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#52571 From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" <goofy1@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 11:29 am
Subject: Re: Re: what you've gotten yourself into
alisone17404
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Using Froogle comes up with a number of links. Just casual browsing brought
up "shopindia.com", which looked to have very reasonable prices.

Laurensa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katherine Throckmorton" <kthrockmorton@...>
To: <Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Authentic_SCA] Re: what you've gotten yourself into


> Apollonia wrote:
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>> Can you direct me to one of the "very reliable and well priced saree
>> online
>> shop?"  I have yet to find a site that will sell me modern Indian
>> clothing
>> and other imports.
>
> Typing "sari" into google will come up with all kinds of site that will do
> just that. Personally I've had good luck with Sari Safari whose site is:
> www.sarisafari.com
>
> -Katherine
>
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#52572 From: "borderlands15213" <borderlands15213@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: dye change
borderlands1...
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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Sahrye" <sahryec@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I saw the fairly recent thread on natural dyeing on this list and
<<<snipped>>>
  I was originally intending to somehow try
> to evenly dye it in a trash bin (not sure how that was going to work -
> anyone have a better idea for large amounts of fabric?)  <<<also
snipped>>>
> Thanks,
> Dianora
>

Assuming you aren't meaning a metal trash bin and don't intend to keep
the dye bath warm or hot over a heat source: Your bathtub?  (Also
assuming that's porcelain over cast iron or over steel, or that it's
some other surface that won't become permanently stained.)

Yseult the Gentle

#52573 From: Melanie / Millicent <melaniesuzanne@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: what you've gotten yourself into
melaniesuzanne
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Caitlin,

What weight was the fabric? Would it be strong enough for a
non-supportive gown? I know the site lists a weight but I'm unable to
convert that into something useful. :)

Thanks,
Melanie

On 11/25/05, caitlin_oduibhir <caitlin_oduibhir@...> wrote:
> Hi Megh,
>
> This is the stuff I have my eye on if I don't find something in Little
> India.
>
http://dollarfabric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=00000001&C\
ategory_Code=2054
>
> I've had the samples sent and tested the fibres - it's real silk.
>
> Cait.

--
Melanie Cozad                 melaniesuzanne@...
~ Lady Millicent Chandler (formerly Melissent d'Artois) ~
                 ~ Chancellor of the Exchequer ~
         ~ Barony of Ponte Alto, Kingdom of Atlantia ~

#52574 From: "Killienne Gibson-Thomas" <kgibsonthomas@...>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2005 12:24 am
Subject: FW: dye change
ysabeauanais
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________________________________

From: Bjo Trimble [mailto:bjotrimble@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:00 PM
To: Killienne Gibson-Thomas
Subject: RE: [Authentic_SCA] dye change

I'm not on this list, so please forward my answer to one and all, or
just the person who asked. Either which, as my mentally challenged
daughter, Lady Kathryn, says.

No, you don't need to wash the alum mordant out before dyeing -
actually, all the alum that the wool will absorb is now more or less a
permanent part of it. Commercial dyes won't even know it's there.

However, be careful dyeing wool yardage because it can felt fairly fast.
This is caused by the washing machine agitation and drastic changes in
temperature. So if you start out with room temperature dye-water (for
example) then you can bring the dye-water to boiling but you have to let
it cool to room temperature again if rinsing with room temperature
water. Make sense?

I can help with suggestions on how to dye yardage but it's a long
message so Dianora might like to consult with me off-list. Otherwise,
I'll probably bore everyone else to tears.

Also, there are wonderful ways to use cochineal without wasting it that
I'll gladly share.

I do hope she's not planning on using Rit, which is more a nasty stain
than a real dye. She should get a good fiber reactive dye.

I know nothing of this list - I very much enjoy historical dye research
but I'm not a fanatic about it, and get rather tired of those who want
me to be. Is this a fun group of people or are they deadly serious?

