I was watching a Discovery Channel program about the recent DNA testing
of Tut`ankh'amun, and there is a scene where they are comparing the
Y-chromosomal DNA of Amunhotep-iii and Akhen'aten.  Looking at the STR
profiles they had on the screen, it looks like they are R1b1b2, which is
fairly rare in Egypt, but common in western europe. I'm aware the
Seti/Ri`amesses family originate somewhere in or near the Levant, but is
there any tradition that the A`akhmossi/Tehutimossi/Amunhotep family
originates somewhere outside of Egypt that I somehow missed?

Has the team that was doing the testing released the full DNA results
from their investigation?

Many thanks in advance for any information or leads.

--
Ratson Naharädama
Denver, Colorado


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear all,
I'm looking for a photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue (National Museum of
Damascus). Unfortunately, the editio princeps is not available in my local
libraries and is completely out of print as far as I know.
The book I'm referring to is:
Asaf, Bordreuil and Millard, La statue de Tell Fekherye et son inscription
bilingue assyro-arameenne (Paris) 1982.

I have access to the images published in CRAI and The Biblical Archaeologist,
but they are unsatisfactory for my purposes. I wandered if anyone could send me
a copy of a photograph both inscriptions.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Alejandro Mizzoni
University of Buenos Aires

Austrian archaeologists located a 3,600-year-old underground city in
Egypt, believed to part of the ancient city of Avaris, the capital of
the Hykso.

More at:

http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/article511496.ece/Archaeologists-find-3600-yea\
r-old-lost-city

Antonio Lombatti


--------------------------------------
http://www.antoniolombatti.it





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Where did you find information that the 19th dynasty was of non-Egyptian origin?
Ramesses I's father was a minor official under Amenhotep III.  18th Dynasty
rulers would not have been favorable to Hyksos or related peoples being in their
governments, as they had waged an extended campaign at the end of the
17th/beginning of the 18th dynasties to drive the Hyksos out of Lower Egypt. 
Two of the last pharaohs of the 17th Dynasty (Sekenenre II and Kamose) appear to
have died in battle, likely with the Hyksos, and Ahmose I, Kamose's
brother/successor, succeeded in driving the Asiatics out (at least for the most
part).
Earl J. Heinrich
Plymouth, MN









-----Original Message-----
From: Ratson Naharadama <yahoo-arch@...>
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:12 am
Subject: [ANE-2] Amunhotep & Akhenaten




I was watching a Discovery Channel program about the recent DNA testing
of Tut`ankh'amun, and there is a scene where they are comparing the
Y-chromosomal DNA of Amunhotep-iii and Akhen'aten. Looking at the STR
profiles they had on the screen, it looks like they are R1b1b2, which is
fairly rare in Egypt, but common in western europe. I'm aware the
Seti/Ri`amesses family originate somewhere in or near the Levant, but is
there any tradition that the A`akhmossi/Tehutimossi/Amunhotep family
originates somewhere outside of Egypt that I somehow missed?

Has the team that was doing the testing released the full DNA results
from their investigation?

Many thanks in advance for any information or leads.

--
Ratson Naharädama
Denver, Colorado

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

JCS 62 (2010) has been posted online.  Here is the link:

   http://asorblog.org/?p=378


--
+++++++
Jim West, ThD

The new C-14 dates for the New Kingdom/18th dynasty beginning c. 1550 now
changed to c. 1560 may not greatly alter existing theories based on the
conventional chronology for this time period.   A ten year change over a 3570
year interval (3570 BP) provides for a margin of error little more than 1/4 of
a percent.  The chronology used fifty years ago for the LBA in Egypt is proven
more accurate than inacurate. 
 
David Q. Hall
Falls Church, Virginia  


--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...> wrote:


From: Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...>
Subject: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt
To: "ANE-2" <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 3:20 PM


 




See also the summary of the related Science magazine Perspective article
"Dating Pharaonic Egypt" at
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/328/5985/1489
In addition, media articles concerning the articles (with some comments)
may also be accessed.
Science Now "New Dates for Egypt's Pharaohs" at
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/new-dates-for-egypts-pharaohs.html
NatureNews "Egyptian kingdoms dated -- Radioactive isotopes nail the
timeline of Egyptian dynasties" at
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100617/full/news.2010.304.html
Discovery News "Ancient Egypt's Pharaohs Dated Using Plants --
Archaeologists finally have a clear timeline for the ruling dynasties of
ancient Egypt thanks to carbon dating" at
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-egypt-radiocarbon-dating.html
The Ben-Gurion University press release regarding the Perspective
article "Dating Pharaonic Egypt" and its author, Prof. Hendrik J. Bruins,
may be read (via EurekAlert!) at
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-06/aabu-nao061710.php
The release, entitled "New analysis on problems between archaeology and
pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating", may also be read at
other sites under that title.
Joseph I. Lauer
Brooklyn, New York











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JCS 62 (2010) now available online

JCS (Journal of Cuneiform Studies) 62 (2010)
ASOR is pleased to announce that JCS 62 (2010) has now been
posted online at Atypon Link.

You may access the table of contents here:

http://www.atypon-link.com/ASOR/toc/jocs/62/2010

The issue contains articles by Massimo Maiocchi, Sarood T.
Mohammed Taher, Gonzalo Rubio, Thomas E. Balke, Paul Delnero,
C�cile Michel, Jan Tavernier, John P. Nielsen, Alice Mouton,
Jeanette C. Fincke. JCS is edited by Piotr Michalowski, and
the managing editor is Billie Jean Collins.

As a reminder, the last 3-4 years of ASOR journals (BASOR,
JCS, and NEA) are available to ASOR members on Atypon Link.
The last 4 years of JCS (2007-2010) are available with an
online subscription or with an ASOR membership. For details,
please see the following URL:

http://www.asor.org/updates/atypon-online.html

-Chuck Jones-
New York

What are the years for Sheshonk?

His excursion into Judah is the basis for the traditional dating of the
Judean kings.





Liz





Lisbeth S. Fried, Ph.D.

Department of Near Eastern Studies

and the Frankel Center for Judaic Studies

University of Michigan

202 S. Thayer -- Room 4111

Ann Arbor, MI 48104

www.lizfried.com <http://www.lizfried.com/>





   _____

From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Hall
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:34 AM
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt





The new C-14 dates for the New Kingdom/18th dynasty beginning c. 1550 now
changed to c. 1560 may not greatly alter existing theories based on the
conventional chronology for this time period.   A ten year change over a
3570 year interval (3570 BP) provides for a margin of error little more than
1/4 of a percent.  The chronology used fifty years ago for the LBA in Egypt
is proven more accurate than inacurate.

David Q. Hall
Falls Church, Virginia

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...
<mailto:josephlauer%40hotmail.com> > wrote:

From: Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...
<mailto:josephlauer%40hotmail.com> >
Subject: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt
To: "ANE-2" <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 3:20 PM



See also the summary of the related Science magazine Perspective article
"Dating Pharaonic Egypt" at
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/328/5985/1489
In addition, media articles concerning the articles (with some comments)
may also be accessed.
Science Now "New Dates for Egypt's Pharaohs" at
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/new-dates-for-egypts-pharaohs.
html
NatureNews "Egyptian kingdoms dated -- Radioactive isotopes nail the
timeline of Egyptian dynasties" at
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100617/full/news.2010.304.html
Discovery News "Ancient Egypt's Pharaohs Dated Using Plants --
Archaeologists finally have a clear timeline for the ruling dynasties of
ancient Egypt thanks to carbon dating" at
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-egypt-radiocarbon-dating.html
The Ben-Gurion University press release regarding the Perspective
article "Dating Pharaonic Egypt" and its author, Prof. Hendrik J. Bruins,
may be read (via EurekAlert!) at
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-06/aabu-nao061710.php
The release, entitled "New analysis on problems between archaeology and
pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating", may also be read at
other sites under that title.
Joseph I. Lauer
Brooklyn, New York

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Earl,
It seems to me that Raston is making a statement about DNA per se and not
declaring anybody non-Egyptian. It is certainly possible that the R1b1b2
characteristic could go many generations back through the pharonic linage.
Raston's comments did not single out D19 but only cited a characteristic that
happens to be available there.
Gene Greenwood
Tahoe City, CA





________________________________
From: "EHEINR007@..." <EHEINR007@...>
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 9:02:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Amunhotep & Akhenaten



Where did you find information that the 19th dynasty was of non-Egyptian origin?
Ramesses I's father was a minor official under Amenhotep III.  18th Dynasty
rulers would not have been favorable to Hyksos or related peoples being in their
governments, as they had waged an extended campaign at the end of the
17th/beginning of the 18th dynasties to drive the Hyksos out of Lower Egypt. 
Two of the last pharaohs of the 17th Dynasty (Sekenenre II and Kamose) appear to
have died in battle, likely with the Hyksos, and Ahmose I, Kamose's
brother/successor, succeeded in driving the Asiatics out (at least for the most
part).
Earl J. Heinrich
Plymouth, MN

