Has anyone from Michigan built one of these boats?? Sounds like a good project
to get me thru the winter blahs......Randy

Today transferred using carbon paper the 5 stations and transom to poster board.
Have ordered my spruce and ash plus have enough Okume left over from my last
project to provide me with sufficient good quality marine ply to finish the
project.  Will post periodically with a pix or two.

good evening,

I am planing to build a snowshoe for some daytrips on austrian rivers next
summer but I am uncertain of the size.

Load will be two guys with around 100kg plus gear, I wonder if the snowshoe 14
will be enough? Is there any body around who is using a SS 14 as a tandem?

BTW is a gaboat sturdy enouth to be transported on a carroof at speed?

Thank you for your help!

Martin

Linz/Austria

no.
  look at the specs. the SS 14 is rated at 400 pounds. you didn't say how heavy
the two guys are, but if they are 200 pounds each, that is over the limit of the
boat right there. 100 kg is another 220 pounds.
  even the SS Traveler 16 is rated at 600 pounds, so would be inadequate for your
needs.
  you will be more informed before asking more questions if you first read some
of the recent archives here and examine the specs at
<http://gaboats.com/boats/>. there have been discussions here on the relative
merits, like capacity and stability of the different models.
  you might be able to scale up one of the designs to meet your needs, but it
doesn't look like there is a canoe big enough here.
  as far as cartopping, i haven't heard of any problems.
bill keiser


  "martin_simion" <martin_simion@...> wrote:
>
> good evening,
>
> I am planing to build a snowshoe for some daytrips on austrian rivers next
summer but I am uncertain of the size.
>
> Load will be two guys with around 100kg plus gear, I wonder if the snowshoe 14
will be enough? Is there any body around who is using a SS 14 as a tandem?
>
> BTW is a gaboat sturdy enouth to be transported on a carroof at speed?
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
> Martin
>
> Linz/Austria
>

I obviously didn`t make myself clear, I ment 2 guys 100 kilos each plus gear.
This should be about 450 to 500 Pounds in total.
I already looked at the specs but want to hear some first hand knowledge as I am
not willing to spent money and, more important, time to end up with a boat that
is to small for two.

On the other hand I dont want to go too big because of carrying and
transportation issues.

Anyway, thank you for your reply, any more thoughts are appreciated,

martin

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, "sharpstik" <bk2@...> wrote:
>
>  no.
>  look at the specs. the SS 14 is rated at 400 pounds. you didn't say how heavy
the two guys are, but if they are 200 pounds each, that is over the limit of the
boat right there. 100 kg is another 220 pounds.
>  even the SS Traveler 16 is rated at 600 pounds, so would be inadequate for
your needs.
>  you will be more informed before asking more questions if you first read some
of the recent archives here and examine the specs at
<http://gaboats.com/boats/>. there have been discussions here on the relative
merits, like capacity and stability of the different models.
>  you might be able to scale up one of the designs to meet your needs, but it
doesn't look like there is a canoe big enough here.
>  as far as cartopping, i haven't heard of any problems.
> bill keiser
>
>
>  "martin_simion" <martin_simion@> wrote:
> >
> > good evening,
> >
> > I am planing to build a snowshoe for some daytrips on austrian rivers next
summer but I am uncertain of the size.
> >
> > Load will be two guys with around 100kg plus gear, I wonder if the snowshoe
14 will be enough? Is there any body around who is using a SS 14 as a tandem?
> >
> > BTW is a gaboat sturdy enouth to be transported on a carroof at speed?
> >
> > Thank you for your help!
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Linz/Austria
> >
>

Hi Martin,

I've had some experience two-up in a Snowshoe14. We were 90kg and tall (185cm),
100kg and shorter (170cm). We only ever paddled it on a lake and never took
anything other than a couple of drink bottles. It was warm so we weren't
excessively dressed. We had freeboard down to the top stringer at midships. The
balance was fine with the forward thwart on the second rib forward from the
centre line and the rear thwart 5 ribs back. There wasn't much room for gear. It
would have to be packed in small bags and "spread" around. I'd say that unless
you were only travelling on flat water, and were REALLY friendly with your mate,
then trying to do what you want in a Snowshoe14 will be more of an adventure
rather than an experience. What I'd do? Build two Arrow14s.......

