--- In 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com, "kennedygauger" <wkgauger@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for your help!.  The rubber band selection approach worked
on the first try.
>
> Any thoughts as to why this happened so I can avoid repeating my mistake?
>
...

I have no idea what caused the problem.  It is something that leaps out now and
then to snag innocent drawers.  Some obscure quirk lurking in the background. 
Finding a way to work around it is the best I can do.  Perhaps someone else
knows more about it.  Hopefully, the next release, when it comes, will have
eliminated the problem. Enjoy!

Initially, I had thought that I inadvertantly changed layers.  Not so, and the
problem remained.  I have received a solution that worked.

Thanks for helping.

Kennedy


--- In 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Lanigan" <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Is the object in another layer and you have non active layers locked?
>
> Select the object then look in the ODW to see what layer it is in.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> From: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com [mailto:3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of kennedygauger
> Sent: December-04-09 3:19 AM
> To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: SPAM-MED: [3rdPlanIt] Cannot Delete Object
>
>
>
>
>
> I am using version 8.06.004.1385 and have encountered a problem in deleting
> an object. I cannot delete it. I placed a circle in the corner of the layout
> plan with the intent of connecting it on one side with straight track and on
> the other side with the outside radius of a curved turnout (Fast Tracks
> 8-3024r. It did not work, so now I am trying to delete the circle and it
> won't go away. If I click on the circle to move it, a copy appears to be
> made, which moves, and which I can delete, but the original stays behind.
>
> Any thoughts on how this can be fixed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kennedy
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thank you so much for your help!.  The rubber band selection approach worked on
the first try.

Any thoughts as to why this happened so I can avoid repeating my mistake?

Thanks,

Kennedy


--- In 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com, "David" <ddiehl@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com, "kennedygauger" <wkgauger@> wrote:
> >
> > I am using version 8.06.004.1385 and have encountered a problem in deleting
an object.  I cannot delete it. ...
>
> --------------------
>
> Try drawing a rubber band box completely around the circle using the Select
Tool (arrow shaped cursor).  Press and hold the left mouse button and drag the
box to enclose the circle which should automatically select.  Then press the
Delete key and see if that gets rid of the circle.
>
> If not, you may need to copy all wanted objects in the drawing into a new
file.  Use the Copy and the Edit / Paste with options / Paste in Location
option. You can select everything in the drawing with Edit / Select All (Ctrl +
A) then hold Shift and select the circle to eliminate it.  Group remaining
objects (F10).  Copy. Change to new drawing. Then Paste in Location. Ungroup
(F9).  Let us know it works out.
>

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Is the object in another layer and you have non active layers locked?

Select the object then look in the ODW to see what layer it is in.



Gary



From: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com [mailto:3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of kennedygauger
Sent: December-04-09 3:19 AM
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM-MED: [3rdPlanIt] Cannot Delete Object





I am using version 8.06.004.1385 and have encountered a problem in deleting
an object. I cannot delete it. I placed a circle in the corner of the layout
plan with the intent of connecting it on one side with straight track and on
the other side with the outside radius of a curved turnout (Fast Tracks
8-3024r. It did not work, so now I am trying to delete the circle and it
won't go away. If I click on the circle to move it, a copy appears to be
made, which moves, and which I can delete, but the original stays behind.

Any thoughts on how this can be fixed?

Thanks,

Kennedy





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--- In 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com, "kennedygauger" <wkgauger@...> wrote:
>
> I am using version 8.06.004.1385 and have encountered a problem in deleting an
object.  I cannot delete it. ...

--------------------

Try drawing a rubber band box completely around the circle using the Select Tool
(arrow shaped cursor).  Press and hold the left mouse button and drag the box to
enclose the circle which should automatically select.  Then press the Delete key
and see if that gets rid of the circle.

If not, you may need to copy all wanted objects in the drawing into a new file. 
Use the Copy and the Edit / Paste with options / Paste in Location option. You
can select everything in the drawing with Edit / Select All (Ctrl + A) then hold
Shift and select the circle to eliminate it.  Group remaining objects (F10). 
Copy. Change to new drawing. Then Paste in Location. Ungroup (F9).  Let us know
it works out.

I am using version 8.06.004.1385 and have encountered a problem in deleting an
object.  I cannot delete it.  I placed a circle in the corner of the layout plan
with the intent of connecting it on one side with straight track and on the
other side with the outside radius of a curved turnout (Fast Tracks 8-3024r.  It
did not work, so now I am trying to delete the circle and it won't go away.  If
I click on the circle to move it, a copy appears to be made, which moves, and
which I can delete, but the original stays behind.

Any thoughts on how this can be fixed?

Thanks,

Kennedy

Dave - Got a Logitech mouse (one of the inexpensive ones) and am
joyously right clicking! Thanks a bunch! Found same problems with some
of the function keys.

