At 03:09 PM 7/12/2009, Gunilla Manell wrote:


That and access notes as well the first time is highly needed.  There
is too many steps every where and the review screen ctrl E should
work there just like it does when you have a person selected from the
family view or pedigree view.  Also it would be nice when you click
on some data the default would be to add it, not "no action"..  You
have to click two or three things to get about anything done, it is
very time wasting and annoying.



>A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there, you can match
>up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
>on the same screen.
>
>As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
>go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
>and siblings" or "spouses and children".   Is there any way that AQ can be
>improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
>Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so you can go
>do that before you click on save.


Scott Scheibe
<mailto:dsscheibe@...>
<http://scottsworld.info>   Scott's website
<http://dsscheibe.blogspot.com> Scott Blog
<http://members.cox.net/dsscheibe/vws/> Scott's Weather Station

I see the using FamilySearch's Family Tree I can manually enter ordinances.
Is there any way to do this in AQ?  Or.. is there any way to jump to Family
Tree in the same fashion that I can jump to the new FamilySearch?



Eric



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From the review individual screen (after the individual is synced) you can click
in the boxes in front of the temple dates (on the left hand screen, your data)
and click save. That will save your info on nFS.

Margaret

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   I see the using FamilySearch's Family Tree I can manually enter ordinances.
   Is there any way to do this in AQ? Or.. is there any way to jump to Family
   Tree in the same fashion that I can jump to the new FamilySearch?

   Eric

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Thanks. I just never thought we could add/alter ordinances in FS and have
always done this through Family tree.





Eric

From the review individual screen (after the individual is synced) you can
click in the boxes in front of the temple dates (on the left hand screen,
your data) and click save. That will save your info on nFS.

Margaret

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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [AQ_NFS] manually entry of ordinances

I see the using FamilySearch's Family Tree I can manually enter ordinances.
Is there any way to do this in AQ? Or.. is there any way to jump to Family
Tree in the same fashion that I can jump to the new FamilySearch?

Eric

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Gunilla:

When you initially link somebody, we have added a new feature. If you
set a preference (under the "FamilySearch" tab of preferences) to see
the LDS ordinances on the match screen, you will also see a new button
labeled, "LDS". If you click on that button, you can transfer LDS
ordinances, including sealings, to your AQ database in one screen.

We will probably add this button to the "Review Individual" screen once
the new features are out of beta test.

We are adding that "LDS" screen to a couple of other places in the code.
If you test the new "Ordinance Reservation and Tracking System" of AQ,
you'll see that you will change the whole way to deal with LDS issues. I
find that when LDS codes are missing for a person in my file, my first
action now is to click on the new temple icon in the name box to add
this person to a list of records to be reserved. If the person is not
yet linked to nFS, the next step is to link the person, and that LDS
button is available at that time, so that if the nFS record has more LDS
information, you can update your local record immediately. If the nFS
person does not have completed ordinances, you can immediately reserve
the ordinances, then track the progress of the ordinances. As ordinances
are completed, you push a single button to keep your file up to date
with the temple records.

Gaylon


Gunilla Manell wrote:
> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there, you can match
> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
> on the same screen.
>
> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
> and siblings" or "spouses and children".   Is there any way that AQ can be
> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so you can go
> do that before you click on save.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunilla
>
>
>
> **********************************************************
> Gunilla Manell
> 1488 NW 2 AVE
> ONTARIO OR 97914
> Phone# 541-889-9076
> e-mail: gmanell@...
> HOME PAGE URL:
> http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/
> FAMILY TREE HOME PAGE URL:
> http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/genhome.html
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Scott:

The "No Action" is not the default. It is the current selection. Since
AQ gives you 4 options, it has to ask you which option to take. By
default, you are just browsing. The other options are to move the nFS
data into your notes, into an additional event, or to replace your main
event with the nFS data.

AQ could be simpler by becoming more simplistic. If we take away the
other options, we can make it more simple. So a single click could
either select or deselect an nFS item -- which would mean that you
either replace your local data or you don't. But you wouldn't be able to
choose to add the nFS data into notes, or to add it as an additional event.

I think you are asking for a preference setting that would limit your
options, and thereby cut down on the amount of information AQ has to ask
you for.

