I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
them on 6M.

I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

73
Bob, K1VU

Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

Thanks,
Dave
NK7Z/NNN0RDO
http://www.nk7z.net

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long


-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of R Johnson
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
them on 6M.

I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

73
Bob, K1VU





Yahoo! Groups Links

Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting a Cabrillo
log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in cheek, but the
more you say it out loud the better it sounds.

Dave, you may be onto something here...

Pat
WW9R

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama

Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

Thanks,
Dave
NK7Z/NNN0RDO
http://www.nk7z.net

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long


-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of R Johnson
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
them on 6M.

I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

73
Bob, K1VU





Yahoo! Groups Links










Yahoo! Groups Links

Actually I said it in hopes someone from the ARRL might take up the call...
I can think of nothing better than a WAS in a weekend to get folks to see
how useful this tool is...

Thanks,
Dave
NK7Z/NNN0RDO
http://www.nk7z.net

"I came, I saw, she conquered."  (The original Latin seems to have been
garbled.)  --Lazarus Long


-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Patrick Hoppe
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 21:01
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting a Cabrillo
log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in cheek, but the
more you say it out loud the better it sounds.

Dave, you may be onto something here...

Pat
WW9R

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama

Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

Thanks,
Dave
NK7Z/NNN0RDO
http://www.nk7z.net

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long


-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of R Johnson
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
them on 6M.

I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

73
Bob, K1VU





Yahoo! Groups Links










Yahoo! Groups Links









Yahoo! Groups Links

To all LotW users,

The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone could
be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW users
could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
following.
-- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a QSL
with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
-- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
before the end of the wait period.
-- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
(file) submittal did not verify).
-- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
-- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
recognition.
-- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But we
would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
an LotW contest that was similar to this.

A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
direct EMAIL.

Bill, N5RR


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
>
> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting
a Cabrillo
> log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
cheek, but the
> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
>
> Dave, you may be onto something here...
>
> Pat
> WW9R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
>
> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
>
> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
> them on 6M.
>
> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
>
> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
>
> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
>
> 73
> Bob, K1VU
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Gents,

It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another solution, a
quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW  Activity
Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules are needed:
- time frame
- an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH (state,
province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
- when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the Activity
Days to the LoTW.

That's it!

And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made potentially
improves your score towards an award.

The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I keep my
mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...

73,

Vladimir VE3IAE


---









> To all LotW users,
>
> The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
> contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
> contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
> have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
> callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
> http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
> contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
> downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
> make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
> to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
> users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
> would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone could
> be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
> LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
> logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW users
> could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
> those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
> lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
> After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
> software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
> following.
> -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
> and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
> station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
> lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
> by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a QSL
> with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
> over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
> the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
> submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
> -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
> before the end of the wait period.
> -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
> uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
> receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
> having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
> (file) submittal did not verify).
> -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
> Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
> -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
> related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
> recognition.
> -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.
>
> There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
> stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
> verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
> The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
> LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
> for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.
>
> The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But we
> would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
> an LotW contest that was similar to this.
>
> A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
> for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.
>
> Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
> direct EMAIL.
>
> Bill, N5RR
>
>
> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
>>
>> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting
> a Cabrillo
>> log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
> cheek, but the
>> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
>>
>> Dave, you may be onto something here...
>>
>> Pat
>> WW9R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
>> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
>> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>>
>> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
>>
>> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
>> http://www.nk7z.net
>>
>> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of R Johnson
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
>> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>>
>>
>> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
>> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
>> them on 6M.
>>
>> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
>>
>> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
>> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
>> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
>>
>> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K1VU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

This event could also be run over an extended time period, but from
past experience it needs to be made into a timed contest to generate
the flurry of activity and desired results of the objectives noted
below.

Actually entry is not complicated at all and simpler than for other
contests since the participant doesn't even have to worry about
points, multipliers, or submit a score, all those would be
automatically generated.  Process would be:

1) upload your log file as either Cabrillo or ADI format;
2) wait a pre-determined time and then download an lotwreport.adi
file; and
3) email a copy of the report to the contest.

