Hi, I never worked with type of clay. are there any tutorials? pauline



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> My only problem with this method is it seems that the legs would
inevitably become too thick becuase there is no room for sculpting
over the outlines?

I've already considered this for the horse sculpt. The sheets I use
are one mm thick so this problem could occur. So what I've done is
that I've rounded the edges so the material thickness doesn't get in
the way. In some places where I really want to add putty on the
outlines I've made the outline smaller. In that way I can still
follow the shape and add putty on the outside.

By the way, this would not work on the legs of a real thin-legged
creature like a deer. Then you'd probably have to go for a wire
armature. At least for the legs.

The Daeodon looks like it's off to a good start. Can I post the links
over at modelsculpt.ru? They should be interested in seeing what you
are doing.

Bye, Ming-Hua

> i can write up the description if you wish...i will create some kind
of paragraph desription of the character like you have done for the
past vip assignments...

That sounds fine. Go for a humanoid I'd say.

Ok, VIP 12 proposal is a sculpt based on a description. Group question:
how do you like the idea and are you joining in? I am.

Bye, Ming-Hua

I'm in, I need all the practice I can get *lol*

Working from a description sounds like fun too, if I can get it nailed
it'd help me out as I can't draw anything, let alone a concept sketch!

Cheers,

Rik

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
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>
> Ok, VIP 12 proposal is a sculpt based on a description. Group
question:
> how do you like the idea and are you joining in? I am.
>
> Bye, Ming-Hua
>

Am in,

i too cant draw so i like the idea of working from a concept


Darkmessiah

Hello Pauline,

Check out the FAQ in the files section, there is a part on the
different putties.


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> Hi, I never worked with type of clay. are there any tutorials? pauline
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> i too cant draw so i like the idea of working from a concept

Another suggestion, castlegardener makes a description. Somebody (me?)
makes a concept drawing. The later is posted in the files section and
participants can choose whether they will only go for the description
or the drawings (which will be concept sketches - don't expect a full
drawing :) ).

Is a fantasy figure ok for you people?

Bye, Ming-Hua

Sounds good, that way people can draw from both the sketch and the
description, allowing for some 'artistic expression'

Darkmessiah

Sound good to me.

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
>
> > i too cant draw so i like the idea of working from a concept
>
> Another suggestion, castlegardener makes a description. Somebody
(me?)
> makes a concept drawing. The later is posted in the files section and
> participants can choose whether they will only go for the description
> or the drawings (which will be concept sketches - don't expect a full
> drawing :) ).
>
> Is a fantasy figure ok for you people?
>
> Bye, Ming-Hua
>

Sounds cool! I'd prefer a historical figure but thats just me, I only sculpt
historical for the most part. I guess fantasy would be an inteesting change from
all the 15h century Serbs.

phoenixbleue <pascale_roujou@...> wrote:                                 
Sound good to me.

  --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
  >
  > > i too cant draw so i like the idea of working from a concept
  >
  > Another suggestion, castlegardener makes a description. Somebody
  (me?)
  > makes a concept drawing. The later is posted in the files section and
  > participants can choose whether they will only go for the description
  > or the drawings (which will be concept sketches - don't expect a full
  > drawing :) ).
  >
  > Is a fantasy figure ok for you people?
  >
  > Bye, Ming-Hua
  >






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Sounds cool! I'd prefer a historical figure but thats just me, I only sculpt
historical for the most part. I guess fantasy would be an interesting change
from all the 15h century Serbs.

phoenixbleue <pascale_roujou@...> wrote:                                 
Sound good to me.

  --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
  >
  > > i too cant draw so i like the idea of working from a concept
  >
  > Another suggestion, castlegardener makes a description. Somebody
  (me?)
  > makes a concept drawing. The later is posted in the files section and
  > participants can choose whether they will only go for the description
  > or the drawings (which will be concept sketches - don't expect a full
  > drawing :) ).
  >
  > Is a fantasy figure ok for you people?
  >
  > Bye, Ming-Hua
  >






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ok...I'm in...lol!
   oHIo linda



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Fantasy or historical suits me, I'll be challenged either way *lol

I've not seen the list move this fast in ages!!

