Well, I'm definitely a believer, just follow a different path. Even though my tradition is Celtic, it's closer to this than to Wicca. It's very shamanistic, and intuitional, and not at all ceremonial. We are cunning. My specialty is wort cunning. I'm sure you know what that is. If not, just let me know and I'll tell you.
Without question, what I want is simply to share ligitimate informaiton about curanderismo with seekers, adepts, students of Mexican folklore, and even skeptics, both in terms of catering to believers and non-believers alike. Welcome to our group
Dear Bryant, I'm really enjoying your posts. I follow a different Celtic Tradition, not Wicca, but everyone in my coven has a specialty. Mine is folk magic. I have started studying Pow Wow, HooDoo, Mountain Magic, Voudon, Santeria, a litte Ifa, and this is taking me in a totally different direction. My interest is as a student of life, not learning the practice, per se. I want to be able to, truthfully, answer questions, others may have, with out misleading them.
To some I would seem a beginner, but as I started my studies late in life, I've absorbed a lot of information in a short time, and can readily understand what you're talking about, in your articles.
I hope you don't mind someone on the list who wants the education, without being a seeker.
It does. It makes a lot of sense. I think that you have been given her don, but that Santeria is not for you. I think you should learn curanderismo. I could easily take up the craft myself, as don Martin has been trying to convince me to learn for years, but I don't think that is my calling. My gifts are understanding and teaching, and that is exactly what I intend to pursue. I am tempted to have Martin teach me the craft, but it would be dishonest to get the instruction and not practice it, because I suspect her wants me to have his don, and I, frankly, don't want it.
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I normally shy away from doing anything of this sort, but I felt compelled to perform a limpia for a person, because the circumstances were so extraordinary. I posted this on another group on the 7th of this month.
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I have visited several times now with Carlitos who, as you know, is a powerful curandero who lives in Gomez Palacio, Durango. Carlitos is going to instruct me from some of the ancient books he has, and he is going to help me with the book on curanderismo and brujeria that I am going to publish.
On Thursday of last week, I spoke to an American couple who have been here for about four months now - mostly staying at a place that they believe to be La Esmeralda, a small community near here across the Rio Conchos from Ojinaga: but where they actually are is a neighboring community of San Francisco, or San Pancho as it is popularly known, which is just over the hill from La Esmeralda.
I told them that I knew San Pancho very well, as I used to visit there a lot, when I dated a girl from there, Eva, some ten or so years ago, when I was first working on this book. I said that I liked the girl, and everything was fine with her and her family, except that I finally got fed up with all of them because of their obsession with brujeria, which seemed to dominate their thinking, to the point that I finally just left the girl, because I didn't want to hear anymore about it.
The couple said that this was uncanny that I should mention this, and they had the same impression, and that this brought up some items that they had not discussed with anyone else. So, to make a long story short, it is clear that the woman, Connie, has been bewitched and that her life is in mortal danger.
They have been staying at the house of a man who has certain characteristics related, in a way, to schitzophrenia - he talks to himself and repeats things over and over again. He rides a burro around, and I have seen him many times, but I have never spoken to him. The funny thing is that I took a picture of him on his burro several years ago, and it is on the background of an old home page of mine, located at http://home.talkcity.com/GalleryDr/eduardo/index.html
Recently, Connie said that she saw a mark on this man's arm - three read dots in the form of a perfect triangle - and when she asked the man what this was, responded by asking, "Sabes de las brujas?" Later, Connie saw these same three marks on her own body, and later on, when she looked they were gone.
I asked Cuca about this later that day, and she said that Connie was in mortal danger, that she was going to die. I asked her is she could cure Connie, and she said that she could, but then the "mal" would go into her, and she would be in danger. She said that this was "La Gallina Negra" - a particularly powerful and evil type of magia negra. You can look that up on the internet, on Google, and find references to this, which are taken out of the Book of San Cipriano, by the way. http://www.apocatastasis.com/trans_magn22.htm is an example of what I have talking about.
I asked her if Carlitos could cure her, and she said that he certainly could - that he was more powerful than any practitioners of La Gallina Negra. I knew that already, actually. So I told Connie that she didn't need to worry, that she was going to be all right, but that she had better not go anywhere, and that she had better be available when Carlitos got back from Gomez.
What suddenly worried me greatly was when it suddenly occured to me that this was a Thursday, and that the next day, Friday, was one the days in which the witches can hear you when you are talking about them. So, I knew that Connie and her husband, Darren, would talk about this between themselves, and the witches would hear my name, and I would be in grave danger. So, it happens that Carlitos had given me his card and told me that I could call him there in Gomez any time I wanted to, and that he would be available for me. So I did just that. At first I tried him at home, and he didn't answer, so I called him on his cell phone, and I spoke to him, and I told me my situation. He told me what to do to be protected for now, and that when he got home, he would provide a protection for me on his own altar there, and I would be completely safe, with an "amparo". What he instructed me to do is the following:
Take two images of San Miguel Arcangel, and place one above and one below a photo of yourself - or of the person who will given the amparo. Get a red candle (preferably a veladora of San Miguel himself, which I just so happened to have one), say the prayer to San Miguel (which happens to be on the back of the veladora - that was handy!) and light the candle and set it on top of the images.
Later, I talked to Carlitos again, and he said not to worry about a thing - that he had placed an amparo for me and that when he got to Ojinaga, he would fix everything. I thanked him for that, and I took home a novena of San Miguel, and I have started that. Last night I was on the third prayer.
For my images of San Miguel that I placed my photo between, I used novenas, since I have a whole lot of them anyway.
Connia and Darren were supposed to come back that evening, but I didn't see them until the next day, Friday. When they got there, I decided that, since Carlitos had an amparo for me, I would be safe in doing a limpia for Connie. So, I did just that.
I gave her a copy of the novena of San Miguel, and told her to look at his picture, and meditate on that, and to take off her glasses and baseball hat. Next, I did three persinaciones, and I told her to, at the point that one usually kisses the cross and three nails that one makes with ones own hand, that she do that herself - on "amen" she kiss her own hand. After that, I got a small crucifix and just made the sign of the cross in the same pattern as one does with the persinacion, and I prayed the Doce Verdades del Mundo while doing so. I then pulled the evil ("males") out of her fingertips, and I said, three times: "Espiritu de Connie, ven y no te quedes", to which I instructed her to reply "Ay Voy".
After that I annointed her on the head with Perfume de Siete Machos mixed with holy water, and I asked her to turn around, and, into the center her back, just below her shoulder blades, I blew one strong puff, and told her she was ready.
I told her to bring me a photo of herself, which she did later, and I put it in with mine between the two images of San Miguel, and told her to pray the prayer on the back of the candle. She asked me if she should do so on English of Spanish, and I told her either one, and she chose Spanish.
She said that she felt a lot better: That, up until then, she had felt a terrible depression, and that this ritual had completely lifted it. I was glad she felt that way, but I was not so sure myself about the effectiveness of all of this, and I called Carlitos again later, and I told him all of the new details. He did not say whether my efforts were worth the trouble or not, frankly, but he asked what her name was, and I said "Connie", and he said he would put up an amparo for her, too, and that she would be safe. Later on, I told her so.
Connie has had sort of like premonitions, which I would say are probably like communications from her guardian angel, at various stages in this. And she is sure that she was informed that I am supposed to begin practicing what I have learned, and that this is what I was doing here.
She said that she was pretty sure that the witches were spying on her, and I told her that they would probably just send ghosts to do that, but that she would know that they were coming personally to spy on her if she saw either a small owl - a lechuza - or a ball of light. She said that she had indeed seen a ball on light - in the room where she was the night before, up in the corner.
She also said that she had heard a voice, and that she could not make out all of the words, but that one word that was repeated a lot was "regresar" and "regresando". I told her that the witch was complaining that Carlos was going to turn their magic back on them ("regresar el mal"). When I talked to him about that, he said that this was true. He was very angry because they would have tried to harm me, and that he was going to punish them. "Estan jodidas," he said. This is going to be a classic "pleito entre brujos". Cuca says he is going to take away their power. But I think he is going to do worse than that.
http://www.fundacionglobalnature.org/imagenes/gallina1.JPG is a picture of the traditional gallina negra, a Spanish breed, which is what one uses in the ritual of initiation to the secret knowledge of the sect. However, these hens are not available, and so, the witches here perform another kind of sacrifice instead, which is so unspeakable, that I won't even speak about it. But, suffice it to say, that if you knew what I was referring to, you say to me - tell Carlos to to his worst!
Connie and Darren are moving to another place. They were moving today, and they stopped by to see me a couple of times. Connie's sister in law is a publisher and movie maker, and Connie is going to help us get our book published (I say "our" book because I have a feeling that Carlos is going to contribute so much stuff that I will have to give him credit, in all fairness).
Carlitos had some input from the spirits that guide him, concerning the book. They want to make sure this book has information which readers who have undeveloped "dones" (plural of "don" - to be clear here) will need. What their concern is (the spirits, that is) that these people, if they choose to take up magia blanca, that they have amparo, and so it is especially important that I include certain prayers from these very old books, which I must recommend for this purpose.
Without question, what I want is simply to share ligitimate informaiton about curanderismo with seekers, adepts, students of Mexican folklore, and even skeptics, both in terms of catering to believers and non-believers alike. Welcome to our group
Dear Bryant, I'm really enjoying your posts. I follow a different Celtic Tradition, not Wicca, but everyone in my coven has a specialty. Mine is folk magic. I have started studying Pow Wow, HooDoo, Mountain Magic, Voudon, Santeria, a litte Ifa, and this is taking me in a totally different direction. My interest is as a student of life, not learning the practice, per se. I want to be able to, truthfully, answer questions, others may have, with out misleading them.
To some I would seem a beginner, but as I started my studies late in life, I've absorbed a lot of information in a short time, and can readily understand what you're talking about, in your articles.
I hope you don't mind someone on the list who wants the education, without being a seeker.
It does. It makes a lot of sense. I think that you have been given her don, but that Santeria is not for you. I think you should learn curanderismo. I could easily take up the craft myself, as don Martin has been trying to convince me to learn for years, but I don't think that is my calling. My gifts are understanding and teaching, and that is exactly what I intend to pursue. I am tempted to have Martin teach me the craft, but it would be dishonest to get the instruction and not practice it, because I suspect her wants me to have his don, and I, frankly, don't want it.
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You're absolutely right about the influence of Cherokee conjuring in HooDoo. As there are influences of local Native American lore and practices, particulary with herbs in Pow Wow (Pennsylvania), and Mountain Magic (Appalachia).
Love... Cata
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One thing I have seen a bit of in hoodoo, at any rate in the Hyatt books, that is prominent in Cherokee conjuring (and likely other NA conjuring traditions, though I do not know for sure) is the use of splinters of lightning-struck wood. Trees which survive the lightning strike and live on are regarded as having particular spiritual power. I suspect the use of lightning struck wood in hoodoo may be due to southern US culture intermingling with Native culture, but don't know for sure. Perhaps there is an African tradition of using lightning-struck wood, also.