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratson Naharadama <yahoo-arch@...>
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:12 am
Subject: [ANE-2] Amunhotep & Akhenaten

I was watching a Discovery Channel program about the recent DNA testing
of Tut`ankh'amun, and there is a scene where they are comparing the
Y-chromosomal DNA of Amunhotep-iii and Akhen'aten. Looking at the STR
profiles they had on the screen, it looks like they are R1b1b2, which is
fairly rare in Egypt, but common in western europe. I'm aware the
Seti/Ri`amesses family originate somewhere in or near the Levant, but is
there any tradition that the A`akhmossi/Tehutimossi/Amunhotep family
originates somewhere outside of Egypt that I somehow missed?

Has the team that was doing the testing released the full DNA results
from their investigation?

Many thanks in advance for any information or leads.

--
Ratson Naharädama
Denver, Colorado

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It has 14 photos -- 2 of the Aramaic text (pretty much unreadable), 7 of the
Akkadian text (fairly readable), one of the whole front of the statue, plus
closeups of the head and feet.
 --
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...


>
>From: "amizzoni@..." <amizzoni@...>
>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 11:29:24 PM
>Subject: [ANE-2] Photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue
>
> 
>Dear all,
>I'm looking for a photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue (National Museum of
Damascus). Unfortunately, the editio princeps is not available in my local
libraries and is completely out of print as far as I know.
>The book I'm referring to is:
>Asaf, Bordreuil and Millard, La statue de Tell Fekherye et son inscription
bilingue assyro-arameenne (Paris) 1982.
>
>I have access to the images published in CRAI and The Biblical Archaeologist,
but they are unsatisfactory for my purposes. I wandered if anyone could send me
a copy of a photograph both inscriptions.
>
>Many thanks in advance.
>
>Kind regards,
>Alejandro Mizzoni
>University of Buenos Aires
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The basis for the study were the dating of seeds and grains of known association
with specific pharaohs, tomb contents, etc.
I'm not sure we have this for Sheshonk.
The destruction level in question at Tel Rehov has already been determined, but
its association with Sheshonk is only guesswork.

Quote:
"Thus, the military campaign of Pharaoh Shoshenq I (biblical Shishak) around 925
BCE is well documented by Shishak's monumental inscription at Karnak as well as
in the bible, but archaeologists disagree whether certain destruction levels
were caused by this invasion."
http://www.rehov.org/Rehov/publications/index4.htm

Regards, Jon Smyth
Kitchener, ONT


--- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried@...> wrote:
>
> What are the years for Sheshonk?
>
> His excursion into Judah is the basis for the traditional dating of the
> Judean kings.
>

British Association for Near Eastern Archaeology

ANNUAL CONFERENCE

FIRST CALL for papers

BANEA would like to announce the 2011 Annual Conference, to be
held in the School of World Art Studies at the University of
East Anglia from  Thursday 6th January 2011 to Saturday 8th
January 2011.

The main theme of the conference will be: Artistry,
Artisanship and Divisions of Labour in the Ancient Near East.

The Conference organisers welcome proposals for themed
sessions, workshops and papers broadly related to the ideas of
artistry, artisanship and divisions of labour in the Ancient
Near East. Themed sessions that could lead to publication
through the BANEA Publication Series are particularly welcome.
As in previous years there will also be a session dedicated to
recent fieldwork and a general session.

Please contact: Dr Joanne Clarke, School of World Art Studies
and Museology

http://www.uea.ac.uk/art/events-news/events/BANEA+2011+Annual+Conference


-Chuck Jones-
NY

Thanks.
Liz


On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:40 PM, "driver40386" <driver40386@...> wrote:

>
>
> The basis for the study were the dating of seeds and grains of known
> association with specific pharaohs, tomb contents, etc.
> I'm not sure we have this for Sheshonk.
> The destruction level in question at Tel Rehov has already been
> determined, but its association with Sheshonk is only guesswork.
>
> Quote:
> "Thus, the military campaign of Pharaoh Shoshenq I (biblical
> Shishak) around 925 BCE is well documented by Shishak's monumental
> inscription at Karnak as well as in the bible, but archaeologists
> disagree whether certain destruction levels were caused by this
> invasion."
> http://www.rehov.org/Rehov/publications/index4.htm
>
> Regards, Jon Smyth
> Kitchener, ONT
>
> --- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried@...> wrote:
> >
> > What are the years for Sheshonk?
> >
> > His excursion into Judah is the basis for the traditional dating
> of the
> > Judean kings.
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is there an official publication of the "Proto-Sinaitic" inscriptions from Wadi
el-Hol yet? A couple of sources list�Darnell's OIP 119 (2002), but if they're
among the 45 Egyptian rock graffiti from Wadi el-Hol published there, I'm not
able to find them.�
�--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
Jersey City

Greetings, All,

     Would anyone on the list know the best person to contact for
getting reproduction rights for photographs of objects in the Bible
Lands Museum?

