Hi... I'm Linn, the list-owner, and I'd like to welcome the new subscribers
who have joined "40 Whacks". I've been interested in the story of Lizzie
Borden for many years, and I'm looking forward to exchanging ideas and
information with others through this list. The list was created only a few
days ago, so at this point we're a very small group!  I hope that will soon
change though... and please do tell others about "40 Whacks". All new
subscribers are welcome.

If you have any questions about the list, you can send e-mail directly to me
at Tango9311@.... or you can visit the OneList website at www.onelist.com.

Thanks again for joining "40 Whacks".

I thought one way to get things rolling with this new list would be to talk
about some of the books we've read. My latest "Borden book" was Lizzie
Borden: The Final Chapter. I don't remember the author's name, but I'll look
it up later on the web.
Has anyone else read this? If so, what did you think of it? If not, what
other books about Lizzie have you read? What books would you recommend?

Linn

Our mailing list is starting to grow... so I just wanted to welcome our
latest subscribers and encourage everyone to send a short "Intro" message.
Let the rest of us know when, where, and how you became interested in Lizzie!

Linn

I posted a message earlier about this book... here's the complete information:

The actual title of the book is Lizzie Borden: The Legend, The Truth, The
Final Chapter, and it was written by A. R. Brown.  The book was published by
Dell in 1992.

Has anyone else read this book?

Linn

In a message dated 5/31/99 8:10:11 AM EST, Tango9311@... writes:

<< I thought one way to get things rolling with this new list would be to
talk
  about some of the books we've read. >>

I'm looking for a book about Lizzie Borden that I read many years ago. I've
checked the public libraries where I live now, but I haven't come across the
book I'm looking for. The author's theory was that Emma was the actual
killer. I don't think I agree <LOL> but I'd like to read the book again. Does
anyone know the title of the book I'm thinking of? If I can get the title and
the author's name, I might be able to request it through the library. Thanks
for any help.

In a message dated 5/31/99 10:56:10 AM EST, Genna25777@... writes:

<< I'm looking for a book about Lizzie Borden that I read many years ago...
The author's theory was that Emma was the actual killer. >>

I read a book with that same conclusion. It might be the same one you read,
but I don't remember the title either. Since Emma was away from home visiting
friends at the time of the murders, it seems very unlikely that she committed
the crimes. I know some people say it would have been easy for her to return
home, kill Abby and Andrew, and get back to Fairhaven, and that her "absence"
from Fall River provided her with a good alibi, but that seems very
far-fetched to me.

I'm willing to listen to all ideas and opinions though!

Linn

Dear Group,
I was very happy to hear that there are other people out there who are as
fascinated as I am in the Lizze Borden mystery.  I have been a "buff" for as
long as I can remember (and I alway think of the Seinfeld episode when George
wonders what you have to do to become a buff).  I remember learning the rhyme
as a child, but my interest has increased over the years to the point that I
actually drove to Fall River (actually not that big a deal from where I
live), and visited the Fall River Historical Society where they have a LB
display, saw the outside of her homes, and went to the view the graves.  A
couple of years ago, (for my wedding anniversary) my husband and I spent the
night at LB"s house which is now a B & B.  Except for the fact that my
husband thinks he married a weirdo, it was a terrific experience.

When we entered the house, it felt very strange because I just knew the
house. It did not feel as though I had never been in the house before, it
felt familiar.  They give a tour which lasts a long time, and they go through
every detail in the exact spot that it occurred which included the cellar and
the attic rooms.  We slept in Abby and Andrew's bedroom (I chose that room
because it was the only one with a private bath, and Lizzie's room was even a
bit too much for me!).  I will be happy to answer any and all questions that
I am able about my stay.

As far as what I have read, I guess my answer would be practically
everything.  I own quite a LB library as I have been collecting for a while
ordering my books through the Fall River Historical Society.  I even have the
Knowlton Papers.  I would be happy to give a list of what I have.  I have a
book of the newspaper articles of the day, but the print is very tough on the
eyes!

I would love to discuss the details of the case even to the smallest clue.
My favorite tidbit of information which always struck me as so odd is that
when Lizzie called her neighbor to come over....before she did.....she
discussed the weather with her first, and then told her what had happened.
It was just a small piece of info that I always thought very, very bizarre.

I will sign off from now, and will be happy to go over my theory of the case
next time.

Patsy751

In response to Patsy's message about her visit to Fall River...

