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Thank you for the information

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Gi Mateusen <mateusen@...> wrote:
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> This are clay beads from Mali. You can find detailed information on :
> http://www.africadirect.com/productsdesc.php?ID=63104
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> Gi Mateusen
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> Van: john <jcharles37@...>
> Beantwoorden - Aan: <African_Arts@yahoogroups.com>
> Datum: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:30:33 -0000
> Aan: <African_Arts@yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: [African_Arts] Help Needed To Identify The Following Item
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> Dear members I would really appreciate your help in identify the item  I
> have posted in the photo section.Please follow this link to see the photos
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/666877202/pic/list
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> Thank you for your help.
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#5735

From: "john" <jcharles37@...>
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:25 am
Subject: Re: Help Needed To Identify The Following Item

jcharles37

Thank you for the information

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, dwolf22@... wrote:
>
> They are either ceramic beads or spindle whorls which are  weights put on
> one end of a tool ( basically a tapered stick) that's used  to spin fiber
> .... here's a link to look at some from Africa ...
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> _Ancient  African spindle whorl singles from ATB_
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(http://www.africantradebeads.com/Product_Index/African_made_Beads_/AM2/AM2a/am2\
a.html)
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> In a message dated 2/27/2012 8:06:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> jcharles37@... writes:
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> _Ancient  African spindle whorl singles from ATB_
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(http://www.africantradebeads.com/Product_Index/African_made_Beads_/AM2/AM2a/am2\
a.html)  Dear members
> I would really  appreciate your help in identify the item I have posted in
> the photo  section.Please follow this link to see the photos
>
> _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/666877202/pic/list_
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> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/666877202/pic/list)
>
> Thank  you for your help.
>

#5736

From: "Ozilly" <ozillyconnections@...>
Date: Sat Mar 3, 2012 4:54 pm
Subject: Camp Maitres Tambour Afric

ozillyconnec...

Our Tribal Chief Titos Sompa is ready to welcome you to our African Village! 
CAMP MAITRES TAMBOUR AFRIC (Masters of the African Drum & Dance) is a three-day
Camp that will be held at Sertoma Youth Ranch in Brooksville, FL on Thursday
afternoon, March 15th through Sunday afternoon, March 18th, 2012. Our event will
provide the unique opportunity to study African Drum and Dance, culture and
traditions with over 25 of the most sought after African Drum and Dance Masters
in the US! Multiple African ethnic groups (Ivory Coast, Guinea, Senegal, Congo)
12 dance classes and 12 drum classes (djembe, djun-djun, sabar, ngoma)! Balafon,
Kora, Dodo & traditional African Song classes also! Childrens classes too!  Drum
circles around the bonfire nightly! If you want to drum & don't have a djembe,
you can use ours.

Full event tickets are only $60 for Adults, $30 for Children (6-17), Children 5
& under are free. Also, if you are a vendor, purchase an event ticket and you
can vend for FREE. If you need an electric/water hookup, there is a daily use
fee of $23 that is paid directly to Sertoma Youth Ranch.  Primitive camping is
FREE or we have partnered with Days Inn which is about 15 minutes away @ $53.66
per night (all taxes & fees included) and that price is good for up to 4 people
per room.

The vision of CAMP MAITRES TAMBOUR AFRIC is that of creating an educational
journey through African performing art, emphasizing cultural and spiritual
understanding. You will experience a broader comprehension and a deeper respect
for these arts and for the artists' role in traditional African societies. You
will have a chance to understand another culture in all of its dimensions. This
will be an opportunity to share the spiritual energy and the daily positive
vibrations of the African people.

People of all ages and from all walks of life come to our camp. Our camp is not
just an "event", it's an "experience" that you will never forget! The event is
in Brooksville at Sertoma Youth Ranch, 85 Myers Rd, Brooksville, FL (between
Orlando/Tampa).  The gates open at 3:00 pm on Thrusday, March 15th....see you
there!