       E-mail information would be especially helpful.

      Many thanks in advance.  Please reply off-list.
      Stephanie Budin
      Rutgers University, Camden



"Maybe we can link up with someone who's meditating and download
enlightenment!" -Tachikoma

It's AASOR 59 (2005).

Giuseppe

-----------------------------------------------------
Giuseppe Regalzi, PhD
Rome, Italy
http://lnx.orientalisti.net/profili/profili/regalzi



----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@...>
To: "ANE-2 list" <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:40 PM
Subject: [ANE-2] Wadi el-Hol editio princeps?

Is there an official publication of the "Proto-Sinaitic" inscriptions from
Wadi el-Hol yet? A couple of sources list Darnell's OIP 119 (2002), but if
they're among the 45 Egyptian rock graffiti from Wadi el-Hol published
there, I'm not able to find them.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
Jersey City

And AASOR 59 (2005) is at http://www.jstor.org/stable/i290755

-Chuck Jones-
NY

Does anyone know of a book on cuneiform for the general reader, on a slightly
more advanced level than CBF Walker's Reading the Past (and maybe a bit more
recent? I mean, Chiera's They Wrote on Clay was not bad for the past century!)?
I have never seen Glassner's, but the reviews I've seen have not been kind.

Hieroglyphics books for the gen. pub. are a dime a dozen, and that's about what
they're worth.�--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
Jersey City

British Association for Near Eastern Archaeology

ANNUAL CONFERENCE

FIRST CALL for papers

BANEA would like to announce the 2011 Annual Conference, to be held in
the School of World Art Studies at the University of East Anglia from
Thursday 6th January 2011 to Saturday 8th January 2011.

The main theme of the conference will be: Artistry, Artisanship and
Divisions of Labour in the Ancient Near East.

The Conference organisers welcome proposals for themed sessions,
workshops and papers broadly related to the ideas of artistry,
artisanship and divisions of labour in the Ancient Near East. Themed
sessions that could lead to publication through the BANEA Publication
Series are particularly welcome. As in previous years there will also be
a session dedicated to recent fieldwork and a general session.

Please contact: Dr Joanne Clarke, School of World Art Studies and
Museology

http://www.uea.ac.uk/art/events-news/events/BANEA+2011+Annual+Conference


--
Jan Picton
Secretary, Friends of the Petrie Museum (Tel: 07761 823129)
H.R.A. Institute of Archaeology, UCL. j.picton@...
Sessional lecturer, Egypt and the Ancient Near East
Home email: janpicton@.... Fax: 0870 164 1855

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, wllacer <wllacer@...> wrote:


>
> Seems to support a High (but not ultrahigh) and -perhaps,
> depends- the nail in the coffin of the Low Chronology (there
> and related places)
>

'Perhaps, depends' seems appropriate.
This data would certainly seem to limit the range of the 'low chronology' debate
- but the question remains, by how much?

The abstract states that 211 well contexted and short lived samples were
analysed.  This is impressive.
However the sample time range exceeds 1500 years (2650-1100 BCE).
14 per century is quite sparse - at least compared to LB Greece or IA
Syro-Palestine where vastly more samples have been RC analysed, and where
disagreements on the 5-8 decadal scale still exist.


Graham Hagens
Hamilton, ON

The recent C-14 study seems to indicate Shoshenq conventional regnal
years within about 10 years; more studies might be required to
provide specific details.
 
It is guesswork Shoshenq may have destroyed Tel Rehov and other cities in
Israel.  He may have merely collected tribute from the cities he marched on; if
he did not destroy them.  There is no evidence Israel was uninhabited during
the time of Shoshenq; there is merely controversy about what layers were from
his era.  The study of objects from the beginning of the New Kingdom (that is
the beginning of the LBA in Canaan) produced a near match between the
conventional chronology of Egypt and the C-14 dating of items from close to the
beginning of the reign of Ahmose, the first pharoah of the NK.  This seems to
be a major breakthrough in affirming the conventional chronology based on regnal
lists and Assyrian/Babylonian eclipse observations and the accuracy of recent
calibrated C-14 dating technology.  More C-14 studies might lead to new
discoveries about the history of the ANE.   
 
