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Five masks - I think one is from New Guinnea:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/209438154/pic/list

#3677

From: Joanne <joanner10001@...>
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Unknown masks...any help in identification would be great!

joanner10001

The one you think is from New Guinea is from there, Middle Sepik, I think. Also it seems to be pretty modern.

Joanne

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Jena <jenascott@...> wrote:

From: Jena <jenascott@...>
Subject: [African_Arts] Unknown masks...any help in identification would be great!
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 3:34 PM

Five masks - I think one is from New Guinnea:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/209438154/ pic/list

#3678

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Unknown masks...any help in identification would be great!

leerubinstein

Hello, Jena.

Thanks for sharing images of the masks which you seek to identify. The style of the first three masks (antelope, crocodile and bull [or buffalo]) allows one to look among related examples from the Bobo or Bwa or Nuna of Burkina Faso to determine more specifically the specific origin, significance and authenticity of each. One of the best resources to explore for masks of this region is Christopher Roy's presentation regarding "The Art of Burkina Faso" which can be accessed through this link: http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/Art of Burkina Faso.html

Another excellent resource in the realm of Burinabe masks is the recently published book, Land of the Flying Masks: Art & Culture in Burkina Faso, the Thomas G. B. Wheelock Collection co-authored by Dr. Roy and Thomas Wheelock.

I agree with your suggestion that the fourth image depicts a mask that is more likely of New Guinean origin (possibly from the lower or mid-Sepik region, as indicated by Joanne), while the fifth is more of a mystery -- not likely of African origin.

Lee

On Dec 24, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Jena wrote:

Five masks - I think one is from New Guinnea:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/209438154/pic/list

#3679

From: hans hansgunter <hansgunter100@...>
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:28 pm
Subject: AW: What might have been....

hansgunter100

Hi,

I thank John for sharing that album with us. It gave me some interesting insights.

I am more or less looking only for 2 types of fetish - Nkisi and Kafiledgio (Senufo)
It is difficult to find some which look a little authentic - nobody expects them to be originals at those type of markets and those prices.

I bought just a week ago a Kafiledgio (70 cm) of the sort which are around. The good thing is, it is not so much decorated with feathers etc. I have lost faith in finding a good one. I attach a foto.

That small bladed Nkisi (30 cm) - a similar one was in the album - I would like to sell. Could one give me an indication how much such copies cost nowadays?

Season's greetings and best regards,

Gunter

hansgunter100@...

#3680

From: "iangonzalez58" <iangonzalez58@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:15 am
Subject: African mask

iangonzalez58

Hi, I am new to this group.  I am a Guatemalan collector of masks, folk
art, slingshots, and the odd artifact.  Recently I purchased an African
mask in Chichicastenango, a Mayan Indian market town.  The mask is
old.  I am attaching two images somewhere on this site, titling them
mask front and mask back:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/907986917/pic/list .
The mask doesn't have great patina.  It is made of a very heavy hardwood.  After
cursory investigation in African art websites I've concluded that it is most
likely from the Ivory Coast, perhaps a Baule Mblo mask. The carving is very good
without being elaborate.  I am intrigued by how it may have gotten here.  If it
is "airport art" then a Guatemalan visiting Africa in the middle of the last
century may have brought it back--I don't think it is less than fifty years old.
A friend a few years back bought a 15th century Noh mask in the same market, and
that mask clearly was adopted for use in local dances since it was nearly black.
This one hasn't been danced in a very long time.  Any ideas about the origins of
this mask will be welcome.

#3681

From: balli� <amballie@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:27 pm
Subject: Re:African mask

babybassam

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course.

#3682

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

leerubinstein

"Balli�":

I agree with your assessment of Ivoirian stylistic origin and/or influence -- more specifically within the Baule complex of masks -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific mask-type classification. Are you thinking perhaps of such Baule mask forms as Kpan or Ndoma?

While it is not so difficult to locate comparative images of masks classified as Baule (or Baoul�) in such collections as those of the AMNH or Mus�e du quai Branly (database links also below), most examples are not specifically identified or classified beyond the description as anthropomorphic masks. Some stylistically related examples of Baule anthropomorphic masks worth considering and investigating further include these:

Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice

Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73.1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

Previous discussions on Baule masks which include references that may provide beneficial directions for further inquiry include Messages 874 and 1475. On-line resources on Baule culture include this link from the exhibition, "Baule: African Art, Western Eyes" at the NMAfA: http://www.nmafa.si.edu/exhibits/baule/baule.htm

I have no grounded ideas regarding the specific appearance in Guatemala of the mask Ian is currently querying. Although there are some available sources pertaining to African historical and cultural influences in Guatemala (particularly upon the Garifuna [Garifune or Garinagu] communities found in Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua as well as in Guatemala), this interesting facet seems to have no direct or obvious bearing upon the current question pertaining to this mask -- beyond the fertile field of receptivity to African forms and rhythms in Guatemala as part of the larger complex of Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latin history and influencein Guatemala. (e.g., "The Garifuna culture displays many influences of its African heritage, and this is extremely evident when comparing their music with the indigenous music of the African societies from which their ancestors[*] originated." Source: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/afburns/afrotrop/Garifuna.htm)

[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course.