Bjo Trimble
SCA: Maestra Flavia Beatrice Carmigniani, OL, OP
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-----Original Message-----
From: Killienne Gibson-Thomas [mailto:kgibsonthomas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:24 PM
To: Bjo Trimble
Subject: FW: [Authentic_SCA] dye change

Mistress Flavia,

I don't know if you are on this list, but this seemed right up your
alley. So I am forwarding it to you for your sage advice. I know if
anyone knows this, you do!

Con affetto,

   ~Ysabeau

________________________________

From: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sahrye
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Authentic_SCA] dye change

Hi,
I saw the fairly recent thread on natural dyeing on this list and
wanted to ask the list a dyeing question.  I have 6 yrds of wool that
I was planning to dye with cochineal.  I mordanted it with alum, let
it dry and stashed it away.  I was originally intending to somehow try
to evenly dye it in a trash bin (not sure how that was going to work -
anyone have a better idea for large amounts of fabric?)  Anyway, I
decided it will be more difficult than i really want to try and now I
want to dye it with commercial dye in a machine (and leave the
cochineal for some silk).  Do I need to wash out the mordant before I
try to dye it?
Thanks,
Dianora







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#52575 From: kittencat3@...
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2005 6:47 am
Subject: Re: FW: dye change
elllid
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Mistress Flavia is absolutely right about Rit - it's awful stuff.  If you
must use a commercial dye, go with Procion or something like that.  Rit is
lousy.

Sarah Davies


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#52576 From: Albrecht von Arnsperg <albrecht_von_arnsperg@...>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2005 11:12 pm
Subject: Re: Make-up
albrecht_von...
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I've been away from the list for a while, but I thought I could shed some light
on this question.

   A 10th century Arab merchant named Ibrahim al-Tartushi described the use of
eye makeup by the inhabitants of Hedeby:

     "There is also an artificial make-up for the eyes; when they use it their
beauty never fades, but on the contrary it increases in men and women as well."

   Hope that helps.


   Albrecht

Frederick <mage_iii@...> wrote:
   Last week I just remembered something I read somwhere (forgot where
though) which I can't find now.

I read that norse guys wore eye makeup like the egyptions. I've been
searching to see if this was true and have not found anything.
Does anyone know if it is true?

~Frederick~







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#52577 From: "bardic_circle_fan" <bardic_circle_fan@...>
Date: Sun Dec 4, 2005 6:46 am
Subject: New SCA movie online
bardic_circl...
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MODERATOR'S POST - PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS. THIS LIST HAS OVER A THOUSAND
MEMBERS. IT'S THE POLITE THING TO DO. THANK YOU.

Has anyone else seen the movie Waning Solstice.  It was made by a long
time SCA member, in the Kingdom of the West.  He even used a bunch of
SCA members during these flashback scenes, if you look close you can
actually find a once Queen of the West in the film.  If you haven't
seen it yet I suggest going to Customflix.com and searching for Waning
Solstice, its a good movie, and getting a copy will help out fellow
members.  Post what you think about it, I'm curios what others think.

#52578 From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 4:33 am
Subject: Late 16th c Bohemia - Book for sale
heather_rose...
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I was at Moe's Books yesterday and picked up a book on spec, assuming
that somebody I knew would be delighted to take it off my hands for
cost+shipping.  It's an exhibition catalog:

Fucikova, Eliska et al. ed.  1997.  Rudolf II and Progue: The Court
and the City.  Prague Castle Administration / Thames and Hudson, Skira.

This is a THICK  book -- nearly 800 pages, well over a thousand
images with maybe 10% of them in color.  What looks like a complete
catalog of the exhibition, as well as descriptions of related
material that was not on display, plus nearly 400 pages of
explanatory discussion.  It focuses generally on the era of the
Emperor Rudolf II (reigned 1576-1612) and his court in Prague.  The
exhibition includes a great deal of everyday material culture items
(albeit often very fancy ones) and -- the reason why it's passing
through my hands rather than simply mentioning its existence --
photos and descriptions of about two dozen surviving garments,
including the burial garments of men, women, and children of the
royal family.  Pottery, tableware, musical instruments, fancy dishes,
scientific instruments, embroidered synagogue curtains, book
bindings, furniture, chests, and lots and lots of artwork.  (There's
also one item I wouldn't mind suppressing knowledge of: a suit of
Japanese armor that Rudolf had in his collection.)

