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#3784 From: "afriqueetc" <afriqueetc@...>
Date: Mon Feb 2, 2009 1:39 am
Subject: Spoon of Unknown Origin
afriqueetc
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Dear Members of African_Arts,

I bought a spoon some years ago, but have never figured out its
origin. It was sold as Fang by a dealer who sells nothing but African
art. However, he told me that he acquired it as part of a trade, so
it may not even be African. I have seen a number of spoons with bird
finials in Native American art, but none that resemble this one.

If anyone knows the ethnic group that this spoon comes from or has
any guesses based on the spoon's specific features, I would love to
hear your ideas. I follow all postings in this group and have found
that there are some very knowledgeable members, so I hope I can
finally solve this personal mystery. Thanks in advance.

George

The photos are placed under AfriqueEtc:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1149994923/pic/list

#3785 From: "wojtkowskijames" <wojtkowskijames@...>
Date: Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: help to identify this mask, please
wojtkowskijames
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We are having trouble identifying this mask - it seems too thick to be a gourd
but too thin to
be wood? See Photos 'Petra and James African Art':

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/list

Thanks for your help, Jim and Petra

#3786 From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: help to identify this mask, please
leerubinstein
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Jim and Petra:

It looks to me as if the object you have presented is likely well-hollowed wood, as is often seen in Tuareg wooden bowls which are generally quite thin.  To my eye and mind, though, the object seems to be a strangely hybridized combination of influences:  While the geometric incising seen toward outer the rim of the object resemble similar decoration which can be seen on Tuareg bowls, the facial features of the "mask" resemble a Baule kple kple mask!

Anyone?

Lee


On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM, wojtkowskijames wrote:

We are having trouble identifying this mask - it seems too thick to be a gourd but too thin to 
be wood? See Photos 'Petra and James African Art':

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/list

Thanks for your help, Jim and Petra



#3787 From: "Andrew" <andrew@...>
Date: Thu Feb 5, 2009 12:00 am
Subject: Re: help to identify this mask, please
turley19at
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I am no expert but from the representation of mouth, eyes, shape and incised
lines I
would hazard a guess that this is a stylised version of a round Kifwebe from the
BaLuba in
the DRC (without the whitened parallel grooves)

"Examples of round kifwebe masks with broad noses, rectangular mouths, and
flattened
crests, entered European collections by the second half of the nineteenth
century. During
the first two decades of the twentieth century, the kifwebe masking tradition
spread
throughout the Luba and Songye regions of southwest DRC"






--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...> wrote:
>
> Jim and Petra:
>
> It looks to me as if the object you have presented is likely well-
> hollowed wood, as is often seen in Tuareg wooden bowls which are
> generally quite thin.  To my eye and mind, though, the object seems to
> be a strangely hybridized combination of influences:  While the
> geometric incising seen toward outer the rim of the object resemble
> similar decoration which can be seen on Tuareg bowls, the facial
> features of the "mask" resemble a Baule kple kple mask!
>
> Anyone?
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM, wojtkowskijames wrote:
>
> > We are having trouble identifying this mask - it seems too thick to
> > be a gourd but too thin to
> > be wood? See Photos 'Petra and James African Art':
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/list
> >
> > Thanks for your help, Jim and Petra
> >
> >
> >
>

#3788 From: "G. Wood" <gwood1945@...>
Date: Thu Feb 5, 2009 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: help to identify this mask, please
gwood1945
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Lee, I concur- I have a Taureg bowl with very similar designs on the outer portion, scribed around the entire surface as you describe.  I too am puzzled about the style represented in the face.  I think that there are some interesting wear and use patterns and wonder what the age of the bowl/mask is?
 
<font face="comic sans ms">gwoodwishingyouthebest</font>



From: Andrew <andrew@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:00:24 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] Re: help to identify this mask, please

I am no expert but from the representation of mouth, eyes, shape and incised lines I
would hazard a guess that this is a stylised version of a round Kifwebe from the BaLuba in
the DRC (without the whitened parallel grooves)

"Examples of round kifwebe masks with broad noses, rectangular mouths, and flattened
crests, entered European collections by the second half of the nineteenth century. During
the first two decades of the twentieth century, the kifwebe masking tradition spread
throughout the Luba and Songye regions of southwest DRC"

--- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com, Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@ ...> wrote:
>
> Jim and Petra:
>
> It looks to me as if the object you have presented is likely well-
> hollowed wood, as is often seen in Tuareg wooden bowls which are
> generally quite thin. To my eye and mind, though, the object seems to
> be a strangely hybridized combination of influences: While the
> geometric incising seen toward outer the rim of the object resemble
> similar decoration which can be seen on Tuareg bowls, the facial
> features of the "mask" resemble a Baule kple kple mask!
>
> Anyone?
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM, wojtkowskijames wrote:
>
> > We are having trouble identifying this mask - it seems too thick to
> > be a gourd but too thin to
> > be wood? See Photos 'Petra and James African Art':
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1681444734 /pic/list
> >
> > Thanks for your help, Jim and Petra
> >
> >
> >
>


#3789 From: craig lewis <craig_n_emma@...>
Date: Thu Feb 5, 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: help to identify this mask, please
craig_n_emma
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I agree with Andrew, I have seen quite a few of these "decorative" Luba kifwebe style masks over the past few years. Some have been pierced as if for attachment some not and I've seen some with kaolim in the grooves and others like this without any colour decoration.
I certainly don't think it's a bowl!
Craig   

--- On Thu, 5/2/09, G. Wood <gwood1945@...> wrote:
From: G. Wood <gwood1945@...>
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re: help to identify this mask, please
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 5 February, 2009, 1:09 PM

Lee, I concur- I have a Taureg bowl with very similar designs on the outer portion, scribed around the entire surface as you describe.  I too am puzzled about the style represented in the face.  I think that there are some interesting wear and use patterns and wonder what the age of the bowl/mask is?
 
<font face="comic sans ms">gwoodwishingyoutheb est</font>



From: Andrew <andrew@suagacollect ion.com>
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:00:24 PM
Subject: [African_Arts] Re: help to identify this mask, please

I am no expert but from the representation of mouth, eyes, shape and incised lines I
would hazard a guess that this is a stylised version of a round Kifwebe from the BaLuba in
the DRC (without the whitened parallel grooves)

"Examples of round kifwebe masks with broad noses, rectangular mouths, and flattened
crests, entered European collections by the second half of the nineteenth century. During
the first two decades of the twentieth century, the kifwebe masking tradition spread
throughout the Luba and Songye regions of southwest DRC"

--- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com, Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@ ...> wrote:
>
> Jim and Petra:
>
> It looks to me as if the object you have presented is likely well-
> hollowed wood, as is often seen in Tuareg wooden bowls which are
> generally quite thin. To my eye and mind, though, the object seems to
> be a strangely hybridized combination of influences: While the
> geometric incising seen toward outer the rim of the object resemble
> similar decoration which can be seen on Tuareg bowls, the facial
> features of the "mask" resemble a Baule kple kple mask!
>
> Anyone?
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM, wojtkowskijames wrote:
>
> > We are having trouble identifying this mask - it seems too thick to
> > be a gourd but too thin to
> > be wood? See Photos 'Petra and James African Art':
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1681444734 /pic/list
> >
> > Thanks for your help, Jim and Petra
> >
> >
> >
>



#3790 From: "wojtkowskijames" <wojtkowskijames@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 12:15 am
Subject: Mystery mask
wojtkowskijames
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Thanks to all of you who have offered some possible pieces to the puzzle of the
"bowl/mask" (obviously not a bowl due to the eye-slits), but Jim and I, who are
quite new to this fascinating field, are quite amazed with the complexities,
even surrounding what seems to be such a simple object! Any other ideas are
welcomed, and we are sure to have many more questions (and photos) in the near
future! Thanks again.... Jim &Petra

#3791 From: "toguna2002" <toguna2002@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 1:09 am
Subject: Re: help to identify this mask, please
toguna2002
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Hello Jim and Petra:
Lee is right with the bowl
It is the failed attempt to transform an old wooden Berber Cous-Cous
bowl into an old Luba Kifwebe mask. It is recently made in Morocco.
Last year I have seen some of these "masks" on the tourist markets of
Agadir, Essaouira and Marrakesh. It makes fun to ask the dealers,
which kind of mask it is and where it comes from. One gets funny
stories to hear.
It is amazing that in morocan villages you still can find beautiful
carved old bowls for some Euros and on the tourist markets you can see
tourists pay several hundred Euros for these allegedly "antique
masks". It`s a pity about the bowls...

But it is nevertheless a very interesting work for learning.
Normally the mouth and nose on the round Kifwebe masks is more
protuberant. But in the absence of thicker wood they have made a flat
relief. There is no point where mouth, nose or eyes are higher then
the radius of the bowl.
Compared with the work of the original bowl which is accurately carved
with fine cuted decoration the later carved face is awkwardly worked.
It is well to recognize that this work is made by two different hands.
Concerning the patina the inside of the bowl shows the original patina
of often washed wood and no wear or use patterns (from nose, cheek or
forehead) like normally the inside of used masks. The patina of the
inside is too remarkable different from the outside. After carving the
face the entire outside of the bowl is covered with a chemical glaze
or lacquer so that you cannot see "naked" wood.

I hope, this bad buy do not spoil your joy in African art. You are not
the first and not last who bought the wrong.

Sincerely
	 Armin

#3792 From: "paulr.blore" <paulr.blore@...>
Date: Sat Feb 7, 2009 7:33 am
Subject: Performance Training in West Africa
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Gambia Performing Arts Summer Intensive is a one-month professional
development program offering performance training, cultural exchange
and regional exploration in the tiny coastal nation of The Gambia.
Focusing in West African dance, rhythm, and masquerade, GPASI is a mix
of daily workshops & training, informative discussions with local
experts, as well as a handful of excursions.

This amazing program takes place 12th July-12th August, 2009.

For more information, email gambiaperformingarts@...

Gambia Performing Arts Summer Intensive is a project of Eating Artists
Services (USA).

#3793 From: "Beth" <beepeawee1@...>
Date: Sat Feb 7, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: Help with Identification of Yoruba Object & Senseless Kindess
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I have posted 3 pictures
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/490621025/pic/468591792/\
view

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/490621025/pic/1458811688\
/view

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/490621025/pic/1791440089\
/view

of what suggests a type of Yoruba helmet-mask which I purchased about
a year ago. The seller thought it was an unusual Egungun helmet,
although the carved head sits on a bluish mud-daubed wicker basket
rather than coils of cloth. It is decorated with West African, North
American and Dutch coins, held in a muddy matrix. The rendering of
the mouth and the shape of the carved head/neck/mouth suggested to me
some affinity with Cross-River culture, but I would like to hear what
others may think.

I have also posted a picture of a Salampasu mask from the DRC
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/490621025/pic/474153652/\
view

which arrived today as a gift from an unbelievably kind online
auction seller who took some sort of hard-to-explain shine to me on
Inauguration Day last month. After I bought it, the seller waived the
charges and asked me just to enjoy it. It's posted for you enjoyment,
too. I have never been so struck dumb. I've taken the experience as
an inspiration to practice more random acts of kindness and senseless
acts of beauty, myself.


Odabo
Beth

#3794 From: "wojtkowskijames" <wojtkowskijames@...>
Date: Sun Feb 8, 2009 12:36 am
Subject: Punu door
wojtkowskijames
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Hello, all. Thanks, Lee, Armin and others for your input!... and, no, our
experience with the "mystery mask" has done nothing to lessen our love for
African art. In fact, we are excited to learn all that we can (by the way, we
did not specifically buy that bowl/mask, rather it was included in a collection,
with some of which we will again ask kind assistance from members).
    Attached* are photos of a door which we figure is Punu (?) However, we have
not been able to learn what type of door this is. We are aware that the faces
are said to represent the spirits of deceased persons. Hence, could this be a
funerary door? It seems that it may be authentic, judging from the significant
wear around the edges of the door (?)
   Some other interesting aspects include the repair-work (cracks in the wood
have been mended with a rattan-type material, perhaps by the people who used it?
as glue was not used in its stead). Also, perhaps someone could shed some light
on the three holes in the door, which are also well-worn to the point of being
shiny in some areas.
    We are looking forward to another interesting discussion!

Thanks!  Petra and Jim
  wojtkowskijames@...

*Image links:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/656497648\
/view
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/482531439\
/view
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1681444734/pic/112999832\
1/view

#3795 From: "johnhf1947" <johnhfalkner@...>
Date: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: Lega Conundrum
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Greetings Group,

For those disinterested in Eastern Congo minutiae ,please change channels.

I have  a Lega  light wood Bwami figure which begs certain questions:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/55030353/pic/list

Standing some 14 in /36 cms tall it depicts an armless character who might be
the one Biebuyck describes as Ngeze, an aspirational  lazy – bones but without
the aptitude to make things happen.
Not a particularly rare style of figure and I suspect the face once  scrubbed of
its kaolin by an overly zealous collector.
However there are a few unusual features. For a start,there is a hollow core
running through the body of the figure.
The core is quite irregular and the opening on the top of the head would , if it
was ,say, Songye   suggest an aperture for a horn or similar magical
substance.(To avoid Group blushes,a photograph of the underside will not be
posted in the photos Lega Conundrum) But to the best of my knowledge the Lega do
not do this.  It has  obviously been the guest of wood boring insects.Many of
these holes have been 'enhanced'  by indentations made with presumably a square
nail/punch . And many added with no reference to insect activity .This might
suggests  allusions to Katana  (adulterous wife/sleeping mat/army of red ants,
other metaphors for potential danger)
But even stranger are the systematic stab holes presumably made with the point
of a ( back ridged ?) knife formed in a circle around the top of the head - and
similarly  the upper thigh/ groin area.

Any ideas , anyone?

Best wishes from France; John HF

#3796 From: Paul DeLucco <pauldelucco@...>
Date: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Lega Conundrum
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John,
 
Expertising Lega art is frustrating because the basic forms are simple and easily copied.  Authentic pieces have a subtlety about them and usually incorporate odd embelishments that are not open to easy explanation.
 
Your figure is Lega but has odd features, especially the eyes.  The classic Lega figure has "coffee bean" eyes while your figure has round protuberant eyes.  The torso, even without arms, resembles other Lega figures. The legs are a bit thick and short but have the Lega form.  The hollow interior, as you say, is not a normal Lega feature.  We can assume it once contained a charge and was used as a power figure.  It apears to have been charred on top but a collector could have done that to repair crumbling or rotted wood. 
 