#3683

From: Ian Gonzalez <iangonzalez58@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

iangonzalez58

Hi Lee,

Thanks for all this. I am running away from computers for a few days and don't have time to digest all that you say below. However, since my mother, Nancie L. Gonzalez, did the major ethnographical fieldwork and publishing on the Garifuna in Central America in the period 1958-2000, and since I spent periods of my childhood in Garifuna communities in Guatemala, Honduras, and Belize, I should say that I don't think it likely that this mask has any specific cultural or design links to the Garifuna. The Garifuna do have dance ceremonies and wear masks, but at least in the modern period mentioned above, the masks were made of wire and paper mache and revealed influences that were more characteristically European and Guatemalan indigenous than African. But I will copy this to my mother and ask for her opinion.

No, I was supposing when I purchased the mask that it arrived much more prosaically, from a mid-century collection made by a middle or upper class Guatemalan and then sold off by his/her children, or perhaps a European or American ex-pat whose collection was scattered after their death. I imagine a very informal series of exchanges might have brought it finally to Chichicastenango. However, I am most surprised that it didn't get adopted by one of the indigenous communities to be used in dances since this is a common occurence with Mexican and other Central American country masks that have migrated. 'Nuff said for now. Thanks for so detailed a response, which I will read with greater care after the New Year. A bright, shining New Year's wish to everyone ducking into this great site before the date.

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:46:42 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

"Balli�":

Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73..1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course.

#3684

From: Bob Ibold <bob.ibold@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

bobbold2000

Lee,
I agree with your comments on Ian's "Guatemalan." In this particular case, the mask in question is a West African that somehow found its way to that part of the world. And why not? African masks make it to just about everywhere.

Incidentally, there are many black-faced masks (often called Negritos) used the dances of Mexico and Central America. It turns out that the indigenous people were greatly impressed by the African slaves that were imported for labor. These should not be confused with the African-influenced masks to which you correctly refer. African-influenced masks are especially common in the Caribbean and its southern and western shore areas.

Bob
MasksoftheWorld.com

At 11:46 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote:

"Balli�":

I agree with your assessment of Ivoirian stylistic origin and/or influence -- more specifically within the Baule complex of masks -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific mask-type classification. Are you thinking perhaps of such Baule mask forms as Kpan or Ndoma?

While it is not so difficult to locate comparative images of masks classified as Baule (or Baoul�) in such collections as those of the AMNH or Mus�e du quai Branly (database links also below), most examples are not specifically identified or classified beyond the description as anthropomorphic masks. Some stylistically related examples of Baule anthropomorphic masks worth considering and investigating further include these:

Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73.1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

Previous discussions on Baule masks which include references that may provide beneficial directions for further inquiry include Messages 874 and 1475 . On-line resources on Baule culture include this link from the exhibition, "Baule: African Art, Western Eyes" at the NMAfA: http://www.nmafa.si.edu/exhibits/baule/baule.htm

I have no grounded ideas regarding the specific appearance in Guatemala of the mask Ian is currently querying. Although there are some available sources pertaining to African historical and cultural influences in Guatemala (particularly upon the Garifuna [Garifune or Garinagu] communities found in Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua as well as in Guatemala), this interesting facet seems to have no direct or obvious bearing upon the current question pertaining to this mask -- beyond the fertile field of receptivity to African forms and rhythms in Guatemala as part of the larger complex of Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latin history and influencein Guatemala. (e.g., "The Garifuna culture displays many influences of its African heritage, and this is extremely evident when comparing their music with the indigenous music of the African societies from which their ancestors[*] originated." Source: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/afburns/afrotrop/Garifuna.htm)
[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course.

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#3685

From: balli� <amballie@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:50 pm
Subject: Re:African mask

babybassam

The right vernicular name :

EMOU N'SIAN

N'SIAN = GOD
EMOU = DEATH

Your son is very fluently french. Bravo !

#3686

From: "Dave Cassera" <davidcassera@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:28 am
Subject: Headdress of cowrie shells, leather, fibers, gourd.

davidcassera

Does anyone have an idea on the origin of this object found here

http://www.ancienttribal.com/headdress.html

For a long time I thought it was from the Solomon Islands but could it be from
Africa? What
tribe?

#3687

From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

bucit

Bob,

Thanks... I enjoyed reading your response. Very interesting topic about the influence of African Slave masks on indigenous peoples of Mexico and parts of Central America. Whether is was realized or not, the British colonists did "spread cultural wealth".

