> Does anyone know to what address (preferably email) that one should
> send corrections to HALOT? I've been collecting typographical and
> other such errors in HALOT and I don't know to whom to send them.

You can send them to me. See

http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/lehmann/KAHAL.pdf

for more information. Any such list would be welcome.

Kind regards,

Samuel Arnet
University of Berne, Switzerland

This is probably as accurate as the Veggie Tales version...

Actually, my first thought when I saw the trailer was -- what's Aragorn doing
here???

Luke Goss looks a bit like Viggo Mortensen... (For those out of the loop --
Aragorn is a major character in a set of fantasy books/movies called -- The
Lord of the Rings -- Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers & the Return of
the King)

Nancy L. Jones
interested amateur

Reuters via NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/world/middleeast/08camel.html

S. Goranson
http://www.duke.edu/~goranson

The Annotated Parthia Bibliography has been updated. The bibliography now
includes 3229 works by 1606 authors.
http://parthia.com/parthia_biblio.htm

A separate page lists just the recent works, those published 2004 through
2006.
http://parthia.com/parthia_biblio_recent.htm

If you note any missing works or have suggestions, please let me know.

Cheers,

Chris Hopkins
www.parthia.com

Not the Luke Goss of 80's UK boy-band "Bros" fame? Playing Xerxes?



Best Regards,

GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College
1 King St, Newtown 2042, Australia
Ph: (+61 2) 9577 9774


-----Original Message-----
From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 8 October 2006 7:32 AM
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ANE-2] One Night with the King


This is probably as accurate as the Veggie Tales version...

Actually, my first thought when I saw the trailer was -- what's Aragorn
doing
here???

Luke Goss looks a bit like Viggo Mortensen... (For those out of the loop --
Aragorn is a major character in a set of fantasy books/movies called -- The
Lord of the Rings -- Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers & the Return of
the King)

Nancy L. Jones
interested amateur








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For those interested in chronology, there have been some updates to the
Centuries of Darkness website since the old ANE list went down in February. 
These include two articles readable online on dendrochronology: one an
"easy-read" critique of Kuniholm's work (as published in Minerva), the other a
more detailed document on the Uluburun shipwreck; plus abstracts of articles on
Archaic Greek pottery in Cyrenaica (Libyan Studies, 2005) and the chronology of
late Iron Age Ekron (PEQ, 2006). [The latter hopefully uploaded in the next few
days - please check again shortly.]

See "What's New on This Site" at http://www.centuries.co.uk/whatsnew.htm

We are also pleased to announce that a Greek translation of Centuries of
Darkness (James, Thorpe, Kokkinos, Morkot, Frankish, 1991) has at last been
published.

See the CoD website for full details: under "Recent Developments" at
http://www.centuries.co.uk/news.htm

With best wishes, Peter James




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From Jack Sasson via the agade list:

>From Savas Ö. Savas" <savasosavas@...>:
====================================

Dear friends and colleagues,

Ord. Professor emeritus of Hittitology SEDAT ALP died on 9th
October 2006. He was 93 years old. His death has caused sadness
and grief among family, students, friends and colleagues.

A ceremony in memory of Sedat Alp will take place on Wednesday,
October 11, 2006 at 9.00 TUBITAK and at 10.30 in the Ankara
Universitesi, Dil ve Tarih-Cografya Fakultesi. ANKARA.

Savas Ozkan Savas
Ankara Universitesi
Dil ve Tarih-Cografya Fakultesi
Hititoloji
TR Sihhiye ANKARA TURKEY
savasosavas@...

