Hello, For years I always did the head first but after reading the advice of
various other sculptors on this site I decide to change my mehtods and it really
is easier to get the final proportions right by doing the legs and body first.
It is far easier to see if the head is o.k. when it is matched to a torso..Tony
Aldrich
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   From: DANA of MiniatureART
   To: 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
   Subject: [1listSculpting] Backwards Sculpting


   Greetings everyone!  I have a rather silly question...

   (let me give you some background...I teach miniature doll costuming for a
   living click here to see what my style is like www.MiniatureArt.com ...but
   decided this month to move up to sculpting AND costuming...and after a
   couple weeks efforts...I'd rather scrub toilets BUT know I have to do this
   and its a matter of principle now <G> hahah)

   So the question of the day is... does anyone EVER sculpt the whole body and
   do the head last?  I seriously can do ok torsos (for a newbie) etc but when
   it comes to the head, I can't *see* it unless there is a body to attach it
   to and sculpt it by.  Does this make sense?

   I've been researching, joining, buying sculpting books all month..and they
   all say do the head first, because you can judge the like 1/2 head for chin
   length etc etc or whatever...but thats just CONFUSING to me personally.
   When I dress my dolls, I work from the inside out, and the bottom up
   (literally do the shoes, the pantaloons, petticoats, skirt, bodice, jewelry
   and wigging)....

   So is this something I can be good at (i.e. sculpting torso first) ,... or
   do I have to grit my teeth and do the head first?

   Confused but trying <G> ... and all my bathrooms are CLEAN! ahahah ha

   DANA



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"Oh, mana thiz iz gooda worka"  - said old orc.
"YEZ fathzer, foznig ... suberbz" - said the yong one.
"Lez uz go hunta some humanz befora thiz ugla Corteaz wil killa uz"
- suggested the old green one.

"Beautiful" - said week human.

Regards,
Hubert.




>
> --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "tuekaae2003"
<father_nurgle@p...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there. I've been lurking around for some time by now and I
thought
> > that it might be time to get out of the dark shadows now.
> > In short, I'm very much into the gaming models produced by Games
> > Workshop and currently I'm trying to get a job as a trainee
miniature
> > designer at their HQ in nottingham.
> >
> > just to show you some of my work here's my two most recent
pieces of
> > work. A resculpt of Games workshop designer Juan Diaz's Corteaz
> > model. A re-sculpt is one of the things they ask for at Games
> > workshop for applicants for a trainee position.
> >
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz1.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz2.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz3.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz4.jpg
> >
> > and the original model:
> > http://perso.club-
> > internet.fr/heweb/wargames/gday2003/gdayvrac/goldvrac18.gif
> >
> > and a 54mm female gunslinger based upon lara croft and the dark
> > gothic feel of Games workshops sci-fi world.
> >
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-1.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-2.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-3.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-4.jpg
> > http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-5.jpg
> >
> > comments, corrections and reviews is of course more than welcome
but
> > please bear in mind that the models are over exagerated just as
the
> > rest of Games Workshops model range
> >
> > ps. I'm sorry about the poor picture quality

Those are truely gorgeous sculpts.

You might want to try to contact Rackham also (those who make
Confrontation the game). Not long ago, they where looking for 5 new
sculptors.

Good luck,

Cedric

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "tuekaae2003"
<father_nurgle@p...> wrote:
>
> Hi there. I've been lurking around for some time by now and I
thought
> that it might be time to get out of the dark shadows now.
> In short, I'm very much into the gaming models produced by Games
> Workshop and currently I'm trying to get a job as a trainee
miniature
> designer at their HQ in nottingham.
>
> just to show you some of my work here's my two most recent pieces
of
> work. A resculpt of Games workshop designer Juan Diaz's Corteaz
> model. A re-sculpt is one of the things they ask for at Games
> workshop for applicants for a trainee position.
>
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz1.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz2.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz3.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Re-cort/corteaz4.jpg
>
> and the original model:
> http://perso.club-
> internet.fr/heweb/wargames/gday2003/gdayvrac/goldvrac18.gif
>
> and a 54mm female gunslinger based upon lara croft and the dark
> gothic feel of Games workshops sci-fi world.
>
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-1.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-2.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-3.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-4.jpg
> http://www.anime.dk/gallery/Peter%20Bitch/desperado-5.jpg
>
> comments, corrections and reviews is of course more than welcome
but
> please bear in mind that the models are over exagerated just as the
> rest of Games Workshops model range
>
> ps. I'm sorry about the poor picture quality

> Hey all!
>
> I'm recovering from last week's trip to GenCon and finally got the web
page
> updated. If you've got a few brain cells to kill, hop on over to the news
page and
> take a gander. There's also a small photo album of the surviving pics that
> weren't too blurry or too dark.
>
> http://www.morgankeithstudios.com/news.html
>

LOL It is confusing enough to refer to me as a 'Legend', but when you put my
name beside Sandy Garrity's then I KNOW your talking about someone else! ;-)
It was great to meet you too.

