I posted some image of NKondi I have, check them out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1193089081/pic/list

Jacques


--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "jacquesrivest" <j.rivest@...> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is called a NKondi. It is a recent piece for sure. Is it a Nkisi
you ask ? To have the name of Nkisi, it must have been used for it's original
purpose which I doubt (at first, a NKondi was used for "archivist purpose" of
the village). If by NKisi, the seller ment it was hand made (fétish), he is
correct. It is a good piece but not expensive. The more older pieces will easely
reach 100K$ and more.
> Jacques
>
> --- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "miertje2777777" <miranda27@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Im a new into African art. I have the opportunity to buy the following
Nkisi, which I found very attractive.
> >
> > Could someone help me to see if it looks like an authentic Nkisi or not?
> >
> > The seller says it's an old piece, comming from someone who has traveled in
Africa for a long time.
> >
> > According to the seller, the glass on the eyes and on the belly is still
intact.
> >
> > Photo's:
> >
> > http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/80/005sni.jpg/
> >
> > http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/006wxn.jpg/
> >
> > http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/007is.jpg/
> >
> > http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/008gjw.jpg/
> >
> > Thanks for all.
> >
> > Miranda
> >
>

It is just that I am not familiar with any groups, sry. I can be reach at
j.rivest@... or at info@... - www.conseildesarts.org (I
am the director of the Council)or by phone at the Council or at home if you ask
me for my number and yes, I might be hard to reach.

If you make a search on me, I was for 15 years the ceo of the "Fondation des
arts et métiers d'art du Québec - Artotheque de Montreal, 1993-2007" and I am in
the field of art since 1979. I took this dossier about 6 years ago because the
"collectionneur", which I knew for another 5 years prior to that, ask me to help
him out with is collection. It has been a wonderfull quest and I met really very
nice scholar in the African field.

I have the necessary papers for exportation of the pieces but I do not have any
pictures, let us say, about people digging up to find the Ntadi or other kind of
things. Most people I talk to ask for that kind of pictures. The collectionneur
is a prince in is tribe and really started his collection in the '40 asking
chiefs and other relation for objets.

As for auction houses, not knowing to much about that, twice did I ask a african
art dealer, but, so far with no succes.

I am trying this group to see what kind of things I can do here and I will see.

To complete the message I just sent you Ann. I dont mind here to post my
responds but at one point, I will not put to many pictures of the pieces, nor
will I disclose the "collectionneur" name or the import-export papers. This will
be a more person to person approach at one point. I do not know enough about
your world so I want to be cautious for now. It is up to you to continue here or
go private with my email.

Since your asking, do you think I am not enough open or am I on the right trak ?
This was my original question: How do I go about the market ?

Jacques Rivest


--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Ann Porteus <ann@...> wrote:
>
> Well hello Jacques,
> Just wonder why you prefer mail to be directed to your private address rather
than share the information with the group?
> Do I sense a scam here?
>
>
> Ann Porteus
> Sidewalk Tribal Gallery
> http://goo.gl/ftEh3
> Tel: +61414340331
> Fax: +61362240331
> Office: +61362240331
> ann@...
>
>
> Sent from my iPad.
>
> On 12/01/2012, at 8:19 AM, "jacquesrivest" <j.rivest@...> wrote:
>
> > New user, Hello to all,
> >
> > I am handling a collection of about a 1000 africain objets mainly from the
République démocratique du Congo - RDC (Kongo). Of this collection, there are
about 30 exceptionnal pieces (ex. NKondi of 157cm, dating from C. 1870-1920),
collectable items and objects of lesser importance.
> >
> > I am French from Canada, so dont mind my English.
> >
> > Dr Frère Joseph-Aurelien Cornet came to Montréal in 2001 to inspect the
collection which is documented, and we ask the following experts to authentify
part of the collection: Dr. K. Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau, Dr. Niangi Batulukisi and
Dr. Diala Touré. We also got in touch with Raoul LeHuard but he seem a very
busy and difficult person.
> >
> > As for the 1972 Unesco, more precisely the "Vingtième session Paris, 24
octobre - 28 novembre 1978, Annexe. Statuts du Comité intergouvernemental pour
la promotion du retour de biens culturels à leurs pays d'origine ou de leur
restitution en cas d'appropriation illégale, article 3, the collection has the
necessary papers of export and import.
> >
> > So far, the "collectionneur" gave a few pieces to the Royal Ontario Museum
which is a high class museum in Canada. I tried to get in touch with some
auction houses in Europe, with no succes.
> >
> > My question if somebody can help me:
> > How do I present exceptionnal and collectables items to the market ?
> >
> > Thank you for your time. Please, I am not to familiar on any groups. You can
email me at j.rivest@...
> >
> > Jacques Rivest
> >
> >
>