Duane has word today that the tell-zayit inscription is to be published
soon.

http://www.telecomtally.com/blog/2006/10/the_tell_zayit.html

Jim


--
Jim West, ThD

http://web.infoave.net/~jwest  -- Biblical Studies Resources
http://drjimwest.wordpress.com  -- Weblog

The 2e atelier sur la céramique antique du Liban, scheduled for September 29
and 30 did not go
forward as planned.  However the abstracts of the papers - and 2 full text
papers:
Pellegrino, Emmanuel. Les céramiques communes d’époque romaine du secteur
Bey 02 du centre ville
de Beyrouth
and
Wicenciak, Ula. El-Jiyha, ceramic industry centre in Late-Hellenistic and Roman
times
are available online at:  http://www.ifporient.org/article.php3?id_article=1349
amd indexed in Abzu

-Chuck Jones-

Bjarte,
Thank you for your efforts. The photo is very nice!
I had two thoughts on looking at it. One was that the checkerboard
patterns recall textiles and painted plaster makes a nice permanenrt
wall hanging.
The second thought was that the red is very intense, more like
vermillion or cinnabar (a mercury compound) than the usual iron oxide
reds excountered in the Neolithic. Cinnabar is found in the mountains of
southern Anatolia so its appearance & use at this early date is not
impossible.
Trudy Kawami

________________________________

From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bjarte Kaldhol
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:01 PM
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ANE-2] Strange early building with paintings found in Syria



Dear Listmembers,

After some googling (and substituting Dja'de for Ja'de), I managed to
find a
photo of the paintings:

http://www.mom.fr/archeorient/FICHES/fiches_actuelles/COQUEUGNIOT.html
<http://www.mom.fr/archeorient/FICHES/fiches_actuelles/COQUEUGNIOT.html>


Apparently, the find has been known for some time.

Best wishes,

Bjarte Kaldhol

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"Based on the epic graphic novel by Frank Miller, 300 is a ferocious retelling
of the ancient
Battle of Thermopylae in which King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) and 300 Spartans
fought to the death
against Xerxes and his massive Persian army..."

Trailer at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDiUG52ZyHQ

Production blog at: http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

-Chuck Jones-

Just arrived yesterday from Germany:

"Ezra-Nehemiah"
Biblia Hebraica Quinta - BHQ 20
Edited by David Marcus
Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft Stuttgart, 2006
296 pages, Hebrew, Paper
ISBN: 3438052806
List Price: $98.00 Your Price: $73.50
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Enjoy!

James
________________________________
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Specializing in Ancient Near Eastern and Biblical Studies
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Dear all,

since I happen to be the newest addition to this list, a few words
of presentation are in order.

DPhil. in Classics with a dissertation on Parmenides (2004), the
main focus of my research is on Homeric philology and archaic Greek
poetry, with special regard for the Near Eastern background of these
texts (in the footsteps of W. Burkert, M. L. West and J. P. Brown).
I am a self-taught student of Hebrew, Ugaritic and Akkadian. One
major interest of mine is in the literary anthropology of sexuality,
specifically the representation of the heroic homophile couple
(Gilgamesh - Enkidu, David - Jonathan, and the Odyssean Telemachus -
Pisistratus) : I published a monograph on theirs pairs in 2004 and
am now in the process of reviewing (critically, I am afraid) S.
Ackerman's "When Heroes Love" for the Bryn Mawr Classical Review.

I hope this is not too exotic a profile... -:(

Cordially yours,

Jean-Fabrice Nardelli
Université de Provence.

An inmate of a related discipline, the Classicist Malcolm Heath, has written an
interesting
article "An author is an animal with two ends"
(http://www.leeds.ac.uk/classics/heath/An_author_is_an_animal_with_two_ends.pdf)\
, an expanded
version of a presentation at the JISC Open Access conference (Oxford, September
27-28, 2006).

He makes a number of interersting points which apply pretty well to the broader
areas of Humanites
including ANE and Egyptology, among them:

"In the Arts and Humanities, postprint archiving provides a more immediately
practicable route to
Open Access [than paying author-side fees]. It is already technologically
feasible; it does not
depend on the development of new business models, or on a radical reform of
research funding, or
on the availability of additional resources to meet transitional costs; and it
achieves the most
fundamental goal of ensuring that raw content --the ultimately indispensable
component of research
publications-- is accessible to researchers without impediment. This may not be
a perfect
solution, but it is possible, which is much more important; and any achievable
improvement on what
we have now is good enough --at least, as a starting-point..."