Here's the deal:  I bought this book for $45.  Yes, only $45.  (plus
sales tax)  I'm going to be scanning all the information on surviving
garments, but after that I don't really have a need to continue
owning this book.  I would be delighted to pass it on for my price
plus shipping costs to someone who desperately needs to own this
book.  I'm offering it on this list first because I think people here
are likely to have that sort of desperate need.  Given the season, if
someone really wants this in hand before Christmas or 12th night, I
can make it a high priority to get the scanning done (although it'll
probably increase your shipping costs).

Any takers?

Tangwystyl
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Heather Rose Jones
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http://www.heatherrosejones.com
LJ:hrj

#52579 From: "Emmie" <emmiewilliams@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 4:54 pm
Subject: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
bobbyandemmie
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First, I have x-posted this and I apologize to those that currently
have the feeling of deja-vu.  In the spring I plan on submitting my
first ever A&S item for a competition.  The issue I am trying to iron
out is how to stiffen linen in a period manner.  I do not want to use
buckram or interfacing for the toque I intend on making, I would like
to use linen that has been stiffened... possible 2-4 layers (as I
complete it I am sure that will become clearer.  The toque is from
Eastern Europe (German) area.  I am trying to figure out the
appropriate way of making starch.  I have ruled out potato starch due
to the region.  There was mention of boiling down rice to make a
starch from someone I know, but I want to get a general consensus.
Thank you for any advice or nudge in the apporpriate direction you may
offer.

YIS,
Elisabeth Hänsel

#52580 From: Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
aheilvei
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I would suggest wheat starch.

Smiles,
Despina de la it's a direction


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#52581 From: "borderlands15213" <borderlands15213@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
borderlands1...
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In Jane Ashelford's "A Visual History of the Sixteenth Century," I
*think* is where I read this:  starch for stiffening ruffs (and other
items, of course) was obtained by "seething" barley---not wheat.  As
near as I can tell, the seething is similar to simmering, as opposed
to boiling.
That's what I recall reading.
And what step or steps, if any, came between the seething and the
application (which I have assumed is immersion of the article to be
stiffened), I don't know.

Of course, that's predominantly English fashions, as far as I recall,
and not German, and it *is* Sixteenth Century, neither of which might
be very helpful, documentation-wise.  (Sorry: not recalling the time-
frame for the linen toque.)

Yseult the Gentle
--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil@g...>
wrote:
>
> I would suggest wheat starch.

> Despina de la it's a direction

>

#52582 From: jeffrey.heilveil@...
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
bogdan_de_la...
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I know that the limners typically use wheat starch, and that it may have
been the starch used in period sugarpaste (there is one recipe that calls
for starch that I have found).

Despina could probably give you info on the source that talks about starch
for limners.

Hope this helps.
Bogdan

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#52583 From: "Dawn Malmstrom" <dawn@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
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Either wheat paste or rice paste would work. The recipe for either is
simple. One part flour of your choice to four and a half or five parts
water. Let sit for half an hour. Heat over low heat (double boiler)
stirring constantly, bring to a boil for no more than thirty seconds
(or it gets to gellatinous. Apply it to the linen while still warm
then shape the linen.

One caveat is that both of these starches will soften in high humidity
or contact with water.

There are other glues out there that are more sturdy against these,
fish glue and hide glue for example. Cenninni has a recipe for fish
glue (as well as wheat paste).

Hide glue is simple to make, too, just boil scraps of leather(undyed)
or parchment in water. Reduce over heat until it is almost gelatinous.
Use while hot (it doesn't reheat). Shape and let dry.

