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>
> I just thought this might be interesting to some on this list.Thank
> you.                       Johanna
>
> In conjunction with the upcoming Known World Heraldic and Scribal
> Symposium in Caid, we are proud to include a workshop by Sylvana
> Barrett. She teaches the painting techniques used in medieval and
> Renaissance Europe, which is to say, egg tempera made with powdered
> pigments, and gold leafing.


It sounds like a wonderful class! Sadly, the event is on the same week
as the Lilies War in Calontir. My family looks forward to camping at
Lilies every year. Wish the class had been at another time, I would
have eagerly signed up. I do hope you get the people you need and that
the class goes well!

Catalina

On 11/05/07, Julie Stackable <malvoisine@...> wrote:
> Wiki said 'A dillybag or dilly bag is
> a traditional woven bag, original to Australian Aboriginals. It is used
> for a variety of food transportation and preparation purposes.

Dillybag is used in modern australian to mean bag for transporting
eating utensils.  They are almost always a piece of  fabric folded in
half and sewn into a flat bag with a drawstring top.  I encountered
this useage in girl guides, and I think boy scouts use it too.
Considering how many australians or their parents were in these
organisations, this could account for a large percentage of the
population using this term.

Rosie, the bag (like pouches) will work best if there is some friction
between the drawstring and the bag.  One way is to pass the drawstring
through eyelets that are a little tight (whether only a pair, or
several along hte top edge). Your typical dillybag would be the width
of a plate wide, this makes for a drawstring that is about 1m long.
This is just below the upper limits of easy fingerloop braiding
without a helper or other device to overcome length difficulties.
Other braiding techniques such as lucet, plaiting, whipcord braiding,
fingerweaving, would also work well as a drawstring (some being easier
to make longer, most slower to make than fingerloop), but none of them
are as easy to doccument to your time period as fingerloop. (the
doccumentability of lucet pre 1600 is still a topic of great debate).

I'd be happy to show you how to fingerloop if you are down in
melbourne, and I know there are some stormholders who would do the
same, and know I've taught the basics to a few people from Cairnfell.
I'd recommend crochet cotton for learning on (I think they call it all
perle cotton in the US), the cheap chunky stuff for your first braid,
and the rayon crochet cotton or dmc perle cotton isn't a bad imitation
for silk as someone else said.  Real silk can really hurt the fingers
(and wallet) until you develop calusses, and too many wools stretch,
snap or abrade to reccomend them for a beginner.

you neightbour in Krae Glas,
Teffania

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wrote:
>
> On 11/05/07, Julie Stackable <malvoisine@...> wrote:
> > Wiki said 'A dillybag or dilly bag is
> > a traditional woven bag, original to Australian Aboriginals. It
is used
> > for a variety of food transportation and preparation purposes.
>
> Dillybag is used in modern australian to mean bag for transporting
> eating utensils.  They are almost always a piece of  fabric folded
in
> half and sewn into a flat bag with a drawstring top.  I encountered
> this useage in girl guides, and I think boy scouts use it too.
> Considering how many australians or their parents were in these
> organisations, this could account for a large percentage of the
> population using this term.

Thanks for that - that was what I figured. Let me check my links
tonight - there is a Belgian site linked off a needlework site that
has a ton of pictures of reliquary bags with lots of variations on
how to draw it shut, including eyelets and the standard 'tube'
variation. I'll post some links in a bit.

Margaret Hepburn

> Please forgive my complete and utter ignorance. I didn't know what a
> dilly bag was, so I looked it up. Wiki said 'A dillybag or dilly bag
is
> a traditional woven bag, original to Australian Aboriginals. It is
used
> for a variety of food transportation and preparation purposes.

Hi Margaret,
I know what I'm talking about, even if no one else does! Having been in
Guides for years I'm accustomed to using the term "dilly bag" to mean
the bag I carry my crockery, cutlery and related items around it. Other
people call it a "mess kit" I think. Basically I'm making little
quilted bags for each item (since I don't want them scratching each
other) then a larger bag to keep them all in.
:)
Rosie

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:
> Hi Margaret,
> I know what I'm talking about, even if no one else does! Having been in
> Guides for years I'm accustomed to using the term "dilly bag" to mean
> the bag I carry my crockery, cutlery and related items around it.

Hmmm, a former boyfriend who had served in the Navy always referred to
his overnight toiletry case as a ditty bag. Not the same, especially
if "dilly" has Aboriginal etymology, but still surprisingly close.

(Don't mind me, I'm waiting for laundry to cycle and I'm bored.)

Jehanne de Wodeford
West

I have a new website that's a union catalog of lots of online
books. It basically sums together my existing catalogs of Project
Gutenberg, Online Books Page, and archive.org books. It has call
numbers for about 3/4 of the books, which allows browsing by subject,
and has a search function. As usual, I've separated out most of the
books that are pre-1600 relevant, but you can also see the books that
I didn't select.

