

I saw the extant Magna Carta copy at Salisbury when I was there in
2002.  Definitely an "ooooh!" factor in seeing something *that* old!
The calligraphy was surprisingly tiny and even--more than anything, it
reminded me of a kind of type-face.  Which I supposed suited its
purpose, since it was a legal document.
Always thought it would be cool to have a peerage or award scroll done
that way....
--Maire

I finally finished an Elizabethan style bodice in black wool with a
linen lining and spiral lacing.  :)  Of course I had to take it in a
couple of inches as it ended up way to big.  It's still not a perfect
fit, but it's wool and linen and the lacing looks very spiffy.  I'm
happy with these baby steps.

Next up, wool sleeves to go with the bodice and a linen shift that is
part way done.  This should only take me a couple of years. :)

regards,

aliskye
Lyondemere, Caid

In case you havn't seen this, I just got it from another group I'm in.
see below.

Henrik of Havn, West Kingdom.

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NEWSLETTER FOR ARCHAEOLOGICAL TEXTILES. Ulla Mannering of the Centre
for Textile Research in Copenhagen sends this notice: As of 2008,
Archaeological Textiles Newsletter (ATN) is being published by the
newly established Friends of Archaeological Textiles Newsletter and
edited at the Centre for Textile Research. ATN is a twice-yearly
publication focusing on textiles found in archaeological contexts
dating from the prehistoric to the modern age. Geographically, ATN
concerns itself mainly with the Old World textiles (from Western
Europe to Japan) but New World textiles may be included if deemed
relevant. ATN began publication in 1985 to provide a medium for
discussion, interaction, and exchange of information between
archaeologists, conservators, historians, art historians, biologists,
chemists, geologists, and craftspeople who have archaeological
textiles at the core of their interests. Over the years, ATN has
moved from an informational service to become an important venue for
publication of important scientific articles. It also includes notes
and queries, reviews, resources, and conference and event
announcements. To subscribe, visit http://www.atnfriends.com . BAYEUX
TAPESTRY CONFERENCE. The British Museum is sponsoring a conference
called "The BT@ the BM: New Research on the Bayeux Tapestry" on July
15-16, 2008. The conference seeks to highlight recent and new
research on the Tapestry, and to disseminate those findings to a
wider audience, in the hope of furthering discussion, debate, and the
sharing of ideas about this unique textile. Conference fee is £10 for
one day or £15 for both days. For details, contact Dr. Michael Lewis,
Department of Portable Antiquities & Treasure, British Museum,
London, WC1B 3DG; e-mail mlewis@... ; tel: (0044)
020 7323 8611.

i was wondering if anyone had a patteren for a fan case and maybe the
documentation to go with it? i wanted to be able to do some needle
work on it. thanks
anna zen

Here's some more info on togas, and the nice photos ARE from one of
the books I have--but they're in black and white instead. I think
it's the Sebesta book. (Never mind the old guy waving his arm--no,
he's NOT in the books!)

The cutting diagram is taken from the Wilson book, which is the one I
mentioned you might want.

http://www.rotarydistrict7150.org/Toga.htm

Here's one sited from an older book, one out of print, no doubt, but
probably helpful if used with other sources.

http://www.romegiftshop.com/romantoga.html

This article is well-researched with photos of primary source stuff
on Roman dress and jewelry.

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html

Gemma Northwode

Here's a glossary of Latin terms for colors and clothing that is useful.

http://www.uky.edu/AS/Classics/jlsgloss.html

Gemma Northwode

And here's Sebesta's slide show of the stuff mentioned in her book:

http://www.uky.edu/AS/Classics/slides/selectshow.html

It's the Norma Goldman one.

This should help, too.

Gemma Northwode

In the Australian Parliament House there is a 1297 copy of the Magna
Carta by Edward I on permanent display.
Just like the one sold the other day.
See
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cutprice-parchment/2006/01/03/1136
050442558.html For a photo of the Australian one. And
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/pubs/occa_lect/flyers/171097.htm For
more details.