From: Bob Ibold <bob.ibold@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

"Balli�":

I agree with your assessment of Ivoirian stylistic origin and/or influence -- more specifically within the Baule complex of masks -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific mask-type classification. Are you thinking perhaps of such Baule mask forms as Kpan or Ndoma?

While it is not so difficult to locate comparative images of masks classified as Baule (or Baoul�) in such collections as those of the AMNH or Mus�e du quai Branly (database links also below), most examples are not specifically identified or classified beyond the description as anthropomorphic masks. Some stylistically related examples of Baule anthropomorphic masks worth considering and investigating further include these:

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Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73.1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

Previous discussions on Baule masks which include references that may provide beneficial directions for further inquiry include Messages 874 and 1475 . On-line resources on Baule culture include this link from the exhibition, "Baule: African Art, Western Eyes" at the NMAfA: http://www.nmafa. si.edu/exhibits/ baule/baule. htm

I have no grounded ideas regarding the specific appearance in Guatemala of the mask Ian is currently querying. Although there are some available sources pertaining to African historical and cultural influences in Guatemala (particularly upon the Garifuna [Garifune or Garinagu] communities found in Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua as well as in Guatemala), this interesting facet seems to have no direct or obvious bearing upon the current question pertaining to this mask -- beyond the fertile field of receptivity to African forms and rhythms in Guatemala as part of the larger complex of Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latin history and influencein Guatemala. (e.g., "The Garifuna culture displays many influences of its African heritage, and this is extremely evident when comparing their music with the indigenous music of the African societies from which their ancestors[*] originated." Source: http://www.clas. ufl.edu/users/ afburns/afrotrop /Garifuna. htm)
[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course.

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#3688

From: Ian Gonzalez <iangonzalez58@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

iangonzalez58

Ed,

Bob makes an important differentiation between African-mask influence and African influence on other populations in the region as manifested in dance imagery. "Cimarrones" was the term used by "criollos" (descendents of the Spanish conquerors) during the Colony in Guatemala to denote free (mainly escaped slaves) Africans, who survived as mercenaries for the criollos, or as highwaymen, rustlers, and so forth, as more or less informal bands rather than societies. They were much feared, especially by the indigenous population, and entered the popular imagination in that context (Negrito masks are phenotypically African, not simply European phenotypes in blackface). Other more clearly cultural African elements certainly entered and were absorbed by the emergent mestizaje in Guatemala, but since this diaspora tended to shred specific tribal cultural markers, it would be difficult or impossible to trace their roots to any single locale. I don't think I have seen African design influence in Guatemalan dance masks, and Bob emphasizes the existence of that influence on the Caribbean fringe of the continent.

Best regards,

Ian

From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:15:12 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

Bob,

From: Bob Ibold <bob.ibold@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

"Balli�":

I agree with your assessment of Ivoirian stylistic origin and/or influence -- more specifically within the Baule complex of masks -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific mask-type classification. Are you thinking perhaps of such Baule mask forms as Kpan or Ndoma?

While it is not so difficult to locate comparative images of masks classified as Baule (or Baoul�) in such collections as those of the AMNH or Mus�e du quai Branly (database links also below), most examples are not specifically identified or classified beyond the description as anthropomorphic masks. Some stylistically related examples of Baule anthropomorphic masks worth considering and investigating further include these:

Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice" src="http://www.quaibranly.fr/cc/pod/imageproxy.asp?server=192..168.5.21&port=22950&cache=yes&height=192&width=132&overlaytext=+muse+du+quai+Branly&overlaytextfontname=TrebuchetMS&overlaytextfontsize=7&overlaytextalpha=12&overlaytextposition=se&overlaytextfontcolor=ffffff&overlaytextbackgroundcolor=888888&borderwidth=1&borderheight=1&passepartoutwidth=5&passepartoutheight=5&passepartoutcolor=FFFFFF&bordercolor=EEEEEE&bg=FFFFFF&filenam"> Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice" src="http://www.quaibranly.fr/cc/pod/imageproxy.asp?server=192.168.5.21&port=22950&cache=yes&height=192&width=132&overlaytext=+muse+du+quai+Branly&overlaytextfontname=TrebuchetMS&overlaytextfontsize=7&overlaytextalpha=12&overlaytextposition=se&overlaytextfontcolor=ffffff&overlaytextbackgroundcolor=888888&borderwidth=1&borderheight=1&passepartoutwidth=5&passepartoutheight=5&passepartoutcolor=FFFFFF&bordercolor=EEEEEE&bg=FFFFFF&filenam"> Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice" src="http://www.quaibranly.fr/cc/pod/imageproxy.asp?server=192.168.5.21&port=22950&cache=yes&height=192&width=132&overlaytext=+muse+du+quai+Branly&overlaytextfontname=TrebuchetMS&overlaytextfontsize=7&overlaytextalpha=12&overlaytextposition=se&overlaytextfontcolor=ffffff&overlaytextbackgroundcolor=888888&borderwidth=1&borderheight=1&passepartoutwidth=5&passepartoutheight=5&passepartoutcolor=FFFFFF&bordercolor=EEEEEE&bg=FFFFFF&filenam"> Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice" src="http://www.quaibranly.fr/cc/pod/imageproxy.asp?server=192.168.5.21&port=22950&cache=yes&height=192&width=132&overlaytext=+muse+du+quai+Branly&overlaytextfontname=TrebuchetMS&overlaytextfontsize=7&overlaytextalpha=12&overlaytextposition=se&overlaytextfontcolor=ffffff&overlaytextbackgroundcolor=888888&borderwidth=1&borderheight=1&passepartoutwidth=5&passepartoutheight=5&passepartoutcolor=FFFFFF&bordercolor=EEEEEE&bg=FFFFFF&filenam"> Cliquez sur l'image pour ouvrir la notice" src="http://www.quaibranly.fr/cc/pod/imageproxy.asp?server=192.168.5.21&port=22950&cache=yes&height=192&width=132&overlaytext=+muse+du+quai+Branly&overlaytextfontname=TrebuchetMS&overlaytextfontsize=7&overlaytextalpha=12&overlaytextposition=se&overlaytextfontcolor=ffffff&overlaytextbackgroundcolor=888888&borderwidth=1&borderheight=1&passepartoutwidth=5&passepartoutheight=5&passepartoutcolor=FFFFFF&bordercolor=EEEEEE&bg=FFFFFF&filenam">
Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73.1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

Previous discussions on Baule masks which include references that may provide beneficial directions for further inquiry include Messages 874 and 1475 . On-line resources on Baule culture include this link from the exhibition, "Baule: African Art, Western Eyes" at the NMAfA: http://www.nmafa. si.edu/exhibits/ baule/baule. htm

I have no grounded ideas regarding the specific appearance in Guatemala of the mask Ian is currently querying. Although there are some available sources pertaining to African historical and cultural influences in Guatemala (particularly upon the Garifuna [Garifune or Garinagu] communities found in Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua as well as in Guatemala), this interesting facet seems to have no direct or obvious bearing upon the current question pertaining to this mask -- beyond the fertile field of receptivity to African forms and rhythms in Guatemala as part of the larger complex of Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latin history and influencein Guatemala. (e.g., "The Garifuna culture displays many influences of its African heritage, and this is extremely evident when comparing their music with the indigenous music of the African societies from which their ancestors[*] originated." Source: http://www.clas. ufl.edu/users/ afburns/afrotrop /Garifuna. htm)
[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course..

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#3689

From: Veronique Martelliere <proximatribal@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:20 pm
Subject: Fw: :)

proximatribal

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#3690

From: Ed Jones <bucit@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

bucit

Hello Ian.

You are obviously well versed with this particular subject (with good personal experience and education).

Can you recommend an "objective" or relevant book or two? I have followed your comments... Intriguing to say the least.

Bob's knowledge about Mexican masks is of little surprise to me. I have entertained purchasing a Mexican mask or two.

Thanks for sharing,

From: Ian Gonzalez <iangonzalez58@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:48:13 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

Ed,

Best regards,

Ian

From: Ed Jones <bucit@yahoo. com>
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:15:12 AM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

Bob,

From: Bob Ibold <bob.ibold@verizon. net>
To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

Lee,
I agree with your comments on Ian's "Guatemalan. " In this particular case, the mask in question is a West African that somehow found its way to that part of the world. And why not? African masks make it to just about everywhere.

Incidentally, there are many black-faced masks (often called Negritos) used the dances of Mexico and Central America. It turns out that the indigenous people were greatly impressed by the African slaves that were imported for labor. These should not be confused with the African-influenced masks to which you correctly refer. African-influenced masks are especially common in the Caribbean and its southern and western shore areas.

Bob
MasksoftheWorld. com

At 11:46 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote:

"Balli�":

I agree with your assessment of Ivoirian stylistic origin and/or influence -- more specifically within the Baule complex of masks -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific mask-type classification. Are you thinking perhaps of such Baule mask forms as Kpan or Ndoma?

