Agree with your interpretation Eric
In Potter's British manual from a slightly later period (1815/16/17 depending on various sources) he also lays out the Troop in a similar manner as the 1789 manuscript
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:07:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [18cMusic] Re: Wanted: a little help
In Potter's British manual from a slightly later period (1815/16/17 depending on various sources) he also lays out the Troop in a similar manner as the 1789 manuscript
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:07:47 -0400
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Hi Brad,
Gary and I were actually talking about Singling and Doubling a couple of weeks ago at Crown Point. In the c. 1780 Drum Beating MS (very similair to Longman and Broderip with some slight variations of drum beatings and extra material), it says for Troop:
Rising to be beat once over.
Singling to be beat as often over as you please.
Doubling Ditto.
Breaking off once over.
Longman and Broderip's version of this is more complicated.
In eighteenth century music, "double" could sometimes be seen meaning a varitation. Maybe singling and doubling got their names from that? The tattoo is also comprised of singling and doubling beatings. In my opinion, singling and doubling don't have any distinct purpose besides comprising the troop, other than to provide musical interest. For troop, it seems like a number of singling tunes could have been played while the drummers beat. Then they could switch to the doubling tunes.
Erik Lichack
Fife Major, BAR
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Gary,
Thanks so much for your responce. I believe I have both the tutors you cited (Being at work, I believe I got the dates wrong). Being very new to this, can you explain to me what exactly does Singlings and Doublings mean? Alos, are there multiple versions of Roast Beef to be found in Fifeanddrum.org or will just about any version I find on there be appropriate? The BAR book is on my wish list, as soon as my income improves with the economy/markets.
Thanks again,
Brad
--- In 18cMusic@yahoogroups.com , fifemajor22@... wrote:
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> Dear Brad,
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> The earliest source for English and Scottish Camp Duties is Rutherfoords Fife Tutor, which was published circa 1756.? Thompson & Son published the next Fife Tutor in 1759, and it is essentially a copy of Rutherfoord.
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> Both of these tutors include the English Duty and the Scotch Duty tunes for the fife:
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> Reveilly
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> General
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> Drummers Call
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> Retreat
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> Taptoo
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> They both include various troops, doublings, singlings, etc.? It is unclear what singlings and doublings were used for other than being associated with the Troop.? The Troop's purpose was to assemble the men and inspect.? Troop or Assembly may have been another singling of the troop because most singlings are in 3/8 time; while doublings are in 2/4 time.
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> The tune used for provisions was the Roast Beef, but this is not in these tutors.
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> The new BAR book lists all of these camp duties, and they are appropriate for French and Indian
> War period.? The drum parts are from a circa 1780 source (Longman and Broderip) which is the earliest known source for the drum.
>
>
>
> Also, copies of the original fife tutors are available from Ray Hauley.
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>
>
> Regards,
>
>
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> Gary Vorwald
>
> Fife Major
>
> 22nd Regiment
>
> BAR Inspector of Music 1987 - 2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ireland <CprlJohnIvey@...>
> To: 18cMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:23 am
> Subject: [18cMusic] Wanted: a little help
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Looking for English Duty Camp/Duty calls for F&I era for the fife. I got musicians calls and rev. and taptoo. What I am looking for is meal calls, officer calls, fatigue calls, etc... The two 1740-50's manuals that I have don't list them. All they list is several different versions of troop and doublings. I am very new to this so if you can shed some light for me I'd appreciate this. Are these online someplace? Is the new BAR book that came out that says it has these calls appropriate for F&I era? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
Thanks so much for your responce. I believe I have both the tutors you cited (Being at work, I believe I got the dates wrong). Being very new to this, can you explain to me what exactly does Singlings and Doublings mean? Alos, are there multiple versions of Roast Beef to be found in Fifeanddrum.
Thanks again,
Brad
--- In 18cMusic@yahoogroup
>
>
> Dear Brad,
>
>
>
> The earliest source for English and Scottish Camp Duties is Rutherfoords Fife Tutor, which was published circa 1756.? Thompson & Son published the next Fife Tutor in 1759, and it is essentially a copy of Rutherfoord.
>
>
>
> Both of these tutors include the English Duty and the Scotch Duty tunes for the fife:
>
>
>
> Reveilly
>
> General
>
> