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Re: OT: The Future

I believe in a win-win game. capitalism is a win-win game. it offers workers
money and time to buy things and enjoy life in exchange for working. 95% of the
work force in the USA work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I also believe that when a company goes to a foreign land, builds a plant and
then hires local workers and spends money locally, that is a win-win. it boosts
the economy of the local area.

Here in the USA, we created a housing problem by the gov't altering the natural
flow of capitalism in a drastic way. they made laws requiring that people who
cannot afford housed must buy them and the banks must loan the monies.

They also changed the laws in the stock market allowing a person to make money
on a stock falling. not just a small down tick, but allowed the same person to
make multiple gains on repetitive losses. there was an article about a guy who
did that, went to a share holders meeting, asked a question like 'you have done
nothing about the recent losses and if you do not, they will continue' the
press ran that and the stock dropped, he made a small fortune, doubled his
investment in the company and went to another stock holders meeting and did it
again.

I believe that if the USA did not do these things, that the international money
supply would be in much better shape now.

And, thank goodness for other countries being strong now, it helps to reduce the
effects of the mistakes we made and is keeping us from crashing now.

Dave

--- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, Ian Newman <ian_new@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  
> Are you asking your questions from a global perspective or from the point of
view of the USA?
>  
> This is an international forum, so I think it is a rather blinkered and
short-sighted view to consider things from a "USA only" perspective.
>  
> A number of countries are flourishing in the current economic climate and (I
believe) will continue to do so.  If the USA wants to be part of this there
must be some attitude changes and a number of USA companies realised this a
long time ago - they operate in a global market.  They may
make descisions that do not benefit the population of the USA but benefit the
global aims of the company.
>  
> What do you consider to be more important - A weak company that only competes
on a national level, or a strong company that operates in an international,
global environment?
>  
> Ian.
>
> --- On Tue, 14/2/12, buffumjr18 <buffumjr18@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: buffumjr18 <buffumjr18@...>
> Subject: [7x10minilathe] OT: The Future
> To: 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 14 February, 2012, 2:59
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Do you see the future like the doom-and-gloomers, or do you see boom times
ahead?
>
> My personal take is boom times ahead, but we'll never get back to where we
were before 2009. That's gone forever. Each successive bust will be followed by
a boom recovery that gets back about 90% of what is lost. Long term, a slow
slide down, over the decades.
>
> Things that will prevent our full recovery:
>
> Higher taxes necessitated by control-proof spiralling debt.
>
> An erosion of our base of GOOD jobs to the third world.
>
> Increasing energy costs.
>
> The CHANGE of our culture to a more Mexican-like socialist state with
patronage. A migrating people carries their culture with them.
>
> A culture increasingly hostile to success and the successful.
>
> As more and more cannot make a go of it, the burden on those that can spirals,
as the percentage of the unsuccessful grows, and the successful shrinks.
>
> But then, what do I know?
>





Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:19 pm

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Hi,   Are you asking your questions from a global perspective or from the point of view of the USA?   This is an international forum, so I think it is a...
Ian Newman
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Feb 14, 2012
8:46 am

I believe in a win-win game. capitalism is a win-win game. it offers workers money and time to buy things and enjoy life in exchange for working. 95% of the...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 14, 2012
1:19 pm

A reporter once asked the original Henry Ford why he paid his workers so much. He replied, "Who else is going to buy my cars?" The US has been called the best...
buffumjr18 Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
1:11 am

I have point out that if FORD wants to have factories in europe to make cars to sell in europe, that is thinking globally. if you think that having Ford make...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
10:30 am

What the heck. I'll take a shot at this one. When Jobs are shipped overseas for "cheap" labor, it's not just the jobs themselves that are lost, it's the...
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Feb 15, 2012
10:23 am

yes, we used to have huge iron mills to make the cast iron. gone due to environmental laws. we used to have excessively high union wages for workers. compare...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
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In the early 1980’s Great Britain under Margret Thatcher was closing down unproductive coal mines and workplaces at a great rate and a lot of stuff started...
Simon Schuh
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Feb 15, 2012
12:38 pm

this story is being played out over and over. the US closes military bases, ports and the like. they now have a large part of their parts made overseas. we...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
1:25 pm

