Lino Maturino, who lived in San Juan del Río and became a Villista, had a
marvelous horse, the Devil himself. He could smell an enemy and would awaken the
soldiers with his snout, at the same time bringing their saddles and arms. In
battles he would dodge the bullets, look for safe places for the protection of
his master, avoid ambush, and perform miracles in escaping the face of defeat.

In the temporary encampments, he would hunt for chickens, steal eggs, round up
the horses, and push open the doors of the huts of the women who made the
tortillas and provided food.

When a certain Carrancista officer heard about the stupendous qualities of the
horse, he tried to secure it for himself, sending a message to the owner that he
would give him any horse he wanted in exchange and fifty pesos in cash. But his
messenger failed to induce the owner to part with it. When he died, the
devil-horse went to another Villista, who made a present of it to Pancho Villa.
And that was the horse that Villa preferred to ride ever after.

Villa was always generous with his men. When he was in good humor and felt like
talking, he would gather around him those he liked best, and give them advice,
"Always consider yourselves great; never permit anyone to humiliate you. When
you are provoked, defend yourselves. Fight for justice and be men!"

In the Nahuatl-speaking town of San Cristóbal Las Casa there lived a man and his
wife. The woman was a witch and she was deceiving her husband. It was her custom
to say some magic words that made the flesh drop from her bones, leaving nothing
but the skeleton. Then she would sprout wings, and the skeleton would go out
flying through the air. In this shape she would go out every night and frighten
people out at late hours.

When her husband found out she was deceiving him and that her skeleton went out
every night, he decided to punish her.  One night he lay awake in bed,
pretending he was asleep. He heard noises as his wife got out of bed and went
out into the street. He got up too and followed her.

Hiding in the shadows he saw how the flesh dropped from his wife{s bones and how
wings sprouted from her skeleton. Then he saw her fly away, making a noise like
bones falling apart. When he got over his fright, he went where the flesh was,
and he chopped it up into bits with his machete. Then he sprinkled salt over it
so it would die. Then he went back and hid in a corner and waited for the
skeleton to return.

When this took place the skeleton stood before the flesh and said the words to
make it come back in place. But the flesh did not obey because it was dead. The
despairing skeleton flew away.  Many are the people who see this being flying
through the air at night, and they say it announces somebody{s death.

A little girl went to the country with her parents, and on the road they met a
young woman named Sabina who very affectionately picked up the child, kissed
her, and played with her. A few minutes later the child, who had been perfectly
well, began to have symptoms of fever and melancholy; she started crying until
she lay exhausted in her mother's arms.

The mother said to her older daughter, "Go quick and call Doña Alejandra,
because the child is suffering from mal de ojo." The girl did so, and that
afternoon the healer arrived. But earlier, she had already told the girl who
went to call her to have the following things ready: rosemary, rue, Saint John's
Wort, lavender, yerbanis, laurel, and a brazier with fire.

When she got there she undressed the little girl, made a cross with lime on the
floor, set the brazier no it, and threw the herbs into the fire. She passed the
child several times through the smoke, making the sign of the cross, and saying:
"Saint Michael! Saint Raphael! Saint Gabriel! Saint Raphael! I command you
remove the ill this child is suffering from." She would also pass the child over
the cross. Then she wiped her from head to foot with an egg. She broke the egg
and put it at the head of the sick child's bed, along with a cross made of
straws placed over the yoke.

Nest day, the herbs used for the fumigation, as well as the egg, were thrown
away very far from the house. The person who did so was warned not to look back
for any reason toward the spot where these things were left. The child got well.

hey everyone,

im new to this group lol...

anyways.

i prayed and lit a candle to St. Anthony and asked if he would help my grandma
find something she had lost for over two weeks.

About 10 minutes after i prayed and petitioned St. Anthony, her item was found
=]]

so, i was wondering, what are some traditional offerings i may give St. Anthony
as a thank you?

i have read that bread is giving to him, so i offered some bread to him.

but i want to know if theres anything else i may do?

Hello everyone,

I just want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!

Hope you have a good one!

Bendiciones,
Vero

Catherine,

Bryant passed away earlier this year. While a few of us know some of his
contacts, I've never met Paty. Maybe Concha or someone else knows her?
She lives outside of Ojinaga- you might also try contacting the reporter
who interviewed her for the documentary.

