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Hey all!

Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just finished. Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how it is to actually use compared to my other boats.

This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney. 50+ kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging. Didn't baby the boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it. Ran it up on beaches, on rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams. Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy conditions. Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds. All this without any damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs. The fabric (only single layer on my boat) is fine. I'm very impressed!!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

#1294

From: AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...>
Date: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

a_wood_...

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b

Something's wrong with that link... Try this one

Cheers,

Aaron

From: AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...>
To: "Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com" <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52:28 PM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Hey all!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

#1295

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

rkleinhenz

Thanks for sharing - I really enjoyed watching the slide show

On 11/17/2011 2:07 PM, AARON WOOD wrote:

Something's wrong with that link... Try this one

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b

Cheers,

Aaron

From: AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...>
To: "Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com" <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52:28 PM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Hey all!

Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just finished. Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how it is to actually use compared to my other boats.

This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney. 50+ kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging. Didn't baby the boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it. Ran it up on beaches, on rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams. Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy conditions. Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds. All this without any damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs. The fabric (only single layer on my boat) is fine. I'm very impressed!!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1296

From: "Bob Kay McIntosh" <bkmcintosh@...>
Date: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:34 pm
Subject: RE: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

trawler10

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b

Aaron…. Tell me again what the barrel was for? Tnx Bob

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AARON WOOD
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:07 AM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Something's wrong with that link... Try this one

Cheers,

Aaron

Hey all!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

#1297

From: "Aaron Wood" <a_wood_@...>
Date: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

a_wood_...

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b

Hi Bob,

The barrel was just my gear pack, clothes, food, tent etc.

The forecast was for rain and high wind. Also bears are frequent in that park. The barrel keeps everything dry and the airtight seal won't allow food odours to travel and makes it difficult (maybe impossible) for animals to get at your food even if they wanted.

When paddling this late in the season I also prepare for an unintended swim... Potentially fatal if you're not prepared. For this reason I carry a basic survival kit in my pockets, again the barrel so that I'd have a dry sleeping bag, and attached my 60' throw bag to the bow. After all this I still stay very close to shore when possible. This allows me to simply grab the bag and swim for shore simply spooling out the rope for the first 60', this should in most cases allow me to reach shore without pulling the boat while swimming. The barrel would float free and I'd have the option to go get it once I right the boat and have a fire going on shore.

Kind of a long answer to a short question!

Cheers,

Aaron

Sent from my BlackBerry

From: "Bob Kay McIntosh" <bkmcintosh@...>

Sender: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:34:23 -0800

To: <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Aaron…. Tell me again what the barrel was for? Tnx Bob

Something's wrong with that link... Try this one

Cheers,

Aaron

Hey all!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

#1298

From: "Bob Kay McIntosh" <bkmcintosh@...>
Date: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:58 pm
Subject: RE: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

trawler10

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b

Great idea…and tnx… Bob

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Wood
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:40 AM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Sent from my BlackBerry

From: "Bob Kay McIntosh" <bkmcintosh@...>

Sender: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:34:23 -0800

To: <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Aaron…. Tell me again what the barrel was for? Tnx Bob

Something's wrong with that link... Try this one

Cheers,

Aaron

Hey all!

Pictures and comments here.

Cheers all!

Aaron

P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.

#1299

From: "Peter" <prjacobs@...>
Date: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

pjacobs55

Thanks for sharing, Aaron. What an adventure, and what a beautiful job you did
on the canoe. The paint scheme is really sharp!

Peter.

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all!
>
> Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just
finished. �Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how
it is to actually use compared to my other boats. �
>
> This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney. �50+
kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging. �Didn't baby the
boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it. �Ran it up on beaches, on
rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams.
�Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy
conditions. �Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super
windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds. �All this without any
damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs. �The fabric (only single layer on my
boat) is fine. �I'm very impressed!!
>
> Pictures and comments here.
>
> Cheers all!
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst
of the scrapes, soon.
>

#1300

From: Hajo Smulders <hajosmulders@...>
Date: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

hilomania

Those barrels are ideal for canoe trips. You can also get a harnesses for them that turn them into a backpack.