Another thought just occurred to me. Maybe the act of clicking on an
item would toggle between the two most likely states of "No Action" and
"Replace". But a Ctrl+Click would bring up the current screen which lets
you choose between 4 options. The problem with this is, that it wouldn't
be intuitive -- you'd only learn about it if you read the help file
thoroughly before you start using the program. And nobody does that.

Gaylon


Scott Scheibe wrote:
> At 03:09 PM 7/12/2009, Gunilla Manell wrote:
>
>
> That and access notes as well the first time is highly needed.  There
> is too many steps every where and the review screen ctrl E should
> work there just like it does when you have a person selected from the
> family view or pedigree view.  Also it would be nice when you click
> on some data the default would be to add it, not "no action"..  You
> have to click two or three things to get about anything done, it is
> very time wasting and annoying.
>
>
>
>
>> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there, you can match
>> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
>> on the same screen.
>>
>> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
>> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
>> and siblings" or "spouses and children".   Is there any way that AQ can be
>> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
>> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so you can go
>> do that before you click on save.
>>
>
>
> Scott Scheibe
> <mailto:dsscheibe@...>
> <http://scottsworld.info>   Scott's website
> <http://dsscheibe.blogspot.com> Scott Blog
> <http://members.cox.net/dsscheibe/vws/> Scott's Weather Station
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Ok.  I found that button now.  It is just a matter of knowing when to use
it?  Maybe I neglected to take a tutorial lesson concerning this button?



Thanks Gaylon,



Gunilla



   _____

From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gaylon Findlay
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:02 PM
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Sync screen








Gunilla:

When you initially link somebody, we have added a new feature. If you
set a preference (under the "FamilySearch" tab of preferences) to see
the LDS ordinances on the match screen, you will also see a new button
labeled, "LDS". If you click on that button, you can transfer LDS
ordinances, including sealings, to your AQ database in one screen.

We will probably add this button to the "Review Individual" screen once
the new features are out of beta test.

We are adding that "LDS" screen to a couple of other places in the code.
If you test the new "Ordinance Reservation and Tracking System" of AQ,
you'll see that you will change the whole way to deal with LDS issues. I
find that when LDS codes are missing for a person in my file, my first
action now is to click on the new temple icon in the name box to add
this person to a list of records to be reserved. If the person is not
yet linked to nFS, the next step is to link the person, and that LDS
button is available at that time, so that if the nFS record has more LDS
information, you can update your local record immediately. If the nFS
person does not have completed ordinances, you can immediately reserve
the ordinances, then track the progress of the ordinances. As ordinances
are completed, you push a single button to keep your file up to date
with the temple records.

Gaylon

Gunilla Manell wrote:
> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there, you can
match
> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
> on the same screen.
>
> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
> and siblings" or "spouses and children". Is there any way that AQ can be
> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so you can
go
> do that before you click on save.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunilla
>
>
>
> **********************************************************
> Gunilla Manell
> 1488 NW 2 AVE
> ONTARIO OR 97914
> Phone# 541-889-9076
> e-mail: gmanell@manell. <mailto:gmanell%40manell.net> net
> HOME PAGE URL:
> http://gmanell. <http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/> tripod.com/tripod/
> FAMILY TREE HOME PAGE URL:
> http://gmanell. <http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/genhome.html>
tripod.com/tripod/genhome.html
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>





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Gunilla:

This button was added recently to facilitate something the Church was
going to do, which still is apparently on the drawing boards. So we
never really mentioned this new button. But it should be helpful.

If every person in the world only had one spouse and one set of parents,
AQ could let you select the sealing ordinances from the review screen.
The problem comes when there are more than one, and you have to make
sure that the person/parents sealed to on the nFS side is the same
person/parents you see in your local AQ/PAF file. AQ won't just move a
sealing to spouse date from nFS into AQ/PAF without you confirming that
it is the same spouse.

Gaylon


Gunilla Manell wrote:
> Ok.  I found that button now.  It is just a matter of knowing when to use
> it?  Maybe I neglected to take a tutorial lesson concerning this button?
>
>
>
> Thanks Gaylon,
>
>
>
> Gunilla
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gaylon Findlay
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:02 PM
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Sync screen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gunilla:
>
> When you initially link somebody, we have added a new feature. If you
> set a preference (under the "FamilySearch" tab of preferences) to see
> the LDS ordinances on the match screen, you will also see a new button
> labeled, "LDS". If you click on that button, you can transfer LDS
> ordinances, including sealings, to your AQ database in one screen.
>
> We will probably add this button to the "Review Individual" screen once
> the new features are out of beta test.
>
> We are adding that "LDS" screen to a couple of other places in the code.
> If you test the new "Ordinance Reservation and Tracking System" of AQ,
> you'll see that you will change the whole way to deal with LDS issues. I
> find that when LDS codes are missing for a person in my file, my first
> action now is to click on the new temple icon in the name box to add
> this person to a list of records to be reserved. If the person is not
> yet linked to nFS, the next step is to link the person, and that LDS
> button is available at that time, so that if the nFS record has more LDS
> information, you can update your local record immediately. If the nFS
> person does not have completed ordinances, you can immediately reserve
> the ordinances, then track the progress of the ordinances. As ordinances
> are completed, you push a single button to keep your file up to date
> with the temple records.
>
> Gaylon
>
> Gunilla Manell wrote:
>
>> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there, you can
>>
> match
>
>> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
>> on the same screen.
>>
>> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
>> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
>> and siblings" or "spouses and children". Is there any way that AQ can be
>> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
>> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so you can
>>
> go
>
>> do that before you click on save.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunilla
>>
>>
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> Gunilla Manell
>> 1488 NW 2 AVE
>> ONTARIO OR 97914
>> Phone# 541-889-9076
>> e-mail: gmanell@manell. <mailto:gmanell%40manell.net> net
>> HOME PAGE URL:
>> http://gmanell. <http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/> tripod.com/tripod/
>> FAMILY TREE HOME PAGE URL:
>> http://gmanell. <http://gmanell.tripod.com/tripod/genhome.html>
>>
> tripod.com/tripod/genhome.html
>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Gaylon;
I've just been given access to new Family Search. Yea!

I have a request. Would it possible, when I link an individual, and
then copy data from NFS to AQ that a source citation be added
automatically for that event. I'm not to worried about the format of
the source citation, since I can then search and update as necessary.

I've noticed that as I sync whole families, I sometimes want to copy
data from NFS and it is difficult to go back over each family member
and research what was changed. If there's already a way to do this,
I'm sorry for asking.



Enjoy the search!
Thayne
tcurtisGen@...

Thayne:

Don't be sorry for asking. This is something that was on our to-do list
for the nFS syncing from the beginning, but we keep having more pressing
matters to attend to, so it keeps getting pushed back. Hopefully we can
tackle this soon after we release the new Ordinance Reservation and
Tracking System we are currently beta testing.

Gaylon


tcurtis Genealogy wrote:
> Gaylon;
> I've just been given access to new Family Search. Yea!
>
> I have a request. Would it possible, when I link an individual, and
> then copy data from NFS to AQ that a source citation be added
> automatically for that event. I'm not to worried about the format of
> the source citation, since I can then search and update as necessary.
>
> I've noticed that as I sync whole families, I sometimes want to copy
> data from NFS and it is difficult to go back over each family member
> and research what was changed. If there's already a way to do this,
> I'm sorry for asking.
>
>
>
> Enjoy the search!
> Thayne
> tcurtisGen@...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

At 12:30 PM 7/13/2009, Gaylon Findlay wrote:

When I click on the box I almost always want to add it to my events
or replace my event in the case it says deceased and NFS has a date
or a place.  If the field is blank then it defaults to Add To Local
Event, but if the field has data in it then the default is No
Action.  If I wanted No Action I wouldn't have clicked on it in the
first place..  Occasionally I do want to add something as an
additional event, but 99% of the time I want to Replace Local
Event  which should be the default action instead of No Action.  I
really don't see a need for a No Action select to be there at all in
the first place, you already have the OK and Cancel buttons.  If
change your mind and don't want to do something then select Cancel.




>Scott:
>
>The "No Action" is not the default. It is the current selection. Since
>AQ gives you 4 options, it has to ask you which option to take. By
>default, you are just browsing. The other options are to move the nFS
>data into your notes, into an additional event, or to replace your main
>event with the nFS data.
>
>AQ could be simpler by becoming more simplistic. If we take away the
>other options, we can make it more simple. So a single click could
>either select or deselect an nFS item -- which would mean that you
>either replace your local data or you don't. But you wouldn't be able to
>choose to add the nFS data into notes, or to add it as an additional event.
>
>I think you are asking for a preference setting that would limit your
>options, and thereby cut down on the amount of information AQ has to ask
>you for.
>
>Another thought just occurred to me. Maybe the act of clicking on an
>item would toggle between the two most likely states of "No Action" and
>"Replace". But a Ctrl+Click would bring up the current screen which lets
>you choose between 4 options. The problem with this is, that it wouldn't
>be intuitive -- you'd only learn about it if you read the help file
>thoroughly before you start using the program. And nobody does that.
>
>Gaylon
>
>
>Scott Scheibe wrote:
> > At 03:09 PM 7/12/2009, Gunilla Manell wrote:
> >
> >
> > That and access notes as well the first time is highly needed.  There
> > is too many steps every where and the review screen ctrl E should
> > work there just like it does when you have a person selected from the
> > family view or pedigree view.  Also it would be nice when you click
> > on some data the default would be to add it, not "no action"..  You
> > have to click two or three things to get about anything done, it is
> > very time wasting and annoying.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there,
> you can match
> >> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
> >> on the same screen.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
> >> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
> >> and siblings" or "spouses and children".   Is there any way that AQ can be
> >> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
> >> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so
> you can go
> >> do that before you click on save.


Scott Scheibe
<mailto:dsscheibe@...>
<http://scottsworld.info>   Scott's website
<http://dsscheibe.blogspot.com> Scott Blog
<http://members.cox.net/dsscheibe/vws/> Scott's Weather Station

I have come upon a man who has 7 unknown spouses. I have the PDI number for 6 of
them, but can't figure out how to combine them.

Any suggestions? Would this be something they would have to do in Salt Lake?

Cleadie B.



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I don't know how to do this in AQ, but if you're logged directly into nFS
here's what I do to resolve the problem...
select ancestor with multiple spouses.
click on the + next to their name (means they have multiple spouses)
this will bring up a window to allow you to choose which spouse you want to
look at
BUT don't pick a spouse -- select the tab that says "Resolve Duplicate
Spouses"
then check all the 'unknown' spouses
compare in more detail
Then you'll get a side by side comparison of the people just like in the
'finding possible duplicates'

Lawanna

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> I have come upon a man who has 7 unknown spouses. I have the PDI number for
> 6 of them, but can't figure out how to combine them.
>
> Any suggestions? Would this be something they would have to do in Salt
> Lake?
>
>


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In Ancestral Quest,  if you review the man's record, then click on the
button  for "Spouses/Children", you'll see the list of all the spouses.
At the bottom of the screen is a button labeled, "Combine Spouses".

Gaylon


Lawanna Casto wrote:
> I don't know how to do this in AQ, but if you're logged directly into nFS
> here's what I do to resolve the problem...
> select ancestor with multiple spouses.
> click on the + next to their name (means they have multiple spouses)
> this will bring up a window to allow you to choose which spouse you want to
> look at
> BUT don't pick a spouse -- select the tab that says "Resolve Duplicate
> Spouses"
> then check all the 'unknown' spouses
> compare in more detail
> Then you'll get a side by side comparison of the people just like in the
> 'finding possible duplicates'
>
> Lawanna
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I have come upon a man who has 7 unknown spouses. I have the PDI number for
>> 6 of them, but can't figure out how to combine them.
>>
>> Any suggestions? Would this be something they would have to do in Salt
>> Lake?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Scott:

But what if you first choose to Replace Local Event, so the little green
arrow indicates that your local event will be replaced. Then you change
your mind and want to leave your local data as it is. In this case you
need a way to tell AQ to NOT replace the local event. So the option is
there to set the item back to "No Action". If you were only working with
one event, you could "Cancel" out of the sync screen, but if you have
already decided to sync several other pieces of data, you don't want to
cancel the entire screen just to reset this one value. You really do
need the ability to set a selection back to "No Action."

Again this screen doesn't presume to have AI (Artificial Intelligence)
by showing you the next likely action to take, it shows you the current
setting, and lets you change the setting. (As you pointed out, it does
use some AI when there is only one option.)

I tend to agree with the general premise that most of the time you would
want the checkbox to simply toggle between the states of "Replace Local"
and "No Action" without bringing up the box. But for those few times
when you might want to do something else, the options have to be
presented, and then there's even a stickier issue. What if you have
recorded 3 birth events in your PAF or AQ file? And you now want to
"Replace". Which of the 3 do you replace? The current screen provides a
list box of all the local birth events so you can choose one. Granted,
99.9% of the time, there is only one birth event, so this feels like too
many choices most of the time.

Right now we're focusing on getting the Ordinance Reservation and
Tracking System out the door. Once this is completed, we may revisit
this issue and find a way to make it simpler most of the time, without
losing the ability to handle even the tough issues.

Gaylon


Scott Scheibe wrote:
> At 12:30 PM 7/13/2009, Gaylon Findlay wrote:
>
> When I click on the box I almost always want to add it to my events
> or replace my event in the case it says deceased and NFS has a date
> or a place.  If the field is blank then it defaults to Add To Local
> Event, but if the field has data in it then the default is No
> Action.  If I wanted No Action I wouldn't have clicked on it in the
> first place..  Occasionally I do want to add something as an
> additional event, but 99% of the time I want to Replace Local
> Event  which should be the default action instead of No Action.  I
> really don't see a need for a No Action select to be there at all in
> the first place, you already have the OK and Cancel buttons.  If
> change your mind and don't want to do something then select Cancel.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Scott:
>>
>> The "No Action" is not the default. It is the current selection. Since
>> AQ gives you 4 options, it has to ask you which option to take. By
>> default, you are just browsing. The other options are to move the nFS
>> data into your notes, into an additional event, or to replace your main
>> event with the nFS data.
>>
>> AQ could be simpler by becoming more simplistic. If we take away the
>> other options, we can make it more simple. So a single click could
>> either select or deselect an nFS item -- which would mean that you
>> either replace your local data or you don't. But you wouldn't be able to
>> choose to add the nFS data into notes, or to add it as an additional event.
>>
>> I think you are asking for a preference setting that would limit your
>> options, and thereby cut down on the amount of information AQ has to ask
>> you for.
>>
>> Another thought just occurred to me. Maybe the act of clicking on an
>> item would toggle between the two most likely states of "No Action" and
>> "Replace". But a Ctrl+Click would bring up the current screen which lets
>> you choose between 4 options. The problem with this is, that it wouldn't
>> be intuitive -- you'd only learn about it if you read the help file
>> thoroughly before you start using the program. And nobody does that.
>>
>> Gaylon
>>
>>
>> Scott Scheibe wrote:
>>
>>> At 03:09 PM 7/12/2009, Gunilla Manell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That and access notes as well the first time is highly needed.  There
>>> is too many steps every where and the review screen ctrl E should
>>> work there just like it does when you have a person selected from the
>>> family view or pedigree view.  Also it would be nice when you click
>>> on some data the default would be to add it, not "no action"..  You
>>> have to click two or three things to get about anything done, it is
>>> very time wasting and annoying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there,
>>>>
>> you can match
>>
>>>> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse, all
>>>> on the same screen.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and then
>>>> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose "parents
>>>> and siblings" or "spouses and children".   Is there any way that AQ can be
>>>> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three steps?
>>>> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so
>>>>
>> you can go
>>
>>>> do that before you click on save.
>>>>
>
>
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> <http://scottsworld.info>   Scott's website
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I want to compliment Gaylon for his approach to artificial intelligence in
the second paragraph.  I have reviewed several genealogical programs and
have been appalled by the way some of them do what they think I want -
giving me no chance to interfere.   These programs know what is best for me
and they do it.  One of the strengths of AQ, in my opinion, is that we are
allowed to make decisions ourselves.  The flexibility this provides is
important to me.



Eric

Scott:

But what if you first choose to Replace Local Event, so the little green
arrow indicates that your local event will be replaced. Then you change
your mind and want to leave your local data as it is. In this case you
need a way to tell AQ to NOT replace the local event. So the option is
there to set the item back to "No Action". If you were only working with
one event, you could "Cancel" out of the sync screen, but if you have
already decided to sync several other pieces of data, you don't want to
cancel the entire screen just to reset this one value. You really do
need the ability to set a selection back to "No Action."

Again this screen doesn't presume to have AI (Artificial Intelligence)
by showing you the next likely action to take, it shows you the current
setting, and lets you change the setting. (As you pointed out, it does
use some AI when there is only one option.)

