At 12:57 PM 7/20/2007, Christina wrote:
>here's a 16h century one:
>http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Eygentliche_Beschreibung_Aller_St%C3%4nde_auff_Er\
den:Der_Hafner
>
>
>A Greek wheel, an Egyptian one, and reconstructions of a Roman and a
>Meedieval one (basically the same type as in the woodcut from the
>Ständebuch).

I could not find then from the link... it gave an
empty page. What were your search words? (My German is a bit rusty)

Beth

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Janis James <seja02@...> wrote:
>
>
> They are period for Norse as well. Linen squares with beads on
thecorners to cover jugs and bowls in the larder. Sine in Tir Righ
>

COMMENT:
Where can I find documentation on this?  If it is period, it would be
a great feast token to give out at our next summer event.

Thorbjorn Skullsplitter
AKA "Thunderbunny"

--- Robert Van Rens <rvanrens@...> wrote:
> >From: Park McKellop <squire009@...>
> >
> >pet theory about one possible purpose
> behind the fashion of long
> >belts shown in effigies, etc.  By having them so
> long, they could double as
> >replacements parts for guige straps, horse harness,
> etc.
> >
> >Alcyoneus
>
> Or, maybe it was just a fashion statement...what
> evidence do you have to suggest the replacement
> theory?
>
> Eadric the Potter

I'd go with the fashion statement, myself; a bit of
belt hanging down from the buckle leads to long and
super long belts.

After all, you can see it elsewhere in various
directions [All Dates from Memory only]:
a bit of a point of a square hood on a head leads to
the liripipe;
a moderately loose sleeve starts tightening and leads
to a skin-tight buttoned fit (mid 13th century,
France-ish);
ditto moderate-to-tight trend on body garments, cotes,
to a very close fit that needed lacing or other
fastenings (mid-late 13th c France-ish);
a somewhat generous overdress/cote layer becomes more
generous and eventually the full blown houpelande,
with much fabric at collar, body, sleeves, etc.
(height c. 1410-30).

I'm sure there are examples in architecture, pottery,
wherever some aspect of any craft is not strictly tied
to utility, flights of fancy can come into play. :)

Ann in CT


      
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My thoughts re long belts are based upon years of wearing them at
events and also being a kilt-wearing Scot. When I wear my loose Monk's
Robe it tangles about my legs if I have to perform anything close to an
athletic move (going up stairs, etc.). When I wear my kilt(s) my
sporran acts as an "alignment" and "separating" device; therefore
making movement easier and safer. This is the same effect I get from
wearing my long, heavy belt. I have noticed that most of the long belts
in effigy and illustration are at least lightly adorned with placards,
rondels, tips, rivets, etc.. I believe that these are to make the belts
even heavier. The heavier the belt end, the more it separates the
fabric freeing up your legs and the less likely it is to work through
the buckle-knot. While not very scholarly in nature my theory is based
upon "Living in the Current Middle Ages".
YIS
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>My thoughts re long belts are based upon years of wearing them at
>events and also being a kilt-wearing Scot.

I thought--but never researched it since it lies waaaayy outside my
impression--that by the time that Scots wore kilts, the long dangly belts
were out of fashion. Comments from more knowledgable folk.

Folo

--- Folo Watkins <folo@...> wrote:

>
> >My thoughts re long belts are based upon years of
> wearing them at
> >events and also being a kilt-wearing Scot.
>
> I thought--but never researched it since it lies
> waaaayy outside my impression--that by the time that
> Scots wore kilts, the long dangly belts
> were out of fashion. Comments from more knowledgable
> folk.
>
> Folo

He mentioned the sporran served the same function, in
his experience of dealing with much cloth about the
legs.

I've never had all the much trouble with masses of
cloth being entirely awkward around my legs, but
everyone deals differently.  When wearing my long
belt, I tend to tuck the tongue off to my side, and
let my skirts deal with themselves.

Ann in CT


      
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>He mentioned the sporran served the same function, in
>his experience of dealing with much cloth about the
>legs.

