As a heads-up FYI to anyone who wants to dye leather [apologies for
cross-posting], http://labricoleuse.livejournal.com/tag/leatherworking
has a 7/20/07 posting that says that Tandy is phasing out solvent-based
dyes on a national level because of bans in CA and CT.  Blogger also
says keep an eye out as she is testing the water based alternatives.

Eydís Gunnarsdóttir

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My lady has asked me to reproduce her family's historic escutcheon.

Are there any good sources for reproducing medieval shields (wood,
linen, etc)?

And even more challenging, any resources for creating the silver
background upon which to place her Roses of Lancaster?


Rising to the Challenge,

serf_number6@...

At 1:41 PM -0700 on 8/9/07, Karen Isaacson wrote:

>As a heads-up FYI to anyone who wants to dye leather [apologies for
>cross-posting], http://labricoleuse.livejournal.com/tag/leatherworking
>has a 7/20/07 posting that says that Tandy is phasing out solvent-based
>dyes on a national level because of bans in CA and CT.  Blogger also
>says keep an eye out as she is testing the water based alternatives.
>
>Eydís Gunnarsdóttir

Well, damn! If this is true, I'm really miffed. I
don't use anything but oil-based dyes as the
alcohol- and water-based ones have never worked
well for me at all. They rub off on everything,
color saturation is mediocre at best (and only at
the beginning before the dye has worn away), and
the surface always turns out mottled for me.
Oil-based dyes have always worked beautifully for
me. No shedding of color, little to no mottling,
and good, rich color. The EcoFlo line of dyes
better be the absolute bees knees or Tandy will
have lost a great deal of my money.
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    ______________________________________________________
    "..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."

    "Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
    of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
    women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"

    "..No."

    "Why am I the only person that has that dream?"

                                     -Real Genius

I regularly see solvent-based dyes listed on EBay and I'm sure other
companies will respond differently depending on their philosophy about
the dyes' ingredients - some will have a blanket drop of the product,
and some will say 'no shipping to ___".  You see this regularly with
plants that are regulated by the potential destination state...

Eydís

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>...Tandy is phasing out solvent-based
> >dyes on a national level because of bans in CA and CT.

I knew newspapers long ago switched to soy-based inks because of
environmental issues. No idea if soy-based dyes are possible for
leather?

There are leather suppliers for bookbinders worldwide who might be of
help if Tandy doesn't come through.

I would like to apologize to anyone on this list who went to Vlad's
to bid on me. Due to an unfortunate misunderstanding with a few of
Vlad's minions, I was unable to participate as I'd planned. I did
manage to meet with one potential buyer to do her project, so some
good came of it all. Besides, with the rate that many events were
canceled, the odds where good anything I'd have been "bought" for
would have not happened anyway.

I will try to go up for sale again next year.  Again, my humblest
apologies to those who came to bid on me to take photos.

As for the Pennsic War calendars, many people asked to wait and order
them online. With the terrible heat, humidity and heavy downpours, I
understood the reluctance to buy a paper product on site.

I have set up an ebay store where those interested may purchase their
calendars.

See: http://stores.ebay.com/Darters-Depot

Thank you,
Darter

Hi all,
I'm looking for resources on 13th century pattens - I dearly love my
turnshoes but when I put a hole in the sole after just a handful of
wearings, I decided to reserve them for indoor use until I can acquire
myself a set of pattens.  And lately I've decided that it would be a fun
adventure to make said pattens myself.  (Being fully aware that this means I
may well be wearing my turnshoes only indoors for quite a while yet.)  I had
a look at our copy of Shoes & Pattens last night and there's only one 13th
century example listed.  I'd love to hear what other resources there are out
there; pattens simply don't show up in the 13th century iconography I'm
familiar with.

Thanks,
Alianor de Ravenglas

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Did you try checking with the 13th century garb list? They might have
more info in the archives.

Gemma Northwode

At 10:01 AM +0000 on 8/9/07, Rosie (aka Nawojka) wrote:

>My cousin is called Maciej, and it's always been pronounced as Matchie.
>So my guess would be Matchiovski.

As I understand it, it's Mah-chaiy-YOV-sky. My problem is that now I
know how to pronounce it, I can never remember how to spell it!
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    ______________________________________________________
    "..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."

    "Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
    of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
    women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"

    "..No."

    "Why am I the only person that has that dream?"

                                     -Real Genius

On 8/16/07, Michael Hurley <mephit@...> wrote:
>
> As I understand it, it's Mah-chaiy-YOV-sky. My problem is that now I
> know how to pronounce it, I can never remember how to spell it!


I heard the best name for it at Pennsic:  The Mispronounski Bible.  ;^)

Alianor

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Hello,

I just started on a pattan project. The turn-shoes I made were from
left over leather from another thing, so they are really thin.
I'm tring a 15th century though.

post some pics (I will if I ever get more leather for the straps)

~Galmr~

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hurley <mephit@...> wrote:
>
> At 10:01 AM +0000 on 8/9/07, Rosie (aka Nawojka) wrote:
>
> >My cousin is called Maciej, and it's always been pronounced as Matchie.
> >So my guess would be Matchiovski.
>
> As I understand it, it's Mah-chaiy-YOV-sky. My problem is that now I
> know how to pronounce it, I can never remember how to spell it!
> --
>                                     Auf wiedersehen!
> 				 Michael
>    ______________________________________________________
I've read that there are about 5 different ways to pronounce the name.
  I know people that prefer to pronounce it as the Mispronounski Bible. ;)

Alcyoneus

At 8:26 AM -0400 on 8/16/07, Sarah Michele Ford wrote:

>On 8/16/07, Michael Hurley <mephit@...> wrote:
>>
>>  As I understand it, it's Mah-chaiy-YOV-sky. My problem is that now I
>>  know how to pronounce it, I can never remember how to spell it!
>
>I heard the best name for it at Pennsic:  The Mispronounski Bible.  ;^)

It's also known as the Morgan Bible which is so much easier to remember!
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					 Michael
    ______________________________________________________
    "..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."

    "Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
    of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
    women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"

    "..No."

    "Why am I the only person that has that dream?"

                                     -Real Genius

This was posted in another Yahoo group.

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Another change they are making may affect Group Members who seldom
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If you are not an active participant in Yahoo Groups and wish to keep
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Quoting Amy <amyheilveil@...>:

> This was posted in another Yahoo group.
>
>
> If you are not an active participant in Yahoo Groups and wish to keep
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Actually, they're only purging bouncing members at this time.

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Susan Farmer wrote:
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Do you know what they are doing with bouncing List Owners? Or more
specifically, the lists that they own?

Samia in Northshield

I just lurk and learn, but dont want to be deleted, so I am checking
in.
Anna

Name of Event:  Treasures on the Tides (TnT 13F)
Date(s) of Event:  October 26-28, 2007
Hosting Group:  Barony of Bright Hills

It is the year 1587; many of the Crowns of Europe are busily
squabbling over an island nation and its single Queen leaving
Atlantia the rest of the oceans free for the taking! The Barony of
Bright Hills sends out a call to all in the land for crews to take up
their oars on this mighty quest in gathering the treasures of
Atlantia on the tides for the Crown.

This event will have a quest with crews of one fighter, one fencer,
an archer, an artisan, at least one child, and one newcomer if
possible. Crews shall have to hunt for the various Kingdom level
awards and complete a task, questions or a puzzle for a token to be
used at the end to determine the winners.  Along with the quest
competitions, we will hold challenges to help determine the Barony of
Bright Hills newest champions, information on the competitions will
be posted aT a later date. A lunch will be included on Saturday,
included in the event fee and for those inclined a feast will be
provided by Their Ladyships Órlaith Carey and Tirzah MacCrudden.
There will also be a children's Halloween party held during feast. We
encourage all parents to bring their child and allow them to dress up
in their costumes and all adults to bring treats for the children to
collect in the hall that evening. On Friday night there will be a
spaghetti dinner and Saturday morning a continental breakfast for a
suggested donation of $2.00 each per person.

Site information:
The site is discreetly wet, meaning no original containers and all
bottles and trash must be taken with you when you leave. The camp
boasts a hall with a fireplace for gathering and feast as well as
three heated cabins (two with showers). We shall have a family dorm
as well as a party dorm for campers to use.

Martial Activities:  We will have competitions through the quest for
both heavy and light weapons. We will also hold competitions to
determine the new champions heavy, light and archery champions of
Bright Hills.