I would say that your piece is Lega but that it comes from the periphery of the Lega range, perhaps north and east, east of Shabunda.  Several groups neighboring the Lega have adopted the Mwami Society with all of its parables and paraphernalia over the years.  The Lengola, the Bangu-Bangu, the Kumu, the Nyanga, the Zimba, etc. have all produced art resembling Lega in style but incorporating their own stylistic elements.  This is a subject that everyone touches on from time to time.  Lee provided the best quotation recently:
 
Monica Blackmun Visona in "The Limitations of Labels," page 38, African Arts, Vol. 20, No. 4 (Aug., 1987):
 
As more and more data on African art are made available to us, it becomes apparent that the fluid variegated interethnic relationships... are the rule rather than the exception in Africa.  Interaction, not isolation, seems to characterize much of the production and distribution of traditional art forms.  
 
But, I have looked at figures from neighboring cultures and still think your figure is Lega albeit one that blends in some features from close neighbors.  This could explain why it has a hollow interior and probably held a charge.  I think you are correct that the punch marks go with armlessness as an illustration of some Bwami Society proverb but the exact one is not recorded by Bielbuyck.
 
As to the marks that look as if they were made by a knife, I investigated this question a few years ago in Zaire and was informed that these are natural marks that the wood makes as it ages.  I didn't believe it at the time as the marks looked so sharp and angular but gradually I have come to believe it.  Bielbuyck lists the names of the woods used for sculpture (I am in Northern Uganda now and cannot look up the reference).  In the western part of the Lega territory, west of Pangi, they seem to use a different, harder wood.  In the eastern part, north and south, they use this softer wood, and so do their neighbors.  This is the wood that over time seems to open up these odd slits.
 
I have opened a photo album titled "Lega Conundrum II" in which I have inserted photos of several masks from several different cultures all featuring the same curious slash marks, often in a line stretching across a piece of wood. 

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1908904961/ pic/list
 
In a way, I guess such marks might be seen as another sign of authenticity.
 
Regards,
 
Paul DeLucco
 
 


--- On Tue, 2/10/09, johnhf1947 <johnhfalkner@...> wrote:
From: johnhf1947 <johnhfalkner@...>
Subject: [African_Arts] Lega Conundrum
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 4:41 PM

Greetings Group,

For those disinterested in Eastern Congo minutiae ,please change channels.

I have a Lega light wood Bwami figure which begs certain questions:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/55030353/ pic/list

Standing some 14 in /36 cms tall it depicts an armless character who might be the one Biebuyck describes as Ngeze, an aspirational lazy – bones but without the aptitude to make things happen.
Not a particularly rare style of figure and I suspect the face once scrubbed of its kaolin by an overly zealous collector.
However there are a few unusual features. For a start,there is a hollow core running through the body of the figure.
The core is quite irregular and the opening on the top of the head would , if it was ,say, Songye suggest an aperture for a horn or similar magical substance.(To avoid Group blushes,a photograph of the underside will not be posted in the photos Lega Conundrum) But to the best of my knowledge the Lega do not do this. It has obviously been the guest of wood boring insects.Many of these holes have been 'enhanced' by indentations made with presumably a square nail/punch . And many added with no reference to insect activity .This might suggests allusions to Katana (adulterous wife/sleeping mat/army of red ants, other metaphors for potential danger)
But even stranger are the systematic stab holes presumably made with the point of a ( back ridged ?) knife formed in a circle around the top of the head - and similarly the upper thigh/ groin area.

Any ideas , anyone?

Best wishes from France; John HF



#3797 From: "wojtkowskijames" <wojtkowskijames@...>
Date: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:29 pm
Subject: still scratching our heads...
wojtkowskijames
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We have a lot of information on Puno masks, but have yet to find any info about
the same images appearing on a door.    We have included photos in our last
message, and hoped maybe someone could direct us to any references/books or
websites where we could further our research ... And, of course, we would love
to read of any ones experience with this type of object.
We are really excited to become part of this Group and look forward to
discussing and learning about the art.

#3798 From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: still scratching our heads...
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Petra and Jim,

It is difficult to discuss the authenticity of the specific door, or shutter, which you present -- or of the Punu door form generally,  because it is difficult to identify a representative body of comparative examples or related reportage regarding the occurrence of such objects in indigenous contexts.  The only example of a "Punu door" of significant and seemingly verifiable age to which I can refer you is not accompanied with any illuminating details other than its turn-of-the-20th-century introduction into the Musée de l'Homme collection which has recently been absorbed into the holdings of the Musée du quai Branly [QB] in Paris:  

N° inventaire : 71.1901.35.27
Ethnonyme(s) : Punu

Toponyme(s) : Gabon / Afrique centrale / Afrique

Personne(s) / Institution(s) :
Donateur : Henri Lousteau
Précédente collection : Musée de l'Homme (Afrique)
Description : Figure féminine sculptée en bas-relief, représentée de face, bras et jambes écartés. Coiffure à trois coques, collier au niveau du cou, scarification abdominales et au-dessus des seins.
Date(s) : 19e siècle
I do not know whether there is additional supporting information to verify the original location and verification of usage within collection data associated with the door nor have I been able to identify sources (which may be available?) which document the presence and prevalence of the use of these architectural elements in Punu communities.  I mention this uncertainty simply as a reminder that early collection history can provide verification of age but does not necessarily prove indigenous use or authenticity of an object (while the corollary truth remains that recent production and collection does not inherently denote the inverse...)  Beyond notable observable details of the QB example such as the wood base material, the relief carving technique and the traces of kaolin present on the door's surfaces, we don't have a broad selection of criteria to consider and compare to determine the authenticity and the geographical or contextual origins of this and other similar works that bear a strong resemblance to this particular door.  For instance, it is not clear (if we presume the authenticity of the example cited for the purposes of comparison) whether there is any documentation of the imagery that appears on such doors as a factor in determining authenticity or function;   for example, do such doors traditionally bear a full human figure, or do they also display series of masks as exhibited in your example?)  I am not certain regarding the significance of the isolated masks, or facial representations -- as opposed to the fully rendered figure, because I can't locate any examples or explication of this particular aspect.  

The fact is that there is a preponderance of such doors (or shutters) available on the market which display a variety of characteristics resembling both those observable in the QB example and your own -- Punu-styled relief carvings on the exterior surface, for instance.  Most related door examples which display this relief-carved and kaolin-covered mask/facial element as an aspect describe the function of the okuyi, or mukudj mask, generally -- but they don't provide accompanying information regarding the image's use as a decorative or functional, perhaps magical, architectural element.  Additionally, a broader search yields many examples of windows, shutters or doors, bearing the influences of other regional artistic traditions such as those of the Fang, Namji, Kota, etc., many of which are clearly more contemporary, commercial productions.  In the absence of criteria for assessment, one must consider the possibility that many such doors -- in Punu and other styles -- are more recent productions possibly produced not for indigenous usage but for commercial sale.  Although many such doors of various styles appear to be functional or to bear suggestions of age, these impressions are possibly the result of skillful craftsmanship rather than of actual function or age.  Once can see in the images from Foumban workshops provided in this link works which include both more local forms as well as examples of "Pounou windows"  produced in the region of Foumban, Cameroon.  (In this additional link from the same site you can also view glimpses of production, including the sanding of a "Punu mask" which illustrates the reproduction of the image as mask in this commercial production setting.)  

If I may, I'd like to go on a short tangent regarding the use of borrowed, or overly general, terminology to connote authenticity:  Frequently, doors of various styles and origins are presented as "granary doors" which suggests the possible transposition of terminology which is applicable to doors from, for instance, the Dogon context in Mali where such door panels (exhibiting Dogon imagery and quite different surface finishes) have been authentically produced as well as copiously reproduced but which may or may not be an appropriately applicable description of formally similar architectural elements which appear from other contexts.  Although we do not observe in the instance of "Punu doors" a movement or borrowing of traditional styles across so vast a geographical expanses as in the case of your bowl-become-mask which seemingly integrated stylistic elements and re-incarnated pre-existing forms from and in disparate locales, we do see in the use of such descriptions as "granary door" the migratory practice of applying terminology from other contexts to suggest the plausibility of authenticity and usage for analogous examples arising in other cultural and geographical contexts.  

This practice of applying knowledge and terminology in an overly broad manner omits vital steps of verification which are necessary to understanding, when possible, the specific regional and cultural authenticity and significance of analogous forms.  Perhaps the simplest example of such unproductive generalizations is the overly simple assumption that most African figures are, for example, "ancestor figures."  As a general rule, such an assumption is a plausible hypothesis;  but, in order to regard and understand whether such a classification is true and appropriate in specific instances, it is necessary to explore the perception and function of objects within the more localized cultural milieus in which such identities and significances are suggested to exist.  It is also advisable to keep in mind that such identities and meanings of forms/objects are also malleable and changing as reflections of the on-going transformations of the contexts from which they arise.  Given the transit of objects and their re-appearance in new contexts, the attachment of new appreciations and associations allows for objects to be recast in new roles;  even commercially produced works as well as works absorbed from other cultures may resonate with -- and can be integrated into -- other contexts both African and non-African.  To update an adage (comprehensibly, I hope): "One person's tourist art is another person's shrine object."  It is important, though, to seek to define not only meanings or functions but also the variable contexts in which these  meanings and functions are applicable.

As the various observations pertaining to the previous mask of which you posted images reminds us, it is a wholly subjective assessment as to whether the whole which is composed of diverse influences does indeed yield a product which is greater, lesser or equal to the sum of its parts.  Armin's contribution was particularly satisfying through its providing empirical evidence to identify a specific context in which such a work drawing from varied origins and influences came to be.  I agree with Andrew that the possible inspiration of the Luba kifwebe is indeed apparent in the final "mask" which was produced from the original bowl.  I, too, had considered the kifwebe influence on the style of the mask face but was inclined toward the likelihood of a more West African source of imagery (the kple kple) based on the mistaken hypothesis (not articulated) that the bowl from which it was carved had traveled southward and that the subsequent mask carving took place in a carving workshop in Abidjan or thereabouts.  That Armin was able to indicate more northerly locations -- in Morocco -- where such masks are being produced illuminates not only the broad distribution of ideas and images which are accessible to contemporary carvers and influential upon commercial carving activities but also widens the geographical range of contexts in which the recurrence and recycling of this imagery occurs.

In addition to encouraging exploration of traditional forms and meanings, I have long advocated the equal prioritization of one's own appreciation for the objects to which one has been drawn.  A traditionally inspired object moving through the world is like an echo which amplifies the forms which preceded it and propels new interest to understand both the origins of the object's form and the resonances which engage the attention and interest of persons in other contexts.  In the same manner that the many standardized tools of divination can produce a finite number of configurations, the interpretations and applications of those configurations generates an infinite range of outcomes in which we play an active role...

Keep scratching.

Lee


On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:29 AM, wojtkowskijames wrote:

We have a lot of information on Puno masks, but have yet to find any info about the same images appearing on a door. We have included photos in our last message, and hoped maybe someone could direct us to any references/books or websites where we could further our research ... And, of course, we would love to read of any ones experience with this type of object. 
We are really excited to become part of this Group and look forward to discussing and learning about the art. 



#3799 From: David Norden <david@...>
Date: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: still scratching our heads...
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Hi Lee, Petra and Jim,

For me it is obvious that the presented Punu door is not a traditional one. first the style is not right, the proportions make me think it has been inspired by a picture. Also the patina seems like it is not natural.
When you look at the door at the quai Branly, it is not a very nice one, but clearly has a natural aging at least.

David

Lee Rubinstein schreef:
Petra and Jim,

It is difficult to discuss the authenticity of the specific door, or shutter, which you present -- or of the Punu door form generally,  because it is difficult to identify a representative body of comparative examples or related reportage regarding the occurrence of such objects in indigenous contexts.  The only example of a "Punu door" of significant and seemingly verifiable age to which I can refer you is not accompanied with any illuminating details other than its turn-of-the-20th-century introduction into the Musée de l'Homme collection which has recently been absorbed into the holdings of the Musée du quai Branly [QB] in Paris:  

N° inventaire : 71.1901.35.27
Ethnonyme(s) : Punu

Toponyme(s) : Gabon / Afrique centrale / Afrique

Personne(s) / Institution(s) :
Donateur : Henri Lousteau
Précédente collection : Musée de l'Homme (Afrique)
Description : Figure féminine sculptée en bas-relief, représentée de face, bras et jambes écartés. Coiffure à trois coques, collier au niveau du cou, scarification abdominales et au-dessus des seins.
Date(s) : 19e siècle
I do not know whether there is additional supporting information to verify the original location and verification of usage within collection data associated with the door nor have I been able to identify sources (which may be available?) which document the presence and prevalence of the use of these architectural elements in Punu communities.  I mention this uncertainty simply as a reminder that early collection history can provide verification of age but does not necessarily prove indigenous use or authenticity of an object (while the corollary truth remains that recent production and collection does not inherently denote the inverse...)  Beyond notable observable details of the QB example such as the wood base material, the relief carving technique and the traces of kaolin present on the door's surfaces, we don't have a broad selection of criteria to consider and compare to determine the authenticity and the geographical or contextual origins of this and other similar works that bear a strong resemblance to this particular door.  For instance, it is not clear (if we presume the authenticity of the example cited for the purposes of comparison) whether there is any documentation of the imagery that appears on such doors as a factor in determining authenticity or function;   for example, do such doors traditionally bear a full human figure, or do they also display series of masks as exhibited in your example?)  I am not certain regarding the significance of the isolated masks, or facial representations -- as opposed to the fully rendered figure, because I can't locate any examples or explication of this particular aspect.  

The fact is that there is a preponderance of such doors (or shutters) available on the market which display a variety of characteristics resembling both those observable in the QB example and your own -- Punu-styled relief carvings on the exterior surface, for instance.  Most related door examples which display this relief-carved and kaolin-covered mask/facial element as an aspect describe the function of the okuyi, or mukudj mask, generally -- but they don't provide accompanying information regarding the image's use as a decorative or functional, perhaps magical, architectural element.  Additionally, a broader search yields many examples of windows, shutters or doors, bearing the influences of other regional artistic traditions such as those of the Fang, Namji, Kota, etc., many of which are clearly more contemporary, commercial productions.  In the absence of criteria for assessment, one must consider the possibility that many such doors -- in Punu and other styles -- are more recent productions possibly produced not for indigenous usage but for commercial sale.  Although many such doors of various styles appear to be functional or to bear suggestions of age, these impressions are possibly the result of skillful craftsmanship rather than of actual function or age.  Once can see in the images from Foumban workshops provided in this link works which include both more local forms as well as examples of "Pounou windows"  produced in the region of Foumban, Cameroon.  (In this additional link from the same site you can also view glimpses of production, including the sanding of a "Punu mask" which illustrates the reproduction of the image as mask in this commercial production setting.)  

If I may, I'd like to go on a short tangent regarding the use of borrowed, or overly general, terminology to connote authenticity:  Frequently, doors of various styles and origins are presented as "granary doors" which suggests the possible transposition of terminology which is applicable to doors from, for instance, the Dogon context in Mali where such door panels (exhibiting Dogon imagery and quite different surface finishes) have been authentically produced as well as copiously reproduced but which may or may not be an appropriately applicable description of formally similar architectural elements which appear from other contexts.  Although we do not observe in the instance of "Punu doors" a movement or borrowing of traditional styles across so vast a geographical expanses as in the case of your bowl-become-mask which seemingly integrated stylistic elements and re-incarnated pre-existing forms from and in disparate locales, we do see in the use of such descriptions as "granary door" the migratory practice of applying terminology from other contexts to suggest the plausibility of authenticity and usage for analogous examples arising in other cultural and geographical contexts.  

This practice of applying knowledge and terminology in an overly broad manner omits vital steps of verification which are necessary to understanding, when possible, the specific regional and cultural authenticity and significance of analogous forms.  Perhaps the simplest example of such unproductive generalizations is the overly simple assumption that most African figures are, for example, "ancestor figures."  As a general rule, such an assumption is a plausible hypothesis;  but, in order to regard and understand whether such a classification is true and appropriate in specific instances, it is necessary to explore the perception and function of objects within the more localized cultural milieus in which such identities and significances are suggested to exist.  It is also advisable to keep in mind that such identities and meanings of forms/objects are also malleable and changing as reflections of the on-going transformations of the contexts from which they arise.  Given the transit of objects and their re-appearance in new contexts, the attachment of new appreciations and associations allows for objects to be recast in new roles;  even commercially produced works as well as works absorbed from other cultures may resonate with -- and can be integrated into -- other contexts both African and non-African.  To update an adage (comprehensibly, I hope): "One person's tourist art is another person's shrine object."  It is important, though, to seek to define not only meanings or functions but also the variable contexts in which these  meanings and functions are applicable.

As the various observations pertaining to the previous mask of which you posted images reminds us, it is a wholly subjective assessment as to whether the whole which is composed of diverse influences does indeed yield a product which is greater, lesser or equal to the sum of its parts.  Armin's contribution was particularly satisfying through its providing empirical evidence to identify a specific context in which such a work drawing from varied origins and influences came to be.  I agree with Andrew that the possible inspiration of the Luba kifwebe is indeed apparent in the final "mask" which was produced from the original bowl.  I, too, had considered the kifwebe influence on the style of the mask face but was inclined toward the likelihood of a more West African source of imagery (the kple kple) based on the mistaken hypothesis (not articulated) that the bowl from which it was carved had traveled southward and that the subsequent mask carving took place in a carving workshop in Abidjan or thereabouts.  That Armin was able to indicate more northerly locations -- in Morocco -- where such masks are being produced illuminates not only the broad distribution of ideas and images which are accessible to contemporary carvers and influential upon commercial carving activities but also widens the geographical range of contexts in which the recurrence and recycling of this imagery occurs.

In addition to encouraging exploration of traditional forms and meanings, I have long advocated the equal prioritization of one's own appreciation for the objects to which one has been drawn.  A traditionally inspired object moving through the world is like an echo which amplifies the forms which preceded it and propels new interest to understand both the origins of the object's form and the resonances which engage the attention and interest of persons in other contexts.  In the same manner that the many standardized tools of divination can produce a finite number of configurations, the interpretations and applications of those configurations generates an infinite range of outcomes in which we play an active role...

Keep scratching.

Lee


On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:29 AM, wojtkowskijames wrote:

We have a lot of information on Puno masks, but have yet to find any info about the same images appearing on a door. We have included photos in our last message, and hoped maybe someone could direct us to any references/books or websites where we could further our research ... And, of course, we would love to read of any ones experience with this type of object. 
We are really excited to become part of this Group and look forward to discussing and learning about the art. 




#3800 From: "msjaquiss" <shawn@...>
Date: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:33 pm
Subject: Beaded wall hanging
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Hi!  My mom was in Kenya last summer and bought a beaded wall hanging
at a Maasai village as a gift for me.  The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging.  Can
anyone point me to some resources for learning more about the
style/value of something like this?

Thanks.

Shawn

#3801 From: beepeawee1@...
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:12 am
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
elegbarasdau...
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In a message dated 2/13/2009 6:47:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shawn@... writes:

... The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging...
Thanks.

Shawn

Shawn: Can you provide a picture? I am thinking perhaps you have an imported (from W Africa) diviner's belt. There are both ex-pat artists and West-inspired art fold in E Africa. Please post/send a picture.
Odabo
Beth
Beth

#3802 From: zawadi <zawadi4me@...>
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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Hi Shawn,

I have been down in South Africa this week and saw many of the wall hangings you describe in the Pan African Craft Market, it seems white is very trendy at the moment and apart from your wall hanging which I am sure is a Yoruba Beaded Diviners belt, they were also selling the Yoruba Beaded Crowns in white, and also the Bamileke tables also painted white....

All I believe are made for the decorating market, new and beautiful interpretations of old traditional  pieces...

Cheers,

Wendy

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, msjaquiss <shawn@...> wrote:
From: msjaquiss <shawn@...>
Subject: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:33 PM

Hi! My mom was in Kenya last summer and bought a beaded wall hanging
at a Maasai village as a gift for me. The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging. Can
anyone point me to some resources for learning more about the
style/value of something like this?

Thanks.

Shawn


#3803 From: "msjaquiss" <shawn@...>
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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Beth,

Thanks for your suggestion.  I posted some photos in a folder called
"Shawn's Wall Hanging":   
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/543250804/pic/list

I don't think that this item could be a belt.
It's very large (about 6 feet long and 1 foot wide) and appears to
have been created specifically as a wall hanging since there are
beaded tabs at the top.  It is also quite stiff and wouldn't drape
very well across or around the body.

Shawn


> Shawn: Can you provide a picture? I am thinking perhaps you have an imported
(from W Africa) diviner's belt. There are both ex-pat artists and  West-inspired
art fold in E Africa. Please post/send a picture.
  Odabo
  Beth

#3804 From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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Shawn,
Actually, your item is Yoruba and is "termed" a belt... not in the since of a belt used as an accessory to supplement holding trousers.
It is decorative.  Wendy pretty much nailed it.
 