Donata Bonacorsi

#52584 From: <jclaneva@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 6:42 pm
Subject: Pinstriped Wool and Striped Linen
jclaneva
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Okay, folks, I need opinions, and I know this group has more than a few.
*grin*  I have access to some pretty suit weight wool in a charcoal gray
with a very discreet gray pinstripe.  I also have some linen/cotton blend
with strips of green and blue on a natural background.  These stripes are
about 1-1/2" apart and about 1/4" wide.  Would these pieces work for Italian
Ren, fairly early in the period?  (The bodice pattern I use makes a raised
waist that's about 1" above my natural waist.)  I have some red wool scraps
that could trim the gray.  Also, I have some coating wool that I plan to use
for a 12th century gown.  Would it be too terribly hot to wear indoors?  The
goal was a warm gown for outdoor events in the fall and early spring, but
could it be an indoor gown in the winter?

Your thoughts are most appreciated,

Jannifer aka Jan aka Jann I'Fyr



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#52585 From: jeffrey.heilveil@...
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 6:46 pm
Subject: correction on hyde glue
bogdan_de_la...
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Donata said:
>  Hide glue is simple to make, too, just boil scraps of leather(undyed)
>  or parchment in water. Reduce over heat until it is almost gelatinous.
>  Use while hot (it doesn't reheat). Shape and let dry.

If you add more water to dried hyde glue, it will reconstitute (or hide
glue, however you prefer to spell it).  I only know this because I've done
it a few times.  On the same pot of glue.

Bogdan

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Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Biological Sciences
North Dakota State University
Stevens Hall
Fargo, ND 58105
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#52586 From: Laura Morgan <valkerie1000@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 7:07 pm
Subject: name origins
valkerie1000
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Trying to document the origins of the name "Othon."

   Reason being...We would like to name our new pup after a very good friend who
died 3 years ago.  His SCA name was " Othon."  I was trying to figure out where
he got the name, but so far have not had any luck.  The pup is a german breed,
and I thought that "Othon" was a germanic name.  but I cant find anything on it.

   Anybody know anything?

   I don't NEED my dog's name to be period, but I would like it to be.

   Laura


Laura Morgan
with Aubrey & Booga





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#52587 From: "Emmie" <emmiewilliams@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: Period Starch or How to Stiffen Linen
bobbyandemmie
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> Of course, that's predominantly English fashions, as far as I
recall,
> and not German, and it *is* Sixteenth Century, neither of which
might
> be very helpful, documentation-wise.  (Sorry: not recalling the time-
> frame for the linen toque.)

I apologize, I was thinking faster than I was typing and I did not put
the time frame at hand... 1300-1350 (Manesse Codex.)  Al of the input
has been wonderful, thank you!

Elisabeth

#52588 From: Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 7:26 pm
Subject: Medieval English Parliament Rolls
aheilvei
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From another list. I thought people might be interested.... Smiles, Despina

Just in time for the Christmas season, the National
Archives in London have released the finished
complete(!) translation of all extant English
Parliament Rolls from 1270-1503. They will be
published in a 17 volume set sometime next year by
Boydell & Brewer, but you can get the whole thing on
CDRom for 50 pounds. Here's the description from the
National Archives website:

---------------------
The Medieval Parliament Rolls contain the official
records of the English Parliament during the first two
and a quarter centuries of its existence (c. 1270 to
1503). They record the debates held and the decisions
made in Parliament, as well as the petitions, bills
and answers, both public and private, which formed the
basis of acts of Parliament, In 1996, the Leverhulme
Trust funded the creation of a new edition, replacing
an eighteenth century text, the Rotuli Parliamentorum
( 6 volumes, London, 1767-1783. according to the
General Editor of the new edition, Professor Chris
Given-Wilson of St. Andrews University, it is "one of
the fundamental series of records for the political,
constitutional, economic, social, religious and legal
history of England in the later middle ages". For
Parliament itself, it is the nearest medieval
equivalent to Hansard that we have and of comparable
value.