While it is not so difficult to locate comparative images of masks classified as Baule (or Baoul�) in such collections as those of the AMNH or Mus�e du quai Branly (database links also below), most examples are not specifically identified or classified beyond the description as anthropomorphic masks. Some stylistically related examples of Baule anthropomorphic masks worth considering and investigating further include these:

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Quai Branly Inventory Nos. 71.1952.13.2, 73.1961.1.5, 71.1980.16.1, 73.1963.0.108, 73.1976.2.1

AMNH Catalog Nos 90.1/ 6991, 90.2/ 5068

Previous discussions on Baule masks which include references that may provide beneficial directions for further inquiry include Messages 874 and 1475 . On-line resources on Baule culture include this link from the exhibition, "Baule: African Art, Western Eyes" at the NMAfA: http://www.nmafa. si.edu/exhibits/ baule/baule. htm

I have no grounded ideas regarding the specific appearance in Guatemala of the mask Ian is currently querying. Although there are some available sources pertaining to African historical and cultural influences in Guatemala (particularly upon the Garifuna [Garifune or Garinagu] communities found in Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua as well as in Guatemala), this interesting facet seems to have no direct or obvious bearing upon the current question pertaining to this mask -- beyond the fertile field of receptivity to African forms and rhythms in Guatemala as part of the larger complex of Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latin history and influencein Guatemala. (e.g., "The Garifuna culture displays many influences of its African heritage, and this is extremely evident when comparing their music with the indigenous music of the African societies from which their ancestors[*] originated." Source: http://www.clas. ufl.edu/users/ afburns/afrotrop /Garifuna. htm)
[*Note: African origins of the Garifuna do not seem to be linked directly to Cote d'Ivoire but rather to more eastern, possibly Nigerian, origins.]

Lee

On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:27 PM, balli� wrote:

Hello Ian,

Your mask is Baoul�, beyond doubt, very old, here in Ivory Coast, we said
�archaic�.

Within few days, I�ll give you the right name in baoul� language but it�s
not at all a mblo.

It"s a really good artifact. More than 50 years of course..

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#3691

From: �� <a312@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:45 pm
Subject: Women in African art - Guardian Weekly

arib100

http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=editorial&id=875&catID=17

Thank you vero same to every one ...

#3692

From: "iangonzalez58" <iangonzalez58@...>
Date: Sat Jan 3, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: Re:African mask

iangonzalez58

Dear Bailli�,

Thanks very much for this identification.  Aside from the style or
personage that you have identified, do you have any information on
the dance tradition to which the mask belongs (your earlier statement
says it is not Mblo)? Perhaps although it is Baoul� it is not from
the masquerade tradition at all? Perhaps not even the type of mask
that is danced?

A more careful examination of the mask suggests that it may once have
been considerably larger and that stock--a flange or framing element
behind the ears and around the inner circumference of the mask--on
both sides of the face was broken or cut away in antiquity (by
antiquity I only mean to suggest that the wood surface over the
breaks is as patinated as on the other surfaces).  Evidence of this
are the blackened perforations just above each earlobe, both of which
minutely deform the carving of the lobes.  Grooves farther up on both
sides of the mask were mask-attachment perforations before original
stock was lost.  Also, there is another groove behind the chin that
was also a perforation.  I am posting images of all these:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1110831601/pic/list

After reading Lee�s Jan. 2006 exploration of male/female dualities in
the Mblo and Goli traditions, I looked closely for remnants of paint
on the mask without finding any.

Best regards,
Ian

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, balli� <amballie@...> wrote:
>
> The right vernicular name :
>
> EMOU N'SIAN
>
> N'SIAN = GOD
> EMOU = DEATH
>
> Your son is very fluently french. Bravo !
>

#3693

From: "scorp_ette2002" <scorp_ette2002@...>
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2009 1:04 am
Subject: African Slave Doll carving

scorp_ette2002

I live in Ky and we have a carved wooden doll that my husband found 17
yrs ago while digging a flower bed next to the foundation of our hose.
The house was built in 1824 and had slaves on site. I dont know how to
go about having her appraised or authinticated. I send pics to Sothebys
and Christies auction houses but only when I contacted a African Art
dealer in NYC did we get much info. He seemed to think she was of ebony
wood after looking at photos and had survived underground for so many
years. Any advice?

#3694

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2009 1:58 am
Subject: Re: African Slave Doll carving

leerubinstein

You can begin searching scholars and institutions who might be able to shed light on your figure by perusing the listing contained in Message 3057. Too, you may find additional, relevant resources pertinent to the study of African-American history and traditions in Kentucky through the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives at http://kdla.ky.gov/researchlinks/blackhistory.htm . Perhaps you can also access the specialized assistance you seek through the Smithsonian's National Museum of African History and Culture's National Collections initiative (see http://nmaahc.si.edu/section/programs/view/47 or http://nmaahc.si.edu/).

Feel free to create an album and to upload images to elicit additional impressions and ideas about the "doll" about which you have inquired.