Oh! I misunderstood. I thought that he was saying that he was wearing the
sporran with a long belt and that the sporran made it more easy to move
than with the belt alone. The picture in my head was slightly askew. Thanks
for clearing that up for me (and it's too late in the day to say I was
sleep-addled...)

Folo

> I'd go with the fashion statement, myself; a bit of
> belt hanging down from the buckle leads to long and
> super long belts.

Yep, though sometimes practicalilty can come from an absurd fashion
after;) I do late 16thC "German" specifically that near Cleves. In
many German states at this time there seems to be a fashion of a
really long narrow belt with your purse hanging off the end near your
ankles. Now some wear it to the side front, some further to the back.
And from experience the silly fashion does offer some practicality.
Firstly it's that much harder for someone to nick off with your purse
unless they can cut through leather and you not notice or they manage
to lurk at foot level. Secondly it keeps all your little but heavy
items out of the way (there was also a fashion for carrying a cutlery
case with the pouch.) Wearing the ends at ide back also seems to keep
the purse from tripping you up or banging and twisting around.

I doubt they were worn that way for practicality initially though.
Pobably more a case of working with what you have.

Willemyne van Nymegen
http://glittersweet.com

Greetings all,

   My SCA-tolerant husband (follows me around to events because it's better than
staying home alone) has recently taken an interest in archery.  Our local shire
has been discussing the feasability of building an archery range and now my
husband (who does not attend Shire meetings due to his job) asks me (who knows
nothing about archery) where he can get "a real wooden longbow."  He's 6'2"
tall, with a 31 inch draw -- he was measured at a sporting goods store.

   Loathe to discourage ANY interest in things SCA, I promised I would ask on
this list before he blindly orders something from the internet.

   Thanks in advance.


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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Ceindrych merch Riacat
<ceindrych600@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
>   My SCA-tolerant husband (follows me around to events because it's
better than staying home alone) has recently taken an interest in
archery.  Our local shire has been discussing the feasability of
building an archery range and now my husband (who does not attend
Shire meetings due to his job) asks me (who knows nothing about
archery) where he can get "a real wooden longbow."  He's 6'2" tall,
with a 31 inch draw -- he was measured at a sporting goods store.


I have heard excellent things about Steve Ralphs:
http://www.steveralphs.com/web2.html

Jehanne de Wodeford

wodeford <wodeford@...> wrote:
   <<I have heard excellent things about Steve Ralphs:
http://www.steveralphs.com/web2.html >>


   Thanks m'lady,
   Nice bows, and accessories, but we're in the US.  Sorry, I should have said
that in my original post.


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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Ceindrych merch Riacat
<ceindrych600@...> wrote:

>   Thanks m'lady,
>   Nice bows, and accessories, but we're in the US.  Sorry, I should
have said that in my original post.

So are all the people I know who shoot bows by Mr. Ralphs. You did say
he wanted a real wood longbow. Most of the "longbows" one sees in the
SCA are fiberglass laminate flatbows that do not have the true longbow
"D" shape. In fact, I own a very nice Martin Mountaineer flatbow and
would recommend a Martin production bow if that's what he's looking for.

Jehanne de Wodeford
West

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Beth and Bob Matney
<bmatney@...> wrote:
>
> At 12:57 PM 7/20/2007, Christina wrote:
> >here's a 16h century one:
> >http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Eygentliche_Beschreibung_Aller_St%C3%
4nde_auff_Erden:Der_Hafner
> >
> >
> >A Greek wheel, an Egyptian one, and reconstructions of a Roman and
a
> >Meedieval one (basically the same type as in the woodcut from the
> >Ständebuch).
>
> I could not find then from the link... it gave an
> empty page. What were your search words? (My German is a bit rusty)
>
> Beth
>

Go to
http://de.wikisource.org
then search for
Ständebuch
which should take you to
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/St%C3%A4ndebuch
then click
Der Hafner
(third column, 6th from bottom)