Hajo
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#1301

From: 2scott@...
Date: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

2scott...

Aaron-
Do you burn your wood in an open fire pit or did you bring
any kind of collapsable stove ?  The stoves consume much
less wood and make your wood go a lot farther.

Also, did you bring a small tent or did you sleep in the open ?

Scott

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...> wrote:
>
> Something's wrong with that link... Try this one
>
> From: AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...>
> To: "Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com" <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52:28 PM
> Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14
>
>
>  
> Hey all!
>
> Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just
finished.  Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how
it is to actually use compared to my other boats.  
>
> This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney.  50+
kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging.  Didn't baby the
boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it.  Ran it up on beaches, on
rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams.
 Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy
conditions.  Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super
windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds.  All this without any
damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs.  The fabric (only single layer on my
boat) is fine.  I'm very impressed!!
>
> Pictures and comments here.
>
> Cheers all!
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst
of the scrapes, soon.
>
>
>
>
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type\
=1&l=ef51d0316b
>  
> Cheers,
> Aaron
>

#1302

From: "Terry" <terryreed@...>
Date: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

ccbeach65

Aaron-

Count me in as another who enjoyed your photos. It' s interesting to see shots
of these boats in use rather than just construction photos. I'll be building an
Arrow this Winter and just got a little more inspired.

Thanks,
Terry


--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all!
>
> Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just
finished. �Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how
it is to actually use compared to my other boats. �
>
> This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney. �50+
kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging. �Didn't baby the
boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it. �Ran it up on beaches, on
rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams.
�Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy
conditions. �Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super
windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds. �All this without any
damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs. �The fabric (only single layer on my
boat) is fine. �I'm very impressed!!
>
> Pictures and comments here.
>
> Cheers all!
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst
of the scrapes, soon.
>

#1303

From: "Aaron Wood" <a_wood_@...>
Date: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

a_wood_...

Hi Scott!

The stoves are great, no question. I don't use one. They're especially good when cooking vs. cooking over an open fire. The fire was just for warmth for me so open fire is ok.

Tent or some sort of shelter is necessary this time of year here. Its very wet with frequent rain. I use a small tent.

Cheers,

Aaron

Sent from my BlackBerry

From: 2scott@...

Sender: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:00:22 -0000

To: <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: Recent trip in my Arrow 14

Aaron-
Do you burn your wood in an open fire pit or did you bring
any kind of collapsable stove ? The stoves consume much
less wood and make your wood go a lot farther.

Also, did you bring a small tent or did you sleep in the open ?

Scott

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...> wrote:
>
> Something's wrong with that link... Try this one
>
> From: AARON WOOD <a_wood_@...>
> To: "Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com" <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52:28 PM
> Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Recent trip in my Arrow 14
>
>
>
> Hey all!
>
> Just thought you all might enjoy the pics and notes from this trip I just finished. Since finishing my boat I've wanted to take it on a trip to see how it is to actually use compared to my other boats.
>
> This was a solo trip through a park here in Ontario named Killarney. 50+ kilometers total over 3 days with almost 7 km. of portaging. Didn't baby the boat, but brought duct tape expecting to need it. Ran it up on beaches, on rocks also while fully loaded (this accidentally!) and dragged over beaver dams. Driving with it on my car has always worried me especially when in windy conditions. Over 900 kilometers of driving on this trip, almost half in super windy crosswind conditions, at normal highway speeds. All this without any damage whatsoever beyond paint scuffs. The fabric (only single layer on my boat) is fine. I'm very impressed!!
>
> Pictures and comments here.
>
> Cheers all!
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of the hull bottom, including the worst of the scrapes, soon.
>
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150930979250018.753703.619465017&type=1&l=ef51d0316b
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
>

#1304

From: "Phil Peck" <phil@...>
Date: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:04 am
Subject: which boat

fhil500

I am finding the hardest part is in picking which boat to build. Can anybody tell me what the difference is between the arrow 14 and the snowshoe 14. while I now the spec differences I am wondering which is more stable and which might work better with the once in awhile two people.

