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From: arufon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arufon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Zietkiewicz
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
To: arufon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [arufon] Reports involving physical UFO evidence: New Analysis Suggests Non-Local Source for Animal Mutilation

 




George,

 

It has taken me a few weeks to reply to your message but here is my long answer on animal mutilations.  First, thank you for expressing your interest in my work and sharing your experiences on this same topic.  I can honestly say that I have been aware of the animal mutilation phenomena for over 40 years when the first case to gain wide media coverage was reported in 1967.  Having limited opportunity to conduct my own research, I settled for reading written accounts and reviewing photographic evidence of the phenomena that was collected by others.  When the “official” US Government answer consisting of natural predation followed by bloating and subsequent buzzard/blowfly clean-up was advanced, I accepted this analysis.  When later claims of poor ranching practices was suggested, that made sense too, and the mystery was now solved to my total satisfaction.

 

Then, 35+ years later, I started reexamining animal mutilation cases using the power of the internet.  After looking at a great many photographs of mutilated animals (yuk!) one type of commonly reoccurring tissue injury caused me concern, regular appearing elliptical wounds on just one side the animals face beginning under the ear and exposing the entire Maxilla and Mandible (upper and lower jaw bones, respectively).  Seeing very similar tissue damage in bovine, equine, deer, and human (the Brazil autopsy photo’s), and just one side should give anyone pause.  Why would this type tissue damage be present on so many animals and why typically only one side?  The conventional explanation of dehydration and subsequent tissue contraction is an unlikely answer for confirmed fresh kills.

 

During graduate school, I had the good fortune of regularly conversing with a anthropology doctoral student.   We shared many great discussions including how analysis of bones and teeth can reveal a wealth of information about the life of a specific animal.  After recalling these conversations it all finally made sense; the tissue was removed to determine the animals age and diet.  The anthropologist must examine tooth wear and tooth damage to estimate age and tooth shape/jaw structure to determine its normal diet, a procedure easily accomplished with the tissue removed.   No weirdo, satanic cult, or black helicopter spook would care about the age of an animal, only someone collecting scientific data would have any interest in this information. 

 

The coincidence does not end here.  Another common mutilation characteristic is the removal of a single ear.  Today, our scientific community has adopted the ear as a preferred source to obtain fibroblast cells for cloning and genetic information preservation.   Put cloning and ear into Google and scientific paper after paper is found describing the cloning sheep, cows, dogs, etc. all from cells that were obtained from the ear.  The inner ear tissue of most animals has proved to be an excellent source of high quality genetic material because of the high cell division rate and fibroblast density compared to other skin locations.  Also, the ear’s location away from the animals main body reduces the rate of cellular degradation after death and high quality genetic material can be obtained even 24 hours after death.  It is common practice within our scientific community today to harvest the entire ear and place it in cryogenic store for future research. Once again, no weirdo’s, satanic cults, or black helicopter spook’s would care about cloning, only someone collecting genetic information in support of an experiment would need this information. 

 

Many animal mutilations do not show these characteristics and I suspect that just like UFO sightings where only about 1 in 10 are true unknowns, only a subset of the 10,000 animal mutilations recorded in the last 50 years are true mutilation cases.  But I have shared here for the first time I am aware, readers please correct me, sound scientific reasoning behind specific mutilation characteristics; I suggest someone is collecting differentiating information on the animal subjects used in their experiments.  Many laboratory studies over the years have found unexpected chemicals or high concentrations of expected compounds in the animal organs suggesting the animal was part of an experiment.   Within this context, collection of animal age and genetic information would be a normal part of experimental research.  

 

The animal mutilation story has many unsolved mysteries but I hope my logic here finally explains two common characteristics.  Working as a scientist for more than 20 years, I understand the great importance of peer review.  It is very unfortunately that fear of ridicule surrounding this and similar topics disrupts the normal scientific process.  It is my hope that the esteemed members of ARUFON will satisfy the peer review requirement through their critical examination of my analysis.  I would also be interested in hearing from ARUFON members with many decades of historical knowledge as to the prior existence of any anthropological or genetic arguments for animal mutilations.

 

73, Chris

KC0VER

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: arufon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arufon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kf2oc@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:56 AM
To: arufon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [arufon] Reports involving physical UFO evidence.

 




Chris, your 6/22 posting to Re: Question included a couple of strong topics, and I wanted to provide an added reply to the part you provided as:

 

I am personally worried about the animal (and human) mutilation cases; I can share a very convincing argument explaining why it not predators and not someone local. 