Cheers,

Rik

ok...from the looks of things, everyone wants to try to sculpt from a
descriptive paragraph i will write up... i will make it a fantasy
humanoid figure...let me know when everyone is ready and i will get
the description done...i will wait just a bit longer to ensure all the
discussion is finished...

I'm still determined to get my VIP 10 and 11 pieces done :) If I can
stop with the 12 hour  days at work maybe I can throw in on this one and
finish the others. I kinda think that doing the project without a
concept drawing might be neater because it we could really see
everyone's interpretation of the description, whereas a concept drawing
to go off of would add a lot more direction.

-Dan

castlegardener wrote:

> ok...from the looks of things, everyone wants to try to sculpt from a
> descriptive paragraph i will write up... i will make it a fantasy
> humanoid figure...let me know when everyone is ready and i will get
> the description done...i will wait just a bit longer to ensure all the
> discussion is finished...
>
>

I would rather see pictures. Pauline

Original Message:
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From: castlegardener castlegardener@...
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:17:00 -0000
To: 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [1listSculpting] Re: vip 12


i can write up the description if you wish...i will create some kind
of paragraph desription of the character like you have done for the
past vip assignments...



--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
>
> > i am ok with the animal theme, but also think a common theme is
also
> > a good idea...i vote for both...a pretty wide open animal theme,
and
> > then some figure description and everyone does their version of
it...
>
> Well, waht we can do is to keep the animal thing as an open theme
and
> do the common theme for the VIP. I would then create a section in
the
> photo-section of 1listsculpting for animal sculpts and separatly
one
> for VIP 12.
>
> What I (or somebody) can do for the common theme is to whip up a
> description (like I've done for some participants in the horror
VIP and
> others) so we can use that. How many of you would be interested in
> this? It will give more freedom in design than a sketch.
>
> Bye, Ming-Hua
>




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>...let me know when everyone is ready and i will get the description
done...i will wait just a bit longer to ensure all the discussion is
finished...

Since we have a fair bit of momentum, can you work on the description
this weekend and then send it to me so I can work on the sketch
(unless there iss another volunteer for that)?

Bye, Ming-Hua

There are also some links to head sculpt tutorials in the references
list in the files section.

Here is another one by Alan Ball
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-735639660471219955
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-506810432849215361
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8992396074302074405&hl=en
75mm and a different technique than in GS though.

Bye, Ming-Hua

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
>
> > My only problem with this method is it seems that the legs would
> inevitably become too thick becuase there is no room for sculpting
> over the outlines?

That's where the corrections come in. ;)  Also, one of the reasons I
like apoxie sculpt.  Most parts are at least 50% apoxie.  A knife and
a file and that should whittle down with few problems.

> So what I've done is
> that I've rounded the edges so the material thickness doesn't get
in
> the way.

Ditto.

> By the way, this would not work on the legs of a real thin-legged
> creature like a deer. Then you'd probably have to go for a wire
> armature. At least for the legs.

I'd considered something like this: breaking off the lower, thinner
parts to leave bare wire as a 'standard' armature, both as a remedy
for this leg problem and a possible adaptation for further
armatures.  Then they broke off anyway when I squeezed too hard with
pliers, trying to push the wire into the cork. :P  No huge setback.

> The Daeodon looks like it's off to a good start. Can I post the
links
> over at modelsculpt.ru? They should be interested in seeing what
you
> are doing.
>
> Bye, Ming-Hua

Sure!  If you (and they) think it's interesting enough.