Thanks so much for joining us, Patsy. I enjoyed reading about your stay at
Lizzie's house. I did have to laugh when you mentioned that your husband
thinks he married a "weirdo".  My boyfriend took one look at my Lizzie Borden
books and said "I sure hope you never get mad at me..."  I guess in some ways
we are "weird", but the Lizzie Borden story has fascinated me for years.
Whenever people ask me why I have this strange "hobby", I can't really give
them a good answer.

This might be an interesting topic for discussion. Why are we so fascinated
with Lizzie Borden? Is it the challenge of trying to solve an unsolved crime?
Do we just want to determine for ourselves whether or not justice was served
by Lizzie's acquittal? Or do we have other reasons?

Let's talk about it! I'm directing this question toward everyone who's joined
the list:

Why are YOU interested in Lizzie Borden???

I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's answer. So please... don't be shy!
Jump right in and take part.  I think we can have a very interesting list!

Linn

In my last post, I asked why we're each so fascinated with the story of
Lizzie Borden. Moments later, while visiting Yahoo, I glanced at my "daily
horoscope". Here's what it said, in part:

"You can use words or images to open up new vistas to other people, to reveal
possibilities not yet dreamed of, to feed the hunger for myth and magic
within the human spirit."

I thought then about our Lizzie Borden discussion list... and realized that
this was one way in which I did hope to "open up new vistas to other people,
to reveal possibilities not yet dreamed of", and then I wondered if our
interest in Lizzie is a way in which we "feed the hunger for myth... within
the human spirit."

In some ways, perhaps Lizzie's story has elements of classical mythology, and
the legend of Lizzie has certainly made her a larger-than-life figure. So I
just wanted to share that thought with all... any comments?

Linn

In a message dated 5/31/99 10:35:59 PM EST, Patsy751@... writes:

<<   I have been a "buff" for as long as I can remember >>


LOL, Patsy, you just answered one question I've  had for a long time. What to
call myself when I try to explain by interest in Lizzie Borden to other
people. If I say I'm a "fan", that almost makes it sound like I approve of
double murders LOL, so that doesn't work. I don't like calling myself a
"fanatic" though. That sounds even worse maybe LOL.  But now I know. I am a
BUFF.


And I really enjoyed hearing about your stay at the B&B. That's a trip I hope
I can make someday. I'm curious though. Are all the rooms priced the same or
do they charge more -- or less -- to people who want to sleep in Lizzie's
room?

In a message dated 5/31/99 8:49:45 AM EST, Tango9311@... writes:

<< Let the rest of us know when, where, and how you became interested in
Lizzie!
   >>

I've always had some strange fascination with true crime stories, so I've
browsed through a lot of books at the library looking for interesting
reading. That was where I found Lizzie Borden. Well, that's where I found her
story, at least. LOL. After the first Lizzie book I read, I started talking
to friends about the case, but no one around me seemed interested. So I'm
very glad to be part of this discussion list. I'm not an "expert" on Lizzie
Borden and I really have no idea who killed Abby and Andrew, but I  can't
wait to hear what others in the group have to say! To me, it's a thrill just
to have someone to "talk" to about the case.

Oh, one other thing--- just wanted to say "Hi" and "welcome" to everyone
who's signed the group.

I've received several new subscription notifications today, so once again I'd
like to say "Welcome" to everyone who's joined the 40 Whacks discussion list.
So far though, only a few of us have posted messages... and I hope that will
soon change. I'm hoping that everyone in the group will take an active part
and share his or her thoughts and ideas.

To those who haven't yet sent an "Intro" message, please do! Just tell the
rest of us a little bit about yourself and how you became interested in the
story of Lizzie Borden. Tell us about books you've read, interesting facts
you've learned, or ask questions!

I'd like for this list to serve as a valuable resource for Lizzie buffs... a
place where newcomers can get information about books and newsletters,
articles and websites, and a place where we can share our opinions and hear
the opinions of others.

Now that you've joined the 40 Whacks list, please join in the discussion. I'm
looking forward to hearing from everyone!

Linn

While we're getting things organized here with our "40 Whacks" mailing list,
I thought it might be good to tell everyone about our "archives". Those
who've been part of other "OneList" mailing groups before are probably
already familiar with the how-to's of using the archives.

"40 Whacks" has a public message archive that can be accessed through the
OneList website: http://www.onelist.com.  Once you've logged on to the site,
you can click on the "40 Whacks" list title to view the "List Center" where
all messages are stored.