It is of high interest to obtain more details of your "....very convincing argument" explanations. So I hope you are agreeable with my move to use this part of your posting under this revised subject thread to give it a different focus from the other ongoing exchanges, which also seem of very much continuing interest to many of us.

 

It seems to me there are three interesting classes of events involving physical evidence:

1) UFO Crashes

2) Crop Circles

3) Animal Mutulations

n) Others TBD?

 

I included crop circles because reports of crop circle developments often seem to have UFO observations in the localities when circles are experiencing development. Ditto for some reports having animal involvements. And it is this latter class that has held a strong interest with me for quite some time.

 

I was raised as a share-cropper in western NY state. To supplement our meager assets we harvested from wild sources for food and some income. From an early age I was a fur trapper. No one knows all of the activity within a limited wild area like trappers do. They are in an intimant contact with their area because they must visit their traps everyday. And they become skilled observers as they read the evidences of every animal's movements thru or within their area.

 

So I think trappers are potentially one of the finest sources of evidences to animal mutilations cases. Even better than land owners and farmers. I am so convinced of this conviction, that about eight years ago I advanced a proposal for the trappers associations to take an organized role in promoting such observations because over the decades of these cases there has never been a single conviction relating to a mutilation case. I advanced this approach with association officials in the area of the states just to the north of your location in Colorado. It led to no official action that I know about, but I relate this aspect to show my interest in your referenced statement. Chris, I hope to see more of your detailed posting for this subject to show the details to which you referred. My thanks to you for restirring parts of my memories of this subject. I also expect to have other related observations to contribute.

 

    Cheers, George.   kf2oc

 


--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Chris Zietkiewicz <czietkiewicz@greenspeedisp.net> wrote:


From: Chris Zietkiewicz <czietkiewicz@greenspeedisp.net>
Subject: RE: [arufon] Re: Question....
To: arufon@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 10:27 PM

George,

 

Best wishes to your wife and you and I hope your wife makes a speedy recovery.

 

In a lot of ways Colorado is still in the 1800’s.  I live in the only Colorado county where anyone can get a concealed weapons permit if you pay $125, fill out the form, and take a 2 day gun safety course.  When it comes to using that gun the rules are very simple here, deadly force is ALWAYS approved to protect yourself or your family from a threat; that’s it, rules over.    

 

Regarding visitors, just like Ron, I hope they are malevolent too but I will not endanger my family on a hope, I need a guarantee.  Unfortunately, the evidence suggests that a visit can be a trip to the dark side.  I heard a psychologist recently explain that hypnosis implants memories instead of recovering them while conveniently ignoring the 1000’s of abductees with documented and corroborated lost time events.  Some abductees share nice stories but a great number have a frightening story to tell.  I am personally worried about the animal (and human) mutilation cases; I can share a very convincing argument explaining why it not predators and not someone local.  The Cash-Landrum incident is only one of many incidents of radiation poisoning.  And the SkinWalker Ranch story, even if only a small portion is true the visitors these people encountered never played nice. 

 

Imagine this situation; a person that you have never seen before appears in your house without warning, gaining entrance by unknown means, and in the kindest voice possible offers to watch your children while you step out for dinner.  I will guess that not a single reader of this message would leave their kids with this person.  Now, cross out the word person and replace with the word visitor, why should my response be any different.  I don’t think this is a tough crowd, just normal folks protecting their families.

 

73, Chris

KC0VER

 

 

 

From: arufon@yahoogroups. com [mailto:arufon@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of george bond
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08 PM
To: arufon@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [arufon] Re: Question....

 

 

'The book' that I have in mind is generic, as in 'Going by the book'. It does have a basis in jurisprudence which I believe is largely established by case law. From this basis it may be quite possible there are variations between different states. That could be important knowledege to possess. Otherwise I have a concern that some uninformed homeowner could easily get into deep trouble if they encountered such a situation.

 

My present belief stems from long past readings and from some of the court records as they have appeared in the news, over the years. These are aspects that may also be encountered in preparing to apply for a concealed carry permit where these may be required.

 

As a result, in my locality, a resident cannot blast a home invader without incurring major liability, unless certain established conditions are satisified, some of which I mentioned earlier. Not everyone may be comfortable with such discussions in a public forum.

 

It is my suggestion that homemakers be careful to be aware of their rights and limitations before they exercise such power. It is only good planning, and I think their insights should be developed for their own locality and jurisdiction.

