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Re: [ANE-2] Izbet Sartah Ostracon and Qeiyafa Ostracon

Hello Brian,

Thank you for your comments.

Eretz Israel 16 is dated 1982. The article does seem to be the
Hebrew version of the English article in Tel Aviv 8 that you
mention. But I only have the Hebrew article so I can't be sure.

Have you published any of your articles on Izbet Sarta in journals?

As regarding your attempt at decipherment, I think the main
failing would be that one of the primary factors in suggesting that
the inscription has a message and should be deciphered is
that it is found in a very unlikely place for a scribal school,
and hence a scribal exercise. However, Dotan's attempt at
decipherment is also along the lines of a scribal exercise. I
guess that comes out of the inscription's abecedary. After all,
what else could an abecedary inscription be?

I also think that if you read various letters as rebus or
whatever, you need to provide sufficient reasoning for us to
accept that an author -- especially a student -- would use
that approach. I don't think you have that at the moment,
and I think it's hard to provide.

I agree there is probably a double taw in that position, but
there are positions where I see a double kaf and I don't
necessarily think it's a double letter, perhaps it is just
an attempt to rewrite the letter or reposition it better.

I think the second letter in line one is definitely a lamed,
not an ayin. This is clear to me from the photograph in
Ahituv's handbook, 2nd ed. But then, I also think that
enhanced photographs are not the key -- if one wants to
decipher it, one has to go see the real thing.

Haggai Misgav's lecture dealt mostly with a better
understanding of the development of the alphabet. He
suggested that many inscriptions that are dated "early"
including the El-Khadr arrowheads and the Izbet Sarta
ostracon, may rather be dated towards the later
periods of occupation. He pointed out that the Izbet
Sarta ostracon was found in a pit with Iron II material.
While I don't think he said it outright, it seems that the
definite gist was that Izbet Sarta may be 10th century,
the El-Khadr arrowsheads also, etc.

Anyway, thank you for your reply.

Yitzhak Sapir



Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:42 pm

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