I am not very familiar with curanderismo but am reading with real interest.
~Dara
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I agree with what you say here, I don't believe there was ever one religion. We'll probably never know the whole story, but I believe that there was a lot more movement around the world, at an early age, than we realize, and there was exchange of ideas, which can explain many of the similarities.
I'm also concerned with the use of the term Wicca to mean witchcraft. Wicca is a religion, and most Wiccans follow the craft, but they do not necessarily go hand in hand.
I belong to a Welsh tradition, that is my religion. I am a witch, and I practice the craft; however, I could do either one of those things independent from the other.
I can agree with most of what you are saying. But I do not believe that there is any archeological evidence that there was ever one worldwide religion that fragmented into all of these regional beliefs, nor is there any other empirical evidence. I think that the similarities have to do with the spirits, gods, angels, and other such entities themselves, which are the subjects, or rather the objects, it might better be said, of these various faiths, cults, beliefs and practices.
Dear Bryant, I'm really enjoying your posts. I follow a different Celtic Tradition, not Wicca, but everyone in my coven has a specialty. Mine is folk magic. I have started studying Pow Wow, HooDoo, Mountain Magic, Voudon, Santeria, a litte Ifa, and this is taking me in a totally different direction. My interest is as a student of life, not learning the practice, per se. I want to be able to, truthfully, answer questions, others may have, with out misleading them.
To some I would seem a beginner, but as I started my studies late in life, I've absorbed a lot of information in a short time, and can readily understand what you're talking about, in your articles.
I hope you don't mind someone on the list who wants the education, without being a seeker.
It does. It makes a lot of sense. I think that you have been given her don, but that Santeria is not for you. I think you should learn curanderismo. I could easily take up the craft myself, as don Martin has been trying to convince me to learn for years, but I don't think that is my calling. My gifts are understanding and teaching, and that is exactly what I intend to pursue. I am tempted to have Martin teach me the craft, but it would be dishonest to get the instruction and not practice it, because I suspect her wants me to have his don, and I, frankly, don't want it.
I want to point one thing out, which is that this group is not exclusively for people who are prone to believe that curanderismo and brujeria are real. Skeptics are also welcome, and any discussions which seek to find some other rationalization or explanaiton for these phenomena are worth entertaining, also, so that non-believers and are less then welcome here. This is a legitimate anthropological topic, and and such, discussion within that framework are welcome.
In a message dated 7/28/2002 4:53:40 PM Central Daylight Time, bryanth@... writes:
Native Americian traditions from the South and from Oklahoma are fascinating to me, because they are very similar, in a lot of ways, to curanderismo. I have a friend who is a member of a family whose roots are both Native American and African (Choctow and Côte D'Ivore), and he spoke of persons known as "two headed people", there in Western Mississippi state where he is from. They are called that because the have "a head" for seeing into the physical world, like the rest of us and "another head" for seeing into the spirit world.
Yes, the term is familiar. I am a singer and sang ceremonially to help out a medicine person for several years. I am not native but was asked to do this -- that's a long story. I remember the medicine priest I sang for saying that when a baby was born in traditional Cherokee culture whose vision, for instance, was impaired, the people would say "his eyes are still in the spirit world." Same for any imperfection. Those few who were born with obvious mental defects -- their minds were still in the spirit world. Interesting, huh. In fact, I was told that one of the markers of a potential medicine person was that they were born blind -- either completely or partially. Not sure if it's true or not, but it was the story I heard.
One thing I have seen a bit of in hoodoo, at any rate in the Hyatt books, that is prominent in Cherokee conjuring (and likely other NA conjuring traditions, though I do not know for sure) is the use of splinters of lightning-struck wood. Trees which survive the lightning strike and live on are regarded as having particular spiritual power. I suspect the use of lightning struck wood in hoodoo may be due to southern US culture intermingling with Native culture, but don't know for sure. Perhaps there is an African tradition of using lightning-struck wood, also.
I am not very familiar with curanderismo but am reading with real interest.
This is a piece that I published on another e-mail group that purports to be about curanderismo, and it was not well received. I think, however, that some of the members are not serious students of this topic:
I would like to point out to people that the notion that the practices of curanderos and curanderas might be based primarily in the practices of Native Americans is actually a myth. Although Native American cultures have made important contributions to these arts, the fact remains that the bulk of these traditions come from Spain, where these practices survive even up to today, and that which is practiced there, and throughout the Spanish speaking world, is not that much different from what is practiced in Mexico.
It was not hard, actually, during the development phase of curanderismo, when Old World practices were blending with those of the New World, for them to find common ground, due to the simple fact that they had many common roots. Here are some examples:
1. In "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids", by Peter Tompkins, the author makes what I consider to be a very good case for the influence of the Phoenicians in the development of mesoamerican civilization, and these people had their roots in Canaan, as did other Semitic peoples whose roots are the same, and who developed, not only the Bible, but more importantly, sets of occult bodies of knowledge that later formed the basis for the type of magic practiced throughout the Mediterranean during the last two millennia, such that when the Spanish reached Mexico, they found a civilization rooted, ultimately, in many ways, in the same foundations as that of their own, particularly when it came to topic of the occult. It should be pointed out that runes and other hieroglyphic writings have not only been found throughout the Americas, they have been translated, and dated, even.
2. The "Black Legend of Malinche" and other such tales were actually invented by political writers in the first decades of the 19th century, with a view to propagating a myth that vilified everything Spanish and mystified such people as Cuauhtemoc, for instance, who, as we know, insisted that the Mexica fight to the death, but then tried to escape with a load of treasure and save his own hide. These myths were ostensibly promulgated by persons who were allied with the Jacobin cause, but it has been shown that they were actually members of Masonic lodges. Their motives were simple: they were attempting (and they were successful in this) to generate a political climate that would lead to the expropriation of Spanish and Church goods, including most of the mines and plantations - the major sources of income in the country - so that these goods would then go up for auction, where they were almost all snapped up by banking houses in Boston and New York for pennies on the dollar. It turns out that the sponsors of the Masonic lodges where the Mexicans who participated in these scams (Hidalgo, Morelos, Iturbide and others) were members, were the lodges in Boston and New York, where the grand masters were the same heads of the banking houses that benefited from this scam. Besides being left with looted economies and the ensuing misery (no more schools or hospitals, for instance), the Mexicans also have the baggage of these improbable myths, which people continue to take on as a cause celebre down to the present, which practice steers investigations into Mexico's past into all sorts of fallacies and blind alleys. I would suggest, just as a start, that people read "La Malinche in Mexican Literature: From History to Myth" (Texas Pan American Series) by Sandra M. Cypress, which you can find at http://zapatistas.org/books/
3. I was talking with a producer at the Galavision TV network, because I am probably going to do some consulting for them for a piece they are doing about curanderismo, and we discussed a lot of the items that I just mentioned. This woman is from Honduras, and it is generally believed in Mexico that brujos and brujas from Honduras are the most powerful, and that is why narcotraficantes who use brujeria as part of their "work" employ them so often. This producer agrees with me that curanderismo is pretty much the same throughout the Spanish speaking world - with the exception of places where other arts, such as Cuban Santeria, clearly have their roots in West Africa - and that most of the practices involve Catholic Saints, and the curanderos consider themselves to be orthodox Roman Catholics in every sense, and that their roots are in classic Catholic traditions. In addition, she agrees that the place to look for a link between the roots that lie all the way back in ancient Egypt, Canaan, Syria, and Mesopotamia, is Andalucian Spain, which was a remarkably tolerant society that lasted for over five centuries, until it was finally overrun by the armies of Isabela the Catholic; and its inhabitants - Jews, Muslims, Eastern Orthodox Catholics, and practitioners of Magic, were all forcibly converted to Latin Catholicism, and their practices driven into secrecy. However, just as it is known that there is a rich tradition in Mexico of the "crypto-Jews" - people who practice Judaic rituals in secret and have done so since the time of forcible conversions of their ancestors from 1492 on - there are also other practices that were brought surreptitiously under the aegis of Catholicism, and curanderismo and brujeria (white magic, and the other three colors of magic as defined in the "Tesoro del Hechicero"), being counted among these.
4. Other than the practices kept alive in Andalucia and then surviving on a surreptitious basis afterwards, there were also certain practices that survived in Latin territory at the same time, and this was mainly through the existence of all manner of secret societies, some of which operated inside monasteries, and others within various groups which survived unmolested for periods of time and may have suffered repression later - such as the Cathars and the Knights Templars, for instance. A very important example in this vein is the cult of San Cipriano and his book, the "Tesoro del Hechicero" (the Treasure of the Sorcerer), which was released into the publication by a monk, Jonas Sufurino, around the year 1000, and then was actually printed in 1510. San Cipriano is enjoying a tremendous revival today, as curanderos and curanderas around the world begin to recognize him as their true patron saint. His cult was displaced in a blatantly political move by the successors of Isabela the Catholic and their cabal, with that of San Ignacio, who can hardly be considered to have been a saint. He was more like the forerunner on Benito Mussolini, in fact, and so were some of the other so-called saints, like Santo Domingo, who was an officer of the Spanish Inquisition, and burned a lot of people at the stake at the "autos de fé".
San Cipriano is now reclaiming his place in the pantheon of true curandero saints. He was, in fact, one of the most powerful magicians who ever lived, and he had in his possession occult wisdom that was passed down from certain other powerful magicians who had preceded him in that part of the world - namely, Moses and Solomon.
5. Like most occult knowledge from Mexico, these items are not readily available to Americans, but rather, it takes a lot of dedicated research to access these facts and put them into perspective. It is my practice to cross-reference material of this type with the curanderos and curanderas that I know when I interview them, or just when I am talking with them, and as time goes on, I become more and more affirmed in my beliefs.
The French word "grimoire", which is the term most common used in English to describe the traditional books of spells which persons who sought to learn enchantments from books used as reference material, is actually a French version of the Spanish term "grimorio", which is actually a play on words. The term "rimorio" was used to describe a collection of rhymes, or poetry, as it were, which was in a different context that that of the grimorios. Since a good deal of the material contained in the grimorios rhymed, this term was coined, which gives the meaning, roughly, of "grim book of rhymes".
The actual content of the grimorios, albeit it is alleged that they were written in tenth century in Moorish Spain, is actually much older. It is material that was extant in Anatolia, mainly, having migrated there from Syria by way of Palestine and, ultimately, Egypt and Babylonia.
Once the grimorios were translated into Spanish and Catalan in the 13th century, they began to pass into the European consciousness, and they spread from Spain into France and other regions, especially after they were printed on printing presses in the early 16th century.
The most famous of the grimorios is the so-called "Ciprianillo", which is claimed to have been written by a German monk, Jonas (or Jones) Suferino, in the year 1001, although older versions in Arabic are found from the preceding century. The Ciprianillo is attributed to the hand of San Cipriano del Campo Mayor, bishop Corinth, who originally lived in Antioch, Syria, and was martyred by the Roman emperor Diocletian in the first or second centuries.