I tend to agree with the general premise that most of the time you would
want the checkbox to simply toggle between the states of "Replace Local"
and "No Action" without bringing up the box. But for those few times
when you might want to do something else, the options have to be
presented, and then there's even a stickier issue. What if you have
recorded 3 birth events in your PAF or AQ file? And you now want to
"Replace". Which of the 3 do you replace? The current screen provides a
list box of all the local birth events so you can choose one. Granted,
99.9% of the time, there is only one birth event, so this feels like too
many choices most of the time.

Right now we're focusing on getting the Ordinance Reservation and
Tracking System out the door. Once this is completed, we may revisit
this issue and find a way to make it simpler most of the time, without
losing the ability to handle even the tough issues.

Gaylon

Scott Scheibe wrote:
> At 12:30 PM 7/13/2009, Gaylon Findlay wrote:
>
> When I click on the box I almost always want to add it to my events
> or replace my event in the case it says deceased and NFS has a date
> or a place. If the field is blank then it defaults to Add To Local
> Event, but if the field has data in it then the default is No
> Action. If I wanted No Action I wouldn't have clicked on it in the
> first place.. Occasionally I do want to add something as an
> additional event, but 99% of the time I want to Replace Local
> Event which should be the default action instead of No Action. I
> really don't see a need for a No Action select to be there at all in
> the first place, you already have the OK and Cancel buttons. If
> change your mind and don't want to do something then select Cancel.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Scott:
>>
>> The "No Action" is not the default. It is the current selection. Since
>> AQ gives you 4 options, it has to ask you which option to take. By
>> default, you are just browsing. The other options are to move the nFS
>> data into your notes, into an additional event, or to replace your main
>> event with the nFS data.
>>
>> AQ could be simpler by becoming more simplistic. If we take away the
>> other options, we can make it more simple. So a single click could
>> either select or deselect an nFS item -- which would mean that you
>> either replace your local data or you don't. But you wouldn't be able to
>> choose to add the nFS data into notes, or to add it as an additional
event.
>>
>> I think you are asking for a preference setting that would limit your
>> options, and thereby cut down on the amount of information AQ has to ask
>> you for.
>>
>> Another thought just occurred to me. Maybe the act of clicking on an
>> item would toggle between the two most likely states of "No Action" and
>> "Replace". But a Ctrl+Click would bring up the current screen which lets
>> you choose between 4 options. The problem with this is, that it wouldn't
>> be intuitive -- you'd only learn about it if you read the help file
>> thoroughly before you start using the program. And nobody does that.
>>
>> Gaylon
>>
>>
>> Scott Scheibe wrote:
>>
>>> At 03:09 PM 7/12/2009, Gunilla Manell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That and access notes as well the first time is highly needed. There
>>> is too many steps every where and the review screen ctrl E should
>>> work there just like it does when you have a person selected from the
>>> family view or pedigree view. Also it would be nice when you click
>>> on some data the default would be to add it, not "no action".. You
>>> have to click two or three things to get about anything done, it is
>>> very time wasting and annoying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A friend is using Roots Magic 4, and on the sync screen there,
>>>>
>> you can match
>>
>>>> up all temple dates, including sealed to parents and sealed to spouse,
all
>>>> on the same screen.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, in AQ I first have to link/ sync the person up, and
then
>>>> go back again to "review with family search", before I can choose
"parents
>>>> and siblings" or "spouses and children". Is there any way that AQ can
be
>>>> improved to that could be done in one step instead of two or three
steps?
>>>> Or at least have those buttons available on the first screen, so
>>>>
>> you can go
>>
>>>> do that before you click on save.
>>>>
>
>
> Scott Scheibe
> <mailto:dsscheibe@earthlink <mailto:dsscheibe%40earthlink.net> .net>
> <http://scottsworld. <http://scottsworld.info> info> Scott's website
> <http://dsscheibe. <http://dsscheibe.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> Scott
Blog
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Thanks for the response from Lawanna and Gaylon for the responses. I forgot to
add that my problem showed up in nFS, but I got the info I needed., so all is
well., and he now has only one unknown wife.

Cleadie B.


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All:

We have just released build 18 of Ancestral Quest 12.1.

