That's the one I was thinking of! Thanks for the link.
What I *really* love is the hat...


Lady Kateryn Rous, CP
House Broussard
Windmasters Hill
http://sca.livingpast.com

> > > I'm intrigued with the idea of using reeds for boning in a
> > corset.  (If I could just get off my lazy rear and do it).

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "ladynorelle"
<ladynorelle@y...> wrote:
> Ok, so I'm a little behind on emails, but when you say "reeds" what
> kinda reeds are we talking about?
>
> Norelle

See www.caning.com. Kass said she used the 1mm in bunches for one
corset, and 2 lengths of 1/4" split for another.

My calculations indicate that the 1/4 part of the narrow foot om my
sewing machine will make channels which will hold a 5/32 diameter
cane, (doing this from memory, I think that's right) so that's
probably what I'll be getting.

Gillian (who really needs to quit using purchases as an excuse for
not getting off *her* lazy rear, and start *making* something) Durham

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, msgilliandurham wrote:

> > > >But I do have lots of cotton-linen
> > > >blend I could use for linings. I bought it because it was
> > > >slightly stiff and shiny, as linen is -- after shrinking it,
> > > >it's more like monkscloth than anything <sigh>
> > >
> > --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Mary Taran <marytaran@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > It will regain some of its stiff and shiny qualities if you > >
> wet-iron it, to wit, iron it dry from a wet stage.

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, msgilliandurham wrote:
That helped, thank you for the clue (I'm in the baby-steps stage of
learning about linen).

> > Not that I don't have uses for it in its present state, but not
> >for 10 yards of it :-) (at $1.99 a yard, I kinda went overboard...)
> >
> > Gillian Durham

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Heather Murray <margaret@e...>
wrote:
> ::snrk!:: You're talking to people who'll make houppelands and
> formal Rennaissance wear, any of which can take up to 15 YARDS of
> material for decently impressive volume. You've got good instincts,
> there. :)
>
> Margaret Northwode

Margaret, I stumbled over this website a couple of days ago (trying
to figure out if the 117" Alcega farthengale would be too large for
1560's middle class clothing) -- you may already know about it --

"How Much Is Enough?: Yardages Used in Late 16th Century Women's
Clothing" http://costume.dm.net/fabuse.html

Not only is it a useful page, you'll note that the file name can
either be read as "fab use" or "f[ab] abuse" (all unintentionally on
the part of the author, I'm sure ...)

<g,d,r>

Gillian Durham

Only to be eaten by non-European personae, thanks to Hans Derschwam.

From a 1553-1555 account:

Rice boiled in honey-water.  Throw saffron on it, and sprinkle with
almonds roasted in fat.

It is REALLY REALLY good.  I'll be making it for the class I'm teaching
this weekend.

Cu drag,
Bogdan


-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Heilveil, Ph.D.
Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Biological Sciences
North Dakota State University
Stevens Hall
Fargo, ND 58105
jeffrey.heilveil@...

Bogdan wrote:
>Only to be eaten by non-European personae, thanks to Hans Derschwam.
>
>From a 1553-1555 account:
>
>Rice boiled in honey-water.  Throw saffron on it, and sprinkle with
>almonds roasted in fat.
>
>It is REALLY REALLY good.  I'll be making it for the class I'm teaching
>this weekend.

First, am i correct in assuming that by "Turkish" you actually mean "Ottoman"?

There are a number of other Turkic peoples who are extremely
important within SCA period, and the Ottomans show up rather late, by
comparison. Other "Turks" include but are not limited to the Seljuqs,
the Buyyids, the Mamluks, the Aqqoyunli, the Uighur - some are
earlier than the Ottomans and others were around at the same time.

Second... what is the source of this info... Is Hans Derschwam an
author, an SCA period traveller, another SCAdian persona?

I am very interested in food history, and i want more! more!
--
Urtatim, formerly Anahita

Urtatim asked:
>  First, am i correct in assuming that by "Turkish" you actually
> mean "Ottoman"?
>
>  There are a number of other Turkic peoples who are extremely
>  important within SCA period, and the Ottomans show up rather late, by
>  comparison. Other "Turks" include but are not limited to the
> Seljuqs,
>  the Buyyids, the Mamluks, the Aqqoyunli, the Uighur - some are
>  earlier than the Ottomans and others were around at the same time.
>
>  Second... what is the source of this info... Is Hans Derschwam an
>  author, an SCA period traveller, another SCAdian persona?