Contesters work on incentives -- the recognition of high scores
would generate many new LotW members

There a two main objectives for a contest besides the actual contest
itself which are:

1.  Get more of the contesters to upload their logs to LotW which
would give QSLs for their country/state/grid square to those they
will work and also to those they have worked in the past.

2.  Get more world-wide amateurs to take the time to join LotW.

Bill, N5RR


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir V. Sidorov" <ve3iae@...>
wrote:
>
> Gents,
>
> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
solution, a
> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW
Activity
> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules
are needed:
> - time frame
> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH
(state,
> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the
Activity
> Days to the LoTW.
>
> That's it!
>
> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
potentially
> improves your score towards an award.
>
> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I
keep my
> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
>
> 73,
>
> Vladimir VE3IAE
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > To all LotW users,
> >
> > The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
> > contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
> > contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and
myself
> > have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
> > callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
> > http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
> > contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
> > downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that
would
> > make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow
all
> > to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
> > users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
> > would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone
could
> > be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up
for
> > LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
> > logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW
users
> > could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
> > those entering the contest would would have two weeks to
download an
> > lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
> > After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log
processing
> > software processing of the entry would be done with respect to
the
> > following.
> > -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the
file
> > and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
> > station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
> > lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid
cheating
> > by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a
QSL
> > with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file
and
> > over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed
that
> > the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just
didn't
> > submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
> > -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
> > before the end of the wait period.
> > -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
> > uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
> > receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and
then
> > having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
> > (file) submittal did not verify).
> > -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as
to
> > Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
> > -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
> > related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
> > recognition.
> > -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.
> >
> > There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
> > stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of
QSO
> > verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
> > The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of
new
> > LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
> > for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.
> >
> > The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But
we
> > would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to
announce
> > an LotW contest that was similar to this.
> >
> > A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-
ups
> > for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be
minimized.
> >
> > Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
> > direct EMAIL.
> >
> > Bill, N5RR
> >
> >
> > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of
submitting
> > a Cabrillo
> >> log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
> > cheek, but the
> >> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
> >>
> >> Dave, you may be onto something here...
> >>
> >> Pat
> >> WW9R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-
LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf
> >> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
> >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
> >>
> >> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
> >>
> >> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave
> >> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
> >> http://www.nk7z.net
> >>
> >> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-
LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of R Johnson
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
> >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
> >>
> >>
> >> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
> >> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
> >> them on 6M.
> >>
> >> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
> >>
> >> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
> >> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
> >> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
> >>
> >> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Bob, K1VU
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill

To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:55 AM

Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

To all LotW users,

The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone could
be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW users
could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee. 
After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
following. 
-- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a QSL
with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
-- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
before the end of the wait period.
-- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
(file) submittal did not verify).
-- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
-- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
recognition.
-- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
verification, multiplier determination, and score generation. 
The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But we
would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
an LotW contest that was similar to this.

A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
direct EMAIL.

Bill, N5RR


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
>
> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting
a Cabrillo
> log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
cheek, but the
> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
>
> Dave, you may be onto something here...
>
> Pat
> WW9R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
>
> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
>
> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
> them on 6M.
>
> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
>
> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
>
> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
>
> 73
> Bob, K1VU
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

-----Original Message-----
From:  Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)

"I came, I saw, she conquered."  (The original Latin seems to have been
garbled.)  --Lazarus Long


Veni, vidi, vici (L)  I came, I saw, I conquered (E) 

the full text of a message  sent by Julius Caesar to the Roman Senate,

to describe his battle against King Pharnakles of Pontus near Zela in 47 BC. 

73  Nenad    VE3EXY  ...

What a great idea!  Would you run this concurrently with a Big contest, like
possibly Sweepstakes?  Since it doesn't relay on any form of exchange, it
could "fit over" any and all contests.  Kind of like another category ie "TB
and wires"  My apologies if I sound too excited here, but I have 16K+ Q's in
LOTW and only 3300 confirmed.  I would love to get that percentage up.