The new electronic edition provides a full transcript,
modern English translation and introductory matter,
critical apparatus, footnotes and bibliographical
references of a modern scholarly edition. It will
extend access to users who do not have the linguistic
or palaeographical skills to consult the original
documents and allows undergraduates to make use of it
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#52589 From: "Terri Morgan" <nothingbutadame@...>
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 7:36 pm
Subject: RE: name origins
thatdamehrothny
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There's a suggestion that "Othon" is a derivative of "Odin" thanks to the
frequent d/th shift when writing in English but that was all I could find.

I'd wonder if "othon" is a word rather than a name, for example, "the Bomb"
or "the grump".


Hrothny

#52590 From: gedney@...
Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: name origins
gedney1
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> Trying to document the origins of the name "Othon."

Othon is a period variant of Otto.

Duke Otto the great of Saxony (962-973) was also recorded as Othon

Capt Elias
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-Renaissance Geek of the Cyber Seas

- Help! I am being pecked to death by the Ducks of Dilletanteism!
There are SO damn many more things I want to try in the SCA
than I can possibly have time for. It's killing me!!!

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Upon the hempen tackle ship-boys climbing;
Hear the shrill whistle which doth order give
To sounds confused; behold the threaden sails,
Borne with the invisible and creeping wind,
Draw the huge bottoms through the furrow'd sea,
Breasting the lofty surge: O, do but think
You stand upon the ravage and behold
A city on the inconstant billows dancing;
For so appears this fleet majestical,
Holding due course to Harfleur.
   - Shakespeare - Henry V, Act III, Prologue

#52591 From: "Mike Keyser" <NINacide@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 5:13 am
Subject: Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today
ninacide
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The History Channel says that a Ming Emperor ordered toilet paper to
be made for him and some of his higher-ups.  His was extra special
though.  It was yellow, perfumed, and 3 feet wide.


--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Tiffany Brown <teffania@g...>
wrote:
>
> [Of traitors.....]
> Said the King, "for I have a use for them at the moment.
> But they are just like bits of rag:
> Once you have had your use of them,
> You throw them in the latrines."
>
> Dist li Reis, "c'est ore un porchaz,
> Qu'il est d'els comme de torchaz:
> Quant I'om en a faite s'ouvraingne,
> Sil jete l'om en la longaingne."
>
> The History of William Marshall v2
> (from line 12697) written early 13th C, but speaking of late 12th C
events.
>
> So opinions? Is that a literal translation from the old anglo-norman
> french?  Is he reffering to toilet paper rags, or to other household
> rags, which surely would be of use to papermakers (or perhaps we are
> we too early for that), or various other industries.
>
> what do you think?
> Teffania
>

#52592 From: "Jessica" <noinini@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 5:54 am
Subject: RE: Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today
noinini81
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What program?  Did they say which Ming Emperor?



Who says that the rear end has to stink?



Findabhair



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Subject: [Authentic_SCA] Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today



The History Channel says that a Ming Emperor ordered toilet paper to
be made for him and some of his higher-ups.  His was extra special
though.  It was yellow, perfumed, and 3 feet wide.



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#52593 From: "borderlands15213" <borderlands15213@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today
borderlands1...
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Three feet wide?  Was this stuff being used as seat covers?

Yseult

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica" <noinini@t...> wrote:
>
> What program?  Did they say which Ming Emperor?
> Who says that the rear end has to stink?
> Findabhair

> From: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Keyser
<<<snipped>>>
> The History Channel says that a Ming Emperor ordered toilet paper
to
> be made for him and some of his higher-ups.  His was extra special
> though.  It was yellow, perfumed, and 3 feet wide.