Most likely Ottoman.  After 1524, the battle of Mohacs, the Ottomans had
overrun much of transylvania and up towards Hungary (that's why I cut off
my persona at 1524).  Hans Derschwam was a well-educated (Had a Bachelor's
in Philosophy from the University in Wien (back when a BA got you
somewhere), well-connected (he worked for Anton Fugger) person who
travelled to Hungary and Constantinople between 1553 and 1555.  The
document is his journal, which has been transcribed, though still in
medieval German.  As I get sections of the book translated into English,
I'll be making them available.  I'll also be at either the next Middle
Kingdom, or Known Worlde Cook's Symposium talking about the document.
There are comments on clothing too though that I hope to provide to
people, like that the Turks, according to Derschwam, all kept a spoon on
their belt for eating yogurt (which he, by the by, REALLY didn't like).

Hope this helps.

Cu drag,
Bogdan
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Heilveil, Ph.D.
Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Biological Sciences
North Dakota State University
Stevens Hall
Fargo, ND 58105
jeffrey.heilveil@...

It isn't mine, or I'd claim it. ;-)


I've previously noticed that doctors caring for plague victims in the mid-14th
century would wear long, conical masks over their faces. It seems to me that the
bascinets with the long, conical visors appear after the outbreak of the Bubonic
plague in wsetern Europe. So, I'm entertaining a theory that these visors were
deliberately made to look like plague masks, sort of as a psychological symbol
of death. This is (loosely) supported by the fact that many forms of art took a
morbid turn in the years following the plague.

Thoughts?

~Wil
So, how about it?  Any ideas?  I'm skeptical.

Alcyoneus


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I had a sneaky suspition that's what we were talking about. I have,
oh, maybe twenty pounds of the stuff laying around my house right
this minute. Having never made anything with boning, I'm only
guessing here, but I would think you'd have lots and lots left over
from the coil when you were done. When you do decide to break down
and buy some, let me know. I can either just mail you some that I
have (if I have the right size at the right time) or direct you to
one of my online suppliers, where you'll save some cash.

Norelle, whose eyes always bug out of her head when she see anyone
selling/buying reed for more than six bucks a pound


>
> See www.caning.com. Kass said she used the 1mm in bunches for one
> corset, and 2 lengths of 1/4" split for another.
>
> My calculations indicate that the 1/4 part of the narrow foot om my
> sewing machine will make channels which will hold a 5/32 diameter
> cane, (doing this from memory, I think that's right) so that's
> probably what I'll be getting.
>
> Gillian (who really needs to quit using purchases as an excuse for
> not getting off *her* lazy rear, and start *making* something)
Durham

Well, the obvious reason to wear a pig-face or hounskull visored
bascinet is in order to cause face thrusts to glace off.  It's much
more difficult to get a spearpoint or arrows to "stick" in the
vulnerable facial area if there's a point out front causing it to
glance.

   As to the masks worn by the plague doctors, I'm no expert, but I
think the "typical" bird-mask type costume you make reference to is a
much later invention.  The most common engraving I've seen is that by
Paul Furst and is dated 1656.  If that is the first appearance of the
bird mask, then it would rule out the connection between that and the
hounskull bascinet of the mid to late 14th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Doktorschnabel_430px.jpg

    ~Matthaeus

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Lauterbach" <mllaut@w...>
wrote:
>   Well, the obvious reason to wear a pig-face or hounskull visored
> bascinet is in order to cause face thrusts to glace off.  It's much
> more difficult to get a spearpoint or arrows to "stick" in the
> vulnerable facial area if there's a point out front causing it to
> glance.

Or those pesky war swords being aimed at your face, like the
fechtbuchs show...

M/D

Is anyone on this list from the London area planning on attending the
War of the Roses event in June?  My wife's apprentice is planning on
being there and would feel better not being totally lost and alone :)

If so, please contact me privately.