Other Spanish grimorios include La Gallina Negra, El Dragón Negro, La Lechuza Negra, El Libro de los Pentáculos, El Libro de los Espíritus, El Libro de las Sombras, El Libro de los Signos, El Libro de los Conjuros, El Libro de los Secretos del Infierno, El Libro de la Magia Sagrada, La Espada de Moisés, Las Clavículas de Salomón, El Enchiridión del Papa León I Magno and El Gran Grimorio del Papa Honorio III.
Many families who owned these grimorios fled to Mexico in order to escape the Spanish Inquisition. Many of these persons were the so-called "marranos", who were persons who had been forcibly converted to Christianity but were accused of secretly practicing either Judaism or Islam in secret. In the case of the Jews, these people became a culture known as the "crypto-Jews", who are still around today and still practice Judaic ritual in secret while observing the trappings of orthodox Roman Catholicism. Such as family are the Ferman Gurrola family of Durango, descibed in Ruben Osorio's book "The Secret Family of Pancho Villa" (Sul Ross University Press).
The "Moorish marranos", to me, are a lot more interesting, because most of these people, I believe, were not really devotees of Islam in reality, but had lived much as the crypto-Jews in Mexico ever since the conquest of their original homelands by the Arabs on the 7th Century: which were actually Syria, Anatolia, Palestine, Egypt, and Iraq. These people fled the Near East and came to Andalucia to enjoy the atmosphere of tolerance there. In the eighth century, the Abbasids took control of the Islamic empire from the once-powerful Umayyads. Abd al-Rahman, an Umayyad, fled to Spain and founded al-Andalus. There Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together in relative peace and equality for centuries. In this atmosphere there flourished Iluminati (iluminados) families, and members of other sects which were both very ancient and very secretive. It was these families who kept in their homes the ancient books that contributed the material that formed the grimorios, and it was also they who fled to Mexico in the 16th century to contribute to the culture of Mexican brujeria and curanderismo.
The heartland of this culture in Spain is Asturia, and there are some excellent pages in the topic that you can find at http://www.arrakis.es/~joserm/a_maxica/cmaxa1.htm You will need to know Spanish, however, to read this :-)
That is fascinating. Here in Mexico, there is both the tradition of just going out into the field, or even in a vacant lot, and picking herbs and plants with mecidinal qualities, and that of going to numerous hieberias - we have them all over town - and buying herbs and other remedies there. In addition, Tarahumara Indians come down from "la sierra" and carry bags of herbs around to sell, and people buy they up with relish because they are usually fresher and better quality than what is found in the hierberias.
Native Americian traditions from the South and from Oklahoma are fascinating to me, because they are very similar, in a lot of ways, to curanderismo. I have a friend who is a member of a family whose roots are both Native American and African (Choctow and Côte D'Ivore), and he spoke of persons known as "two headed people", there in Western Mississippi state where he is from. They are called that because the have "a head" for seeing into the physical world, like the rest of us and "another head" for seeing into the spirit world. These people remind me of my curandera friend Paty http://ojinaga.com/curandera because they, upon meeting you, already know practically everything about you. My friend Jim, who was telling me about this, spoke of a visit to a Cherokee (I assume) medicine man in Oklahoma, who greeted him by his first name the moment he saw him even though they had not been introduced, and then effectvely counseled him concerning his Viet Nam related post traumatic stress syndrome which had haunted him for most of his adult life. I was quite impressed with all of this.
The person I am talking about, I think is rather famous in the Dallas area, but I don't have his permission to talk about these things, so I won't give it out. I will try to interview him for my book, however, because I think it is important to add a Native American dimension to this, putting it into its proper perspective, of course.
Just saying hi to everyone from Dallas, TX, where the summertime habanero heat index today is somewhere between furnace and hellfire. I exaggerate. It's actually not that bad - there's a breeze - and it is, after all, July.
What an interesting group. Thank you, Bryant, for starting it.
I'm an herbalist also. I've some knowledge of traditional Cherokee herbalism and formula-making, some of Ayurvedic and a bit of Chinese herbal information, but most of my knowledge is western. I'm fairly new to Texas, and the ecosystem is so different from where I used to live. Lots of new plants to get to know.
Glad to meet you all. ~Dara/Red
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Just saying hi to everyone from Dallas, TX, where the summertime habanero
heat index today is somewhere between furnace and hellfire. I exaggerate.
It's actually not that bad - there's a breeze - and it is, after all, July.
What an interesting group. Thank you, Bryant, for starting it.
I'm an herbalist also. I've some knowledge of traditional Cherokee herbalism
and formula-making, some of Ayurvedic and a bit of Chinese herbal
information, but most of my knowledge is western. I'm fairly new to Texas,
and the ecosystem is so different from where I used to live. Lots of new
plants to get to know.
Glad to meet you all.
~Dara/Red
I can agree with most of what you are saying. But I do not believe that
there is any archeological evidence that there was ever
one worldwide religion that fragmented into all of these regional
beliefs, nor is there any other empirical evidence. I think that
the similarities have to do with the spirits, gods, angels, and other
such entities themselves, which are the subjects, or rather the
objects, it might better be said, of these various faiths, cults,
beliefs and practices.
I agree, there was never one identical global religion but I think it
all started out similarly with a Higher Power whether you called him/her
Sun, Earth, Moon, Buddha, Christ, depending on what region you were
from. And then just evolved from there as people were able to travel to
other lands. Today you see many of the same belief systems incorporated
in different religions, that in my opinion makes us more alike than
different. So I don't believe (personally) that there is any "right"
way, or that any one religion is better than the other, as long as the
core belief on what Spirituality and religion was founded on remains.
Landa
I can agree with most of what you are saying. But I do not believe that there is any archeological evidence that there was ever one worldwide religion that fragmented into all of these regional beliefs, nor is there any other empirical evidence. I think that the similarities have to do with the spirits, gods, angels, and other such entities themselves, which are the subjects, or rather the objects, it might better be said, of these various faiths, cults, beliefs and practices.
A lot of writers have attempted to fabricate, in my view, a myth wherein some worldwide religion existed in a mythical golden age. But archeology and anthropology both present overwhelming evidence that contradicts that notion, and that is one reason why I don't subscribe to that.
I would rather subscribe to the notion that seafaring peoples, principally the Phoenecians and the Carthageans, are those who spread the ancient beliefs of Asia, Africa, and Europe as they were embodied the practices of pre-Judaic Palestine, and the legacies thereof: it is they who engendered the similarities between the traditions of Medieval Catholic Spain, with it's undercurrent of cabalistic culture, and the practices of the Aztecs and others whom the Spanish found to be so uncannily like their own that many of them came to believe that one of the apostles had been there and had generated all of this. There are various descriptions of what I am talking about here which are in print, and one which I would recommend is from one of the chapters in the book "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids" by Peter Tompkins (ISBN 0-06-014324-X).
I am glad that you feel that way. In Mexican society, and particularly when it somes to curanderos, there is not going to be any resolving of the issue that people here simply do not like anything about witches and that they are not likely to buy into wicca ideology in way, shape or form. I mean no respect for wicca adepts, followers, believers, or those who are sympathetic with all of that. I think, however, that in terms of curanderismo, there is already a very rich trove of knowledge and tradition that does not need to be placed under aegis of such a foreign set of concepts, nor interpreted in terms of the mores of any other ideology or beliefs.
Well true paganism has been around since the beginning of time, where the Wicca religion is fairly new. It depends on where you come from, what area, what country, yet, one can't help notice the similarities of the core principles of the various religions. I think the variety of religions are just off-shoots of one basic religion that evolved into to segregated beliefs depending on where you happen to live and where you come from. What gets me about some of these New Age religions is how they have no qualms about embracing the dark. I've met many people who almost boast as if this somehow gives them a superiority above everyone else. They boast of a selfish set of beliefs and totally disregard everyone else. Its always been my belief that this is a weakness in the person, because to embrace a set of dark magickal beliefs is sooooooo easy, anyone can do it and without much effort. The demons and dark forces are always willing and ready for someone to say the word, there's no effort in that at all. And it doesn't require any special powers. Now, to embrace the light and goodness (I'm not talking fluffy) just your basic goodwill towards humanity and your fellow human beings, to help and aid in a common goal, thats where the challenge comes in. When I hear someone say "I'm at home in the dark"..well, my sympathies on their weaknesses. They never seem happy and always teeter on the edge of total demise. I believe the Higher Power wants us to help ourselves and others above all else. Landa
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I am glad that you feel that way. In Mexican society, and particularly
when it somes to curanderos, there is not going to be any
resolving of the issue that people here simply do not like anything
about witches and that they are not likely to buy into wicca
ideology in way, shape or form. I mean no respect for wicca adepts,
followers, believers, or those who are sympathetic with all
of that. I think, however, that in terms of curanderismo, there is
already a very rich trove of knowledge and tradition that does
not need to be placed under aegis of such a foreign set of concepts, nor
interpreted in terms of the mores of any other ideology
or beliefs.
Well true paganism has been around since the beginning of time, where
the Wicca religion is fairly new. It depends on where you come from,
what area, what country, yet, one can't help notice the similarities of
the core principles of the various religions. I think the variety of
religions are just off-shoots of one basic religion that evolved into to
segregated beliefs depending on where you happen to live and where you
come from. What gets me about some of these New Age religions is how
they have no qualms about embracing the dark. I've met many people who
almost boast as if this somehow gives them a superiority above everyone
else. They boast of a selfish set of beliefs and totally disregard
everyone else. Its always been my belief that this is a weakness in the
person, because to embrace a set of dark magickal beliefs is sooooooo
easy, anyone can do it and without much effort. The demons and dark
forces are always willing and ready for someone to say the word, there's
no effort in that at all. And it doesn't require any special powers.
Now, to embrace the light and goodness (I'm not talking fluffy) just
your basic goodwill towards humanity and your fellow human beings, to
help and aid in a common goal, thats where the challenge comes in. When
I hear someone say "I'm at home in the dark"..well, my sympathies on
their weaknesses. They never seem happy and always teeter on the edge of
total demise. I believe the Higher Power wants us to help ourselves and
others above all else. Landa
I am glad that you feel that way. In Mexican society, and particularly when it somes to curanderos, there is not going to be any resolving of the issue that people here simply do not like anything about witches and that they are not likely to buy into wicca ideology in way, shape or form. I mean no respect for wicca adepts, followers, believers, or those who are sympathetic with all of that. I think, however, that in terms of curanderismo, there is already a very rich trove of knowledge and tradition that does not need to be placed under aegis of such a foreign set of concepts, nor interpreted in terms of the mores of any other ideology or beliefs.