Thanks, Lee

On Jan 3, 2009, at 8:04 PM, scorp_ette2002 wrote:

I live in Ky and we have a carved wooden doll that my husband found 17
yrs ago while digging a flower bed next to the foundation of our hose.
The house was built in 1824 and had slaves on site. I dont know how to
go about having her appraised or authinticated. I send pics to Sothebys
and Christies auction houses but only when I contacted a African Art
dealer in NYC did we get much info. He seemed to think she was of ebony
wood after looking at photos and had survived underground for so many
years. Any advice?

#3695

From: Bob Ibold <bob.ibold@...>
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2009 2:10 am
Subject: Re: African Slave Doll carving

bobbold2000

Could you send me a scan of the item?
thanks, Bob

At 08:04 PM 1/3/2009, you wrote:

I live in Ky and we have a carved wooden doll that my husband found 17
yrs ago while digging a flower bed next to the foundation of our hose.
The house was built in 1824 and had slaves on site. I dont know how to
go about having her appraised or authinticated. I send pics to Sothebys
and Christies auction houses but only when I contacted a African Art
dealer in NYC did we get much info. He seemed to think she was of ebony
wood after looking at photos and had survived underground for so many
years. Any advice?

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#3696

From: joseph anderson <ironjpa@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 10:01 pm
Subject: Unknown mask

ironjpa53

I have been enjoying this group for a couple of weeks now. Can anyone
tell me the origins of this mask.  It is 15" tall, it has a nice
patina. The eyes and cheek bones are Chokwe but the mouth throws me
off. Age unknown. Thanks, Joe
photos are also posted in photo album - ironjpa53

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#3697

From: joseph anderson <ironjpa@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 10:29 pm
Subject: double amputee????

ironjpa53

Greetings. I have had this piece for quite awhile and have never
placed it.  There is bug damage on the buttocks. The amputee idea
traces at least back to the missionaries in the early 1900's and is
still going on so that has gotten me nowhere. Any help? Thanks, Joe
The photos can also be seen on photo album ironjpa53 listed as double
amputee.

Joseph Anderson
116 Smith Street
Walnut Cove, NC
27052
336-499-6147
336-970-0264   cell
ironjpa@...
jandersonsculpture.com

#3698

From: dwolf22@...
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: double amputee????

nashoni_art

Hi Joe ... I'll venture a guess here and say that I'd be looking in the area of Tanzania for tribal identification... has attributes of Nyamwezi... your mask I would not have made a guess on ... but the high cheeks reminded me of Suku .... and since they are a neighboring people ... I thought I'd toss that in there ......

In a message dated 1/5/2009 3:33:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ironjpa@... writes:

Greetings. I have had this piece for quite awhile and have never
placed it. There is bug damage on the buttocks. The amputee idea
traces at least back to the missionaries in the early 1900's and is
still going on so that has gotten me nowhere. Any help? Thanks, Joe
The photos can also be seen on photo album ironjpa53 listed as double
amputee.

Joseph Anderson
116 Smith Street
Walnut Cove, NC
27052
336-499-6147
336-970-0264 cell
ironjpa@...
jandersonsculpture.com

New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines.

#3699

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: double amputee????

leerubinstein

Joe:

I am not certain about your reference to amputation and missionaries in relation to this figure (although the imagination does play and not in a pleasant way...). In any case, I believe your figure is likely Tanzanian, as Daniel suggested -- possibly of Nyamwezi or Sukuma origin -- although it is difficult to ascertain the specific cultural origins and influences from among diverse Tanzanian groups where artistic styles seem to be inter-mingled and/or are variously [inconsistently] attributed by different sources. Among other Tanzanian figures which sometimes display unexpectedly short arms are figures from the Zigua, Bondei and Chaga, to name a few. I don't believe that the unexpectedly short length of the arms -- in your figure and in others -- is meant necessarily to portray amputation but tend to assume that the carving of these figures' arms was determined by the blocks of wood from which they were carved -- that the dimensions of the arms were delimited by the block (or the carver) and not intended to represent a literal portrayal of an individual with amputated arms. In addition to figures with seemingly truncated arms arms one will also find varied figures of Tanzanian origin that feature attached, freely moving, articulated arms as well as diverse figures from the region (including those classified as mwana hiti and related representations from among the Zaramo, Kwere, Doe, Zigua, etc.) with no appendages whatsoever. Other Tanzanian figures do indeed display arms of proportional lengths in various positions, so it is possible indeed that there is a signification intended of which I am not aware.

In any case, I do believe you will come closer to a general attribution of your figure by exploring traditions of sculpture in Tanzania and neighboring areas. Some sources that might prove fruitful in addition to a search of Tanzanian figures in various collections include:

Bessire, Aim�e, �Sukuma Figures: Boundaries and the Arousal of Spectacle�, African Arts, XXXVI/1, Los Angeles 2005: 36-49, 93 f.