 

It is just that I am not familiar with any groups, sry. I can be reach at j.rivest@... or at info@... - www.conseildesarts.org (I am the director of the Council)or by phone at the Council or at home if you ask me for my number and yes, I might be hard to reach.

If you make a search on me, I was for 15 years the ceo of the "Fondation des arts et métiers d'art du Québec - Artotheque de Montreal, 1993-2007" and I am in the field of art since 1979. I took this dossier about 6 years ago because the "collectionneur", which I knew for another 5 years prior to that, ask me to help him out with is collection. It has been a wonderfull quest and I met really very nice scholar in the African field.

I have the necessary papers for exportation of the pieces but I do not have any pictures, let us say, about people digging up to find the Ntadi or other kind of things. Most people I talk to ask for that kind of pictures. The collectionneur is a prince in is tribe and really started his collection in the '40 asking chiefs and other relation for objets.

As for auction houses, not knowing to much about that, twice did I ask a african art dealer, but, so far with no succes.

I am trying this group to see what kind of things I can do here and I will see.

To complete the message I just sent you Ann. I dont mind here to post my responds but at one point, I will not put to many pictures of the pieces, nor will I disclose the "collectionneur" name or the import-export papers. This will be a more person to person approach at one point. I do not know enough about your world so I want to be cautious for now. It is up to you to continue here or go private with my email.

Since your asking, do you think I am not enough open or am I on the right trak ?
This was my original question: How do I go about the market ?

Jacques Rivest

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Ann Porteus <ann@...> wrote:
>
> Well hello Jacques,
> Just wonder why you prefer mail to be directed to your private address rather than share the information with the group?
> Do I sense a scam here?
>
>
> Ann Porteus
> Sidewalk Tribal Gallery
> http://goo.gl/ftEh3
> Tel: +61414340331
> Fax: +61362240331
> Office: +61362240331
> ann@...
>
>
> Sent from my iPad.
>
> On 12/01/2012, at 8:19 AM, "jacquesrivest" <j.rivest@...> wrote:
>
> > New user, Hello to all,
> >
> > I am handling a collection of about a 1000 africain objets mainly from the République démocratique du Congo - RDC (Kongo). Of this collection, there are about 30 exceptionnal pieces (ex. NKondi of 157cm, dating from C. 1870-1920), collectable items and objects of lesser importance.
> >
> > I am French from Canada, so dont mind my English.
> >
> > Dr Frère Joseph-Aurelien Cornet came to Montréal in 2001 to inspect the collection which is documented, and we ask the following experts to authentify part of the collection: Dr. K. Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau, Dr. Niangi Batulukisi and Dr. Diala Touré. We also got in touch with Raoul LeHuard but he seem a very busy and difficult person.
> >
> > As for the 1972 Unesco, more precisely the "Vingtième session Paris, 24 octobre - 28 novembre 1978, Annexe. Statuts du Comité intergouvernemental pour la promotion du retour de biens culturels à leurs pays d'origine ou de leur restitution en cas d'appropriation illégale, article 3, the collection has the necessary papers of export and import.
> >
> > So far, the "collectionneur" gave a few pieces to the Royal Ontario Museum which is a high class museum in Canada. I tried to get in touch with some auction houses in Europe, with no succes.
> >
> > My question if somebody can help me:
> > How do I present exceptionnal and collectables items to the market ?
> >
> > Thank you for your time. Please, I am not to familiar on any groups. You can email me at j.rivest@...
> >
> > Jacques Rivest
> >
> >
>

I would like to know if the smaller Lega masks/maskettes (lukwakongo)should
typically have a flat back. Is there a convention for these masks with regard to
the backside?

Thanks,

Ron

I will send you a picture  in attachement with my collection of small Lega
masks. Only  a few ones have a flat back side, mostly a concave back.
--
Gi Mateusen
mobile: +.32.(0)477.300679
E-mail: mateusen@...