Arts & Sciences Activities: TO BE ANN0UNCED SHORTLY BUT TO INCLUDE
BARONIAL BREWER!

Cost: Adult, Member: $8.00 Day-Trip $6.00 Feast $8.00 Camping
Adult, Non-Member: $11.00 Day-Trip $6.00 Feast $8.00 Camping
Youth (6-17): $4.00 Day-Trip $3.00 Feast $3.00 Camping
Child (0-5):                 $0.00 Day-Trip $0.00 Feast $0.00 Camping

Make Checks Payable To:  Barony of Bright Hills, SCA, Inc.

Cost Notes:  Please note on your checks the member names and numbers
of those paid for. All reservations are to be sent to Baroness Roana
de Laci.

Site:  Harford County 4H Camp at the Rocks. This site has heated
dormatories for camping with showers and bathrooms. Bunkbeds will
have mattresses all other bedding must be brought in.

Site Restrictions:  No original containers, trash must be taken with
you when you leave site, cigarettes must be field stripped.

Feast Information:

Merchanting Information:  Merchants are always welcome! We shall have
plenty of space for pavilions, as well as a covered structure. If
there are weather issues we will have merchanting in the main hall
but request that the merchants be broken down by 5:30 pm. We are
asking for a donation towards the prizes of the day from each of our
merchants. Please contact the Merchant coordinator, Lady Livi to
reserve a space her e-mail address is as follows AbramsonSM@...

Other Information:

Autocrat's Information:  Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt (Danielle Scott),
135 Riverthorn Rd, Baltimore, MD 21220,  Phone: (443) 823-5498, E-
mail: ladydanielabh@...

Reservations:  Baroness Roana de Laci (Lynn Hunter), 7669 Fairbanks
Court , Hanover , MD 21076,  Phone: (410) 519-7229, E-mail:
Ladyro@...

Directions:  Directions: I-95, Exit 77B to MD 24, Continue North on
MD24 past Harford Mall on to the Route 1 Bypass North; yield right
off the Bypass at Rock Spring Road (which is MD 24, North) going
towards Forest Hill. Stay on Rock Spring Road for approximately 6
miles. Turn right onto the bridge at Cherry Hill Road. After crossing
the Deer Creek, make an immediate left into the camp.

Special Note: The Cherry Hill Road Bridge over the Deer Creek has a
limit of 15 tons gross weight. Use the alternate directions for buses
and trucks that are over the weight limit for the bridge. I-95, Exit
77B to MD 24, Continue North on MD24 past Harford Mall on to the
Route 1 Bypass North; yield right off the Bypass at Rock Spring Road
(which is MD 24, North) going towards Forest Hill. Stay on Rock
Spring Road; go through Forest Hill for approximately 3.5 miles. Turn
right on Grier Nursery Road. Continue on Grier Nursery Road for about
3.5 miles. Turn left on Cherry Hill Road. Continue on Cherry Hill
Road for approximately 1 mile then turn right into the camp just
before the bridge.

For additional directions use: Map Quest or Maps on Us. The Camp is
located at 8 Cherry Hill Road, Street, Maryland

***
Thank you for your gracious attention!

Baroness Roana de Laci

Well, I usually just lurk as well, but a friend posted this question
to another group and I am sending it out to all of my costuming
related groups to see what info we can get.  Warning, this deals with
post period material but does hit the question I have always been
puzzled by, why is it that women fluctuated between underpinned and
un-underpinned over the ages.  Aren't we the ones who accept fashion
and it's fickle ways to begin with?

So, my friend's question:

I am looking for someone who has either a good background in historic
costuming or a good book on historic costuming.  I have a question
about later period hoopskirts.  Can anyone help me with the question
below?

I have read that spring crinolines or hoopskirts were invented in 1854
allowing women to wear fewer petticoats than before.  I know that
Elizabethans wore hoopskirts or farthingales made from either stiff
rope or reeds to hold the shape of the skirts.  Why was this method
not continued in the 1800's?