The Magna Carta is a live document in Australia and is still
occasionally called upon in our courts.
Whenever I am in the Parliament House (maybe once or twice a year) I
make a point of visiting it.
So if you happen to be visiting Politarchopolis in the Kingdom of
Lochac make sure you stop by and see it.
Cheers
John of the Hills

Greetings,

I am looking for some documentation about the practice of fostering offspring in
the early to high middle ages (unless there is evidence the practice continued
into the later middle ages????).
I understand the that the Irish and Scottish clans often fostered their
youngsters to relatives and other clans and kinsfolk until about the age of 14
but other than the idea of fostering showing up in stories and song, where else
might it be documented? Was fostering something the nobility did? Or did
peasants do it too? Other than tradition, what was the purpose of fostering
one's children to other families? How widespread was fostering? Any and all
suggestions on where to find data on the medieval practice of fostering
offspring would be helpful.

thank you,

ariadne

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I know that there is mention of fostered children in the Icelandic
sagas, but I'm not sure if there's any contemporary Viking-age mention
of them. There is also mention of the legal status of fostering in the
12th century Grágás ('grey-goose' laws.)

R. Chartrand et al. "The Vikings" (Osprey Publishing, 2006)
ISBN 1846030870
says:

Page 35
'Young children or adolescents could be sent to live in a separate
household. Such arrangements did not normally exceed the boundaries of
the clan, the most common form of fostering being to an uncle.'

Page 36
'In the household of their foster-parent, the duties of a young male
would be identical to those of a son by birth -- including training
for war.'

Peter Parkes "Fostering Fealty: A Comparative Analysis of Tributary
Allegiances of Adoptive Kinship" _Comparative Studies of Society and
History_  Volume 45, Issue 04, October 2003, pp 741-782
http://www.kent.ac.uk/anthropology/department/staff/parkes/Parkes2003.pdf

From page 753 onwards also mentions foster-children in Scandinavia,
but the article also seems full of information about other cultures too!
In fact, Parkes' staff webpage at the University of Kent has a few
articles about kinship, adoption and fostering that might be helpful:
http://www.kent.ac.uk/anthropology/department/staff/parkes.html

I hope this information is useful,
~Asfridhr
--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Natalie W." <equigal_99@...> wrote:
<<snip>>
> I am looking for some documentation about the practice of fostering
offspring in the early to high middle ages
<<snip>>

I am attempting my first time weaving on an inkle loom. My question it
exactly how am I suppose to attach the threads as I do the warp, I am
using cards? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

Catherine Vallemont

On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Natalie W. wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for some documentation about the practice of fostering
> offspring in the early to high middle ages (unless there is
> evidence the practice continued into the later middle ages????).
> I understand the that the Irish and Scottish clans often fostered
> their youngsters to relatives and other clans and kinsfolk until
> about the age of 14 but other than the idea of fostering showing up
> in stories and song, where else might it be documented? Was
> fostering something the nobility did? Or did peasants do it too?
> Other than tradition, what was the purpose of fostering one's
> children to other families? How widespread was fostering? Any and
> all suggestions on where to find data on the medieval practice of
> fostering offspring would be helpful.

I would be quite startled if there _weren't_ material on fosterage in
the medieval Irish law tracts.  I know that foster relationships get
mentioned regularly in the Irish annals.  Medieval Welsh annals and
similar historiographic material also mention fosterage
relationships, especially when they influenced political events.  The
common accusation in Wales was that men would be more loyal to their
foster brothers than to their blood-siblings -- and this building of
a network of loyalties seems to have been intended as a feature
rather than a bug.

Tangwystyl

I must agree with Tangwystyl here, (sorry if the spelling is incorrect, it's
very late and my Welsh is lamentably sad). Foster ties have often been said to
out last blood ties by many generations. Given time I can find references in
Irish literature.