Check out our schedule at: http://cmtafric.weebly.com/schedule-of-events.html

#5737

From: "Your Business Tips" <john_fagalde@...>
Date: Sun Mar 4, 2012 5:39 pm
Subject: Just joined ...

john_fagalde

Hi all Members of African Art & Culture,

I have just joined this group and I am glad I did as after just a few minutes of browsing I already see some very interesting content. Can't wait to explore for more.

Looking forward get in contact with some Members.

If you wish to find out more about me and my experience with West African Tribal Art, please have a look at my blog: http://tribart.blogspot.com/

John (Jean is my french name)

#5738

From: "victorvettnyc" <victorvetterlein@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:33 am
Subject: Selling mask-I beleive it may be a Bamileke Elephant Mask

victorvetter...

I have a mask that came into my possession. I believe it may be a Bamileke
Elephant mask, or at the very least, a Cameroon grasslands mask (perhaps one in
the same).
Would someone please tell me the best way to sell the item.  Of course, if a
collector is interested, I would be happy to send an image (link below).
Victor

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/465207866/pic/1009664622\
/view

#5739

From: "victorvettnyc" <victorvetterlein@...>
Date: Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:38 pm
Subject: Any Information about African mask I have

victorvetter...

I have a mask that came into my possession.  I believe it may be a Bamileke
Elphant mask, or at the very least, a Cameroon grasslands mask (perhaps one in
the same).  However, It does not have the elephant ears attached to the sides of
the mask as images I have seen on-line.

Does this mask have any value? If so, would a collector be interested in the
mask?

An image of the mask is attached. The mask I am referring to is only the head
cover and long front and back center tail.

Many thanks,
Victor


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/465207866/pic/1009664622\
/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

#5740

From: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Date: Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: Any Information about African mask I have

leerubinstein

Victor:

The observable applied zoomorphic beaded motifs in your mask seem to be more consistent with items inspired by Yoruba bead-embroidered textiles -- although the intermingling of Grasslands influences and those of the Yoruba are not an impossibility given the relative geographic proximity (although certainly not contiguity) of these traditions of artistic practice. Very possibly, the admixture of elements could originate in a commercially motivated context although perhaps someone with more direct exposure to and familiarity with such an example may shed light on another contextual matrix in which such a seeming pastiche may have arisen. With specific regard to your query referencing the Bamileke elephant mask (mbap mteng of the Kuosi secret society), in addition to the presence of circular discs representing ears which you have noted to be absent in your example, beaded embellishments in the Bamileke corpus tend to be geometric rather than zoo-figural as in your example.

Lee

On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:38 PM, victorvettnyc wrote:

I have a mask that came into my possession. I believe it may be a Bamileke Elphant mask, or at the very least, a Cameroon grasslands mask (perhaps one in the same). However, It does not have the elephant ears attached to the sides of the mask as images I have seen on-line.

Does this mask have any value? If so, would a collector be interested in the mask?

An image of the mask is attached. The mask I am referring to is only the head cover and long front and back center tail.

Many thanks,
Victor

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/465207866/pic/1009664622/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

#5741

From: "Debby" <Debbydoo22@...>
Date: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:00 pm
Subject: Look for Info on My African Chair / Throne?

debbyflaim

Greetings! I purchased this wonderful piece from Magellan Trader's in Tucson Arizona in 1995. I have since lost my receipt and am trying to find out any information on it I can. I have written to Magellan's as well, and hope to hear back from them. Can't find anything like it on my internet searches and do not want to sell it without accurate info. I posted the pics in the photo area under "african chair". If anyone could give any info - it would help! Do you think the value for an item like this has increased in the past 17 years? It is huge - at 5"7" tall - 26" wide and 25" deep - the seat is about 4" thick - has a dry/age crack that does not in anyway weaken it - it is solid as a rock.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/413762253/pic/list

