Who said it would give a user direct access to SMTP records if it were automated. Only those with a membership would be able to change anything and they would have to provide their email address to do0 it. Not much danger here and MUCH better service. the point of a forwarding is to not have to tell everyone a new address if you lose your primary address. If you have to wait 5 days (on my 5^th day now) it is worthless.

 

From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick Flanagan
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 4:01 PM
To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: Arrl mail forwarding

 

Heh!  What is the date of that RFC??  :)

When RFC 821 first came out 30 years ago, e-mail was designed as a relatively crude store-and-forward application back when dial-up UUCP connections were common (remember bang paths??).  While even the latest RFC 5321 does allow for a 4-5 day wait before declaring a message undeliverable (I tried to find your 72-hour reference, but go lost somewhere around section 4.5.4.1  :), today's providers of e-mail services would quickly go out of business if even hour-long delays were to become common.  Granted that SMTP may allow for longer delivery times, but today's market place and on-line community dictates what we have come to expect:  near-instantaneous delivery.

If there are delivery problems with arrl.net-addressed e-mail, it is almost always a problem with the downstream delivery client.  Once in awhile the data center ARRL contracts with to provide e-mail services goes down and in the past they have gone down for a day or two at a time, but those kinds of problems typically affect all arrl.net users, not just isolated accounts.  So if my arrl.net e-mail works well, yours should, too.

As for address changes, I am sure this is a manual process at ARRL where the changes are batched up for periodic updating.  To give users direct access to SMTP records would just invite mischief.

Dick

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On 2/13/2012 1:03 PM, KA7O wrote:

Don't shoot the messenger. <g>

Not my fault that SMTP and the RFCs that define it say 3 days are 

allowed. I don't make the rules, I just run servers that have to follow 

them.

And please note: I didn't say it would take three days to deliver. What 

I said was SMTP systems are allowed 3 days to deliver. I also noted that 

the vast majority of messages are delivered near instantly - but that is 

not guaranteed. In spite of that, most users - as you so clearly 

exemplified here -
expect near instant delivery to be the norm and are 

quite surprised on those few occasions, when it isn't.

But, since - as my log shows - messages to the ARRL forwarding service 

are being accepted - nearly instantly -  I suggest you consider 

reviewing the configuration of your email client or the forwarding 

address you submitted to ARRL's service.

I'd suggest contacting the ARRL for further assistance on this issue.

73, KA7O

On 02/13/2012 05:50 AM, Gilbert Baron wrote:

You Are so far out of it that it is unbelievable. If email took three days

as a regular thing that email
provider would be in the trash can. I have had

MANY email providers and even may years ago it would be seconds for 99.999%

of email. Maybe RFC says that but in practice it is not that way.

-----Original Message-----

From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of KA7O

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:55 PM

To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: Arrl mail forwarding

Uh, actually - no.

It can take - and is allowed to take - up to 3 days (72 hours) for delivery

of an email message. This
is by design and 'rule'.

We've become quite spoiled - to the point of expectation - by our systems

normally doing things much faster than that.

But, by design and by RFC, email is NOT an instant system by any means.

If you need assured instant delivery, you use IM, voice or other point to

point technologies.

73

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