If anyone has questions about the list -- or if you have ideas or suggestions
for the list -- you can contact me directly at Tango9311@....

Thanks...

Linn

Dear Group,
I had trouble sleeping last night thinking about what I would say would be
the reason that I have always had an interest in the Lizzie Borden case.  The
best answer that I could come up with is that I have no idea.  If pressed, I
guess I would say that I have always felt that it is a mystery that should
have been solved completely, and by reading and gathering the facts, it could
be done.  Therefore, any little tidbit of information is added to your
storeroom of LB knowledge,  and at some point it will all make sense.  So I
guess what I'm saying is that in some small way you become a player...

If the above does not make sense, please forgive me, it was late and very hot
last night.  Anyway while I'm thinking of it, I believe the room rates were
different at the Lizzie B & B.  It was slightly higher to stay in the room
with the private bath.  At this point, I do need to make a confession.  We
stayed in Abby and Andrew's room which has attached to it a small room with
an extra bed.  (It had been Abby's dressing room or sewing room).  Well, I
have to tell you that at the last moment, I couldn't pull the trigger on
sleeping in Abby's bed, and ended up in the small attached bedroom.  I felt
foolish the next morning when the room was filled with sunshine, and I could
hear the birds singing, but when it was dark....

I think I will take a few minutes now to give my humble theory of the
mystery.  I believe that Lizze is guilty of the murder for definite reasons
which I will go into.  However, I will say that I am not positive that she
actually committed the physical act of the murders.  I believe it to be
possible that she could have let the murderer in and out again.

My reasoning is the usual.  Having been in the house itself, I find it
impossible to believe that Lizzie couldn't hear (at the very least) her 200
pound stepmother being hacked to death and falling to the floor!  The house
is not that big, and coming up and down the staircase from her bedroom, at a
certain point on the stairs, she would have had a clear view of Abby's body.

Lizzie is the only one who ever talked about a note that her stepmother went
out....nobody else saw it delivered or after an extensive search (after the
murders) did anyone ever come forward to say that they had sent it.

I thought that it was strange that Andrew's coat was bunched up behind his
head.  I believe it was used as a protection for clothing during the murders.
  Also, Lizzie said that she had helped him take off his shoes for a nap, and
in the photographs, he still had them on.

Another aspect of the case which I find very curious are the actions of her
uncle, John V. Morse.  Specifically, when he came back from visiting, he
walked into the yard immediately after the murders, sat down eating a pear,
and did not ask anyone what was going on!  Yet, the house was surrounded by
police, the curious yada, yada, yada.

He was overheard asking Lizzie "What happened"?  I always believe that he
meant why was her father dead too!  I feel that only Abby was the intended
victim so as to eliminate her from inheritin.  Of course, that brings up to
the motive which I think was money.  I think that Andrew had plans to make a
new will more in favor of his wife, and that would never do.

Okay, I know that I've gone on way too  long.  One little interesting thing
which I would like to pass on is that when I moved into the house I am now
living in (20 yearrs ago), I was in my yard reading one of my first Lizzie
books and an elderly neighbor saw me.  He told me that his father had been a
photographer on the case.  Little did I know that I would develop such an
interest, and I wonder if his father had passed on to him a personal
collection of photographs.  He has long since died, and I regret a missed
opportunity.

I hope I haven't gone on for too long.

Love to hear from everyone.

Patsy751

I honestly can't remember if Lizzie's room cost more, but I will try to find
the brochure of prices.

In a message dated 6/2/99 12:08:55 PM EST, Patsy751@... writes:

<<   I believe that Lizze is guilty of the murder...   I thought that it was
strange that Andrew's coat was bunched up behind his head.  I believe it was
used as a protection for clothing during the murders.  Also, Lizzie said that
she had helped him take off his shoes for a nap, and  in the photographs, he
still had them on.  >>

I'm basically in agreement with all that you wrote, Patsy... I'm not sure
about the coat though... if Lizzie actually committed the crime, I think she
might have hidden her bloody clothing -- the infamous diamond-patterned dress
that she later burned -- in a different way.  Of course, if someone else did
the hatchet job (with Lizzie's knowledge), then your theory about the coat
being used for "protection" might be very valid.

I wanted to point out another interesting thing about the position of
Andrew's body.
Not only was he wearing his shoes, but both feet were on the floor. How many
people do you know who "lie down" for a nap, but who keep their feet on the
floor?
It really appears that Andrew was SEATED on the sofa when he was murdered.
His body naturally "slumped" or might have been pushed into the position in
which it was discovered.