In the same vein, however, I think it would behoove the serious student to be cognizant of the existance of wicca and New Age goddess culture and the historic roots of these, because, for one thing, it is amazing the amount of contrast between the Spanish speaking world, where traditional "witchcraft" culture saturates the landscape to the point where it is hard to excape its influence, and that of the English and German speaking world which spawned the wicca and goddess cultures, where solid evidence and real traditions that should have conflicted with these new concepts are incredibly scarce. This is why these items will never take hold in Mexico, or likely not in Spain either, because all of that flies directly in the face of what people have seen and heard all of their lives.
I have already heard several personal accounts of the killing of perceived witches right here in Ojinaga or in places close to here, within the last few decades. This shows you exactly what people think of these folks. That being the case, I don't think that anyone in their right mind would advertise such a thing openly, although their are exceptions that rule, of course.
Personally, I would prefer that people not attempt to place curanderismo and brujeria in any frame of reference that is analogous to wicca or New Age practices, beliefs, or terminology, because it is my contention that there is little or no common ground. Brujeria and curanderismo are not "magick". These practices - those of brujeria and curderismo - are based, mainly,
Hi Bryant,
Like Marie, I feel like I am suppose to continue the path of curanderismo handed down to me by my Grandmother, even though my grandmother and I didn't really speak much while she was alive and she passed on when I was young. Being raised in California, my Mother wanted me so much to blend into the mainstream of a basically all white area/school system, therefore she didn't think spanish would be important. Also, whatever the Roman Catholic church taught us, was pretty much gospel even though much of the tradition of our mexican culture was left out. I can remember as a child going to the library immediately searching out any books magickal, herbal, anything about witches, ghosts and the paranormal, etc. I also remember very young growing and drying herbs, making herbal remedies, taking natural products from the kitchen for beauty and health treatments. Actually, I felt like a really odd kid :-) I had no idea where it came from being that the fact that my grandmother was a curandera was so hidden from all of us kids. But out of all the grandchildren, and there are lots of us, I am the only one who carried on the traits of my grandmother. I had to find it out on my own though, and not without doing much reading like most of us here have done, exploring Wicca, Santeria, Voodoo, and various other traditions, finally finding a home and a place that feels right in my God given roots and culture. When I was doing the Wiccan thing (and I did like much of what its based on) you are taught that witches need to embrace both the light and the dark, that never really felt right to me. I know that life itself is a cycle of balances but why the need for the dark? And why the need to control others? Isn't it enough just to worry about your own life? It always seemed like it had a selfish element to it, only in that respect of invoking dark forces, curses and hexes. I had many an arguement with my Mom about Brujas, she would always talk about them in a negative light, now I know why. Anyway, I am happy to be a part of the group, it feels like home..Landa
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Personally, I would prefer that people not attempt to place curanderismo
and brujeria in any frame of reference that is
analogous to wicca or New Age practices, beliefs, or terminology,
because it is my contention that there is little or no common
ground. Brujeria and curanderismo are not "magick". These practices -
those of brujeria and curderismo - are based, mainly,
Hi Bryant,
Like Marie, I feel like I am suppose to continue the path of
curanderismo handed down to me by my Grandmother, even though my
grandmother and I didn't really speak much while she was alive and she
passed on when I was young. Being raised in California, my Mother wanted
me so much to blend into the mainstream of a basically all white
area/school system, therefore she didn't think spanish would be
important. Also, whatever the Roman Catholic church taught us, was
pretty much gospel even though much of the tradition of our mexican
culture was left out. I can remember as a child going to the library
immediately searching out any books magickal, herbal, anything about
witches, ghosts and the paranormal, etc. I also remember very young
growing and drying herbs, making herbal remedies, taking natural
products from the kitchen for beauty and health treatments. Actually, I
felt like a really odd kid :-) I had no idea where it came from being
that the fact that my grandmother was a curandera was so hidden from all
of us kids. But out of all the grandchildren, and there are lots of us,
I am the only one who carried on the traits of my grandmother. I had to
find it out on my own though, and not without doing much reading like
most of us here have done, exploring Wicca, Santeria, Voodoo, and
various other traditions, finally finding a home and a place that feels
right in my God given roots and culture. When I was doing the Wiccan
thing (and I did like much of what its based on) you are taught that
witches need to embrace both the light and the dark, that never really
felt right to me. I know that life itself is a cycle of balances but why
the need for the dark? And why the need to control others? Isn't it
enough just to worry about your own life? It always seemed like it had a
selfish element to it, only in that respect of invoking dark forces,
curses and hexes. I had many an arguement with my Mom about Brujas, she
would always talk about them in a negative light, now I know why.
Anyway, I am happy to be a part of the group, it feels like home..Landa
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It does. It makes a lot of sense. I think that you have been given her don, but that Santeria is not for you. I think you should learn curanderismo. I could easily take up the craft myself, as don Martin has been trying to convince me to learn for years, but I don't think that is my calling. My gifts are understanding and teaching, and that is exactly what I intend to pursue. I am tempted to have Martin teach me the craft, but it would be dishonest to get the instruction and not practice it, because I suspect her wants me to have his don, and I, frankly, don't want it.
If your grandmother gave you her don, and it is in your possession, you will never be happy until you either develop it or get rid of it. At least that is what practically all the curanderos and curanderas have said about that matter. In the case of Paty, she suffered a very serious health crisis in here life, and was obliged to take up the craft in order to be healed. She waited rather late in life to do so, however, such that she is still learning a lot of things that should have learned years ago. Nevertheless, she is extremely powerful. I have seen her do some amazing things with my own eyes that no one could possibly explain with conventional scientific explanations. See http://ojinaga.com/curandera
I have done limpias before, and I do certain practices that are my own thing, or that are simply things that a lot of people within the context of Mexican folk beliefs but which are not necessarily items practiced exclusively by curanderos. The thing is, I studiously avoid getting into magical practices other than things I do in a very limited context, because I used to do a type of divination, and I decided that this was not for me, and I stopped doing it altogether. I don not want to become a curandero, but I know enough about it to teach the basic practice to a novice. I view such a matter as something that I am obliged to do if the person has a don which will harm them if they don't develop it.
In that sense, I will describe a few rituals along with the theory behind them and the proper precautions later on here, when the time is right.
Thank you for your advice Bryant. I was too young when my Grandmother was showing me things and I remember that she used to tell me that I was the daughter of candelo (I hope I spelled it right) and San miguel but I remember she used to frighten me a lot so I haven't practiced anything because frankly when she would put me to do a ritual things would go opposite. I also remember rituals with animal blood and it scared me to a point that I've studied Wicca, paganism and Santeria, etc., and I'm still (well I can't explain) I guess iffy would be the word. But I also know that my Grandmother who passed away a few years ago wants me to go through a path of my own but related to the religion that she was trying to teach me. (does that make sense)
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Thank you for your advice Bryant. I was too young when my Grandmother was showing me things and I remember that she used to tell me that I was the daughter of candelo (I hope I spelled it right) and San miguel but I remember she used to frighten me a lot so I haven't practiced anything because frankly when she would put me to do a ritual things would go opposite. I also remember rituals with animal blood and it scared me to a point that I've studied Wicca, paganism and Santeria, etc., and I'm still (well I can't explain) I guess iffy would be the word. But I also know that my Grandmother who passed away a few years ago wants me to go through a path of my own but related to the religion that she was trying to teach me. (does that make sense)
<<...an abuelita who was into Santeria and who told me I was supposed to take her place I am very interested in learning more to see if that is what I want to do>>
I must tell you, then, some details concerning my conversations with Carlitos.
Carlitos left some things in sort of a pending mode and then came back with answers for me the next day, the first time I spoke with him.
Specifically, since this was with regard to my proposal to him that he help me with the book I am working on about this subject, he wanted to get some answers from the spirits he consults with at night in his dreams. Apparantly, what these spirits, or angels, or archangels, or whatever, exactly, that they are want is this: they actually want for information to be available to aspiring curanderas and curanderos in the United States and English speaking world. But they are particularly concerned that there be protection available for those who are practicing this art. It is universally believed that when you cure someone with a curandero prayer, ritual, or technique, that the evil or sickness will pass to you if you have no protection. If you think that you have performed a limpia on someone and it does not affect you (assuming you don't have adequate protection), then your limpia didn't work. You just went through the motions but nothing happened. I will talk more about that later, because it a very involved topic with a lot of nuances. But to get back on the subject, Carlitos suggested that these spirits are sort of interested in taking my project in a slightly different direction than that which I originally concieved. They (along with Carlos himself) apparantly feel that there are a lot of Americans (including persons of Hispanic extraction - especially Mexican Americans, I am sure) who were born with the "don" for curing, and it is their destiny that they develop this "don". In this sense, it is precisely a matter of their learning actual, traditional Mexican curanderismo (as opposed to wicca or something else), or Santeria or Macumba, I would suppose; but curanderismo is the thing that we are interested in mainly.
At the same time, they should be completely aware of the subject of brujeria and all of its nuances; because, frankly, at least half of the work that curanderas and curanderos do - if not more - is a matter or reversing the effects of evil spells which it is believed that people suffer from, mainly, as the result of other persons having gone and paid witches or sorcerers (brujas and hechiceros) to place these spells on them.
Thus, we will be discussing here some of the common types of spells, including tracing their historic roots to the European, Mesoamerican, African, and Asian traditions from whence they arose.
Personally, I would prefer that people not attempt to place curanderismo and brujeria in any frame of reference that is analogous to wicca or New Age practices, beliefs, or terminology, because it is my contention that there is little or no common ground. Brujeria and curanderismo are not "magick". These practices - those of brujeria and curderismo - are based, mainly, on conjuring, and if anything, I would say that we are talking about necromancy, in a sense, and in the invoking of spiritual entities that are either aligned with Heaven or with Hell. Curanderos are Catholics, in short, and they believe in the Catholic concept of the Holy Trinity, in the Virgin Mary (especially the Virgin of Guadalupe), in the saints, angels, and archangels, and in another class of entities known as the "poderosos", who are, essentially, folk saints. The spirit of El Niño Fidencio is an example of this. Brujas - those who practice "magia negra" (black magic) - are persons who reject the Catholic church and its pantheon of saints and angels in favor of its antithesis - the collection of the "fallen angels" of Satan, and of Satan himself. Anyone who wishes to sidestep these items, or to obfuscate them, or to otherwise derail that discussion, has an erroneous understanding of curanderismo, or else the fact is that this is not going to be a topic that is to their liking, in the final analysis.
Getting back to what you said about your abuelita - it may be that she granted you her "don", and that she expects that you will use it. This is very common.
I'm a severe lurker but did you really think we would abandon you :-) I enjoy all of the information you post and me being from an abuelita who was into Santeria and who told me I was supposed to take her place I am very interested in learning more to see if that is what I want to do.
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I have now succeeded in finding, being introduced to, and conducting my first interview with a person who may very well be one of the most powerful brujos, or curanderos, in all of Mexico. I am convinced that this is not just a random happenstance, but rather, that there is an invisible guiding hand in all of this.
In my interview the other day with Tencha Uranga, a friend of mine - which I, unfortunately, did not tape record - she mentioned a man from Durango who was a powerful brujo, and the next thing that happened was positively uncanny.