Drew

Oh Drew, you're too modest!  Heehee!  It was wonderful meeting you
at GenCon Indy - hope to see you again soon!

Rebecca
http://www.rebas-art.com

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Williams"
<drew.r.williams@v...> wrote:
>
> > Hey all!
> >
> > I'm recovering from last week's trip to GenCon and finally got
the web
> page
> > updated. If you've got a few brain cells to kill, hop on over to
the news
> page and
> > take a gander. There's also a small photo album of the surviving
pics that
> > weren't too blurry or too dark.
> >
> > http://www.morgankeithstudios.com/news.html
> >
>
> LOL It is confusing enough to refer to me as a 'Legend', but when
you put my
> name beside Sandy Garrity's then I KNOW your talking about someone
else! ;-)
> It was great to meet you too.
>
> Drew

Hi all,

And yet another miniature. Probably my last for a while for I put a
little too much time and try and try again in this last figure. I
think there isn't a part I haven't atleast done twice and I used at
least 4 mini's worth of putty trying. So I've quite had it for a
little while (probably ;-)But I'm quite happy with the result. Back
to the drawing table for me the next weeks, been neglecting my
drawing completely due to the mini-rage that had come over me ;-).
And as always here is the link to the folder it's in:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/Cindy_stuff/AnubisF
igure/

Cindy

Wow Cindy!  These are beautiful!  I especially love your frog
guy..Anubis is really nicely done.  Lots of movement and flow in
your work.

Rebecca
http://www.rebas-art.com

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy Dukino" <cdukino@h...>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> And yet another miniature. Probably my last for a while for I put
a
> little too much time and try and try again in this last figure. I
> think there isn't a part I haven't atleast done twice and I used
at
> least 4 mini's worth of putty trying. So I've quite had it for a
> little while (probably ;-)But I'm quite happy with the result.
Back
> to the drawing table for me the next weeks, been neglecting my
> drawing completely due to the mini-rage that had come over me ;-).
> And as always here is the link to the folder it's in:
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/Cindy_stuff/Anubis
F
> igure/
>
> Cindy

Very nice, esp the head and feet are well done I think.  The weapon
also.  The shield edges is abit rough I think but the emblem on it
is good.

I understand how fustrating it is to work over certain parts.  My
WIP at the moment is a goblin which I started 2-3 months ago.  The
head/face I have done more than 10 times and still I can't get it
right >:(

Kai Teck

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy Dukino" <cdukino@h...>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> And yet another miniature.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/Cindy_stuff/Anubis
F
> igure/
>
> Cindy

Yep frustrating alright. The Anubis head you see is in fact the 8th
one. It kept on looking like goofy or a kangeroo, if Egypt had a
kangaroo god I would have made it. At one point I even thought about
sticking a kangeroo tail to the figure and get it over with :-)But
since Anubis is my favorite Egyptian god ... Still the head is a tad
to big but that seems to happen more often in miniatures so I try not
to let that bother me. And perhaps one day in the future I'll do a
few tiny improvements (if I feel like it that is) but right now I
just don't see it anymore, so I'd better let it rest now I'm happy
with it.

Cindy


--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "ngkaiteck" <ngkaiteck@y...>
wrote:
> Very nice, esp the head and feet are well done I think.  The weapon
> also.  The shield edges is abit rough I think but the emblem on it
> is good.
>
> I understand how fustrating it is to work over certain parts.  My
> WIP at the moment is a goblin which I started 2-3 months ago.  The
> head/face I have done more than 10 times and still I can't get it
> right >:(
>
> Kai Teck
>

Old Chaos Ungors from GW...





Robert Sakaluk <rob_jedi@...>
31/07/2003 12:20 a.m.
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         Subject:        [1listSculpting] Re: Anyone knows pictures of sculpted
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mini's?