Take a look at the crime photo again -- and oh, yes, how you must now regret
that missed opportunity! -- and see what you think!

Thanks for the post!

Linn

In a message dated 6/2/99 12:08:55 PM EST, Patsy751@... writes:

<<  Of course, that brings up to
  the motive which I think was money.  I think that Andrew had plans to make a
  new will more in favor of his wife, and that would never do.
   >>

OK, I've got lots of questions. First let me say that some days I'd swear
that Lizzie did it, other days I'd swear she couldn't possibly have killed
them. In other words, I don't know!!!  I do think the murders were
pre-meditated, but what was the motive? Money, I suppose, but here's a
question. Did Andrew have a will? I don't recall that any will was ever
found. I know it was talked about during the trial, but the existence of any
will was never established, was it? If there was a will, what happened to it?
Wasn't Lizzie actually very wealthy in her own right?  I guess she could have
been very greedy though.

If it's true that Abby was the intended victim, why did Lizzie also kill her
father? Why didn't she kill Abby (or have someone else do it) and then summon
the police, have her father located, and play INNOCENT? There was plenty of
time for her to kill Abby, clean herself up, go downstairs, and then 30
minutes later go back upstairs and "discover" Abby's body.  Why did she wait
an hour and a half and then kill her father??? More than anything, I think
it's the time that passed between the two killings that really puzzles me
about the case. I can see possible motives for her to kill her stepmother,
but why her father???????

My name is Gene, and I was glad to receive a notice about the group. My
interest in Lizzie Borden started when I was very young. We all at one time
heard the Lizze song and it always stuck with me. Then I saw the movie
starring Elizabeth Montgomery and I was hooked.
    Last year I had to take a trip to Springfield, Mass. I am from Baltimore,
so naturally I wanted to see how far Fall River was from my destination.
Needless to say I stopped at Fall River first. I really enjoyed it. I went by
the Borden house( but did not stay there) , to the cemetery and visited the
graves. Then went by Lizzie's final home, her church and the Fall River
Historical Society. The Historical Society was a great experience. They have
evidence from the trail and a good display of items from the house. I found
they had some great books and other items avaible. I do hope to go back and
stay at the bed and breakfast in the near future.
    I am very interested to exchange ideas with everyone and get your point of
views.
          Gene

In a message dated 6/2/99 9:15:45 PM EST, GLTZ98@... writes:

<< Then I saw the movie
  starring Elizabeth Montgomery and I was hooked.  >>

I have never seen this movie!  Was it a made-for-television film? Or did it
play in the theatres? I wonder if it's been released on videocassette...

Or is it worth watching? How does the movie deal with the "legend"? Does it
suggest Lizzie's guilt or innocence? Or is that left entirely up to the
viewer to decide?

Linn

In a message dated 6/2/99 9:03:49 PM EST, Genna25777@... writes:

<<  I do think the murders were pre-meditated... >>

I agree completely with this... and here's my reasoning:

1. The murders took place on a day when the police of Fall River were away
enjoying a clam bake at Rocky Point. What better time to commit a crime than
when the police will be very slow to respond?

2. Emma Borden was in her 40s at the time and had never spent a night away
from home. But at the time of the murders, she was in Fairhaven visiting
friends.

3. Uncle John Morse arrived "unexpectedly" the night before.  Although he had
no luggage, he later stated he planned to stay for a week.

4. The night before the murders, Lizzie talked to her friend, Alice Russell,
and said she feared something bad was going to happen. She mentioned that a
man had argued with her father and that she was very worried.

And then there's also the disputed attempt to purchase prussic acid. Did
Lizzie visit Eli Bence's shop and try to purchase poison? If so, that's
another incident that suggests a crime in the works.

Maybe none of these points actually "prove" the murders were planned in
advance, but taken together, they show that something strange was going on.
That's my opinion, at least.

Linn

Hi! My name is Judith and I've glad to be part of this list. I probably won't
have a lot to add since I've just recently started reading about Lizzie
Borden. But maybe some of the other members here can help me out by sharing
information. One thing I definitely want to know is if there are any
magazines or newsletters in print...???
Any subscription information would be greatly appreciated.

As for opinions, I'm not convinced that Lizzie was guilty. Maybe after I've
read more and have learned more facts about the case, that opinion will
change. What I'm basing my opinion on is mostly the testimony I've read from
people who saw Lizzie that day. No one saw any blood on her, did they? From
what I remember reading, the witnesses testified that her hair and clothing
were all very neat. If I'm mistaken, please correct me. I know I have a lot
to learn.