Warren B.

hummm yeah ! I would like to have a face sculpture class.

hehe :)

Simon
--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to suggest one more restriction, or actually a series of
> exercises. How about doing a male head for the first exercise, a
> female for the second and perhaps a child's for the third. Or one of
> the fantasy races.
>
> By the way, I'm attending a face sculpting course by Werner Klocke on
> the 24th so I may add some more details after that.
>
> Bye,
> Ming-Hua
>

i will email you the description before this weekend...possibly even
later today... i will send it to you offlist so you can prepare the
sketch...


--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
>
> >...let me know when everyone is ready and i will get the
description
> done...i will wait just a bit longer to ensure all the discussion is
> finished...
>
> Since we have a fair bit of momentum, can you work on the
description
> this weekend and then send it to me so I can work on the sketch
> (unless there iss another volunteer for that)?
>
> Bye, Ming-Hua
>

cool videos, interesting to see a technique were u remove material
rather than add it. wot was the material he was using?

Darkmessiah

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sweet! I look forwards to it.

castlegardener <castlegardener@...> wrote:
i will email you the description before this weekend...possibly even
  later today... i will send it to you offlist so you can prepare the
  sketch...

  --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Ming-Hua" <mhckao@...> wrote:
  >
  > >...let me know when everyone is ready and i will get the
  description
  > done...i will wait just a bit longer to ensure all the discussion is
  > finished...
  >
  > Since we have a fair bit of momentum, can you work on the
  description
  > this weekend and then send it to me so I can work on the sketch
  > (unless there iss another volunteer for that)?
  >
  > Bye, Ming-Hua
  >






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ok everyone, i have sent ming the description of the new character for
vip 12...i will let him look over it, approve or change it, and work
on his sketch before i mention any clues...so just wanted everyone to
know that we are still pushing forward on this...

> ok everyone, i have sent ming the description of the new character
for
> vip 12...i will let him look over it, approve or change it, and work
> on his sketch before i mention any clues...so just wanted everyone to
> know that we are still pushing forward on this...
>


cool, sounds good and thanks

Darkmessiah

Anyone have a tutorial on sculpting feathers... single feathers not
wings... (head dresses and the likes)



--Thomas



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Theres some brief mention of it here and there but its really pretty easy. I
assume the feathers will be free standing, in this case, but out an armature
shape from an extremely thin sheet of brass with tin snips, and sink it into the
head or the base of the headdress, wherever it will be attached to the model. A
dab of superglue may help as its likely to be small and fiddly. Then mix up some
green, preferably I blue-heavy mix, and apply it in a thin layer around the
brass and form it into the shape of the feather. Then using a very sharp Xacto
knife (sharpen it before cutting if its a very small feather) cut a vertical ine
in the feather, then on either side of it cut numerous little horizontal lines
such that the feather looks to be covered in many V's on top of each other, with
a line running down the center. Look at pics of real feathers if this
description is unclear. Its  a bit fiddly, but with a few tries it should be no
trouble at all, I use this method for
  fletching and it looks pretty decent. Try a few off the model and then you'll
be good to go.

Hope thats of some help

"Sexton, Thomas" <tsexton@...> wrote:                                 
Anyone have a tutorial on sculpting feathers... single feathers not
  wings... (head dresses and the likes)

  --Thomas

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Hi Thomas,

look at this scuplting-tutorial:

http://www.miez.nl/putty-n-paint/tutes/sculpting_tut01.pdf

on page 26 you´ll find an instruction about sculpting single feathers.

Gerhard



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wrote:
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> Anyone have a tutorial on sculpting feathers... single feathers not
> wings... (head dresses and the likes)
>
>
>
> --Thomas
>
>
>
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> ok everyone, i have sent ming the description of the new character
for
> vip 12...i will let him look over it, approve or change it, and work
> on his sketch before i mention any clues...so just wanted everyone to
> know that we are still pushing forward on this...

Ok, thanks. I'll see to it when I'm home (can't access that mail from
work).

Bye, Ming-Hua