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#5742

From: "john" <jcharles37@...>
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:01 am
Subject: Please Help Me Identify These items;Just Posted the Photos

jcharles37

Hi,
I have a few items that I will need your help in identifying,the bronze comb
will like to know where it is from, regarding the ladle like bronze item, I
think it might be an Ashanti gold weight, but I am not quite sure.I do not have
any idea what the leather item  might be or what it is used for.
Your help will be highly appreciated.I have posted photos here :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1333327709/pic/list

#5743

From: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Look for Info on My African Chair / Throne?

leerubinstein

Debby:

One can find a good number of contemporary chairs, "thrones" and stools inspired by traditional works from the Cameroon Grasslands (or Grassfields) if searched more narrowly within the geographic and cultural confines of the area from which the forms originate. They are commonly referred to or described as Bamoun or Bamileke although they are not necessarily attributable as the traditional works which they resemble from these artistic traditions. They may indeed be carved in commercial workshops in this particular area although production is not necessarily limited thereto. As is true of your chair (or "throne), these remarkable pieces of functional furniture tend to include the repetition of a variety of traditional motifs associated with Grasslands cultures -- animals, musical instruments, human figures, etc. As this is a non-ritual item frequently reproduced or recreated with diverse variations, my guess is that any increase in value that might have been expected is to an extent delimited by the current economic conditions. Works that were being actively traded a decade ago and frequently profitably are far more difficult to sell right now for even as much as the original purchase price. Still, they are quite wonderful both visually and functionally. Perhaps you might find greater commercial appreciation for your chair as a relatively unique and bold decorative offering rather than as a cultural artifact. Still, it may yet retain its ability to convey a sense and impression of key symbols from the rich complex of Cameroon Grasslands cultures as well as the remarkable creativity and artistry in the region.

Lee

On Mar 11, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Debby wrote:

Greetings! I purchased this wonderful piece from Magellan Trader's in Tucson Arizona in 1995. I have since lost my receipt and am trying to find out any information on it I can. I have written to Magellan's as well, and hope to hear back from them. Can't find anything like it on my internet searches and do not want to sell it without accurate info. I posted the pics in the photo area under "african chair". If anyone could give any info - it would help! Do you think the value for an item like this has increased in the past 17 years? It is huge - at 5"7" tall - 26" wide and 25" deep - the seat is about 4" thick - has a dry/age crack that does not in anyway weaken it - it is solid as a rock.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/413762253/pic/list

Reply | Messages in this Topic (2)

#5744

From: "dleidie" <dleidie@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:21 am
Subject: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

dleidie

Hello,
i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it
and the origin.
It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
I hope you can help me find out.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figur\
e/

#5745

From: Michael Grant <mail@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm
Subject: Neck Rests

grantmr2000

Cane someone identify these two neck rests, Thanks.

#5746

From: Jeff Spurr <jbspurr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: Neck Rests

kalimantan3

Hello Grant,

They are ascribed to the Boni people of Somalia and Northern Kenya. The Boni are pastoral nomads. An excellent introduction to them may be found at Rand Tribal Art:

http://www.randafricanart.com/Boni_headrest_2_Somalia.html

Jeff Spurr

Cane someone identify these two neck rests, Thanks.

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#5747

From: Skip Cole <scole@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Neck Rests

ijeremgbe

Boni, probably from Somalis living in Ethiopia.
Quoting Michael Grant <mail@...>:

> Cane someone identify these two neck rests,  Thanks.
>
>

#5748

From: Veronique Martelliere <proximatribal@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Neck Rests

proximatribal

BONI Appui-nuque 14cm.jpg

Hello

Boni Group - Somalia - according to the book "Supports de R�ves" (1989 - p 57)

From: Michael Grant <mail@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] Neck Rests

Cane someone identify these two neck rests, Thanks.

1 of 1 Photo(s)

#5749

From: "Rand S" <rand@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

denverrand

Hello -

At first glance I thought it had Dogon-like qualities and the Dogon produced
many hermaphrodite figures, but the lines on the face and the nose aren't Dogon
qualities. Typically the bottom of a Dogon nose is represented with a "V" at the
bottom.