Phil

#1305

From: Mark Albanese <marka97203@...>
Date: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:23 am
Subject: Re: which boat

marka97203

Tough choice! The extra hundred pounds displacement in the Snowshoe will help that all a lot.

On Nov 20, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Phil Peck wrote:

I am finding the hardest part is in picking which boat to build. Can anybody tell me what the difference is between the arrow 14 and the snowshoe 14. while I now the spec differences I am wondering which is more stable and which might work better with the once in awhile two people.

Phil

#1306

From: "mgrogg@..." <mgrogg@...>
Date: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: which boat

mgrogg51

Think of the Arrow as a Kayak without a deck.  The Snowshoe is a bit wider
midship and can carry more weight.  Arrow is probably slightly faster lightly
loaded. If you are 6'3/240 you might as well just build the snowshoe, since you
are not lightly loaded, if you are 5'6/140, go for the Arrow.

Michael



I am finding the hardest part is in picking which boat to build.  Can anybody
tell me what the difference is between the arrow 14 and the snowshoe 14.  while
I now the spec differences I am wondering which is more stable and which might
work better with the once in awhile two people.

Phil


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#1307

From: "Phil Peck" <phil@...>
Date: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: which boat

fhil500

thank you all for your imput. have ordered the snowshoe 14. though I invision building other down the road.

phil

#1308

From: "Aaron Wood" <a_wood_@...>
Date: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: which boat

a_wood_...

Good choice Phil! I think you'll like the boat as well as the build process.

Cheers,

Aaron

Sent from my BlackBerry

From: "Phil Peck" <phil@...>

Sender: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:57:30 -0800

To: <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] which boat

thank you all for your imput. have ordered the snowshoe 14. though I invision building other down the road.

phil

#1309

From: "Seth" <hydrohound8@...>
Date: Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes

hydrohound8

Hi Steve,
Sorry to revive an old post, but I've been lurking on this site for years, and I
believe I am finally building up momentum to undertake building the Classic 14.
I'm really tempted to try using ballistic nylon as the skin, keeping in mind the
inherent risk of slackening due to humidity.  From your previous post it sounds
like you undertook using this system on a Classic 12, is that correct?  If so,
what methods did you use to combat loosening (e.g. skinning wet), and how has
the the skin performed to date.
Many thanks,
Seth

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kauffman <steve@...> wrote:
>
> I just finished a Classic 12 and used the skinboats.com epoxy.  It was just
> enough for 3-4 coats of epoxy, which was as much as I needed.
>
> The quality of the stuff seems really great.  I'm very glad I forked out for
> it as opposed to some generic epoxy.
>
> One caution:  putting a coat of sticky epoxy on 12 feet of white nylon made
> essentially the world's biggest piece of flypaper.  I ended up with obscene
> quantities of flies, gnats, and mosquitos stuck in the glue, some of which
> didn't make it out and got squeegeed into the finish of the boat.  I was out
> there every 15 minutes with tweezers picking them off as the boat dried,
> too.
>
> So... I would suggest doing the epoxy step indoors!  This is why I named the
> boat "the Gnat".
>
> --Steve Kauffman
>

#1310

From: Richard Bertram <richardbertram@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:15 am
Subject: Re: Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes

richardbertram

I built a Classic 10, and I have always been concerned that the dacron was not good enough. I do have to say, the dacron is adequate, but I would still like to have a tougher hull. The ballistic nylon sounds good. If you haven't done so yet, I suggest you check "skin-on-frame" kayaks on the internet. There is a huge amount of information out there. A lot of these kayaks are built with ballistic nylon. Skinboats.com offers several choices of nylon to choose from. Here is my concern. When you shrink the dacron to your frame, all goes well on the Classis until you hit the last third of the stern. At that point you really need to crank on the heat to get the material to conform to the hull. I do not think that the nylon will shrink that much. Is all lost, maybe not, you may be able to make it work by sewing in a couple of darts in the fabric, then shrinking it. For that you will probably need someone who is good at sewing, a wife comes to mind.