David Q. Hall
Falls Church, Virgnia



--- On Sun, 6/20/10, Lisbeth S. Fried <lizfried@...> wrote:


From: Lisbeth S. Fried <lizfried@...>
Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:06 PM


 



What are the years for Sheshonk?

His excursion into Judah is the basis for the traditional dating of the
Judean kings.

Liz

Lisbeth S. Fried, Ph.D.

Department of Near Eastern Studies

and the Frankel Center for Judaic Studies

University of Michigan

202 S. Thayer -- Room 4111

Ann Arbor, MI 48104

www.lizfried.com <http://www.lizfried.com/>

_____

From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Hall
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:34 AM
To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt

The new C-14 dates for the New Kingdom/18th dynasty beginning c. 1550 now
changed to c. 1560 may not greatly alter existing theories based on the
conventional chronology for this time period. A ten year change over a
3570 year interval (3570 BP) provides for a margin of error little more than
1/4 of a percent. The chronology used fifty years ago for the LBA in Egypt
is proven more accurate than inacurate.

David Q. Hall
Falls Church, Virginia

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...
<mailto:josephlauer%40hotmail.com> > wrote:

From: Joseph I. Lauer <josephlauer@...
<mailto:josephlauer%40hotmail.com> >
Subject: [ANE-2] Re: C14 dating of Ancient Egypt
To: "ANE-2" <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 3:20 PM

See also the summary of the related Science magazine Perspective article
"Dating Pharaonic Egypt" at
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/328/5985/1489
In addition, media articles concerning the articles (with some comments)
may also be accessed.
Science Now "New Dates for Egypt's Pharaohs" at
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/new-dates-for-egypts-pharaohs.
html
NatureNews "Egyptian kingdoms dated -- Radioactive isotopes nail the
timeline of Egyptian dynasties" at
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100617/full/news.2010.304.html
Discovery News "Ancient Egypt's Pharaohs Dated Using Plants --
Archaeologists finally have a clear timeline for the ruling dynasties of
ancient Egypt thanks to carbon dating" at
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-egypt-radiocarbon-dating.html
The Ben-Gurion University press release regarding the Perspective
article "Dating Pharaonic Egypt" and its author, Prof. Hendrik J. Bruins,
may be read (via EurekAlert!) at
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-06/aabu-nao061710.php
The release, entitled "New analysis on problems between archaeology and
pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating", may also be read at
other sites under that title.
Joseph I. Lauer
Brooklyn, New York

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With apologies for cross-posting and strongest apologies for the lateness of
this email (I've just joined this group and the announcement arrived this
morning.

Carl Sandler Berkowitz

   _____

From: Philosophy in Europe [mailto:PHILOS-L@...] On Behalf Of
Institute of Philosophy
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:25 AM
To: PHILOS-L@...
Subject: IP: Events at the Institute of Philosophy



THIS WEEK


Tues 22 Jun, 6.00 pm

Chandaria Laureate Lecture Series: Senate Room, Senate House south block,
WC1 London



Stephen Neale (CUNY)


Lecture 3: Language and Archaeology

The Institute wishes to acknowledge the support of Oxford University Press.


Programme details and registration (fees on day):
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http://www.philosophy.sas.ac.uk/Emergence_conference.html

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Regular updates carried at  <http://www.philosophy.sas.ac.uk>
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Messages to the list are archived at
http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/philos-l.html. Prolonged discussions
should be moved to chora: enrol via
http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/chora.html. Other philosophical resources
on the Web can be found at http://www.liv.ac.uk/pal.





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Only if you "belong[ ]�to an institution or organization that has access to
JSTOR."

And the New York Public�Library doesn't offer off-site access to the 16 million
or so people in its service area.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
Jersey City


>
>From: Charles E. Jones <cejo@...>
>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 1:56:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Wadi el-Hol editio princeps?
>
>�
>And AASOR 59 (2005) is at http://www.jstor.org/stable/i290755
>
>-Chuck Jones-
>NY
>
>
>

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On 22/06/2010, at 6:08 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Only if you "belong[ ] to an institution or organization that has
> access to JSTOR."
>

> And the New York Public Library doesn't offer off-site access to the
> 16 million or so people in its service area.
>
Peter,

I have the same difficulty at my university, but I have honorary
connections with my department, so I can as the interloan section to
get it for me, and send it by e-mail to me. I have had it for some time.

This is the message that alerted me to it. (12 June 2007) .
Unfortunately Lukasz did not send it to the list, only to me, I have
just noticed.