Subject: Re: Anyone knows pictures of sculpted (male) dryad mini's?


> hem, dryads are forest nymphs and I thought that nymphs were
> necesserly females? (could be wrong though).


If I remember greek mythology correctly the male counterpart to nymphs
were pan. You know the flute playing goat legged, horned swarthy
individuals. Quite popular with the ladies. I'm sure there are some minis
that fit the description, just can't think of any current ones.


Robert Sakaluk
Sydney
Oz
Terra
Sol


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Thank you. I've visited your gallery and all I can say is straight
back at ya. They are gorgeous as well, both the drawings and
sculptures. I really like Noni the Wood Elf, but I also love the
little guy holding the dragon for the september the 11th fund raising
piece.

Cindy


--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca" <goddessartist@y...>
wrote:
> Wow Cindy!  These are beautiful!  I especially love your frog
> guy..Anubis is really nicely done.  Lots of movement and flow in
> your work.
>
> Rebecca
> http://www.rebas-art.com
>
> --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy Dukino"
<cdukino@h...>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > And yet another miniature. Probably my last for a while for I put
> a
> > little too much time and try and try again in this last figure. I
> > think there isn't a part I haven't atleast done twice and I used
> at
> > least 4 mini's worth of putty trying. So I've quite had it for a
> > little while (probably ;-)But I'm quite happy with the result.
> Back
> > to the drawing table for me the next weeks, been neglecting my
> > drawing completely due to the mini-rage that had come over me ;-).
> > And as always here is the link to the folder it's in:
> >
> >
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/Cindy_stuff/Anubis
> F
> > igure/
> >
> > Cindy

QUOTE

"The number of heads that make the total height of a miniature is 5 1/2 to
6 heads
and that is non-canon for drawing or normal sculpting"

I´ve made comparisions using diferent figs & brands, is a .ppt... How can
I post it as reference for everybody?

L

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Aren't those more pan like creatures? Let's look them up... makes new
window, looks in yahoo.. search for Chaos Ungors.... yep. Nice but
not like I had in mind. I really want a half tree, half man kind of
thing.

Cindy



--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Luis G Rodriguez"
<lrodrigu@c...> wrote:
> Old Chaos Ungors from GW...
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert Sakaluk <rob_jedi@y...>
> 31/07/2003 12:20 a.m.
> Please respond to 1listSculpting
>
>
>         To:     1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com
>         cc:
>         Subject:        [1listSculpting] Re: Anyone knows pictures
of sculpted (male) dryad
> mini's?
>

Thanks Cindy.  Such kind words...Perhaps sometime we can meet at a
con and sculpt together.  I promise everyone that someday soon I'll
image in and upload my minis to the gallery...

Don't you just love sculpting?  Silly question, I know.

Rebecca
http://www.rebas-art.com

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy Dukino" <cdukino@h...>
wrote:
> Thank you. I've visited your gallery and all I can say is straight
> back at ya. They are gorgeous as well, both the drawings and
> sculptures. I really like Noni the Wood Elf, but I also love the
> little guy holding the dragon for the september the 11th fund
raising
> piece.
>
> Cindy
>
>
> --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca"
<goddessartist@y...>
> wrote:
> > Wow Cindy!  These are beautiful!  I especially love your frog
> > guy..Anubis is really nicely done.  Lots of movement and flow in
> > your work.
> >
> > Rebecca
> > http://www.rebas-art.com
> >
> > --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy Dukino"
> <cdukino@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > And yet another miniature. Probably my last for a while for I
put
> > a
> > > little too much time and try and try again in this last figure.
I
> > > think there isn't a part I haven't atleast done twice and I
used
> > at
> > > least 4 mini's worth of putty trying. So I've quite had it for
a
> > > little while (probably ;-)But I'm quite happy with the result.
> > Back
> > > to the drawing table for me the next weeks, been neglecting my
> > > drawing completely due to the mini-rage that had come over me ;-
).
> > > And as always here is the link to the folder it's in:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/Cindy_stuff/Anubis
> > F
> > > igure/
> > >
> > > Cindy

Hi,
One of  my first mini that I have sculpt and paint is  a Pan/satyr
that can perhaps help you. Sorry it's an old figurine, so the sculpt
and the painting (and also the photo) are not terrific. I have
download the picure in  Files under Gaels minis
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/gaels%20minis/

Gael :)

Cool beans Gayle.  I love satyrs.  I have one I'll upload here soon.