Hope this helps, Richard

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, Seth <hydrohound8@...> wrote:

From: Seth <hydrohound8@...>
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 7:38 AM

Hi Steve,
Sorry to revive an old post, but I've been lurking on this site for years, and I believe I am finally building up momentum to undertake building the Classic 14. I'm really tempted to try using ballistic nylon as the skin, keeping in mind the inherent risk of slackening due to humidity. From your previous post it sounds like you undertook using this system on a Classic 12, is that correct? If so, what methods did you use to combat loosening (e.g. skinning wet), and how has the the skin performed to date.
Many thanks,
Seth

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kauffman <steve@...> wrote:
>
> I just finished a Classic 12 and used the skinboats.com epoxy. It was just
> enough for 3-4 coats of epoxy, which was as much as I needed.
>
> The quality of the stuff seems really great. I'm very glad I forked out for
> it as opposed to some generic epoxy.
>
> One caution: putting a coat of sticky epoxy on 12 feet of white nylon made
> essentially the world's biggest piece of flypaper. I ended up with obscene
> quantities of flies, gnats, and mosquitos stuck in the glue, some of which
> didn't make it out and got squeegeed into the finish of the boat. I was out
> there every 15 minutes with tweezers picking them off as the boat dried,
> too.
>
> So... I would suggest doing the epoxy step indoors! This is why I named the
> boat "the Gnat".
>
> --Steve Kauffman
>

#1311

From: Steve Kauffman <steve@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes

kauffmans.name

Seth, I used the heat-shrinkable nylon fabric (Dacron?) recommended by Platt Monfort - I had purchased the "partial kit" from him which included the fabric and kevlar. �It's been a year and a half, and I have been very pleased with the performance. � With the skinboats epoxy coating, the fabric ends up almost "rubberized" looking.� �The boat hangs in my front porch rafters, so I see it whenever I go in or out, and it does not appear to change with humidity variation. �

--Steve

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Seth <hydrohound8@...> wrote:

�

Hi Steve,
Sorry to revive an old post, but I've been lurking on this site for years, and I believe I am finally building up momentum to undertake building the Classic 14. I'm really tempted to try using ballistic nylon as the skin, keeping in mind the inherent risk of slackening due to humidity. From your previous post it sounds like you undertook using this system on a Classic 12, is that correct? If so, what methods did you use to combat loosening (e.g. skinning wet), and how has the the skin performed to date.
Many thanks,
Seth

#1312

From: James Kingston <james.kingston@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes

james_kingston

I have a SOF kayak following the Night Heron (�http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/NH�) lines, which I originally covered with dacron and later covered with the heaviest ballistic that skinboat.org sells. �I would say that, if sewn in the manner shown in the video, there is no need for any darts. �Specifically, you sew it from the middle to the ends, pulling the slack out of the fabric up & forward. �The weave seems to be more shape-able than the dacron weave.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Richard Bertram <richardbertram@...> wrote:

I built a Classic 10, and I have always been concerned that the dacron was not good enough. I do have to say, the dacron is adequate, but I would still like to have a tougher hull. The ballistic nylon sounds good. If you haven't done so yet, I suggest you check "skin-on-frame" kayaks on the internet. There is a huge amount of information out there. A lot of these kayaks are built with ballistic nylon. Skinboats.com offers several choices of nylon to choose from. Here is my concern. When you shrink the dacron to your frame, all goes well on the Classis until you hit the last third of the stern. At that point you really need to crank on the heat to get the material to conform to the hull. I do not think that the nylon will shrink that much. Is all lost, maybe not, you may be able to make it work by sewing in a couple of darts� in the fabric, then shrinking it. For that you will probably need someone who is good at sewing, a wife comes to mind.