Keep it moving forward...
Pat
WW9R

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:56 AM
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

To all LotW users,

The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone could
be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW users
could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
following.
-- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a QSL
with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
-- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
before the end of the wait period.
-- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
(file) submittal did not verify).
-- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
-- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
recognition.
-- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But we
would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
an LotW contest that was similar to this.

A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
direct EMAIL.

Bill, N5RR


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
>
> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting
a Cabrillo
> log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
cheek, but the
> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
>
> Dave, you may be onto something here...
>
> Pat
> WW9R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
>
> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
>
>
> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
> them on 6M.
>
> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
>
> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
>
> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
>
> 73
> Bob, K1VU
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>









Yahoo! Groups Links

You don't, you can't.
Just upload the corrected qsos.
The 'wrong time' qsos will see in cyberspace, never to be seen again.

Eventually, the LoTW coders will develope a way to 'correct' qsos, but for now
they advise
to just forget about them....

In 100 years, they will fall into the bit bucket and be used as alternative
fuel.



On 6/5/2006 4:37:44 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC (k0rc@...) wrote:
> Last night I finished uploading 11 years of logbook data... 22,506
> QSO's... whew... only 33 years to go!
>
> This morning I discovered my computer clock's
> date/time was set wrong for the 1998 ARRL DX CW Contest. I have about 300
> QSO's loaded into LoTW that I know are wrong. I am fixing the original
dates/times and
> will create a new ADIF to upload.
>
> How do I "bulk erase" all the bad QSO's
> currently in the system? You don't just leave them there, do you?
>
> 73 de Bob - K0RC
>
>
>
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WOW! What a potential for wasted resources (disk space)! And to think the
system will need to sift through all that "alternative fuel" every time a
query is made. And they could have been using all that processing power for
something useful... like SETI or something... :-)

Oh well... at least I made DXCC and WAS right out of the shoot... even
without those bogus Q's!

73 de Bob - K0RC

----- Original Message -----
From: "FireBrick" <w9ol@...>
To: <ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] I'm climbing the learning curve...


You don't, you can't.
Just upload the corrected qsos.
The 'wrong time' qsos will see in cyberspace, never to be seen again.

Eventually, the LoTW coders will develope a way to 'correct' qsos, but for
now they advise
to just forget about them....

In 100 years, they will fall into the bit bucket and be used as alternative
fuel.



On 6/5/2006 4:37:44 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC (k0rc@...) wrote:
> Last night I finished uploading 11 years of logbook data... 22,506
> QSO's... whew... only 33 years to go!
>
> This morning I discovered my computer clock's
> date/time was set wrong for the 1998 ARRL DX CW Contest. I have about 300
> QSO's loaded into LoTW that I know are wrong. I am fixing the original
> dates/times and
> will create a new ADIF to upload.
>
> How do I "bulk erase" all the bad QSO's
> currently in the system? You don't just leave them there, do you?
>
> 73 de Bob - K0RC

Help help!!!!   I had to reformat my hard drive and reloaded tqsl-
111.  I saved tqsl.6 but I cannot get the certificate to load.  Any
ideas on what to do???
TNX in advance,
Ann
AB1DR

At 06:43 PM 6/5/2006, Ann wrote:
>Help help!!!!   I had to reformat my hard drive and reloaded tqsl-
>111.  I saved tqsl.6 but I cannot get the certificate to load.  Any
>ideas on what to do???

Hopefully when you imported your information into TQSLcert you saved
the certificate as a .p12 file. If you didn't do that, you don't have a
backup.

A .tq6 file does not have your entire key pair and cannot be used to
recover your private key.
Please see the info on the LoTW web site on how you can have a new
certificate issued if you don't have a p12 file.

This can't be repeated often enough: You MUST MUST MUST MUST save your
LoTW certificate to a file stored externally, preferably in multiple
copies. You must do this as the private key portion of your key pair is
not held on the LoTW servers; it's only on your computer. If you lose
your hard drive, the public part of certificate stored on the LoTW
system is now worthless.