Marc/Diarmaid

At 2:20 PM -0700 4/7/05, Park McKellop wrote (quoting somebody else):
>I've previously noticed that doctors caring for plague victims in
>the mid-14th century would wear long, conical masks over their
>faces. It seems to me that the bascinets with the long, conical
>visors appear after the outbreak of the Bubonic plague in wsetern
>Europe. So, I'm entertaining a theory that these visors were
>deliberately made to look like plague masks, sort of as a
>psychological symbol of death. This is (loosely) supported by the
>fact that many forms of art took a morbid turn in the years
>following the plague.

I suspect the development of conical visors is due primarily to
physics: that is, armor designers figuring out the physical
advantages of the design with regard to effective protection. (An
arrow shot at a cone is less likely to penetrate than the same arrow
shot at a flat surface of the same material and thickness. The arrow
is also less likely to penetrate a cone than a merely curved surface,
especially the more the cone's point is toward the source of the
arrow. Who says Physics 101 isn't any use to a medievalist? ;-)

Affrick
--
Sharon L. Krossa, skrossa-ml@...

In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:39:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lilinah@... writes:


> Second... what is the source of this info... Is Hans Derschwam an
> author, an SCA period traveller, another SCAdian persona?

Derschwam travelled in Ottoman areas during the 1500s. He comments on Jewish
women's costume of the period, which is where I recall his name from.

Raquel
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It's not really a "hat" if you mean the pointy thing.  It's just the way
that the hood is cut.  I expect that the point flopped over to the side when
it was actually worn.  I think they have drawings of it on the donor
somewhere on the site.

Regina


   That's the one I was thinking of! Thanks for the link.
   What I *really* love is the hat...


   Lady Kateryn Rous, CP
   House Broussard
   Windmasters Hill
   http://sca.livingpast.com


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Okay, names people.  I've got a question for you.  Can you tell me what
Kennsington (now part of London) was like at the end of Elizabeth's reign?  I'm
basically trying to figure out what class or type of people lived there (if
any), if it was
a fashionable place or a nasty place or somewhere in between, etc.

Bonus points if you can also tell me what Kennsington was like circa 1642.  =)

Discuss!

Kass

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Kass McGann" <historian@r...>
wrote:
> Okay, names people.  I've got a question for you.  Can you tell me
> what Kennsington (now part of London) was like at the end of
> Elizabeth's reign?  I'm basically trying to figure out what class or
> type of people lived there (if any), if it was a fashionable place or
> a nasty place or somewhere in between, etc.

Off hand I'd say, a mix...

Marc/Diarmaid


From the 1868 Gazetteer
KENSINGTON, a parish and populous suburban district of London, in the
Kensington division of the hundred of Ossulstone, county Middlesex, 4
miles W.S.W. of St. Paul's, London. It includes the populous
neighbourhoods of Brompton, Earl's Court, Norland, Notting Hill, with
parts of Little Chelsea, and Kensall Green.
It was anciently an inconsiderable village, and is mentioned in
Domesday Survey as Chenesitune, at which time it was possessed by
Aubrey de Vere. Foxes were hunted herein the end of the 18th century.
In the 16th and 17th centuries several mansions were erected,
including Holland House, built by Sir Walter Cope, and enlarged by
Inigo Jones; Campden House, erected by Baptist Hicks, Viscount
Campden, and recently burnt; Hale House, once the residence of Oliver
Cromwell; and Kensington Palace, originally the seat of the Finches,
earls of Nottingham, but subsequently purchased by King William III.,
and converted into a royal palace.