Hope this helps, Richard

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, Seth <hydrohound8@...> wrote:

From: Seth <hydrohound8@...>

Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: Nimrod Boat Build Notes

To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 7:38 AM

�

Hi Steve,
Sorry to revive an old post, but I've been lurking on this site for years, and I believe I am finally building up momentum to undertake building the Classic 14. I'm really tempted to try using ballistic nylon as the skin, keeping in mind the inherent risk of slackening due to humidity. From your previous post it sounds like you undertook using this system on a Classic 12, is that correct? If so, what methods did you use to combat loosening (e.g. skinning wet), and how has the the skin performed to date.
Many thanks,
Seth

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kauffman <steve@...> wrote:
>
> I just finished a Classic 12 and used the skinboats.com epoxy. It was just
> enough for 3-4 coats of epoxy, which was as much as I needed.
>
> The quality of the stuff seems really great. I'm very glad I forked out for
> it as opposed to some generic epoxy.
>
> One caution: putting a coat of sticky epoxy on 12 feet of white nylon made
> essentially the world's biggest piece of flypaper. I ended up with obscene
> quantities of flies, gnats, and mosquitos stuck in the glue, some of which
> didn't make it out and got squeegeed into the finish of the boat. I was out
> there every 15 minutes with tweezers picking them off as the boat dried,
> too.
>
> So... I would suggest doing the epoxy step indoors! This is why I named the
> boat "the Gnat".
>
> --Steve Kauffman
>

#1313

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:21 pm
Subject: seats and seating ideas

rkleinhenz

Hello,
I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an arrow, not decided.

With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions, if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle of building a double-paddle.

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1314

From: "recyc" <d.greaser@...>
Date: Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:39 am
Subject: Re: seats and seating ideas

recyc

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is
really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I
attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist.  I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats.  So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge...  and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards.  We
> have not had it in the water yet.  I am looking for seat ideas.  Does
> anyone have photos of theirs?  Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions?  Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>

#1315

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas

rkleinhenz

Looks interesting, thanks! So it's sat loosely on the floor, not attached in any way? Someow that idea feels strange, I am used to canoe seats hung from gunnels... attached to the boat

On 12/9/2011 2:39 AM, recyc wrote:

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1316

From: Bassman4940 <bassman4940@...>
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas

bassman4940

Hi Rich,

I built a Airolite RobRoy Kayak several years ago, and tried several different seat combinations, and found the most comfortable and lightest was one of those el-cheapo plastic seats you can buy at WalMart (in the boating accessories section). This was my choice because it was both light and comfortable, but I did glue a piece of closed-cell foam on the bottom, and that helped a lot.

I'll attach a couple of pics but they don't show how I mounted it, but this ;articular seat had screw eyelets molded into the bottom that made it fairly easy to mount rails onto. The "rails" were C-shaped slats attached to bottom of the seat that sat on top of a matching set of slats attached to the floor planks. This would allow me to slide the seat fore' and aft for adjustment. A couple of quick-disconnect pins coud be dropped in the holes spaced 1" apart to lock the seat in so it wouldn't slide back and forth.

My description of the whole thing isn't very clear but if you want I can throw together a quick sketch and email it to you if this style of seat interests you. The other thing I did was double the amount of floor planks giving me a much wider and solid floor than the plans called for an made mounting the seat easier.

Good luck! You'll have a lot of fun building this boat, and hope you can post some pics for us.

Take care,

Rick

From: recyc <d.greaser@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 2:39 AM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We
> have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does
> anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>

2 of 2 Photo(s)

3Kayak.jpg

1Kayak.jpg

#1317

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:04 am
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas [2 Attachments]

rkleinhenz

Thanks, Rick, yes, I'd appreciate a sketch, that'd be great. I'm sure we could get to the point where it's clear with words also but a sketch would make it easy I think!

On 12/11/2011 10:57 AM, Bassman4940 wrote:

Hi Rich,

I built a Airolite RobRoy Kayak several years ago, and tried several different seat combinations, and found the most comfortable and lightest was one of those el-cheapo plastic seats you can buy at WalMart (in the boating accessories section). This was my choice because it was both light and comfortable, but I did glue a piece of closed-cell foam on the bottom, and that helped a lot.