I've seen several published examples of Bamana figures with lines on the face
like this, and other parts of the body as well.

Hard to tell the age of it in the photos, but it's my opinion that the figure is
most likely not very old and most likely any age or wear is artificial as the
patina looks a bit odd to me.

Look in the Internet or in books for Dogon or Bamana figures and hopefully
that'll help you see more examples and see where the influence from both of the
cultures can be seen in your figure.

Cheers!
RAND

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "dleidie" <dleidie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it
and the origin.
> It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
> It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
> I hope you can help me find out.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figur\
e/
>

#5750

From: "Rand S" <rand@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Any Information about African mask I have

denverrand

Interesting hybrid piece. Lee brought up some very good points.
Definitely inspired by the Bamileke elephant masks, and the objects in the
person's hands (flywhisk and staff) are objects often seen in use with the
elephant masks, but I will agree that the trunk of the elephant is definitely
inspired bt Youruba beaded sashes.

http://www.hamillgallery.com/YORUBA/YorubaSashes/YorubaSashes.html

I haven't seen an object quite like that in Yoruba art, but it definitely has
qualities taken from both Yoruba and Bamileke art.

I wouldn't think that a collector of traditional authentic objects or a
collector of objects based on traditional examples would be too interested in
this object as it is very loosely based on a traditional object. It is
definitely commercially motivated and has more value as a curious piece of art
with elements taken from 2 different cultures and may have value to someone who
appreciates it aesthetically to be used for decor in their home.

RAND

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...> wrote:
>
> Victor:
>
> The observable applied zoomorphic beaded motifs in your mask seem to be more
consistent with items inspired by Yoruba bead-embroidered textiles -- although
the intermingling of Grasslands influences and those of the Yoruba are not an
impossibility given the relative geographic proximity (although certainly not
contiguity) of these traditions of artistic practice.  Very possibly, the
admixture of elements could originate in a commercially motivated context
although perhaps someone with more direct exposure to and familiarity with such
an example may shed light on another contextual matrix in which such a seeming
pastiche may have arisen.  With specific regard to your query referencing the
Bamileke elephant mask (mbap mteng of the Kuosi secret society), in addition to
the presence of circular discs representing ears which you have noted to be
absent in your example, beaded embellishments in the Bamileke corpus tend to be
geometric rather than zoo-figural as in your example.
>
> Lee
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:38 PM, victorvettnyc wrote:
>
> > I have a mask that came into my possession. I believe it may be a Bamileke
Elphant mask, or at the very least, a Cameroon grasslands mask (perhaps one in
the same). However, It does not have the elephant ears attached to the sides of
the mask as images I have seen on-line.
> >
> > Does this mask have any value? If so, would a collector be interested in the
mask?
> >
> > An image of the mask is attached. The mask I am referring to is only the
head cover and long front and back center tail.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Victor
> >
> >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/465207866/pic/1009664622\
/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
> >
> >
>

#5751

From: "RAND \(www.RandAfricanArt.com\)" <rand@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:26 pm
Subject: African and Oceanic art in NYC this May

denverrand

Masterpieces of African Art from the Collection of the Late Werner Muensterberger

May in New York City brings together a lot of dealers and collectors from around the world and also the chance to see and handle lots of great African and Oceanic art.

The AOA Tribal Art Fair which is taking place at the Fletcher-Sinclair Mansion (a beautiful space) for its 2nd year.

In this space you have 10 +/- high end dealers from around the world gathered in one location giving you the opportunity to view and handle lots of great, high quality art.

An additional 7 galleries with established spaces in NYC who are associated with the AOA Tribal Art Fair will also be participating in their gallery spaces.

The show runs Thursday May 10th - Sunday May 13th and there is a preview reception on May 9th.

Complete information can be found on the website for the AOA Tribal Art Fair:

http://www.aoany.com/

In addition, another group of dealers will be exibiting at the Bohemian National Hall this year from May 11th - 13th with a preview reception on the 10th.