Peter

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, "martin_simion" <martin_simion@...>
wrote:
>
> I obviously didn`t make myself clear, I ment 2 guys 100 kilos each plus gear.
This should be about 450 to 500 Pounds in total.
> I already looked at the specs but want to hear some first hand knowledge as I
am not willing to spent money and, more important, time to end up with a boat
that is to small for two.
>
> On the other hand I dont want to go too big because of carrying and
transportation issues.
>
> Anyway, thank you for your reply, any more thoughts are appreciated,
>
> martin
>
> --- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, "sharpstik" <bk2@> wrote:
> >
> >  no.
> >  look at the specs. the SS 14 is rated at 400 pounds. you didn't say how
heavy the two guys are, but if they are 200 pounds each, that is over the limit
of the boat right there. 100 kg is another 220 pounds.
> >  even the SS Traveler 16 is rated at 600 pounds, so would be inadequate for
your needs.
> >  you will be more informed before asking more questions if you first read
some of the recent archives here and examine the specs at
<http://gaboats.com/boats/>. there have been discussions here on the relative
merits, like capacity and stability of the different models.
> >  you might be able to scale up one of the designs to meet your needs, but it
doesn't look like there is a canoe big enough here.
> >  as far as cartopping, i haven't heard of any problems.
> > bill keiser
> >
> >
> >  "martin_simion" <martin_simion@> wrote:
> > >
> > > good evening,
> > >
> > > I am planing to build a snowshoe for some daytrips on austrian rivers next
summer but I am uncertain of the size.
> > >
> > > Load will be two guys with around 100kg plus gear, I wonder if the
snowshoe 14 will be enough? Is there any body around who is using a SS 14 as a
tandem?
> > >
> > > BTW is a gaboat sturdy enouth to be transported on a carroof at speed?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your help!
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > Linz/Austria
> > >
> >
>

Thank you for all your input, that made it a lot easier to decide!

Martin

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, steven michaeli <stevenmichaeli@...>
wrote:
>
> Concerning cartopping light weight boats: tie down to the front end of the car
and amidships, then bungee the rear. The will be little stress on the keel that
way.
>
> --- On Sun, 3/14/10, martin_simion <martin_simion@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: martin_simion <martin_simion@...>
> Subject: [Airolite_Boats] right snowshoe for two heavy guys
> To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:54 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> good evening,
>
> I am planing to build a snowshoe for some daytrips on austrian rivers next
summer but I am uncertain of the size.
>
> Load will be two guys with around 100kg plus gear, I wonder if the snowshoe 14
will be enough? Is there any body around who is using a SS 14 as a tandem?
>
> BTW is a gaboat sturdy enouth to be transported on a carroof at speed?
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
> Martin
>
> Linz/Austria
>

Hi,
Work progresses slowly on the Black Fly due to the spring re-fit progressing
rapidly on the 'mothership'.

As my 'Fly is going to see some rough usage on tidal beaches, I'm considering a
tougher overcoat for the Dacron.

I was wondering if anyone had tried covering the Dacron with Xynole as in this
article:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/howto/skin/index.htm

Peter.

I've added a photo album called "Black Fly" to the Yahoo photos section, showing
a bit of progress made.

For those interested, there's a more detailed series of posts on my site
http://www.sintacha.com

Peter.

I was very fortunate to acquire a used Classic 12. Unforetunately, It did not
have a mast and sail. I was thinking of adapting an old windsurfer mast and sail
- it's a trainer i think, not one of the bigger high-performance rigs. It will
take some fiddling, but should work.

My other option is a used Walker Bay 8 rig which looks to be about the same sail
area.