I'm looking for feedback before I advertise it to the general public.
So give it a whirl, and email me your opinions: what works well, what
doesn't? Do you see anything that you think is a bug?

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/union/

-- Gregory

wodeford <wodeford@...> wrote:

Hmmm, a former boyfriend who had served in the Navy always referred to
his overnight toiletry case as a ditty bag. Not the same, especially
if "dilly" has Aboriginal etymology, but still surprisingly close.
SNIP
Jehanne de Wodeford

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   Gentle Lady Jehanne,
   my Father, [WW One Royal Navy, and may God be good to him - She'll hear bout
it from me if she isn't]  - had a small whitewood box [kept from his Navy kit
when he bought himself out in 1924], - which he referred to as his "ditty box".
Dad joined-up in 1916, so that takes us back near-on a Century for a known use
of the word "ditty".

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http://www.gorgeousthings.com/fabric_store/all.php?fabric=linen

Look at this beautiful gauze. Wouldn't it make beautiful veils?

Not TOO unreasonably priced, either.

Laurensa

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>
>  http://www.gorgeousthings.com/fabric_store/all.php?fabric=linen
>
> Look at this beautiful gauze. Wouldn't it make beautiful veils?
>
> Not TOO unreasonably priced, either.

Silk gauze, WAY more reasonable:
http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/silk/gauze.html

Jehanne de Wodeford, Silk Enabler
West

seems good to me, but I just got from Fencing and chess, my brain is
messed up and my legs are dead.

~Galmr~

On 5/12/07, Greg Lindahl <lindahl@...> wrote:
> I have a new website that's a union catalog of lots of online
> books. It basically sums together my existing catalogs of Project
> Gutenberg, Online Books Page, and archive.org books. It has call
> numbers for about 3/4 of the books, which allows browsing by subject,
> and has a search function. As usual, I've separated out most of the
> books that are pre-1600 relevant, but you can also see the books that
> I didn't select.

In general I like it.  I'd almost wonder if it would benefit from some
kind of 'WIKI' functionality, though, so that others could help add or
remove titles (with moderation) rather than putting it all on one
person.  Just a random thought.

My one other comment at this time is that you say 'pre-1600 books' and
then here you say 'pre-1600 relevant'.  What is your purpose?  To have
books about pre-1600 history (and are you trying to keep it to
European relevant topics?) or are you going for only pre-1600 books
(and I understand your search techniques have limitations).

The title made me think that you were going for the latter; that is,
books only published before 1600 (or later reprints of the same).
However, the selection showed many of the former.  I wasn't sure if
this was because of your search techniques or because you wanted
post-1600 books on pre-1600 subjects.

Either way, I think you should be more clear in the opening about what
it is about.  I did go down and do a little searching for more
information, but couldn't find what I considered a clear statement.


-E.

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rachelaleclair <rachelaleclair@...> wrote:

I am new to the SCA and would like to base my persona on a 1500's
female Scottish border reiver.

From what I could find, the women of this time and place wore dresses
with close fitting German bodices and large French whalebone sleeves.

I get the bodices, but don't understand what the source was describing
in the sleeves. Does anyone have some ideas?
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Well met m'lady.  I'm from across the sea in Ireland and from what research I've
done in my neck of the woods.  English dress of the period or local garb. you
may also be able to get away with irish if your feeling a bit bratty.  Yes/no?

    Micheal

>   my Father, [WW One Royal Navy, and may God be good to him - She'll
hear bout it from me if she isn't]  - had a small whitewood box [kept
from his Navy kit when he bought himself out in 1924], - which he
referred to as his "ditty box". Dad joined-up in 1916, so that takes us
back near-on a Century for a known use of the word "ditty".

Well, another cultural difference :) We don't keep our ditties in bags
or boxes. To me a ditty is a few lines of what would be a song if it
was longer; usually a bit rude or otherwise bordering on disgusting. My
mum had a horrible collection she picked up from her father (who was in
the navy) and her grandmother (most of her menfolk were in the army.)
Most I wouldn't repeat...
Rosie

> I'd be happy to show you how to fingerloop if you are down in
> melbourne, and I know there are some stormholders who would do the
> same, and know I've taught the basics to a few people from Cairnfell.
> I'd recommend crochet cotton for learning on (I think they call it all
> perle cotton in the US), the cheap chunky stuff for your first braid,
> and the rayon crochet cotton or dmc perle cotton isn't a bad imitation
> for silk as someone else said.  Real silk can really hurt the fingers
> (and wallet) until you develop calusses, and too many wools stretch,
> snap or abrade to reccomend them for a beginner.