Recently, another curandera who might be describe as actually being a bruja, Cuca, arrived back in town. Since she likes me a lot, she came by to see me, and we visited. I mentioned my interview with Tencha to Cuca, and I also mentioned this man from Durango. Cuca’s face lit up with that. “I know him,” she said. “He is a good friend of mine.”
That very afternoon, she took me to see him, and she introduced me, and I explained to him that I was going to write a book on this subject, and that I wanted him to help me, and that I felt that he and I would soon become good friends and that he would want to help me, because this has happened with all of the brujas and curanderas I had met so far. (I hate the way in Spanish that they have male and female versions of all words that describe persons, so I avoid repeating things in order to accommodate that).
This man’s name is Carlos, and everyone calls him by the diminutive Carlitos, out of affection. The thing about curanderos is that they warm to you or fail to do so according to your character, which they assess more deeply as they are in your presence, in that they know intimate details about you which normal people cannot sense. Thus, if you are acting in good faith, they respond very well to you, or so I believe, personally. Be this true or not, I can say that Carlitos was not only willing to help me in any way, he is quite enthusiastic about this, and he seems to pretty much share my vision.
If the items I gleaned from my talk with Tencha enforced what I have concluded to far, this interview, shall we say, cemented them.
I could now write this article along any number of lines, but I am choosing to reference things I have written before, and take a sort of a pedagogic approach here. I am going to list some major points and comment on them.
1. I have felt, since I found a copy of the “Tesoro del Hechicero” - the Book of San Cipriano - that the wisdom that curanderos use is something that goes back to Canaan, and was adopted by the Israelites later, and then passed into Christian lore on a sort of surreptitious basis. Carlitos absolutely affirmed all of that, but he added a lot of detail. He is actually passing on a family tradition that is very, very ancient. His family are sort of like crypto-Jews, which is something that has existed in Mexico since the 16th century. They were magicians who lived in Andalucia and thrived there in the tolerant society of the Moorish kingdom, until the conquest by the Castilians, at which time they took their practice underground and it became a secret family tradition. Before that, their family is traced back to Judea, and before that, to Egypt. Their books are in Spanish, and the older ones in Latin, and the even older ones are in Hebrew. Much of the text appears to be pretty much the same as in the Tesoro del Hechicero, only it is much more complete, and the Tesoro del Hechicero is only a fragment of the works that San Cipriano either wrote or possessed from earlier sources.
2. I had read in the Tesoro del Hechicero (“Treasure of the Sorcerer”) about the use of magical instruments, and Carlitos indeed has one. Most of these are either magic swords or daggers, and he spoke about his sword and its use. He was explaining how brujos effect spells to harm people which they disguise as regular illnesses, such as, for example, tuberculosis. Thus, a victim will have the symptoms, and go to the doctor, who will diagnose it, and begin a treatment that fails to address the problem. Meanwhile, the victim or his family will not suspect the real cause. This sort of thing is done by manufacturing a wax effigy of the victim which is buried in a graveyard, and a certain date is set, by which time, if the person is not cured, they will be incurable under any circumstances, and they will eventually die. In order to cure a person afflicted in this manner, the wax effigy must be found and dug up. The only way to do this is with a magic sword. The magic sword has to made of the right alloy, and the right design, at the right time - both in terms of the day and the hour, and it must be blessed in the same fashion, the right time and the right day (Carlitos didn’t tell me that - I read it in the Tesoro del Hechicero, but I will confirm this later). Carlitos divines where the graveyard is where the wax effigy is buried, goes there with his sword, and he says that it guides him to the location, and it just plants itself in the ground all by itself exactly over the spot.
3. Carlitos gives the impression that curanderos are not exactly Catholics. They are actually members of another religion that has almost all of the same elements as Catholicism, but it is actually far, far older, and it involves occult and secret knowledge. He is careful to distinguish between three different distinct strains in Mexico. The first, and far and away the most dominant, is Old World curanderismo brought over from Spain and practiced throughout Latin America and the Mediterranean. The second is the body of practices that are uniquely Mexican and are rooted in mesoamerican - mainly Aztec - Practices, of which the cult of the Santisima Muerte is the most common and visible element. The third is the influence of Santeria, which is mostly regional, being most common in the parts of Mexico which are closest to Cuba, which, if you will check the map, is not very far from the coast of Yucatan. Santeria is a thinly disguised version of the ancient religion of the Yoruba tribe of West Africa (Nigeria), and there are a host of Catholic saints who are really Yoruba gods and goddesses, and one example, it turns out, is Santa Barbara.
4. Carlos confirmed a couple of obvious items, such as the fact that women who are having problems with men are the main seekers of this type of spiritual help, and that the drug dealers seek their help a lot also. He affirmed the fact that the main saints that drug smugglers traditionally pray to are, indeed, San Judas Tadeo, San Martin Caballero, San Martin de Porres, and he named about a half dozen others.
5. Carlos is consulted in his dreams by spirits, who give him the answers for things, and he commonly tells people to wait until the next day for an answer for that reason.
6. Carlos provided a lot of information about the number seven, which figures very heavily in the work and the beliefs of curanderos, although I did not understand much of what he was talking about, but I have it on tape to analyze later.
He told me a lot of other interesting things which I will save for later, and I am going to meet with him tomorrow. He is actually going to teach me a lot of esoteric knowledge out of this very old book that he has. I am really excited about this.
(Followup on this - I visited quite a bit on this with Carlos after I wrote this, and he is going to be giving me detailed instruction from some very ancient books in his possession, and long with simple oral instrucion on the most common practices of Mexican curanderos which are not rooted in these books, necessarily. He should be back in town by the beginning of next week.)
This is another story that it a little out of date, but it is part of my notes that I keep to log my progress in my latest set of studies on this topic:
I had an informal interview with a person whom I will simply identify as Tencha. I can’t use her full name, unless I get her permission, but I doubt she will give that to me. However, I want to be very careful how I conduct this business with her, because, for one thing, I still need to tape her, and I don't want to betray her confidence, and number two, she has the capacity to consult with a person who is psychic and would tell her right way if I am betraying her trust, so I must act in good faith completely with her, even in my thoughts.
Tencha, because she is having problems involving a lovers’ triangle, as is typically the crux of situations wherein people get involved with brujas and curanderas in the first place, was asking me if I knew anyone who might help her. I told that I knew of two possibilities. One would be Paty, who would only help her if she thought that the man were really hers, and not someone else’s, and the other is Manuela, who, at the time, I assumed would not care about that. So, Tencha went to see Manuela!
Paty, I since found out, “uses” a Catholic saint, Santa Barbara, for such “trabajos” - as the spells are termed (“works”, or “labors” - this might be loosely translated). Santa Barbara is a legendary figure who may have never existed, and whom it is theorized was actually a pagan goddess co-opted by the early church, and transformed into a Catholic saint. But that is all speculation, I think, and a murky subject.
Manuela uses the Santísima Muerte, which is a figure of a skeleton dressed as the Virgin Mary, and who is believed to be an Aztec Goddess converted quite unofficially into a folk saint, and very much banned by the church.
Tencha was quite typical of many people whom I have interviewed, at first claiming that saints and spirits are all just part of the overactive imaginations of superstitious and ignorant people, but later on turning out herself to be quite obsessed with the subject. Once she got away from that posture - of denying the existence of these things - however, she became very much given over to spilling out great quantities of information, anecdotes, memories, and opinions about all of this, in her own style, of animated and racing conversation, such that is was all I could do to follow the details of so many tales.
One thing that Tencha reaffirms so well is the tendency of people to rate the powers of alleged curanderas and brujas, and decide which ones are legitimate persons with an actual “don” and which ones are “estafadores” (frauds). In addition, one gets the sense from these conversations that, even though people try to make the attempt to distinguish between a curandera (a person, who, by the definition that people normally supply, that works in “pura blanca” - “only white magic”), and a bruja, or a person who works black magic (or red, or green, or various combinations), the distinction very easily blurs, and it is never really exactly clear; when one is actually talking about persons, and not simple concepts.
I will here relate three stories that she told me in one session, and leave the rest out, for now.
The first concerns her visit to a person who might either be described as a curandero or a brujo, who is from Brazil, but Paty went to see him in Albuquerque, New Mexico. This man is alleged to be very powerful, and can both remove spells (perform a “limpia”), or cast spells (“hacer trabajos”). He has become quite rich in his practice, and he prescribes herbal treatments, which he imports, I assume, from Brazil. I can’t remember what Tencha said he did for her, but she broke into a story of another person who had seen this man, who was the wife of a man who had been unfaithful. The man had started cheating on her with a woman who was older than her and not nearly as good looking, and they decided that this other woman had arranged to have the man bewitched. So, when the wife went to the see the Brazilian, he drew her a map of the interior of her house, and told her where to find the “mugrero” (literally “dirt” - the nastiness), and then she went home and looked, there were the black candles, cut up photos, the egg in the glass, or whatever sort of blandishments were used to concoct the spell. What the curandero/brujo did was to arrange for the man to come back to his wife, but only after making him suffer. As a result, the other woman turned on him somehow, and accused him of something - I can’t remember the details - and he went to jail because of her, and got out a year later. He cried in jail, and completely repented of having cheated on his wife, and became her slave when he got out (figuratively speaking - I didn’t hear of any kinky stuff!).
During the course of the conversation, as I was explaining the purpose of my studies to Tencha, she told me that I should go the “sierra” - the mountainous region of Western Chihuahua, to a place near the town of Madera, to see a certain Nachito, a famous curandero, there - “Lots of gringos go to see him”, she urged.
Tencha had gone there with a friend, one Winter’s day, when it was cold, and snow was on the ground, and people were camping there, with sleeping bags, and their groceries and their campfires, waiting to see Nachito. Tencha and her friend were the last to see him, and as they waited, out in their car, they were making all sorts of jokes about Nachito, and when their time approached to be tended to, they went into the house, and finally, in the other room, the last person left, and it was their turn. Suddenly, the door opened, and Nachito - a little old man - stuck is head out, and exclaimed - “¡Andele, hijas de la chigada! ¿pa’qué se rian de mí?” - “Okay you daughters of bitches! Why are you making fun of me?”
He made them go out to the chicken coop and get eggs, and he used them to cure them, by the “egg method”, and having drawn the evil out, he opened the door to a wood burning stove, and tossed the eggs in there, where you could hear them explode. He told them not to come back, unless they brought him a decent gift. Tencha asked him what he wanted, and he said a bottle of Chanel No. 5 perfume, which happens to be Tencha’s favorite perfume, although she was not wearing any at the time, so that she didn’t smell like it, so that there was no obvious way for Nachito to know that.
This last story is particularly interesting. Tencha says she has a cousin who is a “narco” (a drug smuggler), and this man uses brujos to bring him good luck and protection, and to, as they say, “abrir el camino” (make clear the road). He brought to Ojinaga a famous brujo from Durango, rumored to be one of the most powerful in all of Mexico, and Tencha went to see him. This man “uses”, rather than regular saints or folk saints, some sort of deities which might actually be Indian gods - “the Earth, Water, Fire” were some examples. Tencha described these as if they were entities.