Greetings from Istanbul, Turkey
 
Ed


From: msjaquiss <shawn@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:44:32 AM
Subject: [African_Arts] Re: Beaded wall hanging

Beth,

Thanks for your suggestion. I posted some photos in a folder called
"Shawn's Wall Hanging": http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/543250804/ pic/list

I don't think that this item could be a belt.
It's very large (about 6 feet long and 1 foot wide) and appears to
have been created specifically as a wall hanging since there are
beaded tabs at the top. It is also quite stiff and wouldn't drape
very well across or around the body.

Shawn

> Shawn: Can you provide a picture? I am thinking perhaps you have an imported (from W Africa) diviner's belt. There are both ex-pat artists and West-inspired art fold in E Africa. Please post/send a picture.
Odabo
Beth



#3805 From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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Wendy,
 
Have you seen any Shangaan clay pots, or many Zulu, Ndebele, Xhosa beaded authentic artifacts?  I have seen some terrific items in a book titled Zulu by Alex Zaloumis.  Additionally, there is an equally provoking book titled "South East African Bead-work"...1850-1910, From Adornment, to Artefact, to Art.  
 
South African and East African art is undoubtedly has fast become among my favorites.
 
Enjoy!
Ed


From: zawadi <zawadi4me@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging

Hi Shawn,

I have been down in South Africa this week and saw many of the wall hangings you describe in the Pan African Craft Market, it seems white is very trendy at the moment and apart from your wall hanging which I am sure is a Yoruba Beaded Diviners belt, they were also selling the Yoruba Beaded Crowns in white, and also the Bamileke tables also painted white....

All I believe are made for the decorating market, new and beautiful interpretations of old traditional  pieces...

Cheers,

Wendy

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com> wrote:
From: msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com>
Subject: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:33 PM

Hi! My mom was in Kenya last summer and bought a beaded wall hanging
at a Maasai village as a gift for me. The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging. Can
anyone point me to some resources for learning more about the
style/value of something like this?

Thanks.

Shawn



#3806 From: beepeawee1@...
Date: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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In a message dated 2/14/2009 3:14:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shawn@... writes:

Beth,

Thanks for your suggestion. I posted some photos in a folder called
"Shawn's Wall Hanging": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/543250804/pic/list

As others have already noted, and as I suspected in the first place, it is a Yoruba (Nigerian) diviner's belt and no, it isn't used to hold up trousers but is part of a priest-diviner (babalawo)'s regalia and is meant to be attached to the wearer, vertically. Sometimes you will see them refered to as "Gelede belts" or "Gelede Sashes." Gelede refers to traditional masquerades honouring female ancestors that serve to drive malevolent forces from the community and restore social order. Gelede masquerade costumes are quite colourful. Related masquerades for male ancestors called "Egungun" feature costumes that often have layers of fluttering panels, some resembling these 'Diviner's Belts" but usually made out of quilted. embroidered fabric rather than heavy beading. I mention it because I am myself a bit suspicious of their association with these masquerades. As far as I have been told their original use was in relation to divinatory practice. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can clear this up.
 
Traditionally, beading was done by male priests. Most of these items these days are made to be sold to collectors, as the ethnographically used ones are very rare these days and very dear on the collector market. Most are quite colourful, the white ones less common, but not really rare, if that makes sense. I think from the collector market sense, brighter ones sell better and since most are made to be sold outside of Nigeria these days, brighter is more attractive, not necessarily better.
 
 Valuations are according to age, use, workmanship, size etc. I have seen these priced from as low as USD 24 for smaller (3"x 3-4'), simpler, newer ones,  anywhere to well over $400.00 USD.
 
Newer ones made for the collector market can have wildly non-Yoruba themes depicted. I did see one that had N American Indian designs as that is what the beader had been commissioned to make!  The Yoruba spirit in me cringed.
 
Poke around eBay and search for "diviner's belt" or "diviner's sash" or "beaded sash" or "beaded wall hanging" etc. on individual searches of the entire website  and you may develop an idea of various asking prices for these. You can also Google them but truthfully most of the hits you will get are from eBay anyway. So you did get a nice African souvenir, just not with a true origin in Kenya where purchased. I got mine from a dealer in Colorado, if I remember right, so you are at least closer to the source! :-)
 
Odabo
Beth
 
 
 
 
 
 

#3807 From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:05 am
Subject: Re: Re: Beaded wall hanging (Ifa/Santeria BABALAWO diviner vests)
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Hello Beth,
 
I agree with any general "suspicions" surrounding the association market-collected beaded "belts/sashes" used with Ifa/Santeria BABALAWO capes/tunics/vests.  I have included photos of my cape.  It can be found in a photo file titled "bucit".
 
When I purchased it several years ago, I tried it on... it fit rather well (surprisingly), but it is very heavy and a bit awkward.  I tried to visualize the complete regalia in wear and use.  Additionally, I have also had a few of these sashes.  Obviously, the older/authentic ones most likely won't surface on eBay (no intended dig towards all ethnographic being sold there).  I have noticed an increase of these capes on the market over the past two years... some poor,  pathetic examples.  African "copiers" showing up everywhere.  This is indicative of the belt/sash marketed in Kenya.
 
During our quest to better understand Santeria beliefs and associations, we purchased a few books, among the books, one about Vodun or Voodoo... words which do not exist, but have been defined and much of the notions and "myths" have become ridiculous.  I confess, I am far from possessing a deep understanding, skill or an expert analysis (only a basic understanding in this subject).  I suspect that you have a better understanding than many about Yoruba divination.  The road of learning and discovery can lead us places where some may not desire to undertake (if one truly wants to know).  Perhaps, this subject is such the case, and is not recommended for the "faint at heart".  Maybe someone else can provide the "quick reference" expertise. 
 
The Egungun male masquerades are vibrant and stunning... Some nice examples noted at HamillGallery. 
 
 
 

From: "beepeawee1@..." <beepeawee1@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:30 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re: Beaded wall hanging

In a message dated 2/14/2009 3:14:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shawn@ispiral. com writes:

Beth,

Thanks for your suggestion. I posted some photos in a folder called
"Shawn's Wall Hanging": http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/543250804/ pic/list

As others have already noted, and as I suspected in the first place, it is a Yoruba (Nigerian) diviner's belt and no, it isn't used to hold up trousers but is part of a priest-diviner (babalawo)'s regalia and is meant to be attached to the wearer, vertically. Sometimes you will see them refered to as "Gelede belts" or "Gelede Sashes." Gelede refers to traditional masquerades honouring female ancestors that serve to drive malevolent forces from the community and restore social order. Gelede masquerade costumes are quite colourful. Related masquerades for male ancestors called "Egungun" feature costumes that often have layers of fluttering panels, some resembling these 'Diviner's Belts" but usually made out of quilted. embroidered fabric rather than heavy beading. I mention it because I am myself a bit suspicious of their association with these masquerades. As far as I have been told their original use was in relation to divinatory practice. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can clear this up.
 
Traditionally, beading was done by male priests. Most of these items these days are made to be sold to collectors, as the ethnographically used ones are very rare these days and very dear on the collector market. Most are quite colourful, the white ones less common, but not really rare, if that makes sense. I think from the collector market sense, brighter ones sell better and since most are made to be sold outside of Nigeria these days, brighter is more attractive, not necessarily better.
 
 Valuations are according to age, use, workmanship, size etc. I have seen these priced from as low as USD 24 for smaller (3"x 3-4'), simpler, newer ones,  anywhere to well over $400.00 USD.
 