You asked in ANE-2 about the Wadi el-Hol publication.
I have it if front of me.
It is:
The Annual of the American Scholls of Oriental Research, vol 59, (ASOR
– Boston 2005)
It contains two articles:
Result of the 2001 Kerek Plateau early bronze age survey,
And Two early alphabetic inscriptions….
The second on pages: 63-124
(it includes photos and drawing in the end of the paper).
I was present when the volume arrive from the editor to the one of the
authors of Kerek-plateau article. It came to her in May 2006.

I hope it will help.
Sincerely,
Lukasz

-----------------------------------

Łukasz Niesiołowski-Spano', Ph.D.

Department of Ancient History
Institute of History
Warsaw University
Krakowskie Przedmiescie 26 / 28
00-927 Warsaw, Poland
tel. (+48 22) 55 24 514
fax (+48 22) 82 61 988




On 22/06/2010, at 6:08 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Only if you "belong[ ] to an institution or organization that has
> access to JSTOR."
>
> And the New York Public Library doesn't offer off-site access to the
> 16 million or so people in its service area.
> --
> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
> Jersey City
>
> >
> >From: Charles E. Jones <cejo@...>
> >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 1:56:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Wadi el-Hol editio princeps?
> >
> >
> >And AASOR 59 (2005) is at http://www.jstor.org/stable/i290755
> >
> >-Chuck Jones-
> >NY
> >
> >
> >
>
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I rejected this message and removed and banned the sender who joined
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agenda.

Jeffrey

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On 6/21/2010 10:48 PM, jgibson000@... wrote:
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> Jeffrey
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> CC:  ANE-2-owner@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
> This has nothing to do with the focus of the list.
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>>   ETHICAL ISSUES AND CONFLICTS
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>
>>
>>   With the technological developments in the fields of medical care,
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>     long
>>   life has now become a reality. Health care professionals are able to
>>   provide both conventional and latest medical treatments
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>     to
>>   save the lives of people suffering with even chronic
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>     and
>>   terminal illnesses. However, ethical issues and conflicts have now
>>   become very common in health care industry due to rising medical costs.
>>   Many times, health care providers and nurses encounter critical
>>   situations
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>    that
>>   require them to make decisions that have to be both ethical and medical.
>>   Read more...
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>
>>
>>
>>   <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/askribeindia/treatment%20or%20acti\
>>   on>    <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>
>>   TREATMENT OR ACTION
>>   <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/askribeindia/treatment%20or%20acti\
>>   on>
>>
>>   An ethical dilemma can be considered as a mental state where a nurse has
>>   make a choice out of all the available options, while attending a
>>   patient. Nurses are trained with the objective of providing quality
>>   nursing care
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>     to
>>   patients with the assistance of technology. However, emphasis must also
>>   be there to provide
>>   <http://www.worldofestudy.com/hm/ethical-dilema-In-nursing.html>
>>   knowledge and skills to nurses so that they can help diagnose ethical
>>   situations in health care and address them efficiently. On the other
>>   hand, nurses often face situations where they would be unable to decide
>>   on the correct course of treatment or action as their values and beliefs
>>   conflicts with the interests of the patient. Read more....
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Graham
   Bayesian Statistics (the method used inside OxCal) is an inference tool, which
depends rather on the model of interaction -sequencing- of the data, than on the
sheer number of data points. The fact that a more or less accurate virtual
"stratigraphy" - the sequence of rulers- can be built in this case, makes it
fitting for such an analysis, even with a limited number of data (in fact, 180
something measures where used).

   A conservative approach of this study would read, less that exact pinpointing
of dates -even for the NK, they allow for an interval of 25 years-; to look for
exclusions of "null hipotesis". If you look at the graphics at the SOM, "low
chronology" dates are sistematically outside de 95% range for the OK, and, in
some reconstructions (Hornung) also for the NK. Some would object that two sigma
(around 95%) is still weak, but gives a serious indicative that the "Low
chronology" is incompatible with C14 data, almost for sure for the OK and "a
very good bet" for the NK

   All of this notwithstanding, one of the fraities of the OxCal method (taking
for granted the correct inference engine for the physical event studied is used;
and that the "stratigraphical" model is compatible with the reality) is the risk
that, with a short number of data points, non excised outliers can bias the
inference engine. More data points on a given layer means more chances of
detecting outliers and/of reducing its impact