The easiest way to update to this build is to:

1) Run Ancestral Quest
2) Click on the "Internet" menu
3) Select "Check for Latest AQ Release" -- this will bring up the
download page on our website
4) Exit Ancestral Quest
5) Download the Basic Installer
6) Run the Basic Installer -- this will replace your current version of
AQ 12.1 with this latest build.

Below is a list of the changes and fixes in this build.

For those of you who are LDS, this is possibly the most significant set
of new features ever presented in Ancestral Quest. It will allow you to:

* Sign in as a Helper for another user. For those of you who are staff
members at Family History Centers, you can now how patrons bring in
their PAF databases and help them determine which of their records need
to have ordinance work done, and then help them reserve the ordinances
and create the FORs.

* Regardless of whether you are helping, you can scan your AQ or PAF
file for ordinances, then use the Temple Mode to quickly determine
whether the ordinances are already done, because AQ will directly access
the temple records. If ordinances are not complete, you can reserve
them, create FORs, and then track the progress of the ordinances,
updating your local records quickly and easily.

* If you have reserved ordinances and then decided that you want to
unreserve them, these new features let you unreserve ordinances. We know
that FamilySearch is working on something similar that has been
announced for August, but you can do this today with AQ.

* Once ordinance cards are printed, you can assign them to others, such
as relatives or ward members. AQ has an inventory system to track where
you have sent the cards.

Gaylon Findlay
Incline Software


        Changes in Build 18 (7/23/2009)

*General Enhancements*

    * *Advanced Filtering:* The default method of combining the
      Relationship Filter and the Field Filter has been to OR the two
      lists. The default was changed to AND the two lists, but also the
      combining method is now remembered, so if you last used OR or AND,
      AQ will remember that choice for next time.
    * *Pedigree View:* Clicking on the Notes icon (the triangle in the
      upper right corner of the name box for an individual) will open
      the Notes screen for the individual.

*Enhancements to nFS Features*

    * *Update User Profile:* You can now edit your user profile
    * *Sign in to Help Someone Else:* Helper mode was added
    * *Ordinance Reservation and Tracking System:* This feature is only
      available for LDS users. If you are able to sign into New
      FamilySearch, and you are LDS, you can now reserve temple
      ordinances and track them, updating your local records as
      ordinances are completed.
    * *Matching:* When linking local records with nFS records, you can
      view the details of parents, spouses, siblings and children.

*General Bug Fixes*

    * *Startup:* If you started AQ without a file, it would crash. Fixed.

*Bug Fixes to nFS Features*

    * *Timeout:* Occasionally, when your connection with nFS timed out,
      AQ would not be able to log you back in. Fixed.

All:

We have just finished putting out both a quick start video and a PDF
document that will help you get started with the Ordinance Reservation
and Tracking System.

Please go to this web page:

http://www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Tutorials.htm

Gaylon

I know I have seen the answer somewhere but cannot find it. When I Manage
Batches -> Review Ordinance Batch I see a date in the ordinance column and this
date may be followed by and asterisk (*).  What is the asterisk telling me.

Eric

Found my own answer - the asterisk tells me that my records differ from FS.



Eric



Subject: [AQ_NFS] An asterisk in batch records





I know I have seen the answer somewhere but cannot find it. When I Manage
Batches -> Review Ordinance Batch I see a date in the ordinance column and
this date may be followed by and asterisk (*). What is the asterisk telling
me.

Eric





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It would be nice it these were sorted by RIN or Alpha.



Eric



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I am wondering if I am missing something.  When I reserve names in AQ, I
kind of expected that the temple icon would change, so I can see at a glance
that I reserved it.  It does not.  It still looks like I need to reserve it
or research it more.

Not until I actually printed out an FOR, could I update the local person,
and the little warning triangle showed up on the temple icon.



I wish the process of reserving would somehow mark the names, so I won't
have to keep going back to try to work on it.

I am trying to research and reserve several names before I want to print out
a batch on an FOR.



So am I missing something here, or is that something that could be added?



Thanks,

Gunilla



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Thanks Gaylon. You ROCK!

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@...> wrote:


From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@...>
Subject: [AQ_NFS] New Video and PDF Training for ORTS
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 6:20 PM


 



All:

We have just finished putting out both a quick start video and a PDF
document that will help you get started with the Ordinance Reservation
and Tracking System.