Newer ones made for the collector market can have wildly non-Yoruba themes depicted. I did see one that had N American Indian designs as that is what the beader had been commissioned to make!  The Yoruba spirit in me cringed.
 
Poke around eBay and search for "diviner's belt" or "diviner's sash" or "beaded sash" or "beaded wall hanging" etc. on individual searches of the entire website  and you may develop an idea of various asking prices for these. You can also Google them but truthfully most of the hits you will get are from eBay anyway. So you did get a nice African souvenir, just not with a true origin in Kenya where purchased. I got mine from a dealer in Colorado, if I remember right, so you are at least closer to the source! :-)
 
Odabo
Beth
 
 
 
 
 
 


#3808 From: john hope-falkner <johnhfalkner@...>
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Lega Conundrum
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Paul,

Thank you for some extraordinary information.
I concur with what you say but am particularly fascinated by the
explanation of the 'knife stab holes' . If it was not for your  field
work on the subject I too would find it hard to believe  they develop
naturally.
I  too, am perplexed by the eyes but when I began convincing myself
there was a Metoko influence (that far North?!) thought it wise to say
nothing lest someone think I was indulging in Class A substances.

Paul and Lee's hypotheses on interethnic relationships might suggest
my musing were not so far fetched.

An Anglo-Irishman living in France,asking questions about something
emanating from Eastern Zaire,is responded to by an American, possibly
of Italian descent, based in Uganda.
I wonder what the traditional Lega would have made of that.

Best wishes,John HF

#3809 From: zawadi <zawadi4me@...>
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
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Hello Ed,

No have not seen anything worth getting excited about...maybe I have become jaded ...

Lots of story tellers though!!!
Did enjoy some wonderful wine, amazing food, and beautiful country..travelled by Rovos Rail from Pretoria to cape Town...one of life's simple pleasures!

Will look at the beadwork book....

Cheers from Dakar,

Wendy




--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Ed Jones <bucit@...> wrote:
From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 4:01 PM

Wendy,
 
Have you seen any Shangaan clay pots, or many Zulu, Ndebele, Xhosa beaded authentic artifacts?  I have seen some terrific items in a book titled Zulu by Alex Zaloumis.  Additionally, there is an equally provoking book titled "South East African Bead-work".. .1850-1910, From Adornment, to Artefact, to Art.  
 
South African and East African art is undoubtedly has fast become among my favorites.
 
Enjoy!
Ed


From: zawadi <zawadi4me@yahoo. com>
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging

Hi Shawn,

I have been down in South Africa this week and saw many of the wall hangings you describe in the Pan African Craft Market, it seems white is very trendy at the moment and apart from your wall hanging which I am sure is a Yoruba Beaded Diviners belt, they were also selling the Yoruba Beaded Crowns in white, and also the Bamileke tables also painted white....

All I believe are made for the decorating market, new and beautiful interpretations of old traditional  pieces...

Cheers,

Wendy

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com> wrote:
From: msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com>
Subject: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:33 PM

Hi! My mom was in Kenya last summer and bought a beaded wall hanging
at a Maasai village as a gift for me. The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging. Can
anyone point me to some resources for learning more about the
style/value of something like this?

Thanks.

Shawn



#3810 From: beepeawee1@...
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:46 am
Subject: Re: Re: Beaded wall hanging (Ifa/Santeria BABALAWO diviner ves...
elegbarasdau...
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Thanks for the chime-in. What a wonderful vest, all the same! Thank you for posting it. As gorgeous as all the beaded regalia are, every bit of footage I have ever seen of babalawo show white-robed men at work, vs someone weighed down by a ton of beads! I need to ask my Awo about it but seems he is away so often I have trouble reaching him.  If I do hear about it I will let you know.
 
FWIW this statement caught my attention -forgive if it is too much information!:
 
In a message dated 2/15/2009 10:41:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bucit@... writes:
During our quest to better understand Santeria beliefs and associations, we purchased a few books, among the books, one about Vodun or Voodoo... words which do not exist, but have been defined and much of the notions and "myths" have become ridiculous.  I confess, I am far from possessing a deep understanding, skill or an expert analysis (only a basic understanding in this subject). 
This is a quest that could take up your entire life!
I too am not any certified expert nor any linguist - I just now what I know :-). 
 
I'll  agree its' true West African traditions have been lumped together and highly insulted and maligned by "Western" notions of  'proper' religion. This said,  the word "Vodou/Vodu" (not the "Hollywood" spelling :-) ) does exist, but you won't find it other than in misinformed reference to Santeria (properly called Regla de Ocha) in Cuba. To complicate matters more, Cuba has at least 4 African religions going (Regla de Ocha, Lucumi, Regla Mayome/Palo Monte and Abakua Secret Society). More recently a good many communitites have been returning to Ifa, as well. Haiti has at least two I know of (Vodou and Anago) but I am less familiar with the history there. Anago is practiced by the minority Yourba descendents there and is closer to Lucumi or Ifa in Haiti.
 
 "Voodoo" really does refer to the tradition of Vodou/Vodu itself, with its origins largely with the Fon and Ewe people and their descendants in the New World, largely in the French Colonies. Santeria has little to do with Vodou/Vodu, being the syncretism of largely Yoruba (Ifa) and Bakongo traditions with Catholicism."Voodoo" in the New World, referring to systems developed primarily in Haiti and Louisiana, is syncretized as well. There are similarities, but they are still different systems, much like you could say that Calvinism and Catholicism are both Christian faiths, but beyond that you'd have to say they are different....The word even exists in Yoruba, as in "ijo vudu' , for example, which describes the transcendent ecstatic  state achieved through ritual dance.
 
Given that in W. Nigeria and E. Benin the Yoruba and Fon have lived cheek by jowl, and share many spirits, in those regions the distinction becomes really blurry, it's dizzying trying to keep things in their boxes, let alone separate them from their Diasporic descendants, and understand the plethora of beliefs!
 
An example of this closeness and overlapping is this Haitian head of Ezilie, a spirit often thought to be akin to Osun/Oshun/Ochun in the Yoruba tradition and Diaspora, but shown here to be more clearly related to the Yoruba (and Fon) Esu(Eshu) Elegba:
 
 
Confused? :-)
 
Odabo,
Beth

#3811 From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beaded wall hanging (Ifa/Santeria BABALAWO diviner ves...
bucit
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Hi Beth,
 
... Not confused, just enamored with so many distinctions through Diaspora.  It is copious.  As I understood much of Voudo/Voodoo/Vudon (by translation) to mean "god(s)", and/or deities.  I am also quite aware of the "transcendence state through rituals and dance"... all to achieve "channeling" as a vessel for deities.  Funny, Yanni, the famous "Linda", and many folks in Yelm, Washington referred to this as part of a "New Age" religion, but in essence, it is quite old and "tribal", isn't it?
 
Please do let me know if beaded tunics, etc have an affiliation with Babalowo diviners.  I have much to realize, in least, I have not found the "mother-load" yet.  One of my hindrances is that I enjoy art from various cultures and ethnic groups (aside from the fact that I have a day job).  That makes me a a novice and not too much of an expert of African art, but I am exceptional as it concern antique Turkish kilims.    
 