You should periodically use TQSLCert to "File/Save" all of your
certificates periodically. If you don't do this, your key pair can't be
recovered. I used my .p12 backup last week to recover a corrupted
certificate.
          -Rick

If you have the original postcard with your numbers on it, I think
you can use that to get another copy of the certificate.  From LotW
web site:

Forget to renew your cert before it expired? Lose your cert in a
crash? -- Don't feel alone. You can't renew an expired cert, but if
you are in the U.S. and you have an old postcard password, you can
quickly obtain a NEW certificate. Here's what to do.
First delete all .tq5 and .tq6 files that may still be in your
machine. Also, make sure there are no certificate lines in TQSLCert
with your callsign. Next, create ONE new certificate request and
send it to kallison@... along with the old (eight-character)
postcard password written in the TEXT of the same message. If you
don't have a postcard password, you will need to send the request to
the server (lotw-logs@... or upload at the Web site) and wait
for a new postcard password.

Bill, N5RR

--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Rick Murphy/K1MU <k1mu-lotw@...>
wrote:
>
> At 06:43 PM 6/5/2006, Ann wrote:
> >Help help!!!!   I had to reformat my hard drive and reloaded tqsl-
> >111.  I saved tqsl.6 but I cannot get the certificate to load.
Any
> >ideas on what to do???
>
> Hopefully when you imported your information into TQSLcert you
saved
> the certificate as a .p12 file. If you didn't do that, you don't
have a
> backup.
>
> A .tq6 file does not have your entire key pair and cannot be used
to
> recover your private key.
> Please see the info on the LoTW web site on how you can have a new
> certificate issued if you don't have a p12 file.
>
> This can't be repeated often enough: You MUST MUST MUST MUST save
your
> LoTW certificate to a file stored externally, preferably in
multiple
> copies. You must do this as the private key portion of your key
pair is
> not held on the LoTW servers; it's only on your computer. If you
lose
> your hard drive, the public part of certificate stored on the LoTW
> system is now worthless.
>
> You should periodically use TQSLCert to "File/Save" all of your
> certificates periodically. If you don't do this, your key pair
can't be
> recovered. I used my .p12 backup last week to recover a corrupted
> certificate.
>          -Rick
>

Bill,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!
Yes...I have my postcard I'm printing out your instructions and I'll
follow them!!!!
73/88
Ann
AB1DR!!!!


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <n5rr@...> wrote:
>
> If you have the original postcard with your numbers on it, I think
> you can use that to get another copy of the certificate.  From
LotW
> web site:
>
> Forget to renew your cert before it expired? Lose your cert in a
> crash? -- Don't feel alone. You can't renew an expired cert, but
if
> you are in the U.S. and you have an old postcard password, you can
> quickly obtain a NEW certificate. Here's what to do.
> First delete all .tq5 and .tq6 files that may still be in your
> machine. Also, make sure there are no certificate lines in
TQSLCert
> with your callsign. Next, create ONE new certificate request and
> send it to kallison@... along with the old (eight-character)
> postcard password written in the TEXT of the same message. If you
> don't have a postcard password, you will need to send the request
to
> the server (lotw-logs@... or upload at the Web site) and wait
> for a new postcard password.
>
> Bill, N5RR
>
> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Rick Murphy/K1MU <k1mu-lotw@>
> wrote:
> >
> > At 06:43 PM 6/5/2006, Ann wrote:
> > >Help help!!!!   I had to reformat my hard drive and reloaded
tqsl-
> > >111.  I saved tqsl.6 but I cannot get the certificate to load.
> Any
> > >ideas on what to do???
> >
> > Hopefully when you imported your information into TQSLcert you
> saved
> > the certificate as a .p12 file. If you didn't do that, you don't
> have a
> > backup.
> >
> > A .tq6 file does not have your entire key pair and cannot be
used
> to
> > recover your private key.
> > Please see the info on the LoTW web site on how you can have a
new
> > certificate issued if you don't have a p12 file.
> >
> > This can't be repeated often enough: You MUST MUST MUST MUST
save
> your
> > LoTW certificate to a file stored externally, preferably in
> multiple
> > copies. You must do this as the private key portion of your key
> pair is
> > not held on the LoTW servers; it's only on your computer. If you
> lose
> > your hard drive, the public part of certificate stored on the
LoTW
> > system is now worthless.
> >
> > You should periodically use TQSLCert to "File/Save" all of your
> > certificates periodically. If you don't do this, your key pair
> can't be
> > recovered. I used my .p12 backup last week to recover a
corrupted
> > certificate.
> >          -Rick
> >
>

Hello Vladimir,

  I  agree,  "Ativity  Days"  sound  more fitting the event, and please
  let's  not  forget  about  WARC  bands,  for  that is what pulls DXCC
  Challenge totals down.

VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another solution, a
VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW  Activity
VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules are
needed:
VVS> - time frame
VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH (state,
VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the Activity
VVS> Days to the LoTW.

VVS> That's it!

VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made potentially
VVS> improves your score towards an award.

VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I keep my
VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
VVS> 73,
VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE

--
  73...Art RX9TX

  http://rx9tx.qrz.ru

  "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm better." [Mae West]

Gentlemen,

The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
interested.  Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
contests.  Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
entries.  With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
join.

The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
that a QSL was forthcoming.  Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
just wanting to casually participate.

As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
present in every type of event).  RS(T) and location (zones,
countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
square as long as the other operator has included the information
when signing the log file.

The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
events.  We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

Comments are invited.

73s, Bill, N5RR



--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
>
>  Hello Vladimir,
>
>  I  agree,  "Ativity  Days"  sound  more fitting the event, and
please
>  let's  not  forget  about  WARC  bands,  for  that is what pulls
DXCC
>  Challenge totals down.
>
> VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
solution, a
> VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
just "LotW  Activity
> VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
> VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
rules are needed:
> VVS> - time frame
> VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
QTH (state,
> VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
> VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
the Activity
> VVS> Days to the LoTW.
>
> VVS> That's it!
>
> VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
potentially
> VVS> improves your score towards an award.
>
> VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
event. I keep my
> VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
> VVS> 73,
> VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
>
> --
>  73...Art RX9TX
>
>  http://rx9tx.qrz.ru
>
>  "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
better." [Mae West]
>

Comments insert below...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <n5rr@...>
To: <ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama


Gentlemen,

The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
interested.  Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LoTW and
second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
contests.  Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
entries.  With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
join.

>>>"Activity Days" is a sissy-boy wimp name for a contest... Make
it something with guts, like "He-man Tool Time Trophy Challenge" or
"Bet You Can't Win This One Contest". Go to the root of what drives
a contester to sit in a chair for 48 hours straight. They're not sitting
under a parasol sipping mimosas'.<<<

>>>LoTW is passé to a contester (yeah I'm uploading my logs but I
have a personal goal behind this). It doesn't generate QSL cards
(I know, sorry to bring this up) so LoTW isn't going to significantly
reduce the hard-copy QSL requests. Contesters are interested in
contesting, not WAS or DXCC. Hell, the top competitors already
achieve WAS and DXCC in a single weekend. Multiply this by the
number of big contests in a year. There's no challenge.<<<

>>>You need to figure out a REAL incentive to get more participation.
Here's a controversial idea... only accept all ARRL contest logs via
LoTW. This suggestion will set the contesting reflectors on fire!<<<

The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
that a QSL was forthcoming.  Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
just wanting to casually participate.

As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

>>>I agreed, the WARC bands need to remain available for those
who get crowded off the contest bands.<<<

At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
present in every type of event).  RS(T) and location (zones,
countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
square as long as the other operator has included the information
when signing the log file.

>>>Well this idea falls along the lines of my previous suggestion
regarding using LoTW as the official contest log, it stops short
and adds another step. There are "real-time scores" websites that
publish a contesters statistics in real time. You can look to see how
you are faring compared to your competitor.<<<

>>>I see a time in the near future where contesters will log onto
a contest website and the real time results of all competitors will be
available as the weekend unfolds. Kinda like going to a horse race.
Let the betting begin... :-) <<<

>>>tQSL needs to be updated to force the operator to input this
information. Not many are going to go back and "fix" their existing
QSO's to include the CQ, ITU, IOTA, County, etc.<<<

>>>LoTW would need to be programmed to accept ADIF "contest
tags" in order to transport this information. But I'm afraid you are
suggesting a change in the LoTW goals and objectives, which will
take a lot of effort (and money) to include these features.<<<

The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

>>>The first sentence is a whole 'nother issue outside the topic in
this thread! "Reasons for low LoTW participation..."<<<

One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
events.  We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

Comments are invited.