Bob Charles
On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:13 AM, David Phillips wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Your messages appeared this morning for me. Not sure why the delay.
>
> I also use 3rdPlanIt on a Macintosh computer, specifically the
> MacBook Pro
> with Parallels. I had problems with right clicks and especially with
> right
> clicks with the left click held down needed in some select actions.
> I ended
> up buying a Logitech mouse that makes it so easy to make the right
> clicks
> and simultaneous left and right click.
>
> Some of the 3rdPlanIt function keys don’t work as advertised. I’m
> not sure
> why and never really tried to get them to work as I just went to the
> menu
> version of the action.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dave
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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I am able to run 3rdplanit under win7 x64 version as a regular user account.
Are you using version 8 of 3pi?? Make sure you select the option to make
shortcuts available to all users when you install. Also install it under the
admin account. Randy is working on win7 compatibility issues as we speak.



From: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com [mailto:3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of colirvine
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 5:34 PM
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] Windows 7





I have in fact had a problem running the product in Windows 7, 64 bit. It
will only work if I run it as administrator. A nuisance.

John





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I have in fact had a problem running the product in Windows 7, 64 bit.  It will
only work if I run it as administrator.  A nuisance.

John

Randy just started working in windows 7 last week. Might try XP mode with
3pi for awhile on windows 7.



From: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com [mailto:3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jamerault
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:10 PM
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] System crash after inserting jpg





Hi,

Been working with 3pi for a long time. Just got a new 64 bit machine -
Windows 7 and the old file I have been working with for a year wants to
crash every time I insert a jpg. Added the same jpg in my previous machine
(XP, 32 bit) and never had a problem.

Any help is appreciated!





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Hi,

Been working with 3pi for a long time.  Just got a new 64 bit machine - Windows
7 and the old file I have been working with for a year wants to crash every time
I insert a jpg.  Added the same jpg in my previous machine (XP, 32 bit) and
never had a problem.

Any help is appreciated!

Dave - Thanks a bunch! I may give the Logitech mouse a try.

Bob Charles
On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:13 AM, David Phillips wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Your messages appeared this morning for me. Not sure why the delay.
>
> I also use 3rdPlanIt on a Macintosh computer, specifically the
> MacBook Pro
> with Parallels. I had problems with right clicks and especially with
> right
> clicks with the left click held down needed in some select actions.
> I ended
> up buying a Logitech mouse that makes it so easy to make the right
> clicks
> and simultaneous left and right click.
>
> Some of the 3rdPlanIt function keys don’t work as advertised. I’m
> not sure
> why and never really tried to get them to work as I just went to the
> menu
> version of the action.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dave
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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The delay was entirely my fault.  I was offline for a few days.





David Simmons

[3rdPlanIt] Owner/Moderator



From: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com [mailto:3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charles.robert40
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:38 AM
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] Messages





I am a new member and have sent a message dealing with Apple use of
3rdPlanit to be posted about a week ago. It has not been posted. Perhaps I
am not sending properly or it simply has not been posted yet. The latest
message I see posted is 10 November about 'Library bar.' Please send
response to deerfeathers@... <mailto:deerfeathers%40wbaccess.net> .
Thanks!

Bob Charles





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Hi Bob,

Your messages appeared this morning for me. Not sure why the delay.

I also use 3rdPlanIt on a Macintosh computer, specifically the MacBook Pro
with Parallels. I had problems with right clicks and especially with right
clicks with the left click held down needed in some select actions. I ended
up buying a Logitech mouse that makes it so easy to make the right clicks
and simultaneous left and right click.

Some of the 3rdPlanIt function keys don¹t work as advertised. I¹m not sure
why and never really tried to get them to work as I just went to the menu
version of the action.

Good luck!

Dave


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I am a new member and have sent a message dealing with Apple use of 3rdPlanit to
be posted about a week ago. It has not been posted. Perhaps I am not sending
properly or it simply has not been posted yet. The latest message I see posted
is 10 November about 'Library bar.'  Please send response to
deerfeathers@.... Thanks!

Bob Charles

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Hope this is a simple question(!) Just getting started with 3pl. I use an IMac
(Leopard) with parallels and Windows XP. I cannot get the right click option to
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option to activate (and deactivate) the layer. The second figure on page 69
shows a submenu that I cannot get to appear. Can't get this to work with space
bar as suggested in the front of the manual. The space bar seems to work
elsewhere (like in laying track). Any suggestions? Thanks!

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two problems:

I was having trouble within the library bar not being able to use a selected
piece of track (not being able to place it into the drawing area nor able to use
with connect tool).

I switched the presentation within the library bar from file explorer type to
category.  Now I can't switch back.  What's the magic word to bring back
explorer version?

Open the source library file and make sure the file is set to the units/scale
that you want to use. Save it as your own filename and play with that file
instead of the original.


-----Original Message-----
From: conant144 <conant144@...>
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:20 am
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] rolling stock






Hi folks,

Ive been using 3rdPlanIt for about 6 months for layout design and am at the
point where I'd like to check out the trackplan by running trains over it.