 

My apology is offered for my delay in responding. I have been spending added time in my wife's health care facility as she currently has some painful pneumonia that adds to her usual conditions.

 

Respectfully, George.            kf2oc

--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Tom Steele <TSteele077@gmail. com> wrote:


From: Tom Steele <TSteele077@gmail. com>
Subject: [arufon] Re: Question....
To: arufon@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 8:44 PM

Ron,
May I ask what "Book" you're refering to?

73's
Tom
--- In arufon@yahoogroups. com, george bond <kf2oc@...> wrote:
>
> Tom, I have greatly enjoyed the responses which you have received to your nice question.
>  
> Maybe here is a different one. According to 'the book' these days, is it not encumbent upon an invaded party to take a defensive and retreating posture (with a limited exception), especially if armed? Otherwise the invaded party may bear severe liability for any resulting injuries.
>  
> A secondary question is whether 'the book' should apply to assorted types of intelligent life?
>  
> Or, am I being to serious?   Cheers, George.               kf2oc
>
> --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Tom Steele <TSteele077@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Steele <TSteele077@ ...>
> Subject: [arufon] Re: Question....
> To: arufon@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 6:43 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron,
> You're quite welcome. Was asked to ask this question for their curiosity. To me their no different from you or me. I don't treat them any different than I would treat you. They speak to me through mental telepathy. I hear them all the time and we do have very interesting conversations.
>
> See you on Tuesday, or should I say HEAR you on Tuesday.
>
> 73's,
> Tom
> KD8JRK
> --- In arufon@yahoogroups. com, "Ron Schaffner" <rschaffner1@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tom:
> >
> > Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know if you meant alien life forms or
> > the government spooks. Quite frankly, I don't know how I would react to such
> > a situation. I'd probably have to change my underwear, as the ones I'm
> > wearing would be soiled. lol
> >
> > You would probably get 1000 different answers to that question. I suppose it
> > would be up to the individual. We live in a paranoid society now days, so I
> > wonder if the public's reaction would be similar to that grand old 1951
> > movie, "The Day the Erath Stood Still." You also have to consider the
> > reaction of the religious community, as it would shake their faith...like
> > the movie, "Contact." First contact would surely rock the planet.
> >
> > I tend to me a bit more skeptical than other Ufologists, so a visit of such
> > magnitude would definitely have an impact on my views. I would hope they
> > were malevolent, as I really don't have a way to defend myself. I could
> > offer them a beer and start asking an array of questions.
> >
> > Ron
> > KD8AFH
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arufon@yahoogroups. com [mailto:arufon@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> > Tom Steele
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:48 PM
> > To: arufon@yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [arufon] Re: Question....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron,
> > People call them Aliens. I don't. I call them Visitors.
> >
> > Hope that clears things up.
> >
> > 73's
> > KD8JRK
> > --- In arufon@yahoogroups. <mailto:arufon% 40yahoogroups. com> com, "Ron
> > Schaffner" <rschaffner1@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > What type of visitors? Can you be more specific?
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > kd8afh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arufon@yahoogroups. <mailto:arufon% 40yahoogroups. com> com
> > [mailto:arufon@ yahoogroups. <mailto:arufon% 40yahoogroups. com> com] On Behalf
> > Of Ray Kasprzak
> > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:49 PM
> > > To: arufon@yahoogroups. <mailto:arufon% 40yahoogroups. com> com
> > > Subject: Re: [arufon] Question....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ask them to take the garbage with them on their way out.
> > >
> > >    
> > > Ray Kasprzak
> > >
> > > K9RJO
> > >
> > > <http://rkasprzak. <http://rkasprzak. smugmug.com/ > smugmug.com/ >
> > http://rkasprzak. <http://rkasprzak. smugmug.com/ > smugmug.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > -------Original Message----- --
> > >
> > > From: Tom Steele <mailto:TSteele077@ >
> > > Date: 6/19/2009 3:06:05 PM
> > > To: arufon@yahoogroups. <mailto:arufon@ yahoogroups.
> > <mailto:arufon% 40yahoogroups. com> com> com
> > > Subject: [arufon] Question....
> > >
> > > To All,
> > > How would you reast to this?
> > >
> > > You're sitting in your living room watching TV. All of a sudden two
> > visitors appear. What would you do?
> > >
> > > 73's
> > > KD8JRK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
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> >
>

 

 

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