Please go to this web page:

http://www.ancquest .com/Ver12- 1Tutorials. htm

Gaylon



















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One of the users reports a bug that would be rare, but for a few people
who have already reserved a lot of ordinances in New FamilySearch, would
cause AQ to not be able to reconcile reserved ordinances with NFS. We
just put out a new build that fixes this.

Gaylon

Having downloaded and installed this update - the status of the version
continues to show version 18 with a date of 23 July.



Just to be sure the installation worked correctly, I then did a complete
un-install followed by a fresh install of the ver 19 download - same result,
still shows as ver 18 with a date of 23 July.



==== Stewart



From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gaylon Findlay
Sent: 28 July 2009 01:57
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AQ_NFS] Build 19 is available





One of the users reports a bug that would be rare, but for a few people
who have already reserved a lot of ordinances in New FamilySearch, would
cause AQ to not be able to reconcile reserved ordinances with NFS. We
just put out a new build that fixes this.

Gaylon





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I have the trial offer.  I sent a post a few days ago about using more than 1
file - 2 trees.  I found the file I was missing because I used your advice and
put it in a file folder called family data.

I rewatched your informational video on how to obtain a record that is on
Ancestry.Com to place in ancestral quest.  I did what it told me to do, however,
Ancestry has changed its software again, so I couldn't find a way to import the
records.  Help.

I just updated and all went fine, now have 19

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:54:49 +0100
   Stewart Millar <stew999@...> wrote:
> Having downloaded and installed this update - the status
>of the version
> continues to show version 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> Just to be sure the installation worked correctly, I
>then did a complete
> un-install followed by a fresh install of the ver 19
>download - same result,
> still shows as ver 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> ==== Stewart
>
>
>
>From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gaylon Findlay
> Sent: 28 July 2009 01:57
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AQ_NFS] Build 19 is available
>
>
>
>
>
> One of the users reports a bug that would be rare, but
>for a few people
> who have already reserved a lot of ordinances in New
>FamilySearch, would
> cause AQ to not be able to reconcile reserved ordinances
>with NFS. We
> just put out a new build that fixes this.
>
> Gaylon
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Vickie N
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~headstones

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
Aesop  (620-560 BC, Greek Fabulist)

Stewart:

Did you download the CD Image file, rather than the Basic installer? I
just double checked and it looks like we missed a step in renaming a
file. This should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem. It
appears that the Basic installer should have been OK.)

Gaylon


Stewart Millar wrote:
> Having downloaded and installed this update - the status of the version
> continues to show version 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> Just to be sure the installation worked correctly, I then did a complete
> un-install followed by a fresh install of the ver 19 download - same result,
> still shows as ver 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> ==== Stewart
>
>
>
> From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gaylon Findlay
> Sent: 28 July 2009 01:57
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AQ_NFS] Build 19 is available
>
>
>
>
>
> One of the users reports a bug that would be rare, but for a few people
> who have already reserved a lot of ordinances in New FamilySearch, would
> cause AQ to not be able to reconcile reserved ordinances with NFS. We
> just put out a new build that fixes this.
>
> Gaylon
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I did use the CD Image file (as it was before you fixed it) - ran the basic
update and it now successfully reports version 19.



==== Stewart



From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gaylon Findlay
Sent: 28 July 2009 05:03
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Build 19 is available





Stewart:

Did you download the CD Image file, rather than the Basic installer? I
just double checked and it looks like we missed a step in renaming a
file. This should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem. It
appears that the Basic installer should have been OK.)

Gaylon

Stewart Millar wrote:
> Having downloaded and installed this update - the status of the version
> continues to show version 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> Just to be sure the installation worked correctly, I then did a complete
> un-install followed by a fresh install of the ver 19 download - same
result,
> still shows as ver 18 with a date of 23 July.
>
>
>
> ==== Stewart
>
>
>
> From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
> Gaylon Findlay
> Sent: 28 July 2009 01:57
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AQ_NFS] Build 19 is available
>
>
>
>
>
> One of the users reports a bug that would be rare, but for a few people
> who have already reserved a lot of ordinances in New FamilySearch, would
> cause AQ to not be able to reconcile reserved ordinances with NFS. We
> just put out a new build that fixes this.
>
> Gaylon
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>





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