Excellent topic and exchange.  Thank you (particularly to Shawn for starting this thread).  I'll spend time soon making use of the links you provided.

 


From: "beepeawee1@..." <beepeawee1@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:46:40 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re: Beaded wall hanging (Ifa/Santeria BABALAWO diviner ves...

Thanks for the chime-in. What a wonderful vest, all the same! Thank you for posting it. As gorgeous as all the beaded regalia are, every bit of footage I have ever seen of babalawo show white-robed men at work, vs someone weighed down by a ton of beads! I need to ask my Awo about it but seems he is away so often I have trouble reaching him.  If I do hear about it I will let you know.
 
FWIW this statement caught my attention -forgive if it is too much information! :
 
In a message dated 2/15/2009 10:41:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bucit@yahoo. com writes:
During our quest to better understand Santeria beliefs and associations, we purchased a few books, among the books, one about Vodun or Voodoo... words which do not exist, but have been defined and much of the notions and "myths" have become ridiculous.  I confess, I am far from possessing a deep understanding, skill or an expert analysis (only a basic understanding in this subject). 
This is a quest that could take up your entire life!
I too am not any certified expert nor any linguist - I just now what I know :-). 
 
I'll  agree its' true West African traditions have been lumped together and highly insulted and maligned by "Western" notions of  'proper' religion. This said,  the word "Vodou/Vodu" (not the "Hollywood" spelling :-) ) does exist, but you won't find it other than in misinformed reference to Santeria (properly called Regla de Ocha) in Cuba. To complicate matters more, Cuba has at least 4 African religions going (Regla de Ocha, Lucumi, Regla Mayome/Palo Monte and Abakua Secret Society). More recently a good many communitites have been returning to Ifa, as well. Haiti has at least two I know of (Vodou and Anago) but I am less familiar with the history there. Anago is practiced by the minority Yourba descendents there and is closer to Lucumi or Ifa in Haiti.
 
 "Voodoo" really does refer to the tradition of Vodou/Vodu itself, with its origins largely with the Fon and Ewe people and their descendants in the New World, largely in the French Colonies. Santeria has little to do with Vodou/Vodu, being the syncretism of largely Yoruba (Ifa) and Bakongo traditions with Catholicism. "Voodoo" in the New World, referring to systems developed primarily in Haiti and Louisiana, is syncretized as well. There are similarities, but they are still different systems, much like you could say that Calvinism and Catholicism are both Christian faiths, but beyond that you'd have to say they are different... .The word even exists in Yoruba, as in "ijo vudu' , for example, which describes the transcendent ecstatic  state achieved through ritual dance.
 
Given that in W. Nigeria and E. Benin the Yoruba and Fon have lived cheek by jowl, and share many spirits, in those regions the distinction becomes really blurry, it's dizzying trying to keep things in their boxes, let alone separate them from their Diasporic descendants, and understand the plethora of beliefs!
 
An example of this closeness and overlapping is this Haitian head of Ezilie, a spirit often thought to be akin to Osun/Oshun/Ochun in the Yoruba tradition and Diaspora, but shown here to be more clearly related to the Yoruba (and Fon) Esu(Eshu) Elegba:
 
 
Confused? :-)
 
Odabo,
Beth


#3812 From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Beaded wall hanging
bucit
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Hi Wendy,
 
I guess your time is much more R&R centered. You have seen a lot... jaded is an interesting expression!
I only wish I had the time to venture and explore when I taught South African Airways a while back, but historically, it really was a bad time.
 
If you happen along any interesting beaded things or pots, please do send a photo.
 
Enjoy!!
 
Ed

 


From: zawadi <zawadi4me@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging

Hello Ed,

No have not seen anything worth getting excited about...maybe I have become jaded ...

Lots of story tellers though!!!
Did enjoy some wonderful wine, amazing food, and beautiful country..travelled by Rovos Rail from Pretoria to cape Town...one of life's simple pleasures!

Will look at the beadwork book....

Cheers from Dakar,

Wendy




--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Ed Jones <bucit@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Ed Jones <bucit@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 4:01 PM

Wendy,
 
Have you seen any Shangaan clay pots, or many Zulu, Ndebele, Xhosa beaded authentic artifacts?  I have seen some terrific items in a book titled Zulu by Alex Zaloumis.  Additionally, there is an equally provoking book titled "South East African Bead-work".. .1850-1910, From Adornment, to Artefact, to Art.  
 
South African and East African art is undoubtedly has fast become among my favorites.
 
Enjoy!
Ed


From: zawadi <zawadi4me@yahoo. com>
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging

Hi Shawn,

I have been down in South Africa this week and saw many of the wall hangings you describe in the Pan African Craft Market, it seems white is very trendy at the moment and apart from your wall hanging which I am sure is a Yoruba Beaded Diviners belt, they were also selling the Yoruba Beaded Crowns in white, and also the Bamileke tables also painted white....

All I believe are made for the decorating market, new and beautiful interpretations of old traditional  pieces...

Cheers,

Wendy

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com> wrote:
From: msjaquiss <shawn@ispiral. com>
Subject: [African_Arts] Beaded wall hanging
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:33 PM

Hi! My mom was in Kenya last summer and bought a beaded wall hanging
at a Maasai village as a gift for me. The beading is all white and
there are people and lizards worked in relief on the hanging. Can
anyone point me to some resources for learning more about the
style/value of something like this?

Thanks.

Shawn




#3813 From: "congabongoman" <congabongoman@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: DRC Art - the problem of pastiche
congabongoman
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Hi Lee and all--

I've been meaning to follow up on some posts a while back discussing
the Cornet article on the DRC "art factories" under Mubutu and the
problem of pastiches that plague the DRC art market.  As Lee pointed
out, the market has been flooded with fakes (most very poor but some
outstanding), which should make any collector understandably cautious
and hesitent before purchasing any pieces purporting to be from the
Congo and authentic.  That being said, there is no doubt in my mind
that some authentic pieces do, in fact, exist and occasionally make
their way out of central Africa--of course, there is the obvious
problem of authentication of pieces that do not come with documented
provenence from an old collection, but I don't think that the problem
of certainty alone should cause anyone to discount that these pieces
occasionally come to the market.

As a prime example, I've posted new photos of the Hemba singiti that
recently arrived from my friend (the earlier photos did it no
justice), which are now in the folder "Hemba singiti and Nyamwezi
figure":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/868085518/pic/list
    After very careful examiniation by my self, my friend, and
several of his knowlegeable congolese friends, we are all convinced
that it is, indeed authentic and old.  This conclusion is based on
the patina, age cracks, and the style of the piece.  This piece
really has the transcendent and detached expression with the
balanced, organic rendering that I've only seen on authentic pieces,
which--coupled with the nature of the patina and the multiple
age "fissures" (cracks arent really the right word)--makes me believe
it's authentic.  Of course, there is no way anyone can be certain--if
anyone knows any reliable testing methods for patinated wood, please
let me know--but I trust my eyes and instincts on this piece as much
as I would trust any documented provenence (which in todays market
are often misleading or fakes themselves in many respects).

That being said, rather than likening authentic DRC art to the dodo,
I would compare it more to the coelacanth, one of which occasionally
makes its way to the surface to remind us that it still exists.

Best Regards,

Chris

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