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#52594 From: NINacide@...
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today
ninacide
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sorry, when it comes to remembering names, I'm the worst.  I'm sure  they'll
show the show again.  You'll know it when you see it because it  basically
says that every great invention that came out of Europe was predated  by
thousands of years by the chinese.  And I think the 3 feet wide part had 
something to
do with the manufacturing process that they had back them caused  them to
make wider sheets and in our case those sheets would seem to be  overkill.  But
I'm sure if he wanted to tear off a  6 by 6 inch part  of the 3 foot wide
tapestry o' TP, he could.


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#52595 From: "wodeford" <wodeford@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: toilet paper reference? History Channel today
wodeford
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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Keyser" <NINacide@a...> wrote:
>
> The History Channel says that a Ming Emperor ordered toilet paper to
> be made for him and some of his higher-ups.  His was extra special
> though.  It was yellow, perfumed, and 3 feet wide.

As I've begun studying early Japan, I've encountered a rule of thumb
that if the Japanese had it, the Chinese probably had it first.

China supposedly had paper technology since about 100 CE.
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/paper.htm

The illustrations show paper being produced in large sheets, and are
consistent with what I've seen on Japanese paper production. Large
sheets can, of course, be cut down to useful sizes....

http://www.toiletpaperworld.com/tpw/encyclopedia/navigation/funfacts.htm
dates the Emperor's toilet paper to 1391 CE.

Toilet tissue as we know it was first marketed in the 19th century.

Jehanne de Wodeford, West

#52596 From: Beth and Bob Matney <bmatney@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 10:32 pm
Subject: Late 16th c Bohemia - Book for sale
bmatney2000
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Tangwystyl

I sent you an email off-list, but did not get a reply, so I'm not sure you
got it. If you do not have a taker yet, I'd like to buy the book.

Beth of Walnutvale (mka Beth Matney)

At 03:39 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:33:46 -0800
>    From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones@...>
>Subject: Late 16th c Bohemia - Book for sale
>
>I was at Moe's Books yesterday and picked up a book on spec, assuming
>that somebody I knew would be delighted to take it off my hands for
>cost+shipping.  It's an exhibition catalog:
>
>Fucikova, Eliska et al. ed.  1997.  Rudolf II and Progue: The Court
>and the City.  Prague Castle Administration / Thames and Hudson, Skira.
>
>This is a THICK  book -- nearly 800 pages, well over a thousand
>images with maybe 10% of them in color.  What looks like a complete
>catalog of the exhibition, as well as descriptions of related
>material that was not on display, plus nearly 400 pages of
>explanatory discussion.  It focuses generally on the era of the
>Emperor Rudolf II (reigned 1576-1612) and his court in Prague.  The
>exhibition includes a great deal of everyday material culture items
>(albeit often very fancy ones) and -- the reason why it's passing
>through my hands rather than simply mentioning its existence --
>photos and descriptions of about two dozen surviving garments,
>including the burial garments of men, women, and children of the
>royal family.  Pottery, tableware, musical instruments, fancy dishes,
>scientific instruments, embroidered synagogue curtains, book
>bindings, furniture, chests, and lots and lots of artwork.  (There's
>also one item I wouldn't mind suppressing knowledge of: a suit of
>Japanese armor that Rudolf had in his collection.)
>
>Here's the deal:  I bought this book for $45.  Yes, only $45.  (plus
>sales tax)  I'm going to be scanning all the information on surviving
>garments, but after that I don't really have a need to continue
>owning this book.  I would be delighted to pass it on for my price
>plus shipping costs to someone who desperately needs to own this
>book.  I'm offering it on this list first because I think people here
>are likely to have that sort of desperate need.  Given the season, if
>someone really wants this in hand before Christmas or 12th night, I
>can make it a high priority to get the scanning done (although it'll
>probably increase your shipping costs).
>
>Any takers?
>
>Tangwystyl
>--
>Heather Rose Jones
>heather.jones@...
>http://www.heatherrosejones.com
>LJ:hrj

#52597 From: "rorytrevelyan" <rory07@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2005 1:19 am
Subject: Tournament of the Wolf Moon - LIVE OAK, FLORIDA
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MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE INCLUDE LOCATION IN SUBJECT LINE OF EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS
AS A COURTESY TO OUR MEMBERS. NOT ALL OF US ARE IN TRIMARIS. THANK YOU.