Best regards,

Christina

I don't know if they are any good, but I've been eyeing these as a
gift for my hubby
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-custom-Striped-Wolf-long-bow-longbow-osage-walnut_W0QQit\
emZ160140958906QQihZ006QQcategoryZ20840QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Ceindrych merch Riacat
<ceindrych600@...> wrote:

>   My SCA-tolerant husband (follows me around to events because it's
better than staying home alone) has recently taken an interest in
archery.  Our local shire has been discussing the feasability of
building an archery range and now my husband (who does not attend
Shire meetings due to his job) asks me (who knows nothing about
archery) where he can get "a real wooden longbow."

Try this guy.  I have a couple of his and they are nice.

http://www.woodbows.com/

Greetings to the list.  I've recently added a new weekly feature to my
blog: short reviews of my favorite reference books.  This week's item
is _Eating and Drinking in Roman Britain_ by H.E.M. Cool:
http://tregwernin.blogspot.com/2007/07/reference-book-of-
week_24.html .  Comments are welcome.

-Guernen
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Medieval Welsh storytelling for the modern world:
http://tregwernin.blogspot.com/

Thank you for all the replies.  I will pass on the info from all the longbow
sites to my husband.


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Greetings!

We have purchased several bows from woodbows.com and have been very
satisfied with them.  They are at least four years old and still
going strong.  It is a small family run business.  We are very happy
customers.

Patricia

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Benton" <spearweasel@...> wrote:

This project has been opened up to all SCAdians. If you are interested
in being listed, please contact me!

Humbly,

Kamaitachi no Kansuke, aka "Spearweasel"

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Benton" <spearweasel@> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> My name is Kamaitachi no Kansuke, known to some as "Spearweasel". I can
> be found in the Barony of Bryn-Gwlad. I am interested in gathering
> names, locations, and contact information from Ansteorrans playing
> personae that hail from East Asia: China, Japan, Korea, or various
> Central Asian groups - Mongol, Uighur, and so forth. You may think of
> this as a crude census if you like, so that all of us can get a
> clearer picture of how many such players are actually out there. I
> have already placed a website online, at the URL below:
>
> http://www.brassbricks.com/sca/east_asian_personae_main.htm
>
> Because there are already plenty of email groups in existence, this
> will not be used in that capacity. It will primarily be used to foster
> a sense of community and solidarity among its members, and to share
> our particular experiences and expertises. In my experience, there are
> many more of us out there than most are aware of, but there has been
> seemingly little concerted effort to bring everyone together in one
> place. It is my fondest wish that this project will help in some
> minute way. If you are interested, please provide me with the
> following information.
>
> Persona Name and Titles
> Mundane Name
> Location (SCA or Mundane)
> Brief Persona Background (nationality, origin, et cetera)
> Email Address (or other preferred contact method)
>
> If you have pictures, or a website that you'd like linked to, please
> include those as well. I have not decided on a format for individual
> entries yet, as that will depend largely on the sort of response I
> get. Finally, I ask that you pass this message along to other email
> lists or communities that you think might be interested.
>
> Please contact me at your convenience at spearweasel@
>
> Humbly,
> Kamaitachi no Kansuke
> aka "Spearweasel"
>

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No endorsements, I haven't had time to look it over, buyer beware and all
that, but a note just came in over the 18 century Women's list that this
site just opened: http://reenactorclassifieds.homestead.com/page04.html. It
says it caters to anything history related.

Cheers, Folo

Is anyone aware of uses for horsehair tassels for garb or decoration?

Eydís Gunnarsdóttir

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kareni@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of uses for horsehair tassels for garb or decoration?

Wanna narrow that down by culture and period at all? ;-D

Horsehair was used to ornament Japanese helmets in our period. IIRC,
16th century warlord Takeda Shingen was known for the red "mane" on
his kabuto (helmet), while menpo (face armor) frequently sports false
moustaches or beards such as this:
http://www.gallerykanaya.com/img/yoroi-menpo-yoko.JPG

Jehanne de Wodeford
West

Horse hair tassels were also used on Mongolian and Turkic "tughs". If
you're familiar with the Roman legions with the staffs that bore the
emblems of the legion...that's kind of what a tugh is for the Mongols
and Turkic tribes.