Hi Everyone,

I just thought I would take a few minutes to contribute what I could to the
newest letters.  I saw the Elizabeth Montgomery movie, and for a made for TV
movie it was pretty well done.  They really stuck to the facts of the case as
best as they could, but they did provide their own theory which was that
Lizzie did it by stripping down completely and murdering her parents naked so
that their would be no sign of blood.  The last I read, it is not available
on videocassette, but it is repeated once in a while on TV.  Also A & E has a
biography of Lizzie which is quite well done.

Just for comment....what if the reason Andrew was killed is because he came
home sooner than expected, and the killer over-reacted and killed him too
because he/she couldn't get out of the house because Bridget was washing the
window all around the house.  This would be the theory if Lizzie had an
outsider do it.  If it was Lizzie then that probably meant that she wanted to
make a clean sweep of it.  If someone came in (as a  random murderer I mean)
I don't see how this person could conceal themselves in the house all that
time without Lizzie's knowledge.

I believe that is why Lizzie was shunned after the murders.  The people could
not conceive of a woman committing such a crime, and yet, once the dust
settled, they began to ask themselves....well how did it happen?

Later.

Patsy751

In a message dated 6/3/99 10:02:19 AM EST, Patsy751@... writes:

<<  The people could
  not conceive of a woman committing such a crime, and yet, once the dust
  settled, they began to ask themselves....well how did it happen?  >>


Now, here we are... more than a hundred years later, and we're still asking,
"Well, how did it happen?"

I really can't imagine Lizzie not knowing what was happening. I've never been
to the house in Fall River, but I've studied the floorplans and have a good
idea of the size of the house.  It seems impossible that someone could be so
brutally murdered as Abby was without another occupant of the house hearing
something. Lizzie must have known!  Either she killed Abby or she knew that
someone else did, and most likely she was "involved" in some way.

Patsy wrote:  "Just for comment....what if the reason Andrew was killed is
because he came home sooner than expected, and the killer over-reacted and
killed him too
because he/she couldn't get out of the house because Bridget was washing the
windows all around the house.  This would be the theory if Lizzie had an
outsider do it."

Well, yes... that sounds plausible... but if Lizzie had hired a killer or
otherwise conspired to have Abby killed, wouldn't she have arranged an
"escape plan" for the killer? She could have ordered Bridget to go to town...
instead of merely mentioning a sale on fabrics. It seems logical that someone
committing a crime like this would have to get a bit bloody, so wouldn't
Lizzie have made sure Bridget would be away so that the killer would have
ample opportunity to clean himself up and quietly slip out of the house?

The more I think about it, I just don't understand why Andrew was also
murdered.
Had he come in earlier and "interrupted" the killer, it would be easy to
understand.
But he arrived much later. He talked to Lizzie and settled down on the sofa
in the sitting room. Where was the killer during that time interval? How did
the killer even know that Andrew had returned home?

Was any blood found anywhere in the house other than the upstairs guest room
and the sitting room?  I don't think so.  Now, how did the killer get from
the upstairs guest room to the sitting room without leaving traces of blood?
It's possible, I guess.

Heck, at this point, I'd be willing to say that anything would be possible!
I'm baffled by it all!  And I think I've rattled on long enough for one
post... sorry to get so carried away. That logical part of my brain keeps
saying "There has to be an explanation."
I sure wish I knew what it was!

Linn

I've visited several websites, and I'm sure others in the group have done a
bit of browsing for information about Lizzie. If you have favorite websites
-- or if you find a new one -- please share the URL with everyone on the
list!

One site I've visited several times is the "Crime Library" account. Here's
the URL:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/lizzie/lizziemain.htm

Linn

Hello Everyone,

Just a few thoughts.  First of all, every place you read states that it "was
so hot", and I think I remember reading somewhere that in truth, the weather
was actuallly quite pleasant that day...the temperature not being all that
high.  The person who wrote this actually looked up the weather for that day,
but what happened is that orginally someone (maybe in a newspaper account)
made the comment about the heat, it was picked up and then believed as
gospel.  Then when future researchers wrote books they accepted the weather
report as fact.  So now I'm wondering how many little "clues" are accepted as
fact, but are not so.

Another example would be that Andrew wore a ring that Lizzie had given him
from her high school graduation when, in fact, she did not graduate from high
school.  However this is another thing that is just accepted, but not true.