Teffania! Thanks! We were already planning to come down to June
Bash. "Daddy" can be on baby holding duty this time so I can get
something productive done. :D
For the project, not the practising, I wanted to use the linen sewing
thread I've been using for the stitching so the colour matches. Is
there any reason why this wouldn't work? It's a bit stiff, so I don't
suppose it would braid tightly. Does it need to braid tightly? I've
only seen fingerloop done in silk so haven't much to judge by.
Cheers,
Rosie

What do you use to paint on leather? What sort of leather painting
existed in period anyway? Our kingdom just had a comp, while I'm a bit
late, it made me wonder if I could use this to make a mask for an
upcoming ball (and the midwinter comp.)
Rosie

On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 10:11:06PM -0000, Rosie wrote:

> Well, another cultural difference :) We don't keep our ditties in bags
> or boxes. To me a ditty is a few lines of what would be a song if it
> was longer;

... that's what a ditty is in the US, too.

I don't know why a ditty bag is a ditty bag, but a ditty is as you
describe it.

-- Gregory

On Sat, 12 May 2007 22:11:06 -0000, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...>
wrote:

>>   my Father, [WW One Royal Navy, and may God be good to him - She'll
>hear bout it from me if she isn't]  - had a small whitewood box [kept
>from his Navy kit when he bought himself out in 1924], - which he
>referred to as his "ditty box". Dad joined-up in 1916, so that takes us
>back near-on a Century for a known use of the word "ditty".
>
>Well, another cultural difference :) We don't keep our ditties in bags
>or boxes. To me a ditty is a few lines of what would be a song if it
>was longer; usually a bit rude or otherwise bordering on disgusting. My
>mum had a horrible collection she picked up from her father (who was in
>the navy) and her grandmother (most of her menfolk were in the army.)
>Most I wouldn't repeat...

That's true in my part of the US as well, but the bag/box you keep
your personal stuff (toothbrush/toothpaste, razor, comb, eating
utensils, soap) is still called a ditty bag/box.  My grandfather kept
his on the counter in the bathroom -- I'm fairly sure  it was a more
contemporary replacement of the bag he was issued in 1915 (USArmy). My
dad used one for years whenever we traveled -- Mom got him a
'civilian' one for their honeymoon to replace the one he'd gotten in
basic.

So it's a ditty bag/box without any ditties in it.  Welcome to the
English language :)

stasia

--
Anastasia Emilianova
Jenn Ridley :  jridley@...

Gregory wrote:
>As usual, I've separated out most of the
>books that are pre-1600 relevant...

Uh, mmm, 1600 is the last year of the 16th century, so if you want to
cover the 16th C., as i suspect you do, you need to include books
from 1600.

1601 is the first year of the 17th century, so i think perhaps this
is the year you want to be "pre".

There was, after no, no year 0 between year 1 BC/BCE and year 1
AD/CE, so centuries begin with years nn01 and end, in their hundredth
year, with years nn00.

--
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita

--- Rosie <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:

> >   my Father, [WW One Royal Navy, and may God be
> good to him - She'll
> hear bout it from me if she isn't]  - had a small
> whitewood box [kept
> from his Navy kit when he bought himself out in
> 1924], - which he
> referred to as his "ditty box". Dad joined-up in
> 1916, so that takes us
> back near-on a Century for a known use of the word
> "ditty".
>
> Well, another cultural difference :) We don't keep
> our ditties in bags or boxes. To me a ditty is a
> few lines of what would be a song if it was longer;
> Rosie

I've had mess kits (eating food, and sometimes cooking
it) and ditty bags (toiletries), which terms I picked
up from my Dad, who went all the way to Eagle Scout in
the 40's.  The Boy Scout connection would tend, I
think, to indicate a military origin or popularization
of the words.

A ditty can also be a song--what was called a maggot
in Playford, no?

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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:
>
> What do you use to paint on leather? What sort of leather painting
> existed in period anyway? Our kingdom just had a comp, while I'm a
bit
> late, it made me wonder if I could use this to make a mask for an
> upcoming ball (and the midwinter comp.)
> Rosie
>
I am a sign painter and often get asked to paint leather or
canvas...I've always used One Shot oil based paints. They are pricey,
so just to do a small project, try those little bottles of model paint.
Depending on how many colors etc, you can get away with nail polish!
Its just
safe for humans" oil paint anyway!
Hope this helps
Anna

Both of these definitions seem to fit:  "A sailor's small bag to hold
thread, needles, tape, etc.; - also called sailor's housewife" and "A
small handsewn bag holding a sailor's personal gear".  Also known in
the US Navy as a sea bag.

My male friends who do leatherwork use traditional leather dyes, but
those all eventually turn to brown.