Heath himself is pretty good about self-archiving his publications
(http://www.leeds.ac.uk/classics/heath/heath.html#Web).  As may of you will have
seen, our
Assyriological colleague Dominique Charpin has begun to self-archive
(http://www.digitorient.com/?
p=76 or search for Charpin in Abzu http://www.etana.org/abzu ), likewise our
Papyrological
colleague Roger Bagnall has scores of his articles in a personal postprint
archive (again see
Abzu).  Others are doing this on a greater or lesser scale.

I'd be grateful to hear of others who are self-archiving published work.

Thanks,

-Chuck Jones-

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I'm dividing this message into 2 parts with 3 questions in response
to the 4 earlier posts.

--PART ONE--

> nothing at all Achaemenid Persian except...
> Judith Lerner

> Not the least bit Achaemenid.
> Trudy Kawami

According to their Production Notes (OneNight_Prod_Notes.pdf), nearly
all the filming took place in Jodhpur, India in the Umaid Bhawan
Palace, the Maharanghar Fort, & the Balsamand Lake Palace.

What always strikes me the most odd about the Biblical Epic genre is
not the set style nor the costumes, but the overall cleanliness of
everything.

Question #1:  Do any of you ANE-2 historians know if ancient royal
palaces were actually kept "squeeky clean" the way they're usually
depicted in the movies?  Are there any cuneiform records suggesting
attention to detail; for example, do they ever mention keeping the
indoor areas free of insects, regularly cleaning the curtains,
scrubbing the floors, polishing the solid gold gargantuan statues--
you know, dare I say, ordinary modern-times housewife tasks?

--PART TWO--

> Luke Goss looks a bit like Viggo Mortensen
> Nancy L. Jones

> Not the Luke Goss of 80's UK boy-band "Bros" fame?
> GEORGE ATHAS

I had never heard of him until now, but apparently his band sold
70,000 tickets to Wembley Stadium in less than an hour, & that was
only on their 2nd tour--not too shabby (reported in an interview by
Mark Moring in "Christianity Today").  In a behind-the-scenes promo
video for the film, Goss made the following historical statements
(which I'm paraphrasing):

1) Five million people traveled with Xerxes, including 1.2 million
footsoldiers, cavalry, & servants.

2) Xerxes' personal bodyguards were called "The Immortal 10,000".

3) Xerxes ruled over "16 or more nations".

http://www.8x.com/onenight/video_02New.html

Another interview in "Christianity Today" with the female lead,
Tiffany Dupont, quotes her saying, "I'm not a scholar on this, but I
believe ... the king would have been in his 60s or 70s."  (Note--Goss
is 38.)

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/interviews/tiffanydupont.html

Question #2:  Are these statements anywhere near historical reality
as you ANE-2 historians know it?  If not, please correct.

The Production Notes also say, "Once in India, Goss was further able
to add to his research & preparation by spending time with the
Maharajah of Jodhpur, witnessing firsthand the mannerisms &
personality of real life royalty from a culture not too dissimilar
from that of ancient Persia."

Question #3:  Would any ANE-2 members care to express their opinion
on which, if any, modern places they would go to if they wanted to
get a feel for how real-life royalty lived in ancient Persia (or
Assyria or Babylon for that matter)?  In other words, what would you
have recommended to this film's producers to help them recreate not
just the palace, but LIFE in the palace of King Xerxes?

George Michael Grena, II
Redondo Beach, CA

Yes they should have listened to the ol' boy -- things went down hill fast when
he moved on ....

Oak

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What always strikes me the most odd about the Biblical Epic genre is
not the set style nor the costumes, but the overall cleanliness of
everything.

Question #1:  Do any of you ANE-2 historians know if ancient royal
palaces were actually kept "squeeky clean" the way they're usually
depicted in the movies?  Are there any cuneiform records suggesting
attention to detail; for example, do they ever mention keeping the
indoor areas free of insects, regularly cleaning the curtains,
scrubbing the floors, polishing the solid gold gargantuan statues--
you know, dare I say, ordinary modern-times housewife tasks?