Rebecca
http://www.rebas-art.com

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Gael Goumon"
<goumongael@o...> wrote:
> Hi,
> One of  my first mini that I have sculpt and paint is  a Pan/satyr
> that can perhaps help you. Sorry it's an old figurine, so the
sculpt
> and the painting (and also the photo) are not terrific. I have
> download the picure in  Files under Gaels minis
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/files/gaels%20minis/
>
> Gael :)

> yup. makes plenty of sense.  you might try to "greek" in the head first by
> making a blob the size and shape of the skull where the head belongs.  then do
> the body and either refine the skull blob or resculpt the head from scratch.

That's exactly the way I do it and it seems to work fine for me. Doing a
mock up for size and positioning and then coming back at the end for face
and clean up.
Bobby Jackson

Hi all,

I'm thinking about doing a dwarf next when the mini-fever will hit me
again. The male dryad is going into the ideas vault for now. I love
dwarves and I'm planning to draw a few for starters. But just how
tall are dwarves supposed to be in the 28 mm scale? And what are the
most used proportions between head and the rest of the body? In most
pictures the head seems to be taking up nearly a thirth of the whole
figure.

Cindy

OK, I distinctly (OK, maybe not so distinctly) remember reading that someone
here used a larger gauge wire for the armature and a soldering iron to melt 32
or 34 gauge wire into it to make it stay in shape.  I'm making a fairly large
scenery piece for my VIC piece and need a quick review of what was used for
this technique.  I'm hoping I remembered it right (I won't be wasting too much
wire if I remembered it incorrectly), but after 45 minutes searching the
archives for this info, I decided to break down and just ask.  Any help from
anyone
out there, please?

BBR - Sandi, Beadin' Up A Storm
<A HREF="http://www.beadstorm.com">Stormcloud Trading (Beadstorm)</A>
"Raining Beads onto Bead Deserts"
651/645-0343


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Hi ,
I have just download a new mini : it's a chest of a Receveur General
under the second Empire (in 200mm).I hope that you like it :).

Gael

Excellent! Very life-like.  Very severe look.  Must have been a good
general :)  The detailing is very good - all the little circles look
the same size, must have been time consuming.... The beard on the
chin looks abit unsymetric though.

good stuff!
Kai Teck

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Gael Goumon"
<goumongael@o...> wrote:
> Hi ,
> I have just download a new mini : it's a chest of a Receveur
General
> under the second Empire (in 200mm).I hope that you like it :).
>
> Gael

Very few real beards are symetrical, mine isn't!

Even the part in one's hair usually favors one side!

----- Original Message -----
From: "ngkaiteck" <ngkaiteck@...>
To: <1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:23 AM
Subject: [1listSculpting] Re: A new green


> Excellent! Very life-like.  Very severe look.  Must have been a good
> general :)  The detailing is very good - all the little circles look
> the same size, must have been time consuming.... The beard on the
> chin looks abit unsymetric though.
>
> good stuff!
> Kai Teck
>
> --- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Gael Goumon"
> <goumongael@o...> wrote:
> > Hi ,
> > I have just download a new mini : it's a chest of a Receveur
> General
> > under the second Empire (in 200mm).I hope that you like it :).
> >
> > Gael
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Hi Gael, very nice indeed, uusual to see something from the Second
Empire. Out of interest is it pure Green Stuff or have you added
something. The relief work looks really sharp.Tony Aldrich

So does anyone already make/sell 15mm armatures?

If no one makes them for sale, does anyone have any recommendations
on making them?  What material to use, what size?

I'm planning on sculpting 15mm fantasy models, then casting in
resin.

Thanks in advance.

Gael, your work is just gorgeous!

Rebecca
http://www.rebas-art.com

--- In 1listSculpting@yahoogroups.com, "Gael Goumon"
<goumongael@o...> wrote:
> Hi ,
> I have just download a new mini : it's a chest of a Receveur
General
> under the second Empire (in 200mm).I hope that you like it :).
>
> Gael

Hi,

Very nice and splendid work!

What is inside - not pure green I think ? :)

Gree'N'tings,
Hubert.

Thanks a lot at all for your comment about the receveur general :)
To answer the Tony and Rebecca question , I have made first a core in
miliput and after I have add a lays of greenstuff :)
Gael
>
>
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