I use the crafts paints that are cheap at any crafts shop, and I have
a pair of gold shoes I touch up occasionally but mostly the paint has
lasted MANY years (I've had those shoes 15 years or more) and for my
students' belts I use crafts paint, and the color lasts years.  Touch-
up is cheap and easy.

Those paints are used for painting on sweatshirts and t-shirts that
go into the washer and dryer, so they last great on leather.   It's
not manly, to go shopping where little old ladies shop for things to
paint on sweatshirts, but the effect is good.

Here's a photo of some:



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/SandraDodd/Kymma/
leatherducksbig.jpg

Oh--the pouch shown is painted with those, too.

AElflaed

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On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 04:12:47PM -0400, JL Badgley wrote:

> In general I like it.  I'd almost wonder if it would benefit from some
> kind of 'WIKI' functionality, though, so that others could help add or
> remove titles (with moderation) rather than putting it all on one
> person.  Just a random thought.

That is the plan. I'm not sure when I'll get around to writing that
bit of the software, though, I keep on tweaking the data sources.

> What is your purpose?  To have
> books about pre-1600 history (and are you trying to keep it to
> European relevant topics?) or are you going for only pre-1600 books
> (and I understand your search techniques have limitations).

The first. I'd also like to label the books which were first printed
before 1600, too, but that'll be a subset of the pre-1600 relevant
books. BTW, this is all discussed in the "How We Do It" page.

What I was mostly looking for was feedback about using the site: did
you find any neat books? Did you find it easy to navigate?

-- Gregory

On 5/13/07, Greg Lindahl <lindahl@...> wrote:
> The first. I'd also like to label the books which were first printed
> before 1600, too, but that'll be a subset of the pre-1600 relevant
> books. BTW, this is all discussed in the "How We Do It" page.

I saw that page, but it took me a while to get there, and I didn't
think to even look until after I had started browsing and noticed that
what was listed on the front page seemed to contradict what I thought
the purpose of the catalog was.

> What I was mostly looking for was feedback about using the site: did
> you find any neat books? Did you find it easy to navigate?

I found some interesting books, definitely.  I'm in the middle of
something, book-wise, so I haven't been able to get around to actually
looking at any of them.  I wasn't sure about some of the categories,
but I haven't had a chance to fully browse.

Off the cuff impression:

I was impressed by what I saw, and delighted.  My first thought was
that we had a united repository of pre-17th century texts online
(okay, another one, but this seemed like it would be very inclusive).

I skipped straight to the categories.  I saw the 'Search' function,
but couldn't think of anything to search.  I immediately went looking
for where I might find a section on 'cooking'.

At this point I was briefly stymied.  None of the categories directly
seemed to relate to my search, but I'm used to that.  I figured it
would be a matter of working through and finding out which particular
system of categorization is being used.  I got sidetracked at this
point, looking through the various categories for items of interest.
I didn't quite get the 'X books selected of Y books', but that made
more sense later.

As I went through the categories, I noticed what this was more on
books /about/ pre-17th century, although the term 'pre-1600 books'
still makes me think of 'books printed before 1600'.

That said, I think that it looks ike a good resource, and I suspect I
will make use of it in the future.


-E.

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Thanks for the tips!
I think I still have the stash of nail polish left over from that phase
that most teenage girls go through... I think I'll start there. Knew I
was hanging onto them for a reason! (Not true, I'm just a hoarder.)
:)
Rosie

While the silk gauze is more reasonable, for some people, the linen is more
correct.  :)

Personally, I'd like some of each!

Smiles,
Despina de la no money for fabric, we're buying a house


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   From: Rosie

   Thanks for the tips!
   I think I still have the stash of nail polish left over from that phase
   that most teenage girls go through... I think I'll start there. Knew I
   was hanging onto them for a reason! (Not true, I'm just a hoarder.)
   :)
   Rosie

Sorry for asking so late, but I was just reading the leather painting thread and
am wondering:

Is the paint that is used on sweatshirts anything like fabric paint?  Generally
comes in a smallish bottle with a squeeze top?    It sounds like it would work
wonderfully on leather.

Thanks from Lyonet
who is having a duh moment for not thinking of this before.

-=Is the paint that is used on sweatshirts anything like fabric
paint? Generally comes in a smallish bottle with a squeeze top? It
sounds like it would work wonderfully on leather.-=-

Right, but it's not usually specifically "fabric paint"--usually
called "crafts paint" (or acrylic or acrylic enamel) and some
specifically say leather (and wood and...)

AElflaed of Duckford

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At 09:30 PM 5/13/2007, you wrote:
>While the silk gauze is more reasonable, for some people, the linen is more
>correct. :)
>
>Personally, I'd like some of each!
>
>Smiles,
>Despina de la no money for fabric, we're buying a house


That's about the best excuse I ever heard of for buying fabric.
Congratulations!

Laurensa