Greetings unto the Authentic SCA list from Baroness Aurora Danielle
Trevelyan.  It is my privilege to invite all of you to an amazing
event that we hope you all will be able to attend.  We offer
something for everyone including fabulous prizes.  We will have
equestrian, heavy weapons, light weapons, youth combat, siege
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ceremony mounted tournament based upon period tournaments.
Folks are coming in from all over the knowne world to honor the
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Please share our invitation with your friends.
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The Tournament of the Wolf Moon

Amid the cold and deep snows of midwinter, the wolf packs howl
hungrily throughout the land.  A lone rider comes with a missive from
the Company of the Azure Rose in the fairest kingdom Trimaris far to
the south where alas the sun still shines.

The Most Noble Company of the Azure Rose shall host a grand and
glorious tournament of lance and sword near the borderlands with
Riversmor to honor the Ladies of the Rose of the Knowne World.
Beautiful and Noble Ladies of greatest virtue will award rich prizes
and largesse.  Chivalric Knights and their Squires shall take to the
field to hone their skills of war bringing with them their fierce
Archers and loyal Hounds.  The warm and sturdy lodge along the
winding river shall be filled with minstrels and bards of great
renown.  The tables shall be set for feasting beyond words.  The
night shall bring wondrous dancing and bardic celebration.  As we
come together in the Spirit of Friendship to ward off the wolves of
winter.

#52598 From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2005 5:08 am
Subject: Re: Late 16th c Bohemia - Book for sale
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:

> Tangwystyl
>
> I sent you an email off-list, but did not get a reply, so I'm not
> sure you
> got it. If you do not have a taker yet, I'd like to buy the book.
>

Sorry -- I haven't replied to anybody yet.  Life is being extra busy
at the moment since I'm in the middle of acquiring a mortgage (to buy
out my parents' share of the house I've been living in for 20
years).  I'll get back to the luck and not-so-lucky parties in the
next couple days.

Tangwystyl

> Beth of Walnutvale (mka Beth Matney)
>
> At 03:39 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:
>> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:33:46 -0800
>>    From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones@...>
>> Subject: Late 16th c Bohemia - Book for sale
>>
>> I was at Moe's Books yesterday and picked up a book on spec, assuming
>> that somebody I knew would be delighted to take it off my hands for
>> cost+shipping.  It's an exhibition catalog:
>>
>> Fucikova, Eliska et al. ed.  1997.  Rudolf II and Progue: The Court
>> and the City.  Prague Castle Administration / Thames and Hudson,
>> Skira.


--
Heather Rose Jones
heather.jones@...
http://www.heatherrosejones.com
LJ:hrj

#52599 From: "the_aberrant001" <the_aberrant001@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2005 9:02 am
Subject: Re: New SCA movie online
the_aberrant001
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Hey guys, I was doing a search for this movie, and I found your
group talking about it. I ordered a copy off Amazon.com a few weeks
back, and Shane, great job man. I'm really impressed. I love
independent horror movies, and you've made a fan out of me. Can't
wait to see what you do next. And everyone else on here, check it
out, you won't be disappointed.

Clark

#52600 From: "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2005 2:58 pm
Subject: Looking for a blackwork picture...
gaelwynne2004
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I was looking through some files, photos or what-have-you on one of the
garb listservs I'm on the other day.  I saw someone's lovely example of
her blackwork and an up-close picture of an oakleaf design - I think
there were acorns with it.  I've spent two days searching and can't
seem to find it again.  Does anyone know where it might be or have you
run across it?

The pattern was very appealing and looked simple enough for me to start
with.  I would like to find it again.  One of the pictures alongside
this one was of the woman who did the work in her embroidered garb, I
believe.  It's all a memory now...

Assistance in finding it is appreciated.

Thanks,
Cate

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