Either will get me on the water this season. Thoughts?

Tim Lyon

I was very fortunate to acquire a used Classic 12. Unforetunately, It did not have a mast and sail. I was thinking of adapting an old windsurfer mast and sail - it's a trainer i think, not one of the bigger high-performance rigs. It will take some fiddling, but should work.

My other option is a used Walker Bay 8 rig which looks to be about the same sail area.

Either will get me on the water this season. Thoughts?

Tim Lyon

Northern Illinois

T.

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, bschless@... wrote:
>
> What part of the country are you in?  I might be able to help you out.
> Beau Schless
> NOTEbookS Library Automation
> (978) 443-2996
> http://www.rasco.com
>
>
>
> From:   "LOGOS vom Schnecke" <twlyon24@...>
> To:     Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
> Date:   04/07/2010 02:27 PM
> Subject:        [Airolite_Boats] Sailing rig for Classic 12
> Sent by:        Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
> I was very fortunate to acquire a used Classic 12. Unforetunately, It did
> not have a mast and sail. I was thinking of adapting an old windsurfer
> mast and sail - it's a trainer i think, not one of the bigger
> high-performance rigs. It will take some fiddling, but should work.
>
> My other option is a used Walker Bay 8 rig which looks to be about the
> same sail area.
>
> Either will get me on the water this season. Thoughts?
>
> Tim Lyon
>

On 7 Apr 2010 at 18:23, LOGOS vom Schnecke wrote:

> I was very fortunate to acquire a used Classic 12. Unforetunately, It did
> not have a mast and sail. I was thinking of adapting an old windsurfer
> mast and sail - it's a trainer i think, not one of the bigger
> high-performance rigs. It will take some fiddling, but should work.

I adapted a windsurfer rig for my Blivit 13 (pictures are in the photo
section). If you can get some old triangle sails, then a bit of sewing can
turn two windsurfer sails into reasonably shaped main and foresails. The
older windsurfer masts fit perfectly over 1.5" PVC but you will want a
piece of wood inside to stiffen it up some. I used 2" ABS to make sail
rings. They work OK once you round over the edges so they don't catch on
the mast.

Ken Muldrew.

Scotty,

I did and they were. I'm being lazy....

Tim

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, John Scott <flyscott06@...> wrote:
>
> tim, the sail plans should have been, with the set of plans that was
> purposely that my friend sent to you, did you get them, scotty
> we are at Seminole canyon.Texas in rout to the northern cal. and Oregon
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, LOGOS vom Schnecke <twlyon24@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Northern Illinois
> >
> > T.
> >
> >
> > --- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com <Airolite_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > bschless@ wrote: w
> > >
> > > What part of the country are you in? I might be able to help you out.
> > > Beau Schless
> > > NOTEbookS Library Automation
> > > (978) 443-2996
> > > http://www.rasco.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "LOGOS vom Schnecke" <twlyon24@>
> >
> > > To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com <Airolite_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 04/07/2010 02:27 PM
> > > Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Sailing rig for Classic 12
> > > Sent by: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com<Airolite_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was very fortunate to acquire a used Classic 12. Unforetunately, It did
> >
> > > not have a mast and sail. I was thinking of adapting an old windsurfer
> > > mast and sail - it's a trainer i think, not one of the bigger
> > > high-performance rigs. It will take some fiddling, but should work.
> > >
> > > My other option is a used Walker Bay 8 rig which looks to be about the
> > > same sail area.
> > >
> > > Either will get me on the water this season. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Tim Lyon
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Stems and forms are in place and I am about to get started.  However, I have
been unable to find suitable spruce, doug fir, etc. so I am planning to use
"select" pine from home depot.  The manual suggests increasing thickness for
softer woods by 25%.  Has anyone had experience using pine with or without the
increase?  Most usage will be in calm waters,in a neighborhood lagoon and small
lakes in Prince William Sound.
Thank you for any advise,
Gil