   Regards
              Werner Ll�cer
--- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, Graham Hagens <rgrahamh@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/18/10, wllacer <wllacer@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Seems to support a High (but not ultrahigh) and -perhaps,
> > depends- the nail in the coffin of the Low Chronology (there
> > and related places)
> >
>
> 'Perhaps, depends' seems appropriate.
> This data would certainly seem to limit the range of the 'low chronology'
debate - but the question remains, by how much?
>
> The abstract states that 211 well contexted and short lived samples were
analysed.  This is impressive.
> However the sample time range exceeds 1500 years (2650-1100 BCE).
> 14 per century is quite sparse - at least compared to LB Greece or IA
Syro-Palestine where vastly more samples have been RC analysed, and where
disagreements on the 5-8 decadal scale still exist.
>
>
> Graham Hagens
> Hamilton, ON
>

Thanks for the information. What I need is to take a look at the way
the inscriptions are placed within the statue, so it doesn't matter
for my current purposes if the texts are unreadable. A general photo
of each text would be fine for me.

Alejandro Mizzoni
Buenos Aires

2010/6/20, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>:
> It has 14 photos -- 2 of the Aramaic text�(pretty much unreadable), 7 of the
> Akkadian text (fairly readable), one of the whole front of the statue, plus
> closeups of the head and feet.
> �--
> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
>
>
>>
>>From: "amizzoni@..." <amizzoni@...>
>>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 11:29:24 PM
>>Subject: [ANE-2] Photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue
>>
>>
>>Dear all,
>>I'm looking for a photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue (National Museum
>> of Damascus). Unfortunately, the editio princeps is not available in my
>> local libraries and is completely out of print as far as I know.
>>The book I'm referring to is:
>>Asaf, Bordreuil and Millard, La statue de Tell Fekherye et son inscription
>> bilingue assyro-arameenne (Paris) 1982.
>>
>>I have access to the images published in CRAI and The Biblical
>> Archaeologist, but they are unsatisfactory for my purposes. I wandered if
>> anyone could send me a copy of a photograph both inscriptions.
>>
>>Many thanks in advance.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>Alejandro Mizzoni
>>University of Buenos Aires
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Problem resolved; thanks to those who replied and contacted me offlist.

Alejandro Mizzoni
Buenos Aires

--- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, "amizzoni@..." <amizzoni@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I'm looking for a photograph of the Tell Fakhariya statue (National Museum of
Damascus). Unfortunately, the editio princeps is not available in my local
libraries and is completely out of print as far as I know.
> The book I'm referring to is:
> Asaf, Bordreuil and Millard, La statue de Tell Fekherye et son inscription
bilingue assyro-arameenne (Paris) 1982.
>
> I have access to the images published in CRAI and The Biblical Archaeologist,
but they are unsatisfactory for my purposes. I wandered if anyone could send me
a copy of a photograph both inscriptions.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alejandro Mizzoni
> University of Buenos Aires
>

DARNELL, John et al, "Two early Alphabetic Inscriptions from the Wadi
el-H.�l", The Annual of the ASOR 59 (2005) 63-124.

By coincidence (or psychic insight) I had asked myself this morning
what would I say about this little monograph if I was ever invited to
review it.

#It has serious defects.

#I respect the five editors, but none of them has been fully immersed
in the Bronze-Age proto-alphabet;

#they use the  failed Albright system, and some new guesses at
identifying letters,
but they do not have the whole picture, since they ignore the
collection of related texts from Thebes, published by Flinders Petrie
a century ago, and this seems unscientific;

#their drawing of the vertical line includes the goddess figure
(roughly) but omits two details that Hamilton and I have noted on our
drawings (the cloth in her hand, and the Y below it);

# they  refrain from offering a translation, wisely, given their very
tentative transcription;

# they confidently claim to have pushed the origins of alphabetic
writing back to the beginning of the second millennium, the latter
part of the Middle Kingdom (though I would argue that the Sh sign,
second on the vertical section, in the word MShT 'banquet', is the sun
with a serpent, one snake only, a form which does not appear till the
New Kingdom (LBA); in the Sinai examples this argument is not readily
possible, because it sometimes looks like the general form with two
serpents (but with the sun disc omitted),  used before the NK, and
also in the NK; but the NK form of Q (-o< versus -o-) marks the
bilingual sphinx statuette as LBA/NewK;

#Egypt is declared to be the likely place for the invention of this
script; but the Canaanite syllabary would have been devised in an
Egypt-influenced place, such as Byblos (it is attested at 2300 BCE,
and its characters have been related to Old KIngdom Egyptian forms by
Hoch); likewise the Canaanite consonantary, in Egyptianized  Canaan
(this script is represented in a number of cities there, and also in
the Delta, together with the syllabary);

#they take no account of the Canaanite syllabary, and yet one/quarter
of its syllabograms reappear as consonantograms in the Proto-Canaanite
consonantary.