Bordogna, Charles, A Tanzanian Tradition. (Tenafly, NJ: The African Art Museum of the SMA Fathers, 1989).

Felix, Marc L., MWANA HITI: Life and Art of the Matrilineal Bantu of Tanzania. (Munich: Fred Jahn, 1990).

Hartwig, Gerald W., �Sculpture in East Africa�, African Arts, XI, no. 4, 1978: 62-65, 96.

Holy, Ladislas, Masks and Figures from Eastern and Southern Africa. (London: Paul Hamlyn, 1967).

Jahn, Jens (ed.), TANZANIA: Meisterwerke afrikanischer Skulptur. (Munich, Fred Jahn, 1994).

Krieger, Kurt, Ostafrikanische Plastik. (Berlin: Ver�ffentlichungen des Museums f�r V�lkerkunde, 1990).

Roy, Christopher, KILENGI (Hannover and Seattle: Kestner Gesellschaft and University of Washington Press, 1997? 2000?).

Lee

On Jan 5, 2009, at 6:10 PM, dwolf22@... wrote:

Hi Joe ... I'll venture a guess here and say that I'd be looking in the area of Tanzania for tribal identification... has attributes of Nyamwezi... your mask I would not have made a guess on ... but the high cheeks reminded me of Suku .... and since they are a neighboring people ... I thought I'd toss that in there ......

In a message dated 1/5/2009 3:33:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ironjpa@triad.rr.com writes:
Greetings. I have had this piece for quite awhile and have never
placed it. There is bug damage on the buttocks. The amputee idea
traces at least back to the missionaries in the early 1900's and is
still going on so that has gotten me nowhere. Any help? Thanks, Joe
The photos can also be seen on photo album ironjpa53 listed as double
amputee.

Joseph Anderson
116 Smith Street
Walnut Cove, NC
27052
336-499-6147
336-970-0264 cell
ironjpa@triad.rr.com
jandersonsculpture.com

New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines.

#3700

From: balli� <amballie@...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:00 pm
Subject: Happy new year

babybassam

#3701

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

leerubinstein

http://sirismm.si.edu/siris/eepatop.htm

Ian:

As you observe, the mask which you queried bears structural signs on its reverse or underside which point toward diverse aspects of more complex, multi-faceted masquerade performance and tradition of which the carved wooden portion of a mask is indeed just a small, portable element. Absent are the additional costume elements that further conceal the individual as well as the music, the motion, the dramatic narrative, the social contexts of preparation and performance.

Among the on-line resources available which help to remedy this visual deficiency of presentation is the Eloit Elisofon Photographic Archives.

Some photographs which illustrate the larger, more complete masquerade ensemble can be viewed in these images linked below (among many images from the Archives [see link above] which is available for further exploration by culture, topic, geography, etc.

Baule

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03667.jpg

Bassa:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03737.jpg

Bamana:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03399.jpg

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03447.jpg

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03662.jpg

Mende:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03856.jpg

Dogon:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03496.jpg

Yoruba:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03980.jpg

A broader on-line search of videos can also yield some masquerade performances in motion with sound. Lee

On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:15 PM, iangonzalez58 wrote:

Dear Bailli�,

Thanks very much for this identification. Aside from the style or
personage that you have identified, do you have any information on
the dance tradition to which the mask belongs (your earlier statement
says it is not Mblo)? Perhaps although it is Baoul� it is not from
the masquerade tradition at all? Perhaps not even the type of mask
that is danced?

A more careful examination of the mask suggests that it may once have
been considerably larger and that stock--a flange or framing element
behind the ears and around the inner circumference of the mask--on
both sides of the face was broken or cut away in antiquity (by
antiquity I only mean to suggest that the wood surface over the
breaks is as patinated as on the other surfaces). Evidence of this
are the blackened perforations just above each earlobe, both of which
minutely deform the carving of the lobes. Grooves farther up on both
sides of the mask were mask-attachment perforations before original
stock was lost. Also, there is another groove behind the chin that
was also a perforation. I am posting images of all these:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/1110831601/pic/list

After reading Lee�s Jan. 2006 exploration of male/female dualities in
the Mblo and Goli traditions, I looked closely for remnants of paint
on the mask without finding any.

Best regards,
Ian

--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, balli� <amballie@...> wrote:
>
> The right vernicular name :
>
> EMOU N'SIAN
>
> N'SIAN = GOD
> EMOU = DEATH
>
> Your son is very fluently french. Bravo !
>

#3702

From: beepeawee1@...
Date: Fri Jan 9, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: Introduction

elegbarasdau...

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Aboru aboye abosise..se Alafia ni?

Hello, my name is Beth. I live in Toronto.

While African and African art has been an interest of mine over the years, only recently have I dedicated myself to collecting. I have a BA in Fine Art and an MA in Art History. It's come in handy with this passion.