Fionnuala

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I've been researching medieval children quite a bit lately. Here's a
great little book chapter on Child Centered Law in Medieval Ireland
that has quite a bit about fostering.
http://eprints.gla.ac.uk/3812/01/Child2-Centred_Law.pdf
My primary interest has been the material culture of children so I
was tickled to see that these laws require not only food, shelter and
clothing but that fostered children get toys too.

A couple of other good books about children in England are Medieval
Children by Nicholas Orme and Growing up in Medieval London by
Barbara Hanawalt. However, these use evidence mostly from the later
Middle Ages. I can't remember off the top of my head how much the
mention fosterage but these are the big names in perios research on
children.

When I was trying to research medieval adoption a useful book was The
kindness of strangers : the abandonment of children in Western Europe
from late antiquity to the Renaissance by John Boswell. Again, I
can't remember exact mentions of fosterage but the impression I got
was that a lot of children were raised by someone not their birth
parents.

Cheers,
Slaine

Does anyone have one and do you use it for events? If so did you build
it yourself? Do you have pics? What style did you choose? To put it
bluntly I'd love to see them and get all info available! :)

Thanks

Elsepth

Thanks for this an the other suggestions for documentation.

Based on your reading, does fostering occur throughout the classes or is it just
for nobility?

The info in Ireland seems to indicate fostering had a clan tradition in medieval
Eire, is that right?

thanks

ariadne

Another book by Barbara Hanawalt you might try is The Ties the Bind:
Peasant families in medieval England. I'd think that in an agrarian
economy children's work would be too valuable to a family to send them
away. Her Medieval London book spent a good bit of time talking about
apprenticeships which could maybe be a form of fosterage.

Part of the reason I stopped researching adoption is that record is so
messy and inconsistant through time and place. I didn't have the time
to devote to really getting into sources. (I have a good excuse too.
That's about when my daughter came into my life through adoption.)

I'm sorry I can't remember more specifics to answer your questions.

Slaine


--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Natalie W." <equigal_99@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for this an the other suggestions for documentation.
>
> Based on your reading, does fostering occur throughout the classes or
is it just for nobility?
>
> The info in Ireland seems to indicate fostering had a clan tradition
in medieval Eire, is that right?
>
> thanks
>
> ariadne
>

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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Shari" <shariakapaiten@...>
wrote:

> Does anyone have one and do you use it for events? If so did you
> build it yourself? Do you have pics? What style did you choose? To  > put it
bluntly I'd love to see them and get all info available! :)

I do not have one myself, but this is something you might want to
check out.  www.tumbleweedhouses.com  this fellow offers plans for
one called the Vardo.  Its a 40 sq. foot gypsy caravan.  Its no
longer featured on the website, I think you have to buy his book to
get the plans, but it is the first plan in the book.  Its quite
interesting and has some neat features.  I became interested in his
work for small green houseplans, and ran across the Vardo.  I don't
know how period it is, but its worth looking at.

Nicolas

I'm sorry to say I can't point you to any good resources, but I can
give you an anecdote; at an event several years ago in Meridies a
group of Roman re-enactors showed up for court in full legion armor
with their ladies following behind in woolen togas with veils, and all
of their children wearing togas and tunicas.  It was so unexpected and
brilliantly done, it actually made the hair on the back of my neck
stand up.