-Lady Catriona inghean Ghiricc
House Lions Keep
Barony of Bright Hills
Kingdom of Atlantia

Thank you for whatever expertise you may be able to apply in answering
the question.  I know from doing reconstruction era clothing that
corded petticoats were used by those with lesser incomes or more work
to do then was practical in large hoops...
Thanks in advance,
Lady Faye de Trees

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I used to work/make women's clothes from 1850 to 1900, and all I can
really tell you is that it was more modern..women hae always wanted
to newest and latest thing..with the industrial age it was probably
cheaper to buy steel than to have someone make the reed pieces and
it would have lasted longer.

Angela Yau wrote:

>I have read that spring crinolines or hoopskirts were invented in 1854
>allowing women to wear fewer petticoats than before.  I know that
>Elizabethans wore hoopskirts or farthingales made from either stiff
>rope or reeds to hold the shape of the skirts.  Why was this method
>not continued in the 1800's?
>
>


Um... because it had gone out of style 200 years earlier and everyone
had forgotten about it?

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"Henry" in the flesh...He certainly looks the part.
www.HenryTudor.co.uk

A long distance friend of mine asked me to help with a wedding for her
friend. The lady wishes to have a "renaissance" themed wedding. No
particulars, everyone is responsible for their own interpratation and
construction of garments. (I want PICS!)
My friend knows the "general public veiw" gist of 16th century garb,
but her hubby catagorically refused to look "too swishy" (we had a
whole different conversation about that!)
He wants to be a "Viking".
Soooo, my task for all the experts here: Can you guide me to
sites/patterns/ etc for early or late ren Swedish/ Viking stuff for
both of them? (she wants to match)
IS there such a thing as a renaissance Viking? I'm just thinking it
would be anything from 1450 to 1600, as long as the geographical area
is correct. I may be WAAAY off...
My interest is Tudor court era 1520 onwards, so Im a bit stumped. I
need to provide sketches for her. She asked for MANY drawings so she
can hand out a packet to the wedding guests a few weeks in advance. I
have some English, Spanish and Italian stuff already in the mail to
her.
Thanks in advance,
Anna

--- Adele de Maisieres <ladyadele@...>
wrote:

> Angela Yau wrote:
>
> >I have read that spring crinolines or hoopskirts
> were invented in 1854
> >allowing women to wear fewer petticoats than
> before.  I know that
> >Elizabethans wore hoopskirts or farthingales made
> from either stiff
> >rope or reeds to hold the shape of the skirts.  Why
> was this method
> >not continued in the 1800's?
> >
> >
>
>
> Um... because it had gone out of style 200 years
> earlier and everyone
> had forgotten about it?
>
> --
> Adele de Maisieres

There have been three hoop skirted periods, the
sixteenth century, the eighteenth century, and the
nineteenth century.
They each solved differently the problem of stiffened
petticoats/skirts to hold dress skirts out and away
from the body and legs.
The shapes, proportions, materials all changed.

Probably the simplest source to see this information
is Norah Waugh's classic Corsets and Crinolines.

Ann in CT


      
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Good day fellow SCAdians!

I am new to the group so I thought I would send out my introduction. To the
SCA, I am Marion Bowyere, a mid-14th-century Englishwoman living in Calais,
France. Mundanely, I am Krista, a 24-year-old recent college graduate from
Ohio. I was with the Shire of Rivenvale in Youngstown, OH while attending
graduate school for the past two years, but am now currently in limbo
without a local group.

I joined this group because I thought it would be great to learn from others
who are working towards a more historically accurate SCA. I tend to view my
role in the SCA like Civil War reenactors would approach their time period
and interpretation.

Nice to meet you all!
Krista (Marion)

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Krista Wagner <wagnerkrista@...> wrote: << I am new to the group so I
thought I would send out my introduction. To the SCA, I am Marion Bowyere, a
mid-14th-century Englishwoman living in Calais, France. Mundanely, I am Krista,
a 24-year-old recent college graduate from Ohio. I was with the Shire of
Rivenvale in Youngstown, OH while attending graduate school for the past two
years, but am now currently in limbo
without a local group.>>


   Welcome, m'lady!
   And where might you be residing at the present time?  (In case one of us here
present might be able to connect you to a local group).



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velvetclad <velvetclad@...> wrote: << "Henry" in the flesh...He certainly
looks the part.  www.HenryTudor.co.uk  >>


   What a fabulous site!  My 16yo daughter was fascinated, as that is the time
period for her persona.  Thanks for posting the link.


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