From the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea website
(http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/OurHistory/OurTimeLine/results.asp)
43   The Romans invade Britain. The analysis of Roman pottery found at
sites in Kensington and Southwark which dates from around 43 AD
suggest a Roman presence in the area at this time. It could possibly
indicate the start of a new settlement which the Romans called
"'Londinium".
1066  Kensington appears in the Domesday book as an area of manors
granted to Aubrey de Vere
1155  Earl's Court - elevation of the de Vere family to the Earldom of
Oxford led people to begin referring to the Manor's court house as
Earl's Court
1290  Chelchurche of All Saints mentioned in Papal letters
1466  Crosby Hall built in London.
1520  Thomas More built a house on the site of the present Beaufort
Street.
1536  Thomas More beheaded and Henry V111 acquired the Manor of
Chelsea from Lord Sandys and built himself a new mansion there.
1593  Sir H. Knyvet was set upon by a gang while crossing a bridge
over the River Westbourne. According to a report by a Mr Norden, Sir
Knyvet did "slewe the master theefe with his owne handes." The area
has been known since as Knightsbridge. At that time, Knightsbridge was
renowned as a haunt of thieves and highwaymen and as a place to duel,
to watch cockfights and bull and bear-baiting.
1604  Holland House - Sir Walter Cope begins building work on `Cope's
Castle' - renamed Holland House in 1661. The 500 acre estate in which
it stood stretched from Holland Park Avenue to the current site of
Earl's Court tube station.
1655  Jane Cavandish married Charles Cheyne and they bought Henry
VIII's new manor house and renamed it Chelsea Place.

Historical Sketch
Domesday Book

Both, Kensington and Chelsea originated as Saxon settlements. The
origins of the name Chelsea are uncertain. One theory is that the name
comes from an old Anglo-Saxon word for gravel bank and as Chelsea lies
on gravel this does seem plausible. Kensington is generally thought to
be derived from `Cynesige's farm'.

Chelsea is the first to appear in historical documents. It is
mentioned in an eighth century charter but Kensington and Chelsea both
show up in the Domesday Book (1086). Kensington is described as one of
the manors granted to an Aubrey de Vere, while Chelsea was owned by
one Edward of Salisbury.

In subsequent centuries, the Manor of Chelsea passed through various
hands but the de Vere family, remained Lords of the Manor of
Kensington until the 16th century. The elevation of the De Veres to
the Earldom of Oxford in 1155 led people to begin referring to the
Manor's court house as the Earl's Court. The court house stood in the
heart of the area which now carries its name. Earl's Court is perhaps
best known today for its international exhibition centre and concert
venue. The art deco exhibition centre opened in 1937. It stands on the
site of the Earl's Court Exhibition Ground, which from 1887 until the
Great War, hosted a string of spectacular events including Buffalo
Bill Cody's Wild West Show.
top of page
Cope's Castle

One of Kensington's earliest inhabitants of note was Sir Walter Cope,
a favourite of James I. In 1604 Sir Walter began work on his great
mansion, Cope's Castle. Renamed Holland House in 1661, the house
became a glittering literary and political salon. The house and
gardens today form London's most beautiful public space, Holland Park.

Royalty took up residence in Kensington in 1689 when William III moved
into Kensington Palace. The presence of the royal court was a sharp
spur to development. Beautiful Kensington Square, which dates from
this time, was a failing venture until the arrival of courtiers
looking for homes to rent close to the Palace.

By 1704 a John Bowack was able to write that Kensington was 'inhabited
by Gentry and Persons of Note: There is also an abundance of
Shopkeepers and all sorts of Artificers in it, which makes it appear
rather like part of London, than a Country Village.'

First census

The first census in 1801 describes Kensington as an area of 2,300
acres with a population of 8,500 and Chelsea as an area of 660 acres
with a population of 11,600. The 1831 census shows Chelsea maintaining
its population lead over significantly larger Kensington - 32,371
against 20,902. Not until 1861 were the positions reversed with
Kensington showing an amazing increase in population between 1851 and
1871 from 44,053 to 120,299.

Thank you, Marc.  That's just what I was looking for!
Kass

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Carlson" <marccarlson20@h...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Kass McGann" <historian@r...>
> wrote:
> > Okay, names people.  I've got a question for you.  Can you tell me
> > what Kennsington (now part of London) was like at the end of
> > Elizabeth's reign?  I'm basically trying to figure out what class or
> > type of people lived there (if any), if it was a fashionable place or
> > a nasty place or somewhere in between, etc.
>
> Off hand I'd say, a mix...
>
> Marc/Diarmaid
<snipped>

Bogdan wrote:
>Most likely Ottoman.  After 1524, the battle of Mohacs, the Ottomans had
>overrun much of transylvania and up towards Hungary (that's why I cut off
>my persona at 1524).