This man is widely believed to be an Indian, and he looks the part, but Tencha says that is not actually so. He is “mexicano”, she says, as opposed to being “indio”.
Basically, what this man told her pretty much reaffirms just about everything that I have surmised or gathered in my studies. We are all surrounded by various spirits, which these people can actually see, as if they were living beings. The more powerful a brujo or curandero is, the greater number of these beings will be in his presence and the more power these beings will be. Most of these are actually ghosts, and depending on whether they were good or evil, they will be the servants of saints, angels, or demons. This man has hundreds of them, and he simply sends one or another off to do any particular chore, and he will either harm people or remove the harm done by others - all for a price.
Here is an example of a job he did for a client. These people paid tens of thousands of dollars for this - I can’t remember the exact figure.
A woman came to him from Los Angeles, California - an Afro-American - concerning the case of her son, who was being tried on a capital murder charge. There was a critical piece of evidence that was going to be used to procure a probable conviction, and this was being kept under lock and key in the evidence room at the court, or police department, or wherever it might have been. This brujo simply arranged for this evidence to vanish, and the trial ended in an acquittal.
I am going to go see Tencha soon and get her to repeat all of this, hopefully, while I tape record it, and if, if I am lucky, I might actually interview one of these people she mentioned.
When I was interviewing Paty, I wanted to find some things out that I had been having trouble getting straight answers about from other sources. I was surprised to find out that she knew more about these matters than I ever dreamed!
Specifically, what I was wondering about is the manner in which the narcotraficantes use witchcraft as a part of their business. When I asked her about that, she replied that there was only one name that one would need to mention to sum all of that up, which she then waited for me to supply, and the name was Chuy Malverde. And when I said that name, she quite visibly shuddered.
Jesus Malverde is famous enough that you can just do a search for “Malverde” on the Internet and get plenty of information, but that information is sorely lacking for my purposes. I am not all that interested in what American journalists have had to say. Anyone, as I said, can read that. I wanted to know more specific things, like the spiritual dimensions as described by a curandera such as herself, and the details of how this business operated right here in Ojinaga, Chihuahua, one of the biggest drug smuggling points in the entire world.
However, I think that her judgment that he was the only name that one might mention is not really true, because there is another, local “black saint” with connections to this world of narco-brujeria, and there is also the matter of regular saints like San Judas Tadeo, San Martin Caballero, San Ramon Nonato, and San Martin de Porres being connected to this topic, all of which she readily acknowledged, albeit that she stressed that the cult of “San Malverde” has pretty much displaced most of all that.
The conversation moved pretty much, nevertheless, in the direction of the local “folk saint”, known as the “Anima de Leyva”. People tell the tale associated with him and then, intending on doing the traditional “There is God” gesture, of holding the index finger upwards with the palm out, they, rather, make the ancient “There is John” sign, with the palm in, which was used extensively in the artwork of Leonardo and other occult artists who are alleged to have been members of a secret organization with reported “Johnist” antecedents known as the Priory of Sion. One reason why this involuntary gesture that so many people seem to do seems so remarkable - because in normal circumstances, they use the “There is God” gesture, because the style of converstain that takes place here frequently leads to such events - is that the “There is John” symbol is a secret anti-Catholic sign, in fact. In a manner of speaking, it is saying that Christ is not the Messiah, because John is, so that, in effect it is “anti-Christ”, to coin a phrase.
This person Juanito Leyva died in a gruesome manner when he was burned alive under circumstances that are reported differently by different persons. It is said that the only part of his body that escaped being blackened and turned to ashes, charcoal, and singed bones, was one finger, which was “miraculously” left pointing upwards, in the “There is God” gesture: and it is said by those who retell this tale, that the purpose of this is that his spirit (the “anima”) was communicating to all that he was innocent, “as God was his witness”.
Actually, I believe the most accurate version of events was that his compadre caught him in a very compromising circumstance with his comadre (the guy’s wife), and that is why he was killed. It is said that he was a bad person, in any event.
His family, I assume it was, built a chapel for his remains, and it is still there, albeit part of the roof has fallen in. There are still milagros hanging there that pilgrims completing mandas have left, and prayers, and notes of thanks for miracles performed. However, in terms of what I wanted to know from Paty, there is no physical evidence left. What I wanted to hear about was how the persons who formerly dominated the drug trade here - Pablo Acosta and Amado Carrillo - had prayed to the Anima de Leyva to help them in their business.
What Paty told me made sense. This chapel actually had a sort of rector at one time - a bruja who was in the service of the narcos (I didn’t ask her name). Amado and Pablo were not just going there to the chapel on their own, they were doing all of this under the instruction of this person, who had a powerful “don”, or gift of spiritual powers, which allowed her, I assume, to channel the spirit of the Anima de Leyva to act as a go-between with even more powerful spirits, which “opened paths” for her clients and closed them for their enemies. Thus, even though the pistoleros of the Pablo’s enemies, the people of his arch-rival, Fermin Arevalo, were constantly ambushing them, Pablo and his own pistoleros, the feared Marco de Haro and Pablo’s Brother, “El Berrendo”, always walked away unscathed, while their attackers died in pools of blood or fled in terror for parts unknown, and Pablo’s loads of drugs made it to Chicago and Denver and everywhere else, while his network of corrupt officials never turned on him or failed him.
Eventually, however, his world began to crumble, and he died in a gruesome hail of automatic weapons file at the hands of government commandos who rappelled down from a helicopter at his desert hideout and fired off an estimated 2000 rounds in a few short seconds into the two room adobe shack, killing all of the occupants.
The bruja who was the medium of the Anima de Leyva later died, in a manner typical of brujas. They always rot, in one way or another, usually either by gangrene, boils, or intestinal ailments, in a manner that generates a lot of stench. In this case, the woman managed to generate a condition similar to a massive burn, on her leg, due to a home remedy that she was receiving or administering herself involving rubbing her leg with vinegar. This condition was very painful, and I assume it was causing some sort of blood poison, because the woman was gravely ill. So, she sent for Paty, and a car would go out to San Pancho, outside of town, and take her to the woman’s house, and bring her back home later. The woman was recovering nicely, when suddenly the woman’s daughter interfered, at the behest of another curandera, who insisted that Paty’s treatment not be continued, but that another one be followed, and as a result of that, the woman died.
The motives of this woman, actually, were to kill the first bruja in order to take her “don”, and to get rich from that, catering to rich narcos. However, likely due to Paty’s intervention, I suspect, she did not get the “don”, but rather, she got the illness, and she has been quite miserable ever since. Her solution has been to try and get Paty to cure her, but, rather than being faced with a situation of having to either do so or to refuse, Paty has found another solution. She says that it is impossible for that woman to arrive in Paty’s presence. Every time she comes down from Midland, Texas, where she lives, Paty is off in town. She will never see her face to face again.
It would be misleading to think that the "Anima de Leyva" was only a black saint for the narco-satanicos. Many see him as a folk saint who is there to help the needy, and cure the sick, for instance. Thus, it was common for women, for instance, to ask him to heal a sick child, and there may be persons who are still doing this, because I saw a votive candle there in the chapel which was probably rather recently placed there.
This is the end of my story. I had gone to the little chapel of the "Anima de Leyva" several years agao, and had taken pictures. There were still milagros, photos, and prayers of thanks from people who had made "mandas" there. When I went back recently, everything was in shambles. There was only one milagro left hanging on the wall. I left it there. But as I was leaving, I looked down, and there in the dust was a little square of paper that been either a photograph or a prayer, and it had a milagro still attached to it. I took that, and I have it right here..
I have posted this story on other groups before, so some of you may have seen this already. This is part of a set of notes I have been keeping on my latest set of studies on this topic. I need to follow up on this with an update on these evernts, and I will do that later on. This was written, I think, like maybe a couple of months ago:
“Is ‘El Cuate’ ‘embrujado’?” - or - “Los Santos Cuates”
This story is true, except for the parts that are speculation, which parts may or may not be true. It can be said that this story is 100% true, if you count the fact that this is “true speculation”, which is to say, it is speculation that is made in good faith: and that is to say, I believe that the things I am speculating are real.
I am not sure how to begin this story, because to understand it, there are number of digressions that have to be performed in order to define the groundwork for this, because it is all a matter of things that might seem commonplace enough in Mexico, but Mexican culture is so distant from ours, and so foreign, and runs so counter to a lot of things that we like to believe, that in order to tell this tale, I almost have to beg the reader to take what I am saying at its face value, and not attempt to engage me in any discussion as to whether my interpretations are the same as theirs.
Let me start with doña Cuca, or Cuquita, as she likes to say that people know her as, who is alleged to be a “brujita” - which is to say, roughly “a dear witch” - using the diminutive form so as not to say “bruja” - “witch” - which is a dire accusation, and an insult, or, at any rate, a rather pejorative way of putting it. In Mexico, there is no modern interpretation of these terms, such as what has come about with the advent of wicca in the English speaking world. There are mostly rather dark and dreadful associations with the term “bruja”, and there is almost no point in discussing that matter with anyone who finds it disturbing that Mexicans feel that way, inasmuch as defenders of wicca might find these seeming prejudices to be offensive or something. I avoid those exchanges if I can, because they remove my focus from what it is that I am studying, which is the fact of brujeria and curanderismo as it exists today in Mexico, and how it has been from almost time immemorial, both in Mexico, in Mesoamerica, in medieval Spain, in the Roman Empire, in Palestine, Syria, Egypt, and Babylon from whence these traditions arose in the first place: and how these traditions have come down to be still quite alive in the world today, which surrounds me here in Ojinaga, Chihuahua, where this type of activity is quite rampant.
Doña Cuca came into Fausto’s, my art gallery on Calle Juarez, in downtown Ojinaga, several months ago, selling “lonches” - these rather awful sandwiches that she was making and selling, mostly, in some of the cantinas downtown - and I bought some from her, and later on, when she was gone, I gave them to some Tarahumara Indians who begged on the streets. The lady who worked for me, Brenda - who is from southern Mexico, from the state of Michoacan, where homicide seems to be the major pastime (Brenda is a widow three time over) - and I started inviting Cuquita to come by and have coffee with us regularly, and we would visit with her and ask a lot of questions, and a lot of what we discussed was spiritual material, since that is my fascination in life, and I am always trying to find out what people believe and set it in a sort of anthropological frame of reference, but not exactly in a scientific manner. My quest is not at all about science.
At one point, Cuquita told me that she read the cards. - Tarot cards? - I asked. No - she said - “Mexicana”: “Mexican” cards. I thought that was odd, because I assumed that they would have to be either regular playing cards, or tarot cards. It turned out that they were tarot cards all right, but she was not familiar with the word. I never did find out where she learned to do this. I eventually sneaked off to see her, and she read my cards for me, and some of the things she told me were indeed very uncannily correct. When she came to a point that she had trouble interpreting, she took her shoes off and put them back on the wrong feet, and she said that helped her interpret them.