Dear Trudy,
This is an interesting question and I must admit that I've never looked into
is seriously. But there are words Sumerian kisalluh and Akkadianized
Sumerian terms kisalluhhu and kisalluhhatu meaning "male and female
courtyard sweepers" and a job called kisallahhutu. So you can start there.
My gut feeling is that there were some ancient Mesopotamians as keen on
being clean as some modern people. But that would take lots of work to
investigate, let alone prove.  And then, there is the question of ritual
purity as opposed to cleanliness, etc. They are related but not identical.
Also, cleanliness is also related to space. What space was to be kept clean?
An entire house? A courtyard? A bed room? A kitchen?
Victor

Victor Hurowitz BGU

http://www.libraries.iub.edu/index.php?pageId=1410

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"The AAI has been contracted to help a new NEH funded initiative to publish UC
Berkeley excavation
results from Nineveh in Open Context, the AAI’s open access data sharing
system. The goal of this
project, led by David Stronach and Eleanor Wilkinson, is to create a
comprehensive open-access
resource of all of the excavation results, including field data, images, and
relevant scholarly
information about the history and archaeology of Iron Age Nineveh."

http://www.alexandriaarchive.org/events.php?newsid=32

-Chuck Jones-

With apologies for cross-posting, Agusti Alemany of the Department of
Sciences of Antiquity and Middle Ages, Autonomous University of Barcelona,
has asked me to inform List members of the following:

SCYTHIANS, SARMATIANS, ALANS: Iranian-Speaking Nomads of the Eurasian
Steppes

Autonomous University of Barcelona, 7-11 May 2007

We are pleased to announce the upcoming International Conference "Scythians,
Sarmatians, Alans - Iranian-Speaking Nomads of the Eurasian Steppes", which
will be held at the Autonomous University of Barcelona from Monday 7th to
Friday 11th May 2007, in close collaboration with the Institute of Ethnology
and Anthropology RAN (Moscow). The main objectives of this conference are
[1] to act as a forum for discussion and to promote scholarly exchange
between Eastern and Western academics dealing with this subject, and [2] to
bring together leading authorities in the field, in order to provide a
state-of-the-art overview of the archaeology, art, history, language and
culture of the Iranian nomads of the Eurasian steppes, to be published as
proceedings in both English and Russian. However, so as to facilitate
scientific exchange, participants are strongly encouraged to submit their
papers in English (or, eventually, French). Applicants should initially
register their interest in attending the conference by filling in the
application (click on "Paper Submission Download") and returning a copy of
this document to the E-Mail address cg.iranian.steppe.nomads@... by 1
December 2006. For more information, please refer to the website:
<http://seneca.uab.es/antiguitat/SCYTHIANS/CONGRESS.htm>


Judith Lerner





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Great, Jean.  Is there - or will there be soon -a copy of the book in English?
   Andrew Fincke

jfnardelli <jnardellis36@...> wrote:
           Dear all,

since I happen to be the newest addition to this list, a few words
of presentation are in order.

DPhil. in Classics with a dissertation on Parmenides (2004), the
main focus of my research is on Homeric philology and archaic Greek
poetry, with special regard for the Near Eastern background of these
texts (in the footsteps of W. Burkert, M. L. West and J. P. Brown).
I am a self-taught student of Hebrew, Ugaritic and Akkadian. One
major interest of mine is in the literary anthropology of sexuality,
specifically the representation of the heroic homophile couple
(Gilgamesh - Enkidu, David - Jonathan, and the Odyssean Telemachus -
Pisistratus) : I published a monograph on theirs pairs in 2004 and
am now in the process of reviewing (critically, I am afraid) S.
Ackerman's "When Heroes Love" for the Bryn Mawr Classical Review.

I hope this is not too exotic a profile... -:(

Cordially yours,

Jean-Fabrice Nardelli
Université de Provence.