Yeah, in this case clearly Ottoman. Thanks for letting me know.

I have this *thing* about the words "Turk" or "Turkish" as used by
many SCAdians. Since there are, as i mentioned, a number of other
significant Turkic peoples in SCA period, just saying "Turkish" is
really not very meaningful in e-mail unless the context is clear, and
in my experience, it rarely is. Naturally, once i have context the
use becomes clear, such as in the case you mention.

>Hans Derschwam was a well-educated (Had a Bachelor's
>in Philosophy from the University in Wien (back when a BA got you
>somewhere), well-connected (he worked for Anton Fugger) person who
>travelled to Hungary and Constantinople between 1553 and 1555.  The
>document is his journal, which has been transcribed, though still in
>medieval German.  As I get sections of the book translated into English,
>I'll be making them available.

Cool. I look forward to the information. Where/how will you be making
this accessible?

>I'll also be at either the next Middle Kingdom,
>or Known Worlde Cook's Symposium talking about the document.

When and where will the Cooks' Symposium be?

>There are comments on clothing too though that I hope to provide to
>people, like that the Turks, according to Derschwam, all kept a spoon on
>their belt for eating yogurt (which he, by the by, REALLY didn't like).

OK, did he mean "all Turks" or did he really mean "Turkish men"? I
have noticed that literature written by male authors in SCA-period
that i have read tends to say "all so-and-sos did this", when, in
fact, the male authors are referring to males of the ethnic or
cultural group under discussion. Then there may be a few comments
thrown in about women elsewhere.

I'm not trying to get feminist here, i just want clarity. I have
found the same thing even in a lot of 20th c. scholarly literature,
including that written by women. All too often when talking about
clothing they'll say "so-and-sos wore this", when they're really
talking about an item limited to male usage. Then eventually i'll
discover some comment about women's clothing that makes it clear
women did not wear "this".

No painting i've seen of Ottoman women shows them wearing a spoon.
But a spoon certainly seems to be part of the outfit of the Ottoman
military, to the point that some Janissaries wore a spoon in their
headdress, and a *really big* spoon was essentially the insignia of
office of the man charged with making the meat-grain porridge that
filled the stomachs of the army.

So is Derschwan talking about all Turks he saw, or just Turkish men
(who may well be all the Turks he saw)?
--
Urtatim, formerly Anahita

You may have heard about the "Million Books Project", which aims to
digitize millions of out-of-copyright books over the next couple of
years, and make them available for free on the Internet. They have
about 20,000 books scanned.

I have started an index of books within this project which are of
interest to SCAdians. This is done using some scripts similar to
my existing index of interesting books from the "Online Books Page".
So far there are 360 books on this list. It can be found at:

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/millionbooks/

Alas, the metadata for this collection doesn't include any subject
info, so the list is totally unorganized. But there are some gems
hiding in there:

A History of War - The Middle Ages from the Fourth to the Fourteenth
Century by Oman, Charles

A bunch of non-Shakespearian Elizabethan drama

The Shirburn ballads, 1585-1616 by Andrew Clark

Popular Music Of The Olden Time by William Chappell

Contrapuntal Technique In The Sixteenth Century by R. O. Morris

I will update this roughly monthly.

-- greg

--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, lilinah@e... wrote:
> Yeah, in this case clearly Ottoman. Thanks for letting me know.
>
> I have this *thing* about the words "Turk" or "Turkish" as used by
> many SCAdians. Since there are, as i mentioned, a number of other
> significant Turkic peoples in SCA period, just saying "Turkish" is
> really not very meaningful in e-mail unless the context is clear, and
> in my experience, it rarely is. Naturally, once i have context the
> use becomes clear, such as in the case you mention.
>

Jerusha (the culturally illiterate) sees a faint glimmer of light!
I bet this is like the whole "Celtic" thing, isn't it.  Can you
either elucidate a tad more on the whole Turkic (intersting word,
there) thing -- or point me in the direction of some reference
material that I might educate myself!