Jibra'il.

I thought I would send out a quick message to the lists letting
people know the Pennsic Calendars for 2007-08 will be available again
at Pennsic this year; as well as letting everyone know I will be on
the auction block again at Vlad's Slave Auction.

I have incorporated many of the best suggestions into this years'
product. So far, the few people who've seen the new calendar like it
a LOT better than last years'.

Last year, no one knew where to FIND them at Pennsic. This year, you
can find them for sale at Mystic Mail, merchant booth #181 near the
food court. The ONLY internet café, I hope it will be easier to find.
You may also find them at a few other locations as well. I also made
a lot less of them than last year.

These seemed to be bought, not only for personal or office use, but
also as gifts for Christmas and friends. In fact, I know of at least
a few people who're going to this event for the first time because of
either receiving the calendar, or seeing it on display somewhere. I
think that is kind of cool.

Also, I will be on the block again this year, at Vlad's Slave
Auction. This will be the third year, and I hope I get bought to
shoot as interesting an event as the last two.

See Pennsic 34: http://www.pbase.com/darter02/p34_012

See Pennsic 35: http://www.pbase.com/darter02/p35_09

The deal is, you buy me to do a shoot. There are some caveats of
course. I do have some events pre-booked to shoot during the war, so
it cannot be something that would conflict with my schedule. I am
flexible though, and will try to mingle with buyers before I am sold,
to work out details and see who's interested. As far as subject
matter, I will shoot ANYTHING you want me to.

Until THEN!
Darter the Chronicler, moderator of The Vulgar Unicorn http://pnet-
refugees.tribe.net/

Have you looked over the stuff on www.godecookery.com?

There's lots of recipes there, and most are already redacted.

Gemma Northwode
Antir
Barony of Stromgard

One more before I leave for Pennsic: The Iron Age in Northern Britain:
Celts and Romans, Natives and Invaders.

http://tregwernin.blogspot.com/2007/07/reference-book-of-week_30.html

-Guernen
---------------------------
Medieval Welsh storytelling for the modern world.
http://tregwernin.blogspot.com/

So...

I was out at my dad's place this past weekend, helping him clear some
stuff out of the attic which used to be at my grandparent's place.
One of the things I came across was a cookbook of my grandmother's.
It's probably from around the turn of the century (I honestly didn't
look for a publication date), but it is the text of a Polish cookbook,
from the area of Silesia, which was written in 1553.

While dad could wade through the Polish, and I could spend hours with
a dictionary, I figured there might be folks out there with more
knowledge and experience with recipe redaction who would be interested
(me, I just want the recipe's when they're done).  The book is a
family heirloom for me, so I want it to remain in my possession, but
if someone were honestly willing to put the work in, I will photograph
every page, burn it to CD and send it to you (it's too fragile to
force the pages flat to a scanner bed).

Isabeau

My apologies if this has been covered recently, I have been very out
of touch....
Has this been posted anywhere yet? I haven't seen advertisements for
it and a quick google didn't reveal any info....
I know there wasn't a bid until very late last year, so I was just
wonderin'.
Toujours a vos ordres,
Margaret Hepburn

>Isabeau wrote:
>
>[snip] The book is a
>family heirloom for me, so I want it to remain in my possession, but
>if someone were honestly willing to put the work in, I will photograph
>every page, burn it to CD and send it to you (it's too fragile to
>force the pages flat to a scanner bed).

Oh, I hope that someone takes you up on this offer, and then makes
the recipes available!  I loved the Polish cooking my dad and Nanna
did, but never learned any Polish myself, and it would be interesting
to see how Polish food changed between the 16th century and what was
cooked when my family left Poland a couple of generations back.

--Kareina

What i would like is a recipe for the bohemia bread dumplings...yumm

Tangwystel