I model in Sn3 so have had to create the appropriate rolling stock. This isn't a
big deal except that when I save a design to the library and subsequently place
it on the trackplan the rolling stock gets scaled upward. For example, a boxcar
design with a width of 1 11/32", when copied from the library onto the
trackplan, becomes 1 13/16" wide. Interestingly, the ratio of widths, (1 13/16")
/ (1 11/32) = 1.349, is about the same as the ratio between S scale and HO (87 /
64 = 1.359) so I'm wondering if there's some scaling parameter that I've
inadvertently set.

Under Files, Settings, Units the Model Scale is set as 1:64 for S scale and the
Rescale Copied Objects box is not checked. However, checking that box doesn't
fix the problem I'm having.

The problem seems to be in transfering rolling stock to/from the library because
if I design a piece of rolling stock on the layout, copy that piece several
times, leave them scattered about the layout drawing, and then move them onto
the track as needed, or if I close and reopen the drawing file, no scaling takes
place and things work as anticipated.

Any ideas on what I'm doing incorrectly?

Thanks!

Jay Conant







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Hi folks,

Ive been using 3rdPlanIt for about 6 months for layout design and am at the
point where I'd like to check out the trackplan by running trains over it.

I model in Sn3 so have had to create the appropriate rolling stock.  This isn't
a big deal except that when I save a design to the library and subsequently
place it on the trackplan the rolling stock gets scaled upward.  For example, a
boxcar design with a width of 1 11/32", when copied from the library onto the
trackplan, becomes 1 13/16" wide.  Interestingly, the ratio of widths, (1
13/16") / (1 11/32) = 1.349, is about the same as the ratio  between S scale and
HO (87 / 64 = 1.359) so I'm wondering if there's some scaling parameter that
I've inadvertently set.

Under Files, Settings, Units the Model Scale is set as 1:64 for S scale and the
Rescale Copied Objects box is not checked.  However, checking that box doesn't
fix the problem I'm having.

The problem seems to be in transfering rolling stock to/from the library because
if I design a piece of rolling stock on the layout, copy that piece several
times, leave them scattered about the layout drawing, and then move them onto
the track as needed, or if I close and reopen the drawing file, no scaling takes
place and things work as anticipated.

Any ideas on what I'm doing incorrectly?

Thanks!

Jay Conant

> What kind of video card do you have?? Try updating the drivers for the video
card.

I have two laptops I have tried this on, one is a Dell M4400 running Vista
Ultimate 64 bit on a Quad Core CPU the other is a Dell Inspiron running 32 bit
Vista Home edition on an AMD 64 Turion CPU.  Both are using the built in NVidia
video.  All my drivers and software is up to date.

I discovered the work around when I was making sure I had placed the terrain on
the correct layer.  I hid the terrain layer and noted that the terrain mesh
disappeared and only the track (main) layer was displayed.  When I re-displayed
the terrain layer it started rendering both correctly.

Don't know if this means anything but I notice a lot of flicker as I move the
mouse of the combined terrain and track layers as the display is re-drawn.  I am
not dragging anything just moving the mouse.

David

What kind of video card do you have?? Try updating the drivers for the video
card.


-----Original Message-----
From: dcabrames <dcabrames@...>
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] Re: Having Layer problem with Demo version






> Be sure your track layer is positioned above the mesh layer in the stack.
Enable layers (Ctrl D) use the up or down arrows on the top left of the window

I did and that did not seem to have any effect. I tried it again and found that
if I hide the terrain layer and then display it again then it works.

David







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> Be sure your track layer is positioned above the mesh layer in the stack.
Enable layers (Ctrl D) use the up or down arrows on the top left of the window

I did and that did not seem to have any effect.  I tried it again and found that
if I hide the terrain layer and then display it again then it works.

David

Hi,
I was trying to find a track plan for the Enfield & Ohio N scale project
railroad MR ran from Decmber 1966-May 1967.
Could anyone help?
Thanks.
Doug vV

I don't think software could generate benchwork because there are too
many variables.  3pi could have some labor saving additions with
regard to benchwork, but it is pretty good.  It will cut risers to the
proper length, which was actually the hardest step when I first drew
benchwork.

What is more interesting to me is the fact that you can use the
techniques for making benchwork to make any kind of model.  You can
use 3pi to make templates for scratch building rolling stock and
structures.  I think it is a lot like building a model to draw one in
3pi.

Ken

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:20:39 -0500, you wrote:

>I don't believe any of the model rr cad programs would generate the benchwork
for you.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rich <shadraq@...>
>To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:38 am
>Subject: [3rdPlanIt] Regarding the benchwork
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The soft ware does not generate the benchwork. You will have to do that also
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I don't believe any of the model rr cad programs would generate the benchwork
for you.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich <shadraq@...>
To: 3rdPlanIt@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:38 am
Subject: [3rdPlanIt] Regarding the benchwork






The soft ware does not generate the benchwork. You will have to do that also

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The soft ware does not generate the benchwork. You will have to do that also

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Be sure your track layer is positioned above the mesh layer in the stack. Enable
layers (Ctrl D) use the up or down arrows on the top left of the window

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