You do know these ceremonies cannot possibly be authentic, they've been contaminated by outsiders. And the people are not smart enough to ward off the outside...
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Cathy Davis
cathywinsor
Jun 4, 2009 11:01 pm
I am not sure how long you have lived in Nigeria to understand what is going through people's minds at a ceremony of this kind, or what you mean by the people...
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GARYGLS2000@...
bunumbu
Jun 4, 2009 11:01 pm
Aaron, you are absolutely wrong. Ceremonies like these go on all over Africa with or without tourists, many of them in total secrecy.. Some of the masks and...
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beepeawee1@...
elegbarasdau...
Jun 4, 2009 11:02 pm
You know, culture is not static? - it is fluid. One may argue that all African (for that matter all) culture is "contaminated" (what a yucky word) since...
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Aaron Weston
impex7
Jun 5, 2009 12:45 pm
Gary, I have witnessed to a number of these ceremonies over the years. The comment was supposed to be Satirical Joke....... ... From: GARYGLS2000@......
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M.E.F.
mfliegelmann
Jun 5, 2009 12:47 pm
Gary, I second that wholeheartedly. While some of us will for ever update all the gadgets in our lives, we expect others to stay in an unchanged state of...
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M.E.F.
mfliegelmann
Jun 5, 2009 12:49 pm
Yes!!! I know how you feel. You are expected to be the depository of authenticity while others romp around from culture to culture. Should we tell all the...
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mfliegelmann
Jun 5, 2009 1:14 pm
There have been a few of them (fairs, auctions and sales) these past few weeks and there are a few more on the near horizon. (New York, Paris, etc.) My own...
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Aaron Weston
impex7
Jun 5, 2009 1:20 pm
Have you ever read, "A Modest Proposal"? Felix ... From: beepeawee1@... <beepeawee1@...> Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Masquerade in Enugu To:...
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beepeawee1@...
elegbarasdau...
Jun 5, 2009 1:44 pm
Yes...I think I created a receipe or two afterwards. :-P ... From: Aaron Weston <impex7@...> To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10...
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dwolf22@...
nashoni_art
Jun 5, 2009 7:51 pm
Aaron , Lest you should feel that satire is lost entirely upon the masses ... I just want to let you know that that is how I read your original comment - as a...
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Aaron Weston
impex7
Jun 5, 2009 7:51 pm
Then I'm sure you understand my comments....... ... From: beepeawee1@... <beepeawee1@...> Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Masquerade in Enugu To:...
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Aaron Weston
impex7
Jun 6, 2009 1:48 am
You betcha! As Sarah would say......... ... From: dwolf22@... <dwolf22@...> Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Masquerade in Enugu To:...
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Cathy Davis
cathywinsor
Jun 6, 2009 2:14 pm
Agreed, as I'd missed out on intervening discussion I was slightly gobsmacked. The satirical angle was completely lost on me! ... -- Cathy Davis Thermes...
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M.E.F.
mfliegelmann
Jun 7, 2009 3:49 am
Has anyone been to the BRUNEAF art fair? How is it going given the circumstances? I bet the air of euphoria of the two or three previous years is absent. M ......
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Norden david
nordend
Jun 7, 2009 5:33 am
To Margalit (and the others), You bet is wrong, most dealers and myself did quite well during this edition of the Brussel events. Those attending are the ones...
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ari birnbaum
arib100
Jun 7, 2009 2:26 pm
... href="http://www.bruneaf.com/fr/catalogue.html" To: arie birnbaum Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Fw: BRUNEAF 2009 ... From: Galerie Patrick...
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M.E.F.
mfliegelmann
Jun 7, 2009 2:27 pm
David (and others) Â very nice that I gave you a chance to promote your wear and that of others. The fact is, that I am sure if a mask sold, on average,...
Hi ,can anyone please recommend a lab in Europe , preferable the UK,where I can get a bronze head dated. Also if anyone's got African contemporary art from...
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mktrupp
Jun 12, 2009 4:07 am
... Oxford University TL test* *Moderator's note: See The Luminescence Dating Laboratory at the Research Laboratory for Archaeology and the History of Art,...
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prof_bill_watson
prof_bill_wa...
Jun 12, 2009 4:08 am
As far as I know, metal objects cannot be dated. Any dating is done by context; that is by C-14, thermoluminescence or typological dating of artifacts found in...
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M.E.F.
mfliegelmann
Jun 12, 2009 11:59 am
Yes, I confirm that. Oxford labs don't deal with metal. Margalit ... From: prof_bill_watson <prof_bill_watson@...> Subject: [African_Arts] Re: bronze...
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digweze
Jun 13, 2009 4:25 am
... Thanks for the insight. Sad that bronze works can't be dated. It does make collecting them tricky business....
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michael trupp
mktrupp
Jun 13, 2009 4:26 am
Sorry to disagree but I got a copy of a report  that was done on a casting core inside a bronze Buddha that was TL tested in 1990 , I got this info from...
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Mark Rasmussen
artauthentic...
Jun 13, 2009 4:27 am
Hello All, Brass/bronze objects can be directly dated using TL on their casting core (heated during the casting process) - Oxford Authentication (the only lab ...
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ari birnbaum
arib100
Jun 13, 2009 1:19 pm
... Subject: Recession? No provenance -estimate up to 15,000 Euro? Sold for 105,000 Euro!!! Subject: Re: VAN HAM - Kunstauktionen And hear is the mask... ...
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Aaron Weston
impex7
Jun 14, 2009 4:16 am
The bronze must have core material in order to be tested........ Felix ... From: michael trupp <mktrupp@...> Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re: bronze...
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Paul DeLucco
pauldelucco
Jun 15, 2009 2:34 am
Ari,  Very interesting. Presumably, at least two collectors wanted it and bit it up to such heights.  It is a rare version of the Songye Kifwebe, but,...