I've amassed a collection of West and Central African art over the last 4 years. It's mostly from Nigeria (Yoruba, Igbo, Bini/Edo and Matakam), Cameroon (Matakam as well), but I have things from Ghana (Ewe & Ashanti) or Togo (Ewe, also), Ivory Coast (Dan, Baule/Baoule,&Guro) Congo (Kuba & Bakongo), Guinea (Baga) , Mali (textiles), and Kenya (contemporary Maasai tourist things). It's comprised of religious statuary, divination tools, vessels, magical protective objects, masks and dance helmets in wood; textiles, clothing, beads and beaded objects, and bronze/brass. Probably 50+ all together. Some has been made and used in a tribal context. Some has been made for the art market. Some is very charming and some is downright scary. :-) I'm working on getting more Ewe pieces and I would like to find some Fon (from Benin/Dahomey), as I am interested in the expressions of Vodou and Ifa. I collect mainly Yoruba art as I am also a student of Ifa. Right now I'm having a friend do some decent photo cataloguing. I enjoy 'in-between' pieces that are a bit tough to catagorize, so I will be sharing pictures of my mystery objects over the next while. I'm happy to find such an interested and knowlegable group.
Odabo.Cheers!
Beth

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#3703

From: Ian Gonzalez <iangonzalez58@...>
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re:African mask

iangonzalez58

http://sirismm.si.edu/siris/eepatop.htm

Hi Lee, thanks for this direction, it is an excellent primer. It does not address the possible appearance of the mask prior to losing or having cut away some of its stock (though I believe some of your earlier images show Baoul� masks in profile with flanges that encompass the wearer's face, and I imagine this might be similar to my mask's original appearance). Nor does it help me place this particular character --"EMOU N'SIAN"--into an alternate tradition or sub-group of Baoul� masquerade (presumably it does not belong in the Mblo, Goli, et cetera groups). Those were the primary questions I was seeking to answer following Bailli�'s initial identification of the mask. The irony of dance masks' portability frequently severing them from the constellation of symbols in music, costume, text, formalized gesture and so forth that complete their significance is not lost on me, but I hope your direction may be a corrective to people that are only interested in sculptural or aesthetic qualities of masks. Therefore, if anyone else in the group has information or theories about these questions I would be very glad to have them.

Best regards,

Ian

From: Lee Rubinstein <LeeRubinstein@...>
To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:55:18 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Re:African mask

Ian:

Among the on-line resources available which help to remedy this visual deficiency of presentation is the Eloit Elisofon Photographic Archives.

Baule

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03667.jpg

Bassa:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03737.jpg

Bamana:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03399.jpg

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03447.jpg

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03662.jpg

Mende:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03856.jpg

Dogon:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03496.jpg

Yoruba:

http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_03980.jpg

A broader on-line search of videos can also yield some masquerade performances in motion with sound. Lee

On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:15 PM, iangonzalez58 wrote:

Dear Bailli�,

Thanks very much for this identification. Aside from the style or
personage that you have identified, do you have any information on
the dance tradition to which the mask belongs (your earlier statement
says it is not Mblo)? Perhaps although it is Baoul� it is not from
the masquerade tradition at all? Perhaps not even the type of mask
that is danced?

A more careful examination of the mask suggests that it may once have
been considerably larger and that stock--a flange or framing element
behind the ears and around the inner circumference of the mask--on
both sides of the face was broken or cut away in antiquity (by
antiquity I only mean to suggest that the wood surface over the
breaks is as patinated as on the other surfaces). Evidence of this
are the blackened perforations just above each earlobe, both of which
minutely deform the carving of the lobes. Grooves farther up on both
sides of the mask were mask-attachment perforations before original
stock was lost. Also, there is another groove behind the chin that
was also a perforation. I am posting images of all these:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1110831601 /pic/list

After reading Lee�s Jan. 2006 exploration of male/female dualities in
the Mblo and Goli traditions, I looked closely for remnants of paint
on the mask without finding any.

Best regards,
Ian

--- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com, balli� <amballie@.. .> wrote:
>
> The right vernicular name :
>
> EMOU N'SIAN
>
> N'SIAN = GOD
> EMOU = DEATH
>
> Your son is very fluently french. Bravo !
>

#3704

From: jens nagel <jenagel@...>
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:31 am
Subject: Re: Introduction

bigmuffty

Hello, we share a wonderful passion. I�ve a small collection of african arts,
some of the Youruba, some Ibibio...
I offer some of my items at dhd, including a Ewe-Figure; If you are interested,
please follow the link:
http://www.dhd24.com/special.php?typ=uid2069043
The items are located in Germany.
Best regards
Jens
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#3705

From: "Dave Cassera" <davidcassera@...>
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:54 am
Subject: A few websites I have created for african art

davidcassera