Thanks,
Jerusha

For someone who takes their garb seriously, I feel like a total noob,
but oh well.  Perhaps this has already been addressed a gazillion times
before, but in any case, I'd just like a bit of clarification.  I was
just browsing the net and it occurred to me that while leather forearm
bracers are all the rage at ren faires, tv shows, movies, and that sort
of thing (and granter, are useful for archers and their ilk), I don't
think I've ever actually seen examples of bracers or cuffs in period.
Is this just another medievaloid type development like the ring belt,
or is there some evidence of their existance prior to 1600?  Thanks!
    Matthaeus

Dear Listers, especially those of you who are knowledgable about early SCA
history and "founder-members", -

  I have become aware that several of my favourite Sci-Fi and Fantasy authors
were/ are members of the Society, - [MZB, for one]; - and having just re-read
"King David's Space Ship" [Pournelle] and then "Glory Road"[Heinlein] -- can
anyone satisfy my curiosity as to whether the late, great, Robert Heinlein or
Jerry Pournelle were SCAdians?
God's Benison upon you and your Houses, this Feast of St. Demetrius.





Yours in service,
Julian Wilson,
[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey,
1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"]
late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to
"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards",
[the only medieval living-history Group
in "olde" Jersey]
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Heinlein certainly was not, and I don't think Pournelle was either.
Poul Anderson was, though, as was Katherine Kurtz (who was an early
Queen of the West).  And I believe Robert Asprin is still at least
somewhat active.

Sarah Davies

-----Original Message-----
From: julian wilson <smnco37@...>
To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:39:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Authentic_SCA] SCAdian authors?



Dear Listers, especially those of you who are knowledgable about early
SCA
history and "founder-members", -

   I have become aware that several of my favourite Sci-Fi and Fantasy
authors
were/ are members of the Society, - [MZB, for one]; - and having just
re-read
"King David's Space Ship" [Pournelle] and then "Glory Road"[Heinlein]
-- can
anyone satisfy my curiosity as to whether the late, great, Robert
Heinlein or
Jerry Pournelle were SCAdians?
God's Benison upon you and your Houses, this Feast of St. Demetrius.





Yours in service,
Julian Wilson,
[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of
Jersey,
1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"]
late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to
"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards",
[the only medieval living-history Group
in "olde" Jersey]
Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, kittencat3@a... wrote:
> Heinlein certainly was not, and I don't think Pournelle was either...

If I'm not mistaken, Pournelle was "Jerome Robert McKenna" back in yon
olden days.  I could be wrong, though, since I wasn't there.

Marc/Diarmaid

This looks like a fine resource!  (though I don't see my favorite A & S
technical book there. :- I always wondered if someone webbed it yet or if
someone currently owns a copyright on it)

Permission to forward your posting below to others interested such as
Baronial lists and publications?

Thank you.