I'll attach a couple of pics but they don't show how I mounted it, but this ;articular seat had screw eyelets molded into the bottom that made it fairly easy to mount rails onto. The "rails" were C-shaped slats attached to bottom of the seat that sat on top of a matching set of slats attached to the floor planks. This would allow me to slide the seat fore' and aft for adjustment. A couple of quick-disconnect pins coud be dropped in the holes spaced 1" apart to lock the seat in so it wouldn't slide back and forth.

My description of the whole thing isn't very clear but if you want I can throw together a quick sketch and email it to you if this style of seat interests you. The other thing I did was double the amount of floor planks giving me a much wider and solid floor than the plans called for an made mounting the seat easier.

Good luck! You'll have a lot of fun building this boat, and hope you can post some pics for us.

Take care,

Rick

From: recyc <d.greaser@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 2:39 AM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We
> have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does
> anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1318

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:09 am
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas [2 Attachments]

rkleinhenz

P.S. Your boat looks nice! Thanks for the pics
--
Best regards, Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1319

From: Bassman4940 <bassman4940@...>
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:12 am
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas

bassman4940

Hi RIch,

I threw together a quick sketch on my computer. Hope you can make some sense out of it. The ball bearing locking pins can be found at most hardware stores. Also, be sure to pre-drill the screw holes so you don't get any splitting.

Let me know if I can answer and more questions.

Rick

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

Hi Rich,

I built a Airolite RobRoy Kayak several years ago, and tried several different seat combinations, and found the most comfortable and lightest was one of those el-cheapo plastic seats you can buy at WalMart (in the boating accessories section). This was my choice because it was both light and comfortable, but I did glue a piece of closed-cell foam on the bottom, and that helped a lot.

I'll attach a couple of pics but they don't show how I mounted it, but this ;articular seat had screw eyelets molded into the bottom that made it fairly easy to mount rails onto. The "rails" were C-shaped slats attached to bottom of the seat that sat on top of a matching set of slats attached to the floor planks. This would allow me to slide the seat fore' and aft for adjustment. A couple of quick-disconnect pins coud be dropped in the holes spaced 1" apart to lock the seat in so it wouldn't slide back and forth.

My description of the whole thing isn't very clear but if you want I can throw together a quick sketch and email it to you if this style of seat interests you. The other thing I did was double the amount of floor planks giving me a much wider and solid floor than the plans called for an made mounting the seat easier.

Good luck! You'll have a lot of fun building this boat, and hope you can post some pics for us.

Take care,

Rick

From: recyc <d.greaser@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 2:39 AM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We
> have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does
> anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

1 of 1 File(s)

Kayak Railing.jpg

#1320

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:36 am
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas [1 Attachment]

rkleinhenz

I'm having trouble with the attachment. I tried it on the yahoo site, and I downloaded it and tried my own viewer but the source data format is not recognized

On 12/11/2011 11:12 PM, Bassman4940 wrote:

Hi RIch,

I threw together a quick sketch on my computer. Hope you can make some sense out of it. The ball bearing locking pins can be found at most hardware stores. Also, be sure to pre-drill the screw holes so you don't get any splitting.

Let me know if I can answer and more questions.

Rick
From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas
Thanks, Rick, yes, I'd appreciate a sketch, that'd be great. I'm sure we could get to the point where it's clear with words also but a sketch would make it easy I think!

On 12/11/2011 10:57 AM, Bassman4940 wrote:

Hi Rich,

I built a Airolite RobRoy Kayak several years ago, and tried several different seat combinations, and found the most comfortable and lightest was one of those el-cheapo plastic seats you can buy at WalMart (in the boating accessories section). This was my choice because it was both light and comfortable, but I did glue a piece of closed-cell foam on the bottom, and that helped a lot.

I'll attach a couple of pics but they don't show how I mounted it, but this ;articular seat had screw eyelets molded into the bottom that made it fairly easy to mount rails onto. The "rails" were C-shaped slats attached to bottom of the seat that sat on top of a matching set of slats attached to the floor planks. This would allow me to slide the seat fore' and aft for adjustment. A couple of quick-disconnect pins coud be dropped in the holes spaced 1" apart to lock the seat in so it wouldn't slide back and forth.