Event website: http://www.newyorktribalart.com/index.html

Of course NYC is home to lots of Museums with African art and African art galleries scattered throughout the city that are worth visiting if you have the time.

Sotheby's and Bonham's are both holding auctions in May for African and Oceanic art.

Sotheby's auction is May 11th with chances to preview the objects in the preceeding days.

Links below to information on the auction:

African, Oceanic and Pre-Columbian Art including Property from the Lerner, Shoher and Vogel Collections

The Bonham's auction is taking place on May 12th:

http://www.bonhams.com/USA/sale/19988/0/

There is also an exhibition taking place in the QCC Art Gallery at Queensborough Community Collecge called -

"BUNDU - Sowei Headpieces of the Sande Society of West Africa"

The exhibition opens April 19th and is on view through June 29th.

Location: QCC Art Gallery, Queensborough Community College

222-05 56th Avenue, Bayside, NY 11364

Exhibit Opening: April 19, 2012 6pm – 9 pm

On view: April 19, 2012 - June 29, 2012

BUNDU - Sowei headpieces of the Sande Society of West Africa is the title of this exceptional exhibition and the scholarly book that accompanies it. The Bundu or Sande Society is a pan-African Association of women found among several West African groups in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. It educates and initiates young girls so as to enable them to assume their place in an adult society as wives and mothers and as social, economic, and political leaders. Entry into this society confers not only political power, but also introduces members to the association’s role in promoting wellness and treating disease. As a result, it is also a medicine society that employs both spiritual and physical therapies to help those in need, especially women and children.

The headpieces of the Sande Society, also known as sowei helmet masks, are unique in sub-Sahara Africa in that they are the only ones worn by women. This exhibition presents sixty sculptures that display the wonderful stylistic diversity of these masks among the Bassa, Gola, Mende, and Vai peoples of Africa.

The book that accompanies the exhibition is an outstanding ethnographic contribution to the understanding of this society and its sculptural expressions. This volume is authored by two Africanist scholars, Gavin H. Imperato and Pascal James Imperato, both with extensive field research experience in Africa.

The QCC Art Gallery, an educational and cultural resource for the Queensborough Community College, as well as for all New York City and Long Island communities, boasts a superb permanent African Art Collection that has already received critical acclaim from New York Times art critic, Holland Cotter who states, “Queensborough Community College has quietly assembled an impressive collection of African Art…with luck, other university galleries around the country will emulate it.” Over the years, the QCC has installed world-class exhibits of wide-ranging interests such as Post-Modernism paintings, Pre-Columbian Art, sculpture, photography as well as Chinese pottery and works of established and emerging artists.

Cheers!

RAND

#5752

From: "dileepmehta@..." <dileepmehta@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

dileepmehta...

Just my 2-cent worth: this figure may be from Congo, and resembles Metoko
figures:angularity and striation on face. A difference is the Metoko figures I
have seen have striation all over the body.
It may be a figure belonging to the Lega ore related peoples. Members like Paul
De Lucco [more familiar with Congolese sculptures] would have more informed
opinion.

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "dleidie" <dleidie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it
and the origin.
> It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
> It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
> I hope you can help me find out.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figur\
e/
>

#5753

From: Paul DeLucco <pauldelucco@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:20 am
Subject: Re: Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

pauldelucco

Map Ethnic Central Africa Artheos.jpg

Dileep,

I think you have a good eye.

The Metoko are a small group whose territory is borderd by, among others, the Lega, Kumu, and Lengola (see attached map). Metoko art is typically characterized by static, rigid figures, often asexual, with striated lines.

This figure is more naturalistic, it is evidently hermaphroditic, and the striations do not cover the whole body. But I think the prevailing style, especially that of the head, is Metoko with perhaps some Lengola influence mixed in.

A good piece.

-Paul

From: "dileepmehta@..." <dileepmehta@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

Just my 2-cent worth: this figure may be from Congo, and resembles Metoko figures:angularity and striation on face. A difference is the Metoko figures I have seen have striation all over the body.
It may be a figure belonging to the Lega ore related peoples. Members like Paul De Lucco [more familiar with Congolese sculptures] would have more informed opinion.