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Gi Mateusen <mateusen@...> wrote:
>
> I will send you a picture  in attachement with my collection of small Lega
> masks. Only  a few ones have a flat back side, mostly a concave back.
> --
> Gi Mateusen
> mobile: +.32.(0)477.300679
> E-mail: mateusen@...
>
Thanks Gi. I'm getting the feeling that there is no convention, and most likely,
the flat backs are probably less common.

Ron

Hello African art lovers,

Can somebody help me to indentify this sculpture?
It looks very old to me, has cracks and traces of woodworm and all kind of small
nailes in to it. Between the cubical decorations there are traces of yellow and
red patina. It has an old metal ring mounted on top.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1494091822/pic/list

I like it a lot, but I don't have a clue on it's purpose and heritage.
Maybe it is some kind of wardrobe, hanger, or of course an old decorative 
piece.

Thanks for any respons. Thanks for looking in to it!

I have posted the pictures in the "photo's" folder on this African Arts forum.
The maps name is "Can somebody help me to indentify this sculpture?"

Kind regards,
Jacobus

Does not look tribal African to me. Some aspects of Indonesia. But an anomaly.


--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Gary Schulze <GARYGLS2000@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure this is from Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Artscollect <jaccoarts0@...>
> To: African_Arts <African_Arts@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:53 am
> Subject: [African_Arts] Can somebody help me to indentify this sculpture?
>
>
>
>
> Hello African art lovers,
>
> Can somebody help me to indentify this sculpture?
> It looks very old to me, has cracks and traces of woodworm and all kind of
small nailes in to it. Between the cubical decorations there are traces of
yellow and red patina. It has an old metal ring mounted on top.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1494091822/pic/list
>
> I like it a lot, but I don't have a clue on it's purpose and heritage.
> Maybe it is some kind of wardrobe, hanger, or of course an old decorative
piece.
>
> Thanks for any respons. Thanks for looking in to it!
>
> I have posted the pictures in the "photo's" folder on this African Arts forum.
The maps name is "Can somebody help me to indentify this sculpture?"
>
> Kind regards,
> Jacobus
>

Hi Group!
  Was able to purchase a few pieces the other day and wanted to ask about this
figure. I beleive it is Fante , but was wanting the opinion and input of the
group. I have a bunch of pictures in the photo section under Fante Figure:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1699643907/pic/list
I will also include some pictures of a couple of the other figures , a baule ,
and I beleive a Teke figure.
              Kevin.

Hi Kevin --

I saw the lot that included these pieces on Ebay.  Seeing your photos, I can
say: good buy, especially if you didn't have to pay shipping on that gigantic
Baule seated figure (which I thought, btw, looked very finely carved but also
not terribly attractive and pretty suspicious from an authenticity standpoint).

The Fante figure -- I agree that's what it is -- looks much better in your
photographs than it did in the original listing.  From your pictures I'd guess
it's got a good chance of being authentic.  The surface looks right.  The fine
rendering of the hands and expressivity of the face are, in my opinion,  signs
of quality and perhaps age.

I'm not so sure about the Baule figure, though.  It's both elaborate and kind of
crude, which to my eye isn't a good sign; the erosion on the base also makes me
suspicious, since that's a typical artificial-aging gambit.  Baule pieces are
tricky, because there are so many good copies out there.

The Teke figure, for what it's worth, also looks potentially right to me, from
an authenticity point of view, but on the basis of the photos I've seen it's
tougher to make a quality judgment.

John Monroe




________________________________________
From: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com [African_Arts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin [bent_twigs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:09 PM
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [African_Arts] Fante Figure? or something else?

Hi Group!
Was able to purchase a few pieces the other day and wanted to ask about this
figure. I beleive it is Fante , but was wanting the opinion and input of the
group. I have a bunch of pictures in the photo section under Fante Figure:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1699643907/pic/list
I will also include some pictures of a couple of the other figures , a baule ,
and I beleive a Teke figure.
Kevin.

Hi John,

     These are from the lot you viewed on e-bay. I was able to pick them up
rather than having them shipped. I was worried that the large Baule might not
survive the trip in the mail. That piece is very nicely carved and may be the
finest carving I have. As far as the authenticity , I am not sure. The small
Baule figure was the piece that the seller felt was the best of the group. He
certainly could have done better with them on the sale had he taken better
pictures. I was very pleased when I picked them up .If you would like to see
more pictures of the Teke figure(or the others also) let me know and I will take
more and post them . I had no idea that the smaller figures would be as nice as
they were. The seller said that the pieces were from his fathers collection and
were bought from a gallery in Montreal and the large one from a gallery in
Michigan.
                     Kevin.