Con respeto,
Jesse

(And Bryant, I miss you, friend!)




catherinemanzanare@... wrote:
>
> Bryant:
>
> I just came across the attached posting and would like to know if you
> have information on how & where I can contact Paty Zacarias.
>
> Thank yoU!
> catherine
>
> --- In 1curanderismo@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:1curanderismo%40yahoogroups.com>, "E Bryant Holman"
> <bryanth@...> wrote:
> >
> > <<OK. After sleeping it over I have decided to leave this club.
> "Ojos que no ven, corazón que no siente"
> >
> > Martha >>
> >
> > OK. I am sorry to hear that. We can't make everyone happy, I
> suppose. I just wish people would not feel they have to take parting
> shots.
> >
> > ******************
> >
> > I just went to see Paty Zacarias today (
> http://ojinaga.com/curandera <http://ojinaga.com/curandera> ) and
> visited her for quite a while. She is really amazing. Here are a
> couple of things about her. All I have to do is give her a person's
> name, so that she writes it down on a piece of paper, and she can tell
> me practically everything about them. Now, I will not tell everyone
> here what this is all about, because it involves someone whom I would
> have to ask her permission before I mentioned all of the details, and
> even if there were some agreement to do so, it probably would not be
> convenient to do so anyway. Anyway, I'm sorry but all I can do is just
> say that there is a lot about this that I can't talk about.
> >
> > It is apparant that some curanderos and curanderas do not travel in
> their spirits to other locations. Rather, they rely on spirits to do
> that for them, and report back to them. Others go to other locations
> themselves. Paty goes to the location herself, and performs several
> important acts.
> >
> > In the first place, within curanderismo, there is a concept, at
> least the way the Indians describe it, and I expect that Mexicans do
> the same thing, because it is described quite clearly in the prayers
> to the Santisima Muerte, wherein one can influence the soul of a
> person and thereby control that person without the persons being aware
> of that. Mexicans talk about two "souls" - the "sombra" (shadow) and
> the "alma" (soul). The "shadow" is the "ghost". There is a rather
> nebulous concept of separating or distinguishing one of these from the
> other in some contexts, and not doing so in others, apparantly. This
> is something I intend to look into further.
> >
> > Now, supposing that a bruja has put a spell on John. His wife or
> girl friend, Jane, comes to Paty, and all she knows is that they were
> happy together, when suddenly John left Jane for Sally there, who is
> older and not as good looking as Jane, and on top of that, she is
> rather, shall we say, uncharismatic. The whole thing makes no sense to
> anyone, not even to John, but he can't seem to wake up and smell the
> coffee. So, Paty writes John's name down on a piece of paper, and she
> sees Sally now, in her mind's eye, and John also, and she immediately
> sees the whole situation. Sally has hired a bruja (who may not
> necessarily be a Mexican, she might be a Cuban santera, or a root
> worker, or a seemingly new age type who is actually using spells for
> grimoires) to perform this, but it is not something that she does one
> time and it is a done deal. She has to keep the work in effect
> constantly, and she is doing it with one of the favored methods,
> "velando" (burning a candle). "Está velando su foto," she announces.
> She has a picture of him, and she has it under a votive candle on her
> altar, burning constantly, and when it goes out, she lights another
> one. Sally has to keep paying her to do this. The day she stops
> paying, the bruja takes it off of her altar, John calls Jane up and
> tells her he wants to get back together, and Sally is single again.
> >
> > So, Paty puts a candle on her own altar, or a glass of water with
> John's name on a piece of paper under it, and late and night, when
> everyone is asleep, she pays them a little visit. She goes into John's
> mind and puts the idea in his soul (sombra) that he loves Jane, he
> always has, and he always will, and that he needs to get rid of Sally.
> Then, she goes over to the bruja's house, and she turns John's picture
> over, so that the spell is broken. She also has Jane perform a few
> rituals herself, complete with prayers, and what is most critical is
> Jane's faith that this will work. What enforces Jane's faith is the
> clear fact that Paty has divined everything without being told, or
> without ever having met any of these people, which would be impossible
> anyway, as they are hundreds of miles away.
> >
> > Okay, I am not going to say much else about this, but I am writing
> this simply because I wanted everyone to see a few details, sort of up
> close and personal, about how a real curandera works.
> >
> > Bryant
> >
>
>

Bryant:

I just came across the attached posting and would like to know if you have
information on how & where I can contact Paty Zacarias.


