Wow, Victor. You miss breakfast or something? I consider the -el
theophoric more Canaanite and older. No, all yhw theophorics, prefixed or
suffixed, did not replace all -el theophorics which remained traditionally.
A PH to me is not a peh, its a peh-heh. I didn't check out the usage in
Chronicles and I really don't see too much Masoretic pointing in Iron II
epigraphy.

Jack

Jack Kilmon
SanAntonio, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: "victor avigdor hurowitz" <victor@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Re: [biblical-studies] Questions about a seal like the
Rephaihu (ben) Shalem seal


> Why is Refael more "archaic" than Refayahu? It's simply a different
> theophoric element unless you claim that all YHW-s replace 'l which would
> be a strange claim.
> Also, the /e/ in Refayahu is not a tsere but a shewa.
> It is also rather curious that you didn't identify /ph/ as peh. Are you
> totally ignorant of Masoretic vocalization?
> Victor Hurowitz
> BGU
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> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Jack Kilmon wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yitzhak Sapir" <yitzhaksapir@...>
>> To: <biblical-studies@yahoogroups.com>
>> Cc: <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:24 PM
>> Subject: [ANE-2] Re: [biblical-studies] Questions about a seal like the
>> Rephaihu (ben) Shalem seal
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Joseph I. Lauer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone else noticed the similarity in design (and perhaps
>> >> lettering)
>> >> to the recently discovered Rephaihu (ben) Shalem seal of a seal
>> >> pictured
>> >> among others from the Israel Museum in the just-published BAR
>> >> (March/April
>> >> 2008, p. 35), but without a branch/frond/tree as at the end of
>> >> Shalem/Shallum?
>> >> The BAR seal is at the upper right of the picture, just under a
>> >> possibly
>> >> similar but smaller green seal.
>> >> The picture can be seen on-line in the free current issue of BAR
>> >> at
>> >> http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BAR/indexBAR.asp by clicking on the "Fit
>> >> for a
>> >> Queen: Jezebel's Royal Seal" article and scrolling down until the
>> >> picture is
>> >> reached. However, the on-line picture is much smaller than the
>> >> printed
>> >> picture and the words on the seal cannot be made out.
>>
>>
>> That was a very astute observation by Mr. Lauer and, given an identical
>> template, it could be possible that the same maker made both seals.
>> Seals
>> and other examples of stone epigraphy, being durable, cannot be assigned
>> a
>> date merely on the basis of being found in later strata. They can, and
>> probably are, earlier. On the first seal, I was thrown off by the
>> reported
>> named "Rephaihu" given there is no "ph" in Hebrew and the theophoric
>> seemed
>> to be oddly handled. If the tsere voice to the resh is arbitrary, is it
>> possible the name is the Yahwist form of the more archaic "Rafael" as
>> Rafayah?...the waw that would make Rafayahu escapes me.
>>
>> Jack Kilmon
>>
>>
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