Ian, You've made a major error. You have assumed that "weak company that only competes on a national level, or a strong company that operates in an...
Philip Lester
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Feb 15, 2012
3:54 am

Their might be hope for you yet, ... Now, ... chart the bust times and the boom times, ... I think you will find something very, very interesting. ... -- ...
Bill Kenny
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Feb 15, 2012
1:34 am

Ah, but that was before globalism. That was back in the day when "tariff" was not a word classified the same as "racist". That was back long before the big...
buffumjr18 Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
1:46 am

yeah, the boom times follow a Republican congress that fixes the mistakes of the left, and the bust times follow a democratic one that raises taxes. notice how...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
10:14 am

I allready know the future.  On election day; I forsee a bunch of vans ,and busses driving around downtown Toledo ,picking up the prostitutes,the homeless,and...
Mark Schwiebert
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Feb 15, 2012
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Toledo as in Toledo ohio? I am moving to a blue state? Oh well once I get there the average of IQ's will go up....
Philip Lester
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Feb 15, 2012
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OK........ so you think prostitutes, the poor and the homeless should not be allowed to vote? In the 1930's there were a couple of European countries where it...
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The Future, in 150 years most likely everyone alive today will be dead (unless some medical advances are made), in 1 to 4 billion years - the sun will go into...
Rob B
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Feb 15, 2012
11:41 pm

IIRC, Thomas Jefferson thought that only land owners should be allowed to vote. I would expand that to tax PAYERS. and, there were a few years where our...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 16, 2012
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Hi Dave, Is that the same Thomas Jefferson who owned a large number of slaves? Ian. ... From: dave_mucha <dave_mucha@...> Subject: [7x10minilathe] Re:...
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Oh, nobody saw that reply coming? Rob ... Oh, nobody saw that reply coming? Rob On 2/15/2012 4:35 PM, Ian Newman wrote: Hi Dave, Is that the same Thomas...
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OK - I admit it - that was a cheap one.  It is easy to mock people from a past time when standards were different. But if people come out with views and...
Ian Newman
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Feb 16, 2012
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Ian, The times are different, yes, but the thought of attaching the right to vote to paying property owners is not as dead as one would think. It has been...
Rob
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Feb 16, 2012
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and the media still considers a persons color when they discuss if his acts are good or bad, and they use race as a means to alter the discussion. we many not...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 16, 2012
3:24 am

Hi Rob, Sorry for the delay in responding to your post, but I have been saving all the OT posts for  weekend entertainment. Just run this one by me again -...
Ian Newman
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Feb 18, 2012
4:53 pm

Ian, Some things I say are 'tongue in cheek' to get people to just stop for a half of a second and ponder things. Unfortunatly, this was not one of them. There...
Rob
av_kel Offline Send Email
Feb 18, 2012
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With a very few exceptions for local elections, non-citizens generally can't vote in the US: From:...
Roy
roylowenthal Offline Send Email
Feb 19, 2012
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there is a very huge gap in legally allowed to vote to actually being allowed to vote. ACORN was based on filling tens of thousands of voter registrations for...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 19, 2012
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When they first started, years ago, ACORN made a one-time mistake of paying for the number of people submitting registration forms. After finding that that got...
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What is more interesting is that you can goggle acorn fraud conviction and find articles like this; ...
dave_mucha Offline Send Email Feb 20, 2012
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When you dig deeper into those cases, you'll probably find that ACORN had turned those folks in! Rather than ACORN sanctioning fraud, they were the injured...
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I can match your sources with equally reliable ones from Rush's pages. why not look past the hype and at the court cases ? Nevada, ACORN was found guilty....
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