Now, if I can move forward to another digression, and describe two Indian women from Oaxaca whom I know - Micaela and Quica - mother in law and daughter in law - who are of the Mixteca tribe, and I buy rebozos (shawls) from them and sell them on the Internet. I really like them a lot - I love them, in fact, and they love me, too, and they confide things in me that I don't think they would be so open about with anyone else. I have known them for years. I only found out recently that Micaela has a “don” - which is to say, the gift of healing in the role of a curandera. And Quica’s father, whom she hardly knew, was a very renowned curandero, who was killed when they brought him up to Tijuana to remove a hex from a person who had been cursed by a witch in the hire of a powerful narcotraficante. When these narcos discovered he had removed a curse from one of their enemies after they had paid a lot of money to have it put on, they had him killed.
Micaela has been giving me spiritual advice for a long time, and once she told me that one secret she had was passed to her when she was young by an old woman, who had told her to always pray to the “Santos Cuates”. I asked her what those were (the term means the “Holy Twins” or the “Twin Saints”, and implies two saints who are twin brothers.) She said that she didn’t know what they looked like, as she had never seen an image of them, but that she had a lot of faith in them, as the old woman who told her about them was renowned for her wisdom and her spiritual power, and I was very intrigued by all of this. But I was sure, and I still am, that there is no Catholic tradition of this, but rather, it has to be a regional thing, that survived under the dubious aegis of pseudo-catholicism through syncretism - wherein some Indian gods transformed themselves into the “Santos Cuates” so that they could live on in the imagined community of the descendants of those who had honored them openly when they preserved, still, their true names and true forms - if there really is such a thing.
It was with that notion in mind, that I took the opportunity to ask, rather casually, at first, but then quite seriously and in the vein of my research, a person I know who is a twin, if he had heard of “Los Santos Cuates”, and he at first said yes, but it turned out that was not true - what was true was that this turned on a light in his head, a distant memory that was awakened, as he recalled how, when he and his brother were yet very small children, it was shown that they had a “don” for performing cures, over the case of a cow that was gravely ill and about to die. The cow belonged to their uncle, to whom it suddenly occurred to run to the father on the twins and have them come massage it, in the form a cross, with one twin massaging in one direction and the other in the other, forming the image of a cross, after which the cow miraculously recovered. Thus, it was established that the “cuates” had curing powers, albeit that this was the only time that these had been put to the test.
Having now established an interview mode with the “cuate”, I moved along to my usual questions, including the one where I asked if he had either participated in, or witnessed, a “limpia” - a curing ritual performed by a curandera or curandero. Indeed he had, with none other than doña Cuca. She had performed this remarkable ritual involving having burning coals in a brazier, over which she added some herbs, and sprinkled it with “Perfume de Siete Machos”, and the cuate - Noé - stood over it and allowed the smoke to envelope him, while she chanted secret prayers. I found all of this to be fascinating.
Not much later, however, the other cuate, Edgar, showed up, and I asked him about this, and he became upset in his telling of it, as he described how it was that this was not a “cure” that they had done to his brother. They had, he said, in fact tricked him, and they had bewitched him, and he had been trying for years to find a way to have his brother cured of this.
So now, I interviewed Edgar, both about this, and about the cow incident, and his version of that was exactly like that of his brothers, but the scene with doña Cuca, as he described it, was completely different.
And at this point, as much as I have been trying to avoid it, I must, once again, launch into yet another digression, because, for those of you who don't know this already, Mexican culture is extremely complicated and full of apparent contradictions. I must now talk about a person whose shadow also moves across this story in her own oblique way, because of her connection with a very uniquely Mexican “Saint”, or goddess, if you will. The “Saint” or “Goddess” - whichever you prefer - is La Santísima Muerte, and the person is Manuela Porras, a curandera who specializes in rituals and amulets of hers, and who is the person, for instance, who first told me about Perfume de Siete Machos, which is sort of a curandera essential. I have since found out that practically all curanderas use it.
In my interview with Manuela, whom I talked after I had Cuca, but before I talked to the cuates, I learned something about the prayers of the Santísima Muerte - which, actually, I already knew quite a bit about, and I even had a copy of them of them at the time. But it is interesting that Edgar told me that, in addition to the ritual with the smoke and Perfume de Siete Machos, they were given a prayer to recite for three days at the stroke of midnight, and in the prayer sheet there was a picture of the Santísima Muerte, and this prayer that they had was no doubt a modified version of the one that is normally said. Edgar described how the brothers were going with two sisters, who wanted them to marry them, and, at the instigation of the girls’ mother, they want to see Cuca, who was supposed to help them with their relationship. Whereas Noé was willing to go along with this, Edgar had his doubts. So he watched while Noé went in there first, and the closed the door. Later, they opened it, and invited him to come in. At that point, he said, he felt like a blast of hot air, and he got a feeling as if a cold chill ran up his spine, and he resisted going in, and no amount of entreaties would change his mind.
Later, when he went over to see his girlfriend, he opened up her closet and there, in the corner, almost hidden away, he saw a glass of water with an egg and what seemed like a lot of broom straws stuck into it. He decided that this was a tool for applying a hex to his brother, although I think it was later argued that it a divination device, actually. At any rate, he took it outside and flung it as far as he could, and he right away broke up with his fiancée, and then he began a several months long campaign to have his brother break up with the girl’s sister, and he is still convinced that even now, years later, his brother is still under this spell and that effects him badly, and that he must be cured. (Believe me - I have left out a lot of detail!)
Later, Micaela and Quica agreed to be interviewed for this book I am working on about curanderismo and brujeria, and in the course of interview I asked them what they thought about the case of the cuates, and when I described the part about the glass of the water with the egg in it, she absolutely turned ashen gray with fear, she crossed herself, and exclaimed “Holy God!” in a tone of sheer terror. I asked her if she felt competent to remove the hex, if, in fact, he was under one, and she declined to do so, for the question of “amparo” - or spiritual protection - which was something she was sorely lacking, and this is why, for instance, when she massaged someone, she would feel bad afterwards, because all of the ills would be transferred to her.
Still later, I talked to Manuela’s brother Lalo, and I asked him if he was aware of all this. He said that Manuela had already examined Noé, and had determined that there was nothing wrong with him - that probably whatever had been done to him, I assume, was removed when Edgar found the glass with the egg in it and threw it away.
I must confess that what I wanted to do was to arrange this limpia, and then photograph it and tape record it - Micaela prays in Mixteca, only she says the names of the saints in Spanish, so it sounds really cool - she recited a small portion of her curing prayers for me at one point. Micaela left town, and I don't know when she will be back. And we were going to take the cuate to see yet another curandero I know, don Martín, but he is out of town again, and I don’t know when he will be back. Seeing Manuela is out of the question now, because Edgar beat the stuffing out her brother (Chuy - not Lalo) in jail a few months back, and she has no use for the cuates now. So that leaves Paty, a very, very cool curandera I know who lives outside of town, who worked with us couple of years ago on a PBS and BBC production with Michael Wood, wherein I was a consultant. Paty will be able to tell us right away if the cuate is really embrujado, and if he is, she will fix him.
But my story has not ended. Just recently, a woman that I know - an artist - came down from Alpine, Texas, with a lot of her artwork, hoping to sell me some, or at least leave it on consignment. I took two pieces off of her hands, which were reproductions of some Mesoamerican art - from the state of Guerrero, not very far from the region where Micaela and Quica live. When I paid for them, I was so busy gossiping and carrying on with Julie Peña - the artist, that I hardly even looked that the artwork that I had just bought. Later on, as I was joking with my assistant, Mary, about the twins, whom we have now taken to calling the “Santos Cuates”, I just happened to look over at one of the mono-prints that Julie had brought me, and the figure practically jumped out of the frame at me! It was a very stylized rendition of a pair of twins! I looked at the other, which was a completely different glyph, or motif, but the subject was the same - twins! I told myself, and I told Mary, and genuinely believe that this is true - There they are - the Santos Cuates!!!
In the Aztec ceremonial calender, as a method of lining up the 20 "zodiacal" signs along the axis that represents darkness or passivity and that which represents light or energy, incorporated the images of the mythological twin brothers, Tezcatlipoca (the ancestor figure of the Aztecs) and Quetzalcoatl (the ancestor of figure of the Toltecs) to establish the "line of Tezcatlipoca" and the "line of Quetzalcoatl". Concepts such as this, however, far predate the arrival of the Aztecs in the Valley of Mexico. The "Santos Cuates", however, is a concept that probably dates from the arrival of much earlier tribes, the Zapoteca-Otomi speakers, from a period between 2,000 and 3,000 years ago, when they arrived in the Valley of Mexico (Otomi) and in Oaxaca, Chiapas, Veracruz, and Guerrero (Zapoteca). Many of their myths were largely adopted by the later Mixteca, the builders of Monte Alban.
Herbalism is definitely a big part of the practice of most curanderas and curanderos. It is reported that there are at least 3,000 different commonly used medicinal plants in Mexico, and of the curanderos and curanderas whom I know, at least two of them are fairly adept at prescribing herbs. To that extent, I think that it would be a good thing to discuss that topic, especially as it relates to the overall practices of curanderismo and brujeria.
Besides plants, there are also animal products which have curative qualities and which are sold in hierberias, and there are also rituals involving both plants and animals, and these are items we should discuss in terms of sharing important information on curanderismo and brujeria.
I also would like to say that if anyone wants to meet a real curandero or curandera, here in Mexico, or wants to pass something on to one and get an answer, I can arrange such a thing. When I say that these people are my friends and they have have a lot of trust and esteem in me, I am not kidding. They like me a lot, and they are extremely supportive of what I am doing. In that sense, I can be confident that they will do whatever is necessary, within the bounds of reason, to treat with my friends on this list.
I am from New Mexico, by the way, but I now live on the border. Ojinaga and Presidio are really the same town with a border running through the middle (the Rio Bravo - or "Rio Grande", as gringos call it). I am in Ojinaga all day long, and when I come home to the Occupied North Bank, I don't consider that I have really left Mexico. Ojinaga and New Mexico have incredible historic ties, by the way. Ojinaga was originally home to Tanoan (Tewa) speaking pueblo Indians - the Jumanos - whose other major town was Gran Quivira. They were once the dominant tribe in New Mexico, West Texas, and
Northeast Chihuahua, until they were decimated and then later absorbed by the Apaches.