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "dleidie" <dleidie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it and the origin.
> It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
> It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
> I hope you can help me find out.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figure/
>

1 of 1 Photo(s)

#5754

From: "tisweermooi@..." <wasweermooi@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:33 pm
Subject: Hello everyone of this group and some Questions

tisweermooi...

Hello everyone,i'm Andrew living in Amsterdam, great that this forum exists.I'm
a long time collector of objects from around the globe.
In my search i stumbled upon a few objects where you could be the solution in
helping me to determine the what,where,& when of these objects. My knowledge of
African Arts is poor,so I'm very thankfull for all the help you can give me to
find these answers.

The pictures of these objects you can find in the folder with the name Andrews
foto's:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/list
The objects are a pair of tuskshaped .... ?
Also, they are carved out, and the material appears to be ivory. But it also
could be a tooth(HYPPO ?),or a bone ? I personally think it was a kind of a
ritual necklace or, most probably, a Dagger holder.
What I can tell is that the Belgian woman I have bought them from said to me
they originated from their former colony Congo, nowadays Za�re.

To finish this writing I have a last question about an ebony sculpture where i
have no clue about at all:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/1181061613\
/view

#5755

From: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:02 am
Subject: Re: Hello everyone of this group and some Questions

leerubinstein

I don't recognize the "tusk-shaped" objects, but regarding the "ebony sculpture," I would suggest researching related blackwood objects referred to as shetani or ujamaa carvings attributed to Makonde carvers of Mozambique and Tanzania. To begin, see discussions, resources and links provided in Messages 1781, 1784 and 5212 -- especially this reading list in the last.

Lee

On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:33 PM, tisweermooi@... wrote:

Hello everyone,i'm Andrew living in Amsterdam, great that this forum exists.I'm a long time collector of objects from around the globe.
In my search i stumbled upon a few objects where you could be the solution in helping me to determine the what,where,& when of these objects. My knowledge of African Arts is poor,so I'm very thankfull for all the help you can give me to find these answers.

The pictures of these objects you can find in the folder with the name Andrews foto's:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/list
The objects are a pair of tuskshaped .... ?
Also, they are carved out, and the material appears to be ivory. But it also could be a tooth(HYPPO ?),or a bone ? I personally think it was a kind of a ritual necklace or, most probably, a Dagger holder.
What I can tell is that the Belgian woman I have bought them from said to me they originated from their former colony Congo, nowadays Za�re.

To finish this writing I have a last question about an ebony sculpture where i have no clue about at all:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/1181061613/view

#5756

From: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:30 am
Subject: Re: Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure [1 Attachment]

leerubinstein

http://detoursdesmondes.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/21/benue_300.jpg

The highly geometrical configuration and squaring abstract shaping of hips and legs and the forward placement of the shoulders/arms in relation to the trunk of the figure seems to me rather more highly evocative of the figural styles of eastern Nigerian peoples such as Yergum, Montol, Tiv and Chamba sources as well as that arising from a variety of other Jukun-speaking peoples radiating from the Benue region northward (e.g., also Wurkun, Mumuye, etc.). I can't quite locate very specific examples that illustrate fully the inklings that underly my perception but perhaps some of the links below (the first three from Mus�e du quai Branly database) might help to encourage further consideration of this possibility.

N� inventaire : 73.1997.4.55: Tiv figure

N� inventaire : 73.1992.0.3: Chamba statuette

N� inventaire : 71.1969.135.1 Montol (?) statuette

Also...

Lee

On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Paul DeLucco wrote:

Dileep,

I think you have a good eye.

The Metoko are a small group whose territory is borderd by, among others, the Lega, Kumu, and Lengola (see attached map). Metoko art is typically characterized by static, rigid figures, often asexual, with striated lines.