My description of the whole thing isn't very clear but if you want I can throw together a quick sketch and email it to you if this style of seat interests you. The other thing I did was double the amount of floor planks giving me a much wider and solid floor than the plans called for an made mounting the seat easier.

Good luck! You'll have a lot of fun building this boat, and hope you can post some pics for us.

Take care,

Rick

From: recyc <d.greaser@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 2:39 AM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We
> have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does
> anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>
-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

#1321

From: Bassman4940 <bassman4940@...>
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas

bassman4940

Hi Rich,

I made another copy, this time as a .pdf file. You should be able to open it with Adobe Reader (a free download from www.adobe.com if you don't have it)

Rick

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

Hi RIch,

I threw together a quick sketch on my computer. Hope you can make some sense out of it. The ball bearing locking pins can be found at most hardware stores. Also, be sure to pre-drill the screw holes so you don't get any splitting.

Let me know if I can answer and more questions.

Rick
From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas
Thanks, Rick, yes, I'd appreciate a sketch, that'd be great. I'm sure we could get to the point where it's clear with words also but a sketch would make it easy I think!

On 12/11/2011 10:57 AM, Bassman4940 wrote:

Hi Rich,

I built a Airolite RobRoy Kayak several years ago, and tried several different seat combinations, and found the most comfortable and lightest was one of those el-cheapo plastic seats you can buy at WalMart (in the boating accessories section). This was my choice because it was both light and comfortable, but I did glue a piece of closed-cell foam on the bottom, and that helped a lot.

I'll attach a couple of pics but they don't show how I mounted it, but this ;articular seat had screw eyelets molded into the bottom that made it fairly easy to mount rails onto. The "rails" were C-shaped slats attached to bottom of the seat that sat on top of a matching set of slats attached to the floor planks. This would allow me to slide the seat fore' and aft for adjustment. A couple of quick-disconnect pins coud be dropped in the holes spaced 1" apart to lock the seat in so it wouldn't slide back and forth.

My description of the whole thing isn't very clear but if you want I can throw together a quick sketch and email it to you if this style of seat interests you. The other thing I did was double the amount of floor planks giving me a much wider and solid floor than the plans called for an made mounting the seat easier.

Good luck! You'll have a lot of fun building this boat, and hope you can post some pics for us.

Take care,

Rick

From: recyc <d.greaser@...>
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 2:39 AM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Re: seats and seating ideas

I've always used one of these chairs called back jack in my aerolite canoe. Is really comfortable and I use it on the floor in my house or at events that I attend also. doug g
http://www.floorseating.com/catalog/catalog_detail.asp?CID=124&PI=15815

--- In Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com, Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was going to build a Nimrod, but as I was getting ready one popped up
> on craigslist nearby that I could not resist. I'd built a cedar strip
> canoe some years ago, and had the urge to build another boat - and came
> across the aerolite boats. So now I have a small boat my wife can
> handle and car-top - but I still have that urge... and will probably
> build a 15 footer, either a snowshoe 14 or snowshoe explorer 14 or an
> arrow, not decided.
>
> With the purchased boat, there is a thwart, and some floor boards. We
> have not had it in the water yet. I am looking for seat ideas. Does
> anyone have photos of theirs? Are there seat ideas in the instructions,
> if I end up getting a set of instructions? Right now I am in the middle
> of building a double-paddle.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Rich
> ================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ================================
>
-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================

1 of 1 File(s)

Kayak Railing.pdf

#1322

From: Rich Kleinhenz <woodnpen@...>
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 am
Subject: Re: Re: seats and seating ideas [1 Attachment]

rkleinhenz

Completely clear, thank you very much! I'll check out Walmart when I get near one. How wide is the stationary rail you used? Were the cross-sectional dimensions chosen pretty much to fit the existing screw eyelets?

On 12/12/2011 7:59 AM, Bassman4940 wrote:

__

-- Best regards,
Rich
================================
Richard Kleinhenz
http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
================================