One thing to look at also is the brutality of the crimes.  Since both victims
probably died with the first blow...there was a lot of overkill here.  So I
suppose this is a definite case of someone who had an axe to grind!  This
indicates a lot of pent up rage....so if someone did the killing for Lizzie,
they would probably just get the job done.  However, if Miss Lizzie did it
herself....she had a lot of emotion to discharge.

There are so many aspects of the case, I suppose we could ramble on for hours.

More later.

Patsy751

In our day and age, killers often seem to have no motive. People turn
violent, go on rampages... even kids carry guns to school and kill their
classmates. But what happened in Fall River doesn't seem like a random act.
And that brings us right back to motive.

Who had anything to gain from Abby's death except Lizzie and her sister? From
that alone, the finger of guilt starts pointing toward Lizzie, since Emma was
away at the time. But here's another question: If Lizzie wanted Abby dead,
why resort to such violent means? And why commit the crime or have someone
else commit it right there at home? When I think about it, the whole "plan"
seems ridiculous. Yet it worked. We still can't figure out who killed the
Bordens or how they got away with it.
At least I can't.

In a message dated 6/3/99 8:15:11 PM EST, Patsy751@... writes:

<<  So now I'm wondering how many little "clues" are accepted as
  fact, but are not so. >>

I've often wondered the same thing. The "story" of Lizzie Borden has evolved
into
the "legend" of Lizzie Borden, and there are probably a lot of inaccuracies
that have crept into the telling of the tale.

If anyone knows of other details that have been "warped" over the years,
please share the knowledge with the rest of us.

Linn

Just wanted to say hi to all of you on the list.  I have been interested in the
Borden case for the last 10 years or so.  I have read 3 different books and
everything I could find on the web about the incident.  Needless to say I am not
an expert.  I have learned that in order to sort through the half-truths and
outright lies, one must read many different accounts.  I don't know why I am
mesmerized by this mystery other than to say a part of me thinks someone will
stumble upon a detail or clue that has been overlooked and solve the crime,
maybe.  I don't really think there is anything new going to turn up, yet it
seems that it should have been solved a hundred years ago.  I have not reached
any kind of conclusion as to who committed the murders, but I feel Lizzie knew.
I also believe Uncle John knew or maybe even had a part in the deed.  I feel
like I'm rambling so I'll give my reasons later, but basically I just don't see
any explaining away of all the strange behavior on their part. Thank you for the
list Linn; I think this will be a great way to learn more.

In a message dated 6/4/99 10:28:03 PM EST, donpworld1@... writes:

<< I have read 3 different books and everything I could find on the web about
the incident. >>

Out of curiosity, what books have you read? I'm presently re-reading "40
Whacks" by David Kent, plus Doreen Rappaport's book for young readers
entitled "Be the Judge... Be the Jury - The Lizzie Borden Trial". I'm trying
to construct a "timeline" for all the events of that fateful morning, and
it's a real challenge! There are so many conflicting "facts". I'm also
compliling a list of questions as I go... and I've got dozens of questions
already.

Has everyone else on the list read "40 Whacks"?

Linn

Hi Everyone,
I know that if I told you what I have read, I am putting myself in the
position of being told to get a life.  However, you have to understand, I
have been collecting for a very long time.

To start I've read (and I have the book) of "The Fall River Tragedy" by E. H.
Porter.  I think this is a must read because he was a reporter on the scene
at the time of the murders, and the first book to be written.  The rest are
as follows:

The Girl in the House of Hate by Charles and Louise Samuels
Lizzie by Frank Spiering
A Private Disgrace by Victoria Lincoln (one of my favorites)
Forty Whacks by David Kent
Lizzie Borden by Edward D. Radin
Lizzie Borden...A Casebook of the family and crime in the 1890's
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts vs. Lizzie A. Borden (which is The Knowlton
Papers 1892-1893)
The Knowlton/Pearson Correspondence 1923-1930 (These are notes written
between Attorney Knowlton's son and the writer preparing for his book)
The Legend 100 years after the crime....which is a book of the Conference
held at the Bristol Community College in Fall River in 1992.  All the expert
give their opinion of the case and commentaries of the times.
Also I have a book which is a scrapbook of newspaper accounts of the time.

So if anybody needs me to check a fact, I think that I can do that.  I have
read these books over the course of many years and always enjoyed finding
something that I didn't know before.

Well that's about it for today.

Patsy751