This figure is more naturalistic, it is evidently hermaphroditic, and the striations do not cover the whole body. But I think the prevailing style, especially that of the head, is Metoko with perhaps some Lengola influence mixed in.

A good piece.

-Paul

From: "dileepmehta@..." <dileepmehta@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

Just my 2-cent worth: this figure may be from Congo, and resembles Metoko figures:angularity and striation on face. A difference is the Metoko figures I have seen have striation all over the body.
It may be a figure belonging to the Lega ore related peoples. Members like Paul De Lucco [more familiar with Congolese sculptures] would have more informed opinion.

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "dleidie" <dleidie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it and the origin.
> It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
> It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
> I hope you can help me find out.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figure/
>

#5757

From: Ricardo de Matos Leandro <dematos.ricardo@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: african hermaphrodite wooden figure

rjdematos

Hello,

I agree with Rand.

The patina is odd and it looks to be a figure inspired by Dogon and Chamba. This would be consistent with the expected output from a workshop where carvers are inspired by tribes according to the market trend.

Best,
Ricardo

2012/3/20 Rand S <rand@...>

�

Hello -

At first glance I thought it had Dogon-like qualities and the Dogon produced many hermaphrodite figures, but the lines on the face and the nose aren't Dogon qualities. Typically the bottom of a Dogon nose is represented with a "V" at the bottom.

I've seen several published examples of Bamana figures with lines on the face like this, and other parts of the body as well.

Hard to tell the age of it in the photos, but it's my opinion that the figure is most likely not very old and most likely any age or wear is artificial as the patina looks a bit odd to me.

Look in the Internet or in books for Dogon or Bamana figures and hopefully that'll help you see more examples and see where the influence from both of the cultures can be seen in your figure.

Cheers!
RAND

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "dleidie" <dleidie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i have a wooden figure in my collection and i would like to know the age of it and the origin.
> It measures about 60 cms, and it has breasts and a penis.
> It has two repaers, with little iron plates.
> I hope you can help me find out.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/137808226/pic/list
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/files/african%20hermaphrodite%20figure/
>

#5758

From: Ad Hillebrand <wasweermooi@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Hello everyone of this group and some Questions

tisweermooi...

Thank you Lee for your response, I have done some research and I agree with your opinion that the statue originates from the Makonde people.

There is only one question left and that is the age of the object ?

Regards,

Andrew

Van: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Aan: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Verzonden: vrijdag 23 maart 3:02 2012
Onderwerp: Re: [African_Arts] Hello everyone of this group and some Questions

Lee

On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:33 PM, tisweermooi@... wrote:

Hello everyone,i'm Andrew living in Amsterdam, great that this forum exists.I'm a long time collector of objects from around the globe.
In my search i stumbled upon a few objects where you could be the solution in helping me to determine the what,where,& when of these objects. My knowledge of African Arts is poor,so I'm very thankfull for all the help you can give me to find these answers.

The pictures of these objects you can find in the folder with the name Andrews foto's:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/list
The objects are a pair of tuskshaped .... ?
Also, they are carved out, and the material appears to be ivory. But it also could be a tooth(HYPPO ?),or a bone ? I personally think it was a kind of a ritual necklace or, most probably, a Dagger holder.
What I can tell is that the Belgian woman I have bought them from said to me they originated from their former colony Congo, nowadays Za�re.

To finish this writing I have a last question about an ebony sculpture where i have no clue about at all:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/711025789/pic/1181061613/view