>>>Whatever the outcome, short and long term, if you guys get
a contest put together I'll compete.<<<

73s, Bill, N5RR

>>>73 de Bob - K0RC<<<

Just to finish with a follow-up... I was on the phone today with Wayne
Mills, N7NG/1 at ARRL regarding a certificate issue I was having, and he
confirmed what you said.

You can't purge records from LoTW at this time.

73 de Bob - K0RC


--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
wrote:
>
> WOW! What a potential for wasted resources (disk space)! And to think
the
> system will need to sift through all that "alternative fuel" every
time a
> query is made. And they could have been using all that processing
power for
> something useful... like SETI or something... :-)
>
> Oh well... at least I made DXCC and WAS right out of the shoot... even
> without those bogus Q's!
>
> 73 de Bob - K0RC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "FireBrick" w9ol@...
> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] I'm climbing the learning curve...
>
>
> You don't, you can't.
> Just upload the corrected qsos.
> The 'wrong time' qsos will see in cyberspace, never to be seen again.
>
> Eventually, the LoTW coders will develope a way to 'correct' qsos, but
for
> now they advise
> to just forget about them....
>
> In 100 years, they will fall into the bit bucket and be used as
alternative
> fuel.
>
>
>
> On 6/5/2006 4:37:44 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC (k0rc@...) wrote:
> > Last night I finished uploading 11 years of logbook data... 22,506
> > QSO's... whew... only 33 years to go!
> >
> > This morning I discovered my computer clock's
> > date/time was set wrong for the 1998 ARRL DX CW Contest. I have
about 300
> > QSO's loaded into LoTW that I know are wrong. I am fixing the
original
> > dates/times and
> > will create a new ADIF to upload.
> >
> > How do I "bulk erase" all the bad QSO's
> > currently in the system? You don't just leave them there, do you?
> >
> > 73 de Bob - K0RC
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill

To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 6/6/2006 4:10:40 PM

Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

Gentlemen,

The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
join.

The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
just wanting to casually participate.

As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
square as long as the other operator has included the information
when signing the log file.

The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

Comments are invited.

73s, Bill, N5RR

--- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Vladimir,
>
> I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and
please
> let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls
DXCC
> Challenge totals down.
>
> VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
solution, a
> VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
just "LotW Activity
> VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
> VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
rules are needed:
> VVS> - time frame
> VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
QTH (state,
> VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
> VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
the Activity
> VVS> Days to the LoTW.
>
> VVS> That's it!
>
> VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
potentially
> VVS> improves your score towards an award.
>
> VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
event. I keep my
> VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
> VVS> 73,
> VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
>
> --
> 73...Art RX9TX
>
> http://rx9tx.qrz.ru
>
> "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
better." [Mae West]
>

Hello K0HB,

  I totally agree. Another "doubt": how would LoTW users recognize each
  other in such "parallel" contest-like events?

  Let's  just  make  it  our  own "holiday", lets work some new ones in
  "Activity  Days",  including  WARC  bands,  and  "CQL" or just "LoTW"
  instead  of  "CQ"  would  let us easily recognize each other. If ARRL
  announced  and  advertised, I bet it would bring lots of interest for
  DX- and Challenge- chasers, and new LoTW users, finally. As for me, I
  still  need  to confirm many european countries on 17/30 m, and I bet
  many  of  them need UA9 as well, so that would be very useful for all
  of us.


K> Judging  from  my  results, it is my impression that contesters are
K> the  most  prevalent  users  of LoTW. Maybe this proposed effort is
K> targeting the wrong audience.

K> Contesters  are  the most likely to have computerized/Cabrillo/ADIF
K> logs,  making  it  essentially  painless to upload to LoTW. I doubt
K> that  a  "contest-like" event would generate any appreciable amount
K> of new LoTW participants.