Nicolas

> I'm sorry to say I can't point you to any good resources, but I can
> give you an anecdote; at an event several years ago in Meridies a
> group of Roman re-enactors showed up for court in full legion armor
> with their ladies following behind in woolen togas with veils, and all
> of their children wearing togas and tunicas.  It was so unexpected and
> brilliantly done, it actually made the hair on the back of my neck
> stand up.
> Nicolas

My lord is doing Roman at the moment, and we've learned that only men
wore togas. They're really irritating things, so no one liked to wear
them. At one stage the emperor had to make a law to force the senators
to dress appropriately! Women wear a tunica or peplos, have the option
of a stolla (which they didn't like wearing either) and the obligatory
palla. The palla wasn't quite as long as a toga, it seems, but could be
worn like one. Mostly women would bring it up to cover their head
though, when they were out and about. I think women and children would
look a bit funny in togas, but the guys in armour must have looked
great!
Hope you don't mind my nitpicking, but Roman gear is very serious
business around here. My lord has taken to drinking grape juice, a la
Roman, and not just at events!
:)
Rosie

The Tumble weeds site is good for late 18th cntury to 20th century
Vardos, but for "perod" plans you would be best to look at a standard
Millitary central European Wagon. The Type with outrigger wheel
supports and cloth cover (not too distant from the Conastoga wagon of
the American early west).

Maks

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Roman is far from my period I do 15th and 16th century, and I am unfamiliar with
the proper terms for the garments and can only tell you what they looked like.

I've been rather obsessed with this for several years now.

Try this site:

http://www.enslin.com/rae/gypsy/camps.htm

Or, I can build you one. You'd have to provide the metal trailer , but
I can take it from there.

Good luck.

Christopher

I'm kind of
> jaded, but I'm a big fan of 14th century
> duds.??There is so much information available from
> extant finds and illuminations that patterns aren't
> terribly difficult to obtain......or, if you aren't
> into making things yourself, there are several good
> merchants that sell clothing and accessories from
> that time period.
>
> Jantien de Groet
>

If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track
this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something?

I am merchant and while I am in the business of
selling things things to the SCA, it is not my only
reason for being in SCA. That said, I still need to
make a living. Which has to do with my question:

I had an idea for a product that is essentially a
research help - or at least, that is the concept. I
found myself wondering that since many of us use
period paintings and illuminations in our research,
would having a large number of such images in one
place be useful? For example, if you wanted to make
15th c. Italian shoes, would a collection of images
from the 15th c. that had accompanying text that let
you know which ones were from Italy so you could
easily view a large number of images by 15th c.
Italians showed shoes be useful?

In essence, it would be a series of CD-ROMs with
images that were sorted by what was shown in them
(men's clothing, women's clothing, jewelry, armor,
shoes, household goods, furniture, musical
instruments, etc.).

I want to do this project, because I think it would be
useful, but, it requires a monetary investment to
acquire the legal right to reproduce certain images.
So I would have to charge for the CDs because I simply
could not afford to create them otherwise. (Granted, I
would not charge a lot - maybe $4-$5 a CD-ROM).

I suppose why I am posting this is: Am I off base? Is
this a crazy idea or a truly useful one? Should I
scrap it now before I invest the time (to find,
categorize, and sort the images) and money to creat
these?

I'm asking this list because SCAdians like yourselves
would, frankly, be a target market for such an idea,
since it is aimed at helping the re-enactor visually
reverence period items.

Thanks for letting me ask this,
Leofwynn Marchaunt
(mka Rebecca Klingbeil)

To read this Life of the Day complete with a picture of the subject, visit
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2008-03-22

Higden,  Ranulf  (d. 1364), Benedictine monk and chronicler, appears to have
been a Cheshire man, although little is known about his life. According to a
colophon in one copy of his chronicle  (Bodl. Oxf., MS Laud misc. 619) he
entered the abbey of St Werburgh, Chester, in 1299... (clink on link for the
rest of his story and a picture of him)

I've been parusing that site alot lately as well, and I love the sites it gives.
So many wonderful caravans to look at. I can't wait to get going on it!

   Elspeth

ren_junkie <ren_junkie@...> wrote:
           I've been rather obsessed with this for several years now.

Try this site:

http://www.enslin.com/rae/gypsy/camps.htm

Or, I can build you one. You'd have to provide the metal trailer , but
I can take it from there.

Good luck.

Christopher








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