+ However, they do accept the acrophonic principle  as the basis
(unlike Barry Powell, Writing)

   I have already responded to the monographette, and also to Gordon
Hamilton's account in his book  (Origins of WS alphabet in Egpn
scripts, 324 - 330)

http://cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2009/12/wadi-el-hol-proto-alphabetic.html

http://cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2007/10/gordon-hamiltons-early-alphabet-thesis.\
html

The growing collection of Timna inscriptions is giving support to my
identifications of Sh (sun with serpent, shimsh) and Q (line on stick,
qaw):

http://cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2010/04/timna-inscriptions-copper-mines-at.html

And returning to Peter Daniels:

  >Is there an official publication of the "Proto-Sinaitic"
inscriptions from Wadi el-Hol yet? A couple of sources list Darnell's
OIP 119 (2002), but if they're among the 45 Egyptian rock graffiti
from Wadi el-Hol published there, I'm not able to find them. >

(1) I am puzzled when people refer to "Proto-Sinaitic" inscriptions
being found in Egypt; the Sinai peninsula is the only place that
Sinaitic inscriptions are found (whether proto- or whatever).

Gordon Hamilton and I are poles apart on some matters, but he rightly
uses Proto-Canaanite for the whole corpus of early West Semitic
writing, no matter where any of it is discovered.

But here is Lukasz, again ( a few years ago):
____________________________
Dear All,

I was trying to follow the long, and very detailed discussion on
proto-Canaanite script, as found recently in K.-Q.

I would like to point to recent book by Giovanni Garbini (Introduzione
all'epigrafia semitica, Brescia 2006), where He argues against the use
of such a term.

I think one of the most important point is based on logic. If You call
something proto-something, You imply that this something exists as
well. So, if We use the term proto-canaanite script we should use for
the later forms of this script the term canaanite. But, do We?
As far as my scarce knowledge allow me to generalize I see scholars to
call the later script Phoenician (or Hebrew, Moabite, etc).

I have the impression that scholars differ in use of labels in this
field and all these different labels suggest a different biases of
scholars.

With my best regards
a humble historian

Lukasz Niesiolowski-Spano
_________________________

Well, I will accept Proto-Canaanite (applied to the Late Bronze Age
logo-consonantary, the proto-alphabet); and Paleo-Canaanite (Early
Iron Age consonantary); and then Canaanite scripts (used by various
dialects of the Canaanite family).

I guess I want to use Canaanite in all cases as referring to the
language (not people or place) for which the script was devised.

But it was a successor to the West Semitic logo-syllabary (also for
the Canaanite language), and I use Canaanite for that (without a
proto- or paleo- stage).

(2) My understanding of the Wadi el-Hol graffiti is that it is a
single text, and the unique `aleph ox-head in each part (vertical and
horizontal) is one indicater, even though the writer has his snake (N)
standing up in the horizontal part, and horizontal in the vertical
section, for space-saving purposes; and in my interpretation, which
Peter has pre-judged unfavourably in this forum, it constitutes a
single statement about celebrating the holiday for the goddess with
feasting, a theme which Darnell has found in the Egyptian
inscriptions; in this case it is `Anat, not Hat-hor.

(3) Another question is whether Darnell has published any more of the
Egyptian inscriptions.

Recently I saw John Darnell in the Discovery docos about Tutankhamun
(which have been mentioned in this forum ); amazingly, he and a woman
scholar  were allowed to speak about the young king's military
prowess, without Zahi Hawass supervising them.

As usual I had something else planned for today (and people who are
waiting for a personal reply from me are saying 'if he can write to
discussion groups, why can't he write to me and answer my questions?)

Brian Colless
Massey University, NZ


   --
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
Jersey City
On 22/06/2010, at 3:33 AM, Giuseppe Regalzi wrote:

> It's AASOR 59 (2005).
>
> Giuseppe
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Giuseppe Regalzi, PhD
> Rome, Italy
> http://lnx.orientalisti.net/profili/profili/regalzi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@...>
> To: "ANE-2 list" <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:40 PM
> Subject: [ANE-2] Wadi el-Hol editio princeps?
>
> Is there an official publication of the "Proto-Sinaitic"
> inscriptions from
> Wadi el-Hol yet? A couple of sources list Darnell's OIP 119 (2002),
> but if
> they're among the 45 Egyptian rock graffiti from Wadi el-Hol published
> there, I'm not able to find them.
> --
> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
> Jersey City
>
>
>



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