#5759

From: Lee Rubinstein <leerubinstein@...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: Neck Rests

leerubinstein

From: yonas abebe <yonasabebe2002@...>
Date: March 25, 2012 11:42:34 AM EDT

Subject: Fw: [African_Arts] Neck Rests

This Headrest is used by both Somali men and women while resting or sleeping. It is popularly believed that the headrest serves a protective function by elevating the head off the ground during sleep, thereby preventing any possible attack by snakes or scorpions. Men's headrests, such as this one, generally feature a smaller base that makes them somewhat unstable to sleep on, while the rectangular bases of women's headrests are usually more stable. Scholars suggest that this instability is purposeful as it prevents the user from falling into a deep sleep while guarding the herds at night. It is in this sense that the headrest itself has become a symbol of vigilance among Somali nomads. In this example, the surface decorations of both supports are identical and feature interlaced rope motifs on the top and bottom interrupted by a honeycomb-like relief in the middle. The patterns on this and many other Somali headrests probably reflect the Islamic influence in the region. Some scholars interpret the patterns and iconography as a "form of shorthand for a prayer," to ensure God's protection of the sleeper. Headrests also play an important role in the nuptial ceremonies of Somali nomads. On his wedding night, the groom places the tubash (a sum of money) under the bride's headrest. The morning after the marriage is consummated, the bride will use this money to purchase an amber necklace, the symbol of her new status.
The headrests are carved from a single piece of fine-grained wood known as hagar in Somali, or also yucub wood. The wood is usually left its natural color, but is sometimes painted red or black by its owner. Somali nomads also make use of another type of headrest with a single cylindrical supporting column. It appears that the different styles are for men of different status, with the single-columned variety for young men and the double-columned variety, as seen here, reserved for elders.

[Moderators note: This interesting response previously submitted by group member Yonas Bebe has for some unknown reason not yet appeared among responses to the group and has been copied and re-submitted. Lee]

On Mar 20, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Spurr wrote:

Hello Grant,

They are ascribed to the Boni people of Somalia and Northern Kenya. The Boni are pastoral nomads. An excellent introduction to them may be found at Rand Tribal Art:

http://www.randafricanart.com/Boni_headrest_2_Somalia.html

Jeff Spurr

Cane someone identify these two neck rests, Thanks.

Cane someone identify these two neck rests, Thanks.

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#5760

From: "esuccetti" <esuccetti@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:30 pm
Subject: Need help to identify an object

esuccetti

Hello to all members,
I need help to identify an object. The link to the photos is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/610168009/pic/list

Thanks a lot,
Eduardo

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#5761

From: "akaparkero" <pclcombs@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:30 pm
Subject: terracotta head

akaparkero

Greetings to all,

I have a recent acquisition that seems very interesting, at least to me! My
experience is close to nil concerning African Art, and the little experience
that I do have tells me these can be a somewhat tricky area of exploration. I
believe it is made from terra cotta. It has a label that designates it as being
from the Dan people in Namibia. From what I understand the Dan people were from
Liberia, not Namibia. It measures 7.5 x 4.5 x 2.75 inches. Anyhow, I would be
grateful for any information regarding this item and it's possible origin and
use. I have uploaded an album with 3 photographs of the "mask:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1465546423/pic/list
Any thoughts, feelings, and of course knowledge of similar would be appreciated.

Thanks and best, akaparkero

#5762

From: Beth Peart <beepeawee1@...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: terracotta head

beepeawee1...

Definitely looks Dan, and yes, Liberia, not Nanibia. As for authenticity, others will have to weigh in.

ONÍSÙÚRÙ NI YÍÒ JOGÚN AYÉ
The patient person shall inherit the earth

From: akaparkero <pclcombs@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:30:58 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] terracotta head

Greetings to all,

I have a recent acquisition that seems very interesting, at least to me! My experience is close to nil concerning African Art, and the little experience that I do have tells me these can be a somewhat tricky area of exploration. I believe it is made from terra cotta. It has a label that designates it as being from the Dan people in Namibia. From what I understand the Dan people were from Liberia, not Namibia. It measures 7.5 x 4.5 x 2.75 inches. Anyhow, I would be grateful for any information regarding this item and it's possible origin and use. I have uploaded an album with 3 photographs of the "mask:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1465546423/pic/list
Any thoughts, feelings, and of course knowledge of similar would be appreciated.

Thanks and best, akaparkero

#5763

From: "gi mateusen" <mateusen@...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:27 am
Subject: Re: Need help to identify an object

mateusen1