I agree with Michael Wood that Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca was the first Mexican curandero, as he was the first to combine Indian healing practices with Spanish Catholic prayers. Ojinaga is the only place that it is actually recorded with certainty that he visited in his famous journey. He passed through here in 1535, and as such, it almost makes Ojinaga like the seat of the Mexican curanderismo that we know today. I made the arrangements for the curandera who participated in the segment about that in his series on BBC and PBS, "Conquistadors". You can get the tape or the book on Amazon.com. The curandera I am referring to is named Paty, and I made a web page for her at http://ojinaga.com/curandera
Hello Bryant!!! Best of luck with your new group!!! I hope it goes over well and you get a lot of members. It's a most interesting subject, that's for sure. I'm from a small town in east Texas which has a pretty large Mexican population. There was always talk of a curandera who lived in town, but I never got to meet her. We now live in New Mexico, and I've heard there are many here, but, have yet to meet one!!! I'm a traditionally trained western herbalist, but, am very interested in curanderismo, and hope to learn a lot about the subject on this list. Glad you started it!!! Suzy
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I have only had this group started for about an hour now, and we already have four members!
I want to say that it is okay to sell things that are related to the topic, because, frankly, if anyone is interested in this they are no doubt going to be interested in acquiring objects, books, etc. that have something to do with it, so don't feel inhibited in that regard.
The only rule I am going to ask is that people observe the Golden Rule, which, I think, in the case of any e-mail group, that includes the observance of standard rules which any e-mail groups that are successful follow - no flaming, spamming, or off topic posts, no e-mail virus scares, etc. Right now I have not eliminated the attaching of files, but I probably will, both for the sake of virus protection and to prevent people from having to wait forever for some silly graphic or something download.
This is a translation of a tape recording that I made in 1996 of don
Martin Martinez, a famous curandero, performing his set of "limpia"
prayers. I really need to transcribe the tape in Spanish and
translate it over again, because the transcription is flawed (my
wife's ex-secretary did it for me) and the translation is stilted.
Since that time I have taken to translating things differently -
trying to convey the context and sticking less to the actual words,
recognizing that the grammar and syntex are so different between
Spanish spoken dialect and English. At any rate, I think that this is
almost a unique item here:
M- In the name may it be of God the All Powerful
In the name of God the All Powerful
that the evil spirits
be removed far from this brother
that they serve to value thee
mocking spirits
may it be thy credulity.
God, pray will all
the forces of my soul
but I wish that they pour out
over thy brother
the mercy of God.
Good Spirit which hates
and preserves the jealousy of the hate
all benevolence, all
sentiment contrary to charity,
for these are many other doors
open to the spirit of evil
with my pains the Holy Sacraments
to the House of Jerusalem, Amen.
Saint Anthony, on a good path
that in thy hands and those of the child
that praying a prayer
that the pilgrim
prayed when Jesus Christ came
five in the divine altar
flowing drops of blood
from the hands and the feet
wipe, wipe, Magdalene
do not thou tire of cleaning.
That these are the five
wounds that I must pass
with the small and the
great and all of Christendom.
King of the eternal dwelling
may one day it please thee
that angels descend from heaven saying
Hail Mary three times a day:
Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary.
Saint Nicholas is lost
The Virgin is looking for him.
My Lady I have not seen
there pass by here
a dazzling star.
Yes, My Lady, yes I saw
that by here it went passing;
Saint John and The Magdalene
carry it in their hand.
Let us walk, let us walk
until we arrive at Calvary
that though we walk faster
they will have already crucified Him
they will have nailed Him
the nails in his divine side
the blood that there spills
falls into the sacred chalice
and the man to whom it is given
will be well blessed.
Forever and ever, Amen.
As Thou art of Nature, My God,
to this unhappy creature
do not give the burial
between the wings of evil
give him strength and worth
to be saved from the abyss;
give him grace for the same
that thy goodness is so great
with my fragile arrogance
and flooded the human sea
I have crossed so alone through pleasure.
Let him, Lord, that he again
walks on the continent
making fervent vows
to be a faithful Christian.
If I with my foolish lack
have strayed into the fog
challenging the foam
lift the storm,
I offer that from hereon
I will not have the gall
to become deaf to the lament
of he who suffers in that evil
and following my road I have had
that brazenness to mock that Pharoah
that the harbor come near me.
I promise thee, My God,
not to mock that light
that shines over the cross
through Thy Son and Thy Love.
Thou, Father of my soul
who listens to the afflicted.
May thou achieve repentance
of what thy life was.
Save him, My God. Save him, My God,
and give me an account beforehand
so that I may repent
in the necessary time. Amen.
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming
M- Cover him, divine Peter
with thy charity and love.
Today go out on the road,
Great Apostle of The Lord.
I pray thee, Sacred Apostle
that so alone at the invoking
that when I see him tribulating
thou always may be in thy calling
in whatever grave danger,
in whatever sad affliction,
in whatever road where he may travel,
Peter. And your protection then one mercy
I pray thee through your refulgent shadow
though many the enemies who follow him
daily in an assault on the road
in a disastrous hour.
Cover him divine Peter
with thy shadow so sacred
when on the road he goes forth
and a sorcerer springs forth.
And there thy shadow he may value
the name of the Lord,
thou by God were elected
to be His apostle scribe.
Lord Saint Peter of the reliquary
in the mansion of the earth
in whatever crisis or danger
of persecution or of war, Peter,
may thou do what God enjoys in heaven.
Through thee all good may be reached:
open the doors, Peter.
The great blessings
thou art their custodian
wherever he may go out
in the night and in the day
there thy shadow may be to his value
Divine, Sacred Apostle.
I pray thee with efficacy
that I may not lose the grace
through that great pain
of when thou repenting
when thy soul forgiven
may be of mortal blame,
do not deny the entrance
to the holy country.
Beg the Lord for us
that to thee we make our petition.
Favor thy devotees
who pray thy devotion. Amen Jesus.
Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever.
Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me one, one is the Holy House of Jerusalem where Thou
dost live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me two, two are the Tablets of Moses, one is the Holy
House of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me three, three Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one is
the holy house of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever.
Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me four, four Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets of
Moses, one is the holy house of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and
rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me five, five wounds, four Gospels, three Trinities, two
tablets of Moses, one is the Holy House of Jerusalem where Thou dost
live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me six, six candelabrums, five wounds, four Gospels,
three Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one is the holy house of
Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me seven, seven joys, six candelabrums, five wounds, four
Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one is the Holy House
of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me eight, eight choruses, seven joys, six candelabrums,
five wounds, four Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one
is the Holy House of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever.
Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me nine, nine months, eight choruses, seven joys, six
candelabrums, five wounds, four Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets
of Moses, one is the Holy House of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and
rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me ten, ten commandments, nine months, eight choruses,
seven joys, six candelabrums, five wounds, four Gospels, three
Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one is the holy house of Jerusalem
where Thou dost live and rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me eleven, eleven thousand virgins, ten commandments,
nine months, eight choruses, seven joys, six candelabrums, five
wounds, four Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets of Moses, one is
the Holy House of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and rein forever.
Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me twelve, twelve apostles, eleven thousand virgins, ten
commandments, nine months, eight choruses, seven joys, six
candelabrums, five wounds, four Gospels, three Trinities, two tablets
of Moses, one is the holy house of Jerusalem where Thou dost live and
rein forever. Amen.
Of the twelve truths of the world brother well I want that thou
mayest tell me thirteen, thirteen rays of the sun conduct the witches
and the sorcerers to the hells and thus may it be God the Father, God
the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.
Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- Spirit of Eduardo do not stay.
H- I'm coming.
M- Turn around.
On Friday that day
was there the Virgin Mary.
She had a little golden book.
She prayed one half, she offered one half.
And there came her precious Son
"What doest thou Mother Mary?"
Not sleeping nor waking
yet that she dreamed a dream.
On that Mount Calvary there were
three crosses. Nailed
onto the highest of those was
the Lord crucified,
nailed by the feet and hands
but that no one helped Him
except that through John the Baptist
who preached in the mountains.
A woman was there named Monica
with a cloth with which she cleaned
pressed there against His face.
One should pray this prayer
upon laying down and rising
[and] might discover Most Holy Mary seated
in her throne up until
one may die in her arms
Amen Jesus.
The angel seated at his guard
reliquary of the Lord
that for Him was created
for protection and guardian:
I entreat thee, blessed angel,
through thy grace and knowledge
thou hast to defend him
from the snares and deceptions
of the accursed
until present be his soul found
to the Lord, this I believe. Amen.
Thanks I give, Great Lord.
I praise Thy great power,
that with charity and love
Thou hast let us see the dawn.
Thus I pray thee, my God,
with health in my soul,
body for to know and believe
that there is God in heaven
on the earth and in all places.
Amen Jesus.
The divine providence
extend itself in each moment
so that we not lack anything
shod and clothed and fed.
God save thee Queen and Mother,
Mother of Mercy, our hope.
God save thee; thee we love
the banished sons of Eve
and we sigh and whining and crying
in this valley of tears
be thou thus Lady our advocate
to ourselves those thy merciful eyes
that later in this banishment
show us Jesus,
Blessed Fruit of thy womb.
O Clement, O Pious, O Sweet,
O always Virgin Mary!
Pray for us, Holy Mother of God,
so that we may be dignified
and deserving of reaching
the divine grace and promises
of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Bless the bed and chant to chant
with God I lay down and with God I arise
with the grace of God and
that of the Holy Spirit,
God with me and I with He,
God before me and I behind Him
the blood which died in Him
speak and respond for me
placate the hearts
which aspire against me.
Through the consecrated hosts
which were shared this day today,
they remained thus shared.
Animals and enemies
that aspire against me
may a wind come and take them
and the rest to be forgotten,
Sweet Jesus of my life
master of my heart
let not that my soul be lost
and die without confession. Amen Jesus.
My Mother of Guadalupe
now I am placed in the road
to what saint will I acclaim
who want to be my godparents
to the patriarch Saint Joseph
or to the Divine Sacrament.
Most Holy Virgin of Guadalupe
cover me with thy Most Holy,
Most Pure Mantle
O Virgin of Perpetual Succor,
Succor protect me defend me
from my furies, from my enemies
and leave me in peace
and that I not lack my daily bread
and thus may it be.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever.
Amen
Spirit of Eduardo do not stay
H- I'm coming.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever.
Amen
Spirit of Eduardo do not stay
H- I'm coming.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever.
Amen
Spirit of Eduardo do not stay
H- I'm coming.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit forever and ever.
Amen
Jesus, Mary and Joseph Holy Trinity
glorify his soul, Lord,
and may his spirit be filled with joy
in contemplating the goodness
of God my Savior,
because He has placed His gaze
upon this thy humble servant
and for that reason which
they achieve joyousness
and happiness throughout all generations
since they have made thy favor
as great and marvelous ones.
Before the All Powerful
a man is infinitely holy;
His mercy extends
from generation to generation to all
that number which fear this thy power.
He scattered the pride of the arrogant
transforming their destinies.
He divested the powerful
in the humble barrio to the Mexicans
full of good things and the rich
He left with nothing at all.
I exalt Israel,
Thy servant remembering him
through Thy great mercy and kindness
to our first Fathers
Abraham and to all his known descendants,
but most zealously to his forefathers
of the house of the most holy Trinity
God the Father, God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
forever and ever. Amen
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, forever and ever.
Amen.
Ready.
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