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#5134 From: AncientTactics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 9:44 pm
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#5133 From: <marco_pertoni@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: ARCHAELOGY: BURIED CITY FOUND BY ITALIANS IN LIBYA 		marco_pertoni
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ARCHAELOGY: BURIED CITY FOUND BY ITALIANS IN LIBYA
 
(ANSAmed) - PALERMO, DECEMBER 4 - A buried city from the Roman era has been discovered by Italian archaeologists in Libya along the eastern coast of Cyrenaica. The area has been located between the cities of Derna and Bomba, not far from Tobruk. The discovery was made by Italian archaeologists and technical experts from the Sicily region Sea Superintendence and the Suor Orsola Benincasa University in Naples under Sebastiano Tusa. The group is carrying out archaeological searches along the African coastline as part of the ArCoLibia (Coastal Archaeology of Libya) project, which was started a few years ago and which has already led to such exceptional finds as that of the Venetian ship "Tigre", which had sunk off the cape of Ras al-Hilal. The first traces of the buried city were found during reconnaissance diving in the waters of Ras Etteen. The archaeologists were searching for shipwrecks and port structures on the western edge of the Gulf of Bomba. They found walls, roads, buildings and tombs at a depth of between one and three metres. It is a portion which extends over a hectare of a large city which some of the scholars had intuited the presence of due to the remains of wall structures hidden among the sandy dunes hit by strong winds. It is believed that a large part of the city sunk due to a large bradyseism. Initial morphological analysis showed that changes to the area were macroscopic even in recent times, and the ruins found at the bottom of the sea are part of a city existing in the Imperial Roman era during the second century AD. (ANSAmed).
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#5132 From: George T <pj2105@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:41 am
Subject: Re: *AncientTactics* Re: Greek (military if possible) terms 		pj2105
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Surely kopIs means 'cut', not 'slash'.
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From: miltos75 <miltos75@yahoo. com>
Subject: *AncientTactics* Re: Greek (military if possible) terms
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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:00 PM

  ....
> 3. slash:

slash of a sword: "kOpsimo" (hence the "kopIs")

The term "Slash" has been a source of some confusion IMO.  For instance in A Book of Five Rings Musahi is translated as saying something to the effect of "cut your oponnent don't just slash him".  It may depend a lot on what you consider a "slash" to be.  My interpretation is a cut with a significant amount of movement of the edge parallel to the surface being cut as opposed to a chop  where the blade motion is almost all perpedicular to what's being cut.  The "kopls" appears to me to be more of a chopping weapon than a slashing one but I could be wrong in this regards either by use or defintion.


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#5131 From: Lee Dowd <leewdowd@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 3:49 pm
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From: miltos75 <miltos75@...>
Subject: *AncientTactics* Re: Greek (military if possible) terms
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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:00 PM

  ....
> 3. slash:

slash of a sword: "kOpsimo" (hence the "kopIs")

The term "Slash" has been a source of some confusion IMO.  For instance in A Book of Five Rings Musahi is translated as saying something to the effect of "cut your oponnent don't just slash him".  It may depend a lot on what you consider a "slash" to be.  My interpretation is a cut with a significant amount of movement of the edge parallel to the surface being cut as opposed to a chop  where the blade motion is almost all perpedicular to what's being cut.  The "kopls" appears to me to be more of a chopping weapon than a slashing one but I could be wrong in this regards either by use or defintion.


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#5130 From: "atamanleader" <atamanleader@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:16 pm
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#5129 From: AncientTactics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:42 pm
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#5128 From: <marco_pertoni@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: Italy: DNA tests to track 'real Venetians' 		marco_pertoni
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Italy: DNA tests to track 'real Venetians'




Venice, 12 Nov. (AKI) - A United States-based scientific and educational institution as well as a university have launched a joint-project aimed at discovering the genetic code of the dwindling residents of the northern Italian city of Venice, Italian media reported on Thursday.

A voluntary DNA test to be carried out by researchers from the National Geographic Society and the Worcester Polytechnic Institute will attempt to track down Venice's original residents in order to ensure the continuity of their genetic code.

The researchers are also looking to confirm or reject theories regarding the origins of the citizens of Venice, as well as their spread in the European continent and settlement in Venice.

The DNA test will only be performed on men - of any age or social status - as long as they claim to be Venetians whose families have come from Venice for at least two generations.

The test - which will be a saliva test - will take place during the so-called 'Funeral of Venice' on 14 November.

The 'funeral' is an initiative sponsored by the website Venessia.com, a group whose aim is to draw attention to the city's constantly declining population. This now stands at 59,992 residents.

A number of at least 60,000 residents is considered the 'vital minimum' to sustain the city.

The DNA project researchers will remain in Venice until mid-December.
 
 
 
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#5127 From: "George" <pj2105@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:19 am
Subject: Vanished Persian Army Said Found in Desert 		pj2105
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#5126 From: "miltos75" <miltos75@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Dory and Dorian 		miltos75
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Hi george.

I believe the Greek word dory is spelled with Omikron while the greek word for
the Dorians (Dorieis) is spelled with an Omega. Thus, the root of the two words
is different (their pronounciation was also different back then most probably).

According to mythology the Dorians got their name from their 1st king Doros (who
is also spelled with an omega). The origin of the name probably lies in the word
Doro which means gift / present. If you look up the etymology of a more popular
name like Polydoros for instance, the "doros" part does indeed stem from the
gift word.

Cheers,

M


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> Does anybody know if the Dorians from ancient Greece are named or is linked to
the Greek spear the Dory?
>
> Or is it just a coincidence?
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> gt
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#5125 From: "George" <pj2105@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:44 pm
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Does anybody know if the Dorians from ancient Greece are named or is linked to
the Greek spear the Dory?

Or is it just a coincidence?

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#5124 From: "miltos75" <miltos75@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Greek (military if possible) terms 		miltos75
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--- In AncientTactics@yahoogroups.com, "barrycjacobsen" <hyperbarry@...> wrote:
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> I am hoping someone could provide the Greek (military if possible)
> terms for the following words, English translation (please not in Greek):
>


I have used vowels in CAPS to show you where the sress is when u pronounce the
word.

Also, treat vowels like its Latin: The "I" sounds like the english E and the "E"
sounds like the english short E like in the word PEST.

Here goes:


> 1. shield: (aspis?)

Yes "aspIs" would be the most common. Other words have been used also, depending
on time and/or place. "ThyreOs" is a popular one (thyreophoroi = shield
bearers). (h)Oplon, though it referred to the aspis, it literally meant arm. So
a hoplite is someone who bears arms, not just a shield.



>
> 2. thrust:
>

thrust of a sword or spear: "kArfoma"

the thrust fwd of a unit however would be called "Othisi" (hence the "othismOs"
of the phalanx)

> 3. slash:

slash of a sword: "kOpsimo" (hence the "kopIs")

>
> 4. posture, ready position:
>

"prosochI"

> 5. greaves:

"periknimIdes" the most common ancient. "EpikalamIdes" today (football gear).

>
> 6. advance:
>

"Othisi", "proOthisi"

> 7. retreat:

"ypochOrisi"

>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Barry Jacobsen
>

Cheers,

M

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Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:44 pm
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