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Greetings, ladies and gentlemen,

Before you post to the list, there are things you need to know.  We currently
are operating on an unmoderated basis.  When we are moderated, your messages to
the membership are delayed until a moderator can scan them.  Moderation will
result in the event of repeated straying from the rules that follow.  So please
pay attention to the rules.

The first rule involves the fact there are nearly 2,000 members on the list. If
everybody  posted all the time, we'd have almost 2,000 messages a day.
Obviously, we all would find that an unworkable situation.

So, the upshot is that you need to allow for some moderation, primarily by
yourself.  If you cannot do so,  the list moderators will have to see that you
do. The more you're able to restrain yourself, the less likely the moderators
will decide to set your account to a moderated status, which will result in your
messages being held until a moderator clears them.

How does this work then ?

It is very easy: Simply *Think* about what you're writing.

Before you ask a question, ask yourself whether you've really reviewed the
information available on the Yahoo 5United group website (
http://groups.yahoo.com  ), at the http://www.5united.net website and all the
members' sites.  If you're not sure whether the question was answered already in
the archives,  then check there *first*.

If your post is a reply to an inquiry by another list member, ask yourself 
whether your suggestion is that inspired that almost 2,000 recipients should get
it. If you get the list in digest format, remember that the majority of almost
2,000 others alreadly have received the question in individual message format
and probably several have posted the same thing you plan to. You can check the
messages already posted by reviewing recent messages on the website.  Or you can
reply privately to the person who asked the question.

This also works the other way round. If you ask a question and you get thirty
replies but only a few are posted to the list, please post a summary of the
suggestions for the use of others.  Remember not to quote a private response
unless the original author agrees.  Be sure to report what finally worked for
you and solved the problem. Title the message appropriately, such as "XXXXX
question resolved"  so it can be found easily in the archives.

As on all e-mail lists, there are messages that are not suitable.
These include:

1. Posts that are off topic. Allowed topics are /5 tech and repair questions,
replies to and advice with regard to these questions, questions about
restorations, announcements of 5united gatherings,  posts about parts or bikes
that are for sale and reports of riding experiences.

The list is not for small talk and socialising. You cannot possibly socialise
this way. There are more than 1300 of you. That prematurely ends all
socialising. If you need to talk, there is the slash5-BS list for you, or you
can contact the person you want to discuss things with off-list. If you're not
sure that your topic is suitable for the list, contact a moderator before
posting.

2. Posts that quote another post in its entirety. We all remember it from the
first time. If we missed it, there are the archives. Trim the post you're
replying to to the absolute minimum required to make it clear what you're on
about.

3. Jokes and humor. You can get that elsewhere on the internet.

4. One-liners and � me too !� posts. Comments that you think are funny probably
aren't to all the members. Do not interpret this to mean that your tech posts
can't be funny. Just don't make a tech post with the intent to be funny.

5.  Endless repetition of what has already been said is no use at all either. As
written above, if you get the list in digest format, the question you're typing
the answer to right now, has probably been answered already by fifteen others.
Is *your* answer so special that nearly 2,000 people must read it ?

6. Incorrectly titled posts. Look at the topic of the message you're about to
send and ask yourself if the topic reflects the content of the message, and/or
makes it clear which thread it is part of. Some people actually *use* the topic
of a message to decide whether or not they're going to read it. You'll annoy
people if the content of your message is different from what's in the topic.

7. If a topic is thoroughly covered on the web site at http://groups.yahoo.com,
and it's obvious that the person who made the post has not taken the time to
explore this web site, then (s)he will be banned from the room until (s)he can
prove that (s)he has perused the web site and is familiar with its content.

8.  If you think you have problems with the list, such as not getting some
messages (you can always review messages on the website to compare those with
what you have received), or not getting any messages, contact the list
administration that's listed in the header for every message sent out.

Finally, some of our list members get their email through services that charge
by the byte for data downloads.  So anything you can do to help reduce the
amount of data in a message helps.  This includes quoting only important parts
of the message to which you are responding, making intricate, long-winded
descriptions as short and concise as possible, eliminating "sigs"  and turning
off in your mail program any advertising announcements they generally stick onto
all your messages.

Your subscription to the list confirms that you agree to all of these terms. If
you have issues with them, leave. We think the rules are reasonable. Please be
reasonable yourself and follow them.

***Although this will rarely happen, any violation of an unsuitable post rule is
grounds for being banned from the list, which may be followed by a public
announcement of your departure, along with a reason. You will usually get a
warning beforehand, but don't try to stretch it. We're all busy, and are
absolutely not jumping up and down to the idea of being your personal
babysitter. I'm sure you are not either.***

The moderator team wishes to limit the number of messages to the list to about
15 per day. Please keep that in mind too before making the effort to post again
what you've already seen twice on the list. It prevents disappointments.

Any questions? Contact the moderators, also know as "List Bastards at Large" for
info. Replace -at- in the e-mail-addresses with the silly @ -symbol to get the
actual email-addresses.

Kneale Brownson : kneale-at-coslink.net
Cris Vande Velde : stenella-at-yucom.be
Your moderator team.

Some good research links besides messages archives and files and photos sections
at the Yahoo website  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/5united   include the
following:

http://www.5united.net/     The original 5United website

http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/    Snowbum's technical pages

http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/index.htm     Duane Ausherman's website

http://www.airheads.org/        The Airheads Club

http://www.ibmwr.org/     The Internet BMW Riders Organization

http://www.bmwscotter.org/index.htm   Scott Lydiard's great data, pix and tips

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