Thank yoU!
catherine

--- In 1curanderismo@yahoogroups.com, "E Bryant Holman" <bryanth@...> wrote:
>
> <<OK. After sleeping it over I have decided to leave this club. "Ojos que no
ven, corazón que no siente"
>
> Martha >>
>
> OK. I am sorry to hear that. We can't make everyone happy, I suppose. I just
wish people would not feel they have to take parting shots.
>
> ******************
>
> I just went to see Paty Zacarias today ( http://ojinaga.com/curandera ) and
visited her for quite a while. She is really amazing. Here are a couple of
things about her. All I have to do is give her a person's name, so that she
writes it down on a piece of paper, and she can tell me practically everything
about them. Now, I will not tell everyone here what this is all about, because
it involves someone whom I would have to ask her permission before I mentioned
all of the details, and even if there were some agreement to do so, it probably
would not be convenient to do so anyway. Anyway, I'm sorry but all I can do is
just say that there is a lot about this that I can't talk about.
>
> It is apparant that some curanderos and curanderas do not travel in their
spirits to other locations. Rather, they rely on spirits to do that for them,
and report back to them. Others go to other locations themselves. Paty goes to
the location herself, and performs several important acts.
>
> In the first place, within curanderismo, there is a concept, at least the way
the Indians describe it, and I expect that Mexicans do the same thing, because
it is described quite clearly in the prayers to the Santisima Muerte, wherein
one can influence the soul of a person and thereby control that person without
the persons being aware of that. Mexicans talk about two "souls" - the "sombra"
(shadow) and the "alma" (soul). The "shadow" is the "ghost". There is a rather
nebulous concept of separating or distinguishing one of these from the other in
some contexts, and not doing so in others, apparantly. This is something I
intend to look into further.
>
> Now, supposing that a bruja has put a spell on John. His wife or girl friend,
Jane, comes to Paty, and all she knows is that they were happy together, when
suddenly John left Jane for Sally there, who is older and not as good looking as
Jane, and on top of that, she is rather, shall we say, uncharismatic. The whole
thing makes no sense to anyone, not even to John, but he can't seem to wake up
and smell the coffee. So, Paty writes John's name down on a piece of paper, and
she sees Sally now, in her mind's eye, and John also, and she immediately sees
the whole situation. Sally has hired a bruja (who may not necessarily be a
Mexican, she might be a Cuban santera, or a root worker, or a seemingly new age
type who is actually using spells for grimoires) to perform this, but it is not
something that she does one time and it is a done deal. She has to keep the work
in effect constantly, and she is doing it with one of the favored methods,
"velando" (burning a candle). "Está velando su foto," she announces. She has a
picture of him, and she has it under a votive candle on her altar, burning
constantly, and when it goes out, she lights another one. Sally has to keep
paying her to do this. The day she stops paying, the bruja takes it off of her
altar, John calls Jane up and tells her he wants to get back together, and Sally
is single again.
>
> So, Paty puts a candle on her own altar, or a glass of water with John's name
on a piece of paper under it, and late and night, when everyone is asleep, she
pays them a little visit. She goes into John's mind and puts the idea in his
soul (sombra) that he loves Jane, he always has, and he always will, and that he
needs to get rid of Sally. Then, she goes over to the bruja's house, and she
turns John's picture over, so that the spell is broken. She also has Jane
perform a few rituals herself, complete with prayers, and what is most critical
is Jane's faith that this will work. What enforces Jane's faith is the clear
fact that Paty has divined everything without being told, or without ever having
met any of these people, which would be impossible anyway, as they are hundreds
of miles away.
>
> Okay, I am not going to say much else about this, but I am writing this simply
because I wanted everyone to see a few details, sort of up close and personal,
about how a real curandera works.
>
> Bryant
>

Hello everyone...
Just to let every one know that its a pleassure that I have some of you as my
friends on the group....

I wanted to let you all know that I will be having a class in regards magic,
hoodoo, root work..

I will also focus on the lwas (haitian vodou spirits) and tell you information
on how to serve them and what they like.

I will provide a bath for money for the begining of the year and also a bath for
good luck and love.....

The class will focus on four sections

1. Magic in general spells on love, good luck, court cases, etc,etc

2.How to work with the spirits and how to summon them so they can help you with
your daily activities

3. Give you information on any given issues you might be going through right now

4. Information about candles, oils and herbs....

Please if you are interested in taking my class leave me a private email with
your information so I can contact you

We will have a chatt and also private readings to all who signs up for the
class...

Thank you all so much

Houngan Q

I live in Killeen, Tx and I'm looking for any good Hierberias (that specialize
in La Santisima Muerte)in the Central Texas area--especially Austin.

Any info would be greatly appreciated :)

A child who has taken First Communion is old enough to buy their scapulary and
choose a scapulary godparent. In Tecospa, Mexico a popular scapulary is an image
of the Virgin of Carmen embroidered on a cloth necklace, worn to protect the
wearer from dying with mortal sin on his soul. Most Tecospans do not get
scapularies until they are approaching death, but a person who buys his first
scapulary when he is young stands a better chance of glory in the next life. A
child may ask a friend to be his scapulary godparent, but usually he asks any
stranger he chances to meet on the street in Milpa Alta when he goes there to
buy the necklace in one of the private houses specializing in the sale of
blessed apparel for the dead.

Child and stranger go to the church, where the godparent makes the sign of the
cross over his godchild and hangs the scapulary around his neck. After the
ceremony a child may buy his godfather some fruit before they part. Since the
godfather has no further obligations he is known as a "godparent of twenty-four
hours."