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> A particular gaffe is the Star of David on a curtain.
> Judith Lerner

I just returned from a matinee showing, & it was a fantastic film!
While a detailed review would not be appropriate for ANE-2 (I'll blog
it tomorrow--write to me offline for the URL), I was anxious to get
back here & report to Judith Lerner that the "Star of David on a
curtain" she sees in the promo photos is ***NOT***--I repeat--
***NOT*** a "Star of David on a curtain"!!!  It was an incredibly
clever twist at the film's climax, that you will not be able to
figure out without seeing the film (unless the ANE-2 moderators would
like me to spoil it).  I was particularly impressed with the stunning
visual effects from the computer-generated fly-over of the kingdom;
the waterfalls from the palace were awesome (even if not
historical).  The biggest disappoint for ANE historians will be
seeing vellum scrolls written in cuneiform--a royal library full of
them!  But the overall story is compelling & well done.  Interesting
issues raised regarding the rise of something called "democracy" in
Greece.

George Michael Grena, II
Redondo Beach, CA

I would expect palaces in the ANE  to be as unsqueaky unclean as public
places in modern China or India or any other developing country.  I would
expect them to have pretty powerful odors, too, especially temples with
animal sacrifices.  Why do you think they needed to burn all that incense?

Lester Ness
Kunming
China

There have to be some relevant descriptions of sanitary and cleanliness
standards in the Topkapi or the Forbidden City of Beijing from the 19th
century.

Lester Ness
Kunming
China

In addition to Jean-Fabrice Nardelli's "Le motif de la paire d’amis héroïque à
prolongements homophiles : perspectives odysséennes et proche-orientales",
Amsterdam, 2004  is the competitive work of Susan Ackerman, "When Heroes Love:
The Ambiguity of Eros in the Stories of Gilgamesh and David" , NY, Columbia U.,
2005.  She had his, or at least he didn't have hers before him in the writing. 
They offer two different (and mutually exclusive, as I understand) perspectives
on the Biblical aspect.
   Andrew Fincke

Andrew Fincke <finckean@...> wrote:
           Great, Jean. Is there - or will there be soon -a copy of the book in
English?
Andrew Fincke

jfnardelli <jnardellis36@...> wrote:
Dear all,

since I happen to be the newest addition to this list, a few words
of presentation are in order.

DPhil. in Classics with a dissertation on Parmenides (2004), the
main focus of my research is on Homeric philology and archaic Greek
poetry, with special regard for the Near Eastern background of these
texts (in the footsteps of W. Burkert, M. L. West and J. P. Brown).
I am a self-taught student of Hebrew, Ugaritic and Akkadian. One
major interest of mine is in the literary anthropology of sexuality,
specifically the representation of the heroic homophile couple
(Gilgamesh - Enkidu, David - Jonathan, and the Odyssean Telemachus -
Pisistratus) : I published a monograph on theirs pairs in 2004 and
am now in the process of reviewing (critically, I am afraid) S.
Ackerman's "When Heroes Love" for the Bryn Mawr Classical Review.

I hope this is not too exotic a profile... -:(

Cordially yours,

Jean-Fabrice Nardelli
Université de Provence.


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Hi all,

Can anybody tell me where Pythagoras mentioned mustard as treatment
for scorpion bites.

Jan Pieter van de Giessen
Blog: http://bijbelaantekeningen.blogspot.com/

That sounds like a good job for Jeffrey Gibson and the TLG.

george
gfsomsel
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Subject: [ANE-2] Pythagoras mustard

Hi all,

Can anybody tell me where Pythagoras mentioned mustard as treatment
for scorpion bites.

Jan Pieter van de Giessen
Blog: http://bijbelaantek eningen.blogspot .com/






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Though I don't have the book at hand, this may be a report by Pliny in Natural
History.
S. Goranson

Quoting JPvdGiessen <janpieter@...>:

> Hi all,
>
> Can anybody tell me where Pythagoras mentioned mustard as treatment
> for scorpion bites.
>
> Jan Pieter van de Giessen
> Blog: http://bijbelaantekeningen.blogspot.com/

I thought no writings by Pythagoras are extant?

--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...


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Subject: [ANE-2] Pythagoras mustard


Hi all,

Can anybody tell me where Pythagoras mentioned mustard as treatment
for scorpion bites.