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "Monroe, John W [HIST]" <jmonroe@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin --
>
> I saw the lot that included these pieces on Ebay.  Seeing your photos, I can
say: good buy, especially if you didn't have to pay shipping on that gigantic
Baule seated figure (which I thought, btw, looked very finely carved but also
not terribly attractive and pretty suspicious from an authenticity standpoint).
>
> The Fante figure -- I agree that's what it is -- looks much better in your
photographs than it did in the original listing.  From your pictures I'd guess
it's got a good chance of being authentic.  The surface looks right.  The fine
rendering of the hands and expressivity of the face are, in my opinion,  signs
of quality and perhaps age.
>
> I'm not so sure about the Baule figure, though.  It's both elaborate and kind
of crude, which to my eye isn't a good sign; the erosion on the base also makes
me suspicious, since that's a typical artificial-aging gambit.  Baule pieces are
tricky, because there are so many good copies out there.
>
> The Teke figure, for what it's worth, also looks potentially right to me, from
an authenticity point of view, but on the basis of the photos I've seen it's
tougher to make a quality judgment.
>
> John Monroe
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com [African_Arts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin [bent_twigs@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [African_Arts] Fante Figure? or something else?
>
> Hi Group!
> Was able to purchase a few pieces the other day and wanted to ask about this
figure. I beleive it is Fante , but was wanting the opinion and input of the
group. I have a bunch of pictures in the photo section under Fante Figure:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1699643907/pic/list
> I will also include some pictures of a couple of the other figures , a baule ,
and I beleive a Teke figure.
> Kevin.
>

I recently purchased this mask, which was once in the collection of Simon
Ottenberg; he is an emeritus professor of Anthropology at the University of
Washington, Seattle. I was told that it entered his collection around 1960, but
don't know if he actually collected it during one of his trips.  I can't find
any other examples of this style, and would appreciate any comments as to its
origin or purpose, and of course, authenticity.  The mask is about 16 inches
tall, but not excessively heavy for its size. Oddly, there is a plug at the top
and at the bottom, making me wonder if it was originally on a staff, or acted as
a finial. The nose is red on one side, and white on the other.  I have posted 2
pictures in a folder labeled "RP Kenmore":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/25319783/pic/list

Thanks,

Ron

Hello group,
I am in the process of a donation and I need to put a value on a Songye Mask. It
as been authentified by expert and it as typical résine in the back. Can you
help me out ?
My problem is that this mask is not very well cisel and I can not compare it to
what I saw so far.
I put the pictures in an album tittled 00J.Rivest / African Objects collection.
Thank you.
Jacques

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/2021863412/pic/list

Hi,

I recently acquired a mask in Congo (DRC). It was identified as a rare Kuba
warrior mask and it came from a village near Mweka in Kasai-Occidental. So far I
have not been able to find any reference as it is quiet different from other
Kuba masks I have or have seen.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/466496026/pic/list

In addition I also have a mask and a statue that came from a Nbaka or Ngombe
people of Equateur Province on DRC.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/625304536/pic/list

Can anyone point me to reference on objects similar to these?

Thanks,
Tom

I have recently come back from a few weeks in Burkina Faso (what a great
country) and of course brought back a few masks with me - some older and some
new.

For the sheer joy of exploring, collecting and sharing I have posted 6 of them
in an album (2 shots of each).


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/888905001/pic/list

There are 4 traditional forms from the Bobo and 2 from the Ivory Coast.

Things that might be of interest:

1. I found the figure on top of the Kpelie particularly intriguing - I am
confident this piece has age (from a village I visited on the border)
2. The Bobo piece with the repaired crest has very "Dr Suess like"
characteristics and I have since managed to track down a single image of the
style from a 1970's publication
3. The polychrome pieces vary in age

I'll post the remaining pieces when they have been shot - they are shot to be
placed on black backgrounds so please forgive the shadows on the wall.

If you are interested, Burkina Faso photos from the trip are at
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fragments-of-Africa/157096650974287?ref=ts

Enjoy.....
Andrew