Darcellena
Midrealm Baronial MOAS




>
> You may have heard about the "Million Books Project", which aims to
> digitize millions of out-of-copyright books over the next couple of
> years, and make them available for free on the Internet. They have
> about 20,000 books scanned.
>
> I have started an index of books within this project which are of
> interest to SCAdians. This is done using some scripts similar to
> my existing index of interesting books from the "Online Books Page".
> So far there are 360 books on this list. It can be found at:
>
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/millionbooks/
>
> Alas, the metadata for this collection doesn't include any subject
> info, so the list is totally unorganized. But there are some gems
> hiding in there:
>
> A History of War - The Middle Ages from the Fourth to the Fourteenth
> Century by Oman, Charles
>
> A bunch of non-Shakespearian Elizabethan drama
>
> The Shirburn ballads, 1585-1616 by Andrew Clark
>
> Popular Music Of The Olden Time by William Chappell
>
> Contrapuntal Technique In The Sixteenth Century by R. O. Morris
>
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Jerome Robert McKenna was Jerry Pournelle's SCA name.
Heinlein knew about and was on the West Kingdom mailing list for years, but
allegedly never came to an SCA event.
Asprin used to be Yang the Nauseating, but left the SCA many years ago in
high dugeon, and has not returned.
Karen Anderson was Karina of the Far West, a long time Laurel Queen of
Arms.  She moved to Caid a couple of years ago from the West.
Adrienne Martine Barnes was the first Queen of the East, as Adrienne of Toledo.
Randall Garrett was Randall of Hightower.
Diana Listmaker was Diana Paxson, sometimes known as Diana Paxson
Studebaker, at whose home the first event took place.
MZB was Elfrida of Greenwalls.
Poul Anderson was Sir Bela of Eastmarch, one of the few but notable Knights
of the Silver Molet in the West.
Esther Freisner was Ursula de Santiago y Galiciano.
Patricia Kenneally (Morrison) was Lasarina Douglas of Strathearn.
Rick Cook was Count Richard Ironsteed, from Atenveldt.
Paul Edwin Zimmer (MZB's brother) was Edwin Bersark.
Dorothy J. Heydt was Dorothea of Caer Paravel, later Dorothea of Caer Myrddin.
Mary Monica Pulver was an active participant, but I can't remember her SCA
name.  It is my understanding that she lived in the Midrealm.
DC Fontana, ditto.  I met her in my earliest days in the SCA, in the Single
Digit Years.
Bjo Trimble is Mistress Flavia Beatricia Carmignano, formerly Bjo of
Griffin.  She is still quite active in Caid.
Gordon R. Dickson was Kenneth of Otterbourn--he used to get blisteringly
drunk with my first husband and a number of the individuals listed above.
Leslie Fish went by the name Leslie the Bard.
Master Lester of Rive Rouge was Lester del Rey's SCA name.


I've met most of these folks over the years, although not all.  I've lost
touch with most.  Many of them, unfortunately have either passed on or left
the SCA by other means.  My apologies if I've spelled anything wrong or
misattributed or left off titles.

I'm sure it's not a comprehensive list, but it's a start.  20 ain't bad.

Mary Taran

At 08:54 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote:


>Heinlein certainly was not, and I don't think Pournelle was either.
>Poul Anderson was, though, as was Katherine Kurtz (who was an early
>Queen of the West).  And I believe Robert Asprin is still at least
>somewhat active.
>
>Sarah Davies
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: julian wilson <smnco37@...>
>To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:39:46 +0100 (BST)
>Subject: [Authentic_SCA] SCAdian authors?
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>
>
>Dear Listers, especially those of you who are knowledgable about early
>SCA
>history and "founder-members", -
>
>   I have become aware that several of my favourite Sci-Fi and Fantasy
>authors
>were/ are members of the Society, - [MZB, for one]; - and having just
>re-read
>"King David's Space Ship" [Pournelle] and then "Glory Road"[Heinlein]
>-- can
>anyone satisfy my curiosity as to whether the late, great, Robert
>Heinlein or
>Jerry Pournelle were SCAdians?
>God's Benison upon you and your Houses, this Feast of St. Demetrius.
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>
>Yours in service,
>Julian Wilson,
>[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of
>Jersey,
>1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"]
>late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to
>"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards",
>[the only medieval living-history Group
>in "olde" Jersey]
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 01:01:19AM -0400, Darcellena@... wrote:

> Permission to forward your posting below to others interested such as
> Baronial lists and publications?

Certainly, although if they've never heard of my online books page,
you might want to mention it first.

http://AandS.org/onlinebooks.html

I'd hate to have them see my newest and ugliest resource first!

-- Gregory

Hi, I'm trying to entice more people to the dark side of authentic costuming.

Can anyone provide a period model (preferably a modern recreation, as
period manuscripts are often difficult for the beginner to interpret,
however much i prrefer them) that has as many as possible of the
following features:

a knee lengthish t-tunic
in a pretty brocade fabric (important I think),
preferably with a centre (or side at a pinch) slit in the skirt
lots of glitzy gold trim, especially at the bottom edge.
a stand up collar would be nice (not that I've really seen any this early)
preferably worn with very tall boots  (yes I know.  I'm probably saved
by the fact he doesn't have long boots) and a decorated leather belt
preferably a style that would be worn with a half circle cloak


I do have plenty of inspiration for this project - a fair idea of some
styles that would look nice,  etc.  It's not that I'm looking for -
it's especially pictures I can show a newcomer so they know it will
turn out nicely if they choose a more period style.