K> 73, de Hans, K0HB
K> --
>><{{{{*> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb


K> ----- Original Message -----
K> From: Bill
K> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
K> Sent: 6/6/2006 4:10:40 PM
K> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama


K> Gentlemen,

K> The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
K> believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
K> users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
K> interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
K> contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
K> second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
K> contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
K> their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
K> continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
K> entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
K> there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
K> join.

K> The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
K> band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
K> that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
K> free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
K> just wanting to casually participate.

K> As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
K> to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
K> of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
K> other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

K> At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
K> backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
K> same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
K> LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
K> present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
K> countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
K> information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
K> square as long as the other operator has included the information
K> when signing the log file.

K> The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
K> LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
K> rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
K> signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

K> One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
K> there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
K> events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
K> the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
K> decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

K> Comments are invited.

K> 73s, Bill, N5RR

K> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Vladimir,
>>
>> I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and
K> please
>> let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls
K> DXCC
>> Challenge totals down.
>>
>> VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
K> solution, a
>> VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
K> just "LotW Activity
>> VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
>> VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
K> rules are needed:
>> VVS> - time frame
>> VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
K> QTH (state,
>> VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
>> VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
K> the Activity
>> VVS> Days to the LoTW.
>>
>> VVS> That's it!
>>
>> VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
K> potentially
>> VVS> improves your score towards an award.
>>
>> VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
K> event. I keep my
>> VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
>> VVS> 73,
>> VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
>>
>> --
>> 73...Art RX9TX
>>
>> http://rx9tx.qrz.ru
>>
>> "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
K> better." [Mae West]
>>


K>

--
  73...Art RX9TX

  http://rx9tx.qrz.ru

  "Sometimes even to live is an act of courage."    (Seneca)

I like the summary grid I get regarding my standings for WAS. I am
sitting at "48" or "49" in many categories. It sure would be nice if
there was a second "needed" column on that matrix page!

How can I easily determine what "2" or "1" are missing in each
category using LoTW?

73 de Bob - K0RC

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Robert Chudek wrote:
> I like the summary grid I get regarding my standings for WAS. I am
> sitting at "48" or "49" in many categories. It sure would be nice if
> there was a second "needed" column on that matrix page!
>
> How can I easily determine what "2" or "1" are missing in each
> category using LoTW?

When you're looking at the summary grid, click on one of the awards (or
categories) (e.g. click on 'Basic').  This will show you the pending credits
for the award you selected.  Change the 'View' radio buttons to 'All
Entities', and click the 'Select WAS Award to View' button.  Down below you'll
now have a list all of the states, with the ones you have LOTW credits for
filled in.  The ones you don't have will be obvious by the lack of a call.
There's a drop-down to the left of the 'Select WAS Award to View' button that
will allow you to look at another award(band, etc) without having to go back
to the summary grid.  Just change it and click on the 'Select WAS Award to
View' button again.

I print this out for the various bands I'm working on, and fill in by hand the
missing states I have cards for, so I know where I stand counting both LOTW
and cards.

Ben "Now if I could just get South Carolina for 20" Coleman
- --
Ben Coleman nj8j@...
  "I love the way Microsoft follows standards.  In much the
same manner that fish follow migrating caribou."
                                             Paul Tomblin
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Thanks Graham and Ben,

Man, that was REALLY quick! I went to freshen up the coffee cup and when I
came back, there was my answer!

Thanks again.

73 de Bob - K0RC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Chudek" <k0rc@...>
To: <ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WAS reports...


>I like the summary grid I get regarding my standings for WAS. I am
> sitting at "48" or "49" in many categories. It sure would be nice if
> there was a second "needed" column on that matrix page!
>
> How can I easily determine what "2" or "1" are missing in each
> category using LoTW?
>
> 73 de Bob - K0RC

On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Ben Coleman wrote:

> Ben "Now if I could just get South Carolina for 20" Coleman

You and me both! (I need them on 10 and 15, too!)

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr@...
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
              -- Wilbur Wright, 1901