Thanks muchly,
Teffania
(who just looked at some of her period manuscript collection and
realised how ajusted her eyes are and how alien it would look to a
newcomer)

Lester del Rey was in SCA???  Good heavens, I never knew that.  Ditto
Jerry Pournelle.

Y'know, someday someone's going to write a doctoral thesis about the
influence of the SCA on fantasy/SF of the late 20th/early 21st
centuries...

Sarah Davies


-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Taran <marytaran@...>
To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:03:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] SCAdian authors?


Jerome Robert McKenna was Jerry Pournelle's SCA name.
Heinlein knew about and was on the West Kingdom mailing list for years,
but
allegedly never came to an SCA event.
Asprin used to be Yang the Nauseating, but left the SCA many years ago
in
high dugeon, and has not returned.
Karen Anderson was Karina of the Far West, a long time Laurel Queen of
Arms.  She moved to Caid a couple of years ago from the West.
Adrienne Martine Barnes was the first Queen of the East, as Adrienne of
Toledo.
Randall Garrett was Randall of Hightower.
Diana Listmaker was Diana Paxson, sometimes known as Diana Paxson
Studebaker, at whose home the first event took place.
MZB was Elfrida of Greenwalls.
Poul Anderson was Sir Bela of Eastmarch, one of the few but notable
Knights
of the Silver Molet in the West.
Esther Freisner was Ursula de Santiago y Galiciano.
Patricia Kenneally (Morrison) was Lasarina Douglas of Strathearn.
Rick Cook was Count Richard Ironsteed, from Atenveldt.
Paul Edwin Zimmer (MZB's brother) was Edwin Bersark.
Dorothy J. Heydt was Dorothea of Caer Paravel, later Dorothea of Caer
Myrddin.
Mary Monica Pulver was an active participant, but I can't remember her
SCA
name.  It is my understanding that she lived in the Midrealm.
DC Fontana, ditto.  I met her in my earliest days in the SCA, in the
Single
Digit Years.
Bjo Trimble is Mistress Flavia Beatricia Carmignano, formerly Bjo of
Griffin.  She is still quite active in Caid.
Gordon R. Dickson was Kenneth of Otterbourn--he used to get
blisteringly
drunk with my first husband and a number of the individuals listed
above.
Leslie Fish went by the name Leslie the Bard.
Master Lester of Rive Rouge was Lester del Rey's SCA name.


I've met most of these folks over the years, although not all.  I've
lost
touch with most.  Many of them, unfortunately have either passed on or
left
the SCA by other means.  My apologies if I've spelled anything wrong or
misattributed or left off titles.

I'm sure it's not a comprehensive list, but it's a start.  20 ain't bad.

Mary Taran

At 08:54 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote:


>Heinlein certainly was not, and I don't think Pournelle was either.
>Poul Anderson was, though, as was Katherine Kurtz (who was an early
>Queen of the West).  And I believe Robert Asprin is still at least
>somewhat active.
>
>Sarah Davies
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: julian wilson <smnco37@...>
>To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:39:46 +0100 (BST)
>Subject: [Authentic_SCA] SCAdian authors?
>
>
>
>Dear Listers, especially those of you who are knowledgable about early
>SCA
>history and "founder-members", -
>
>   I have become aware that several of my favourite Sci-Fi and Fantasy
>authors
>were/ are members of the Society, - [MZB, for one]; - and having just
>re-read
>"King David's Space Ship" [Pournelle] and then "Glory Road"[Heinlein]
>-- can
>anyone satisfy my curiosity as to whether the late, great, Robert
>Heinlein or
>Jerry Pournelle were SCAdians?
>God's Benison upon you and your Houses, this Feast of St. Demetrius.
>
>
>
>
>
>Yours in service,
>Julian Wilson,
>[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of
>Jersey,
>1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"]
>late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to
>"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards",
>[the only medieval living-history Group
>in "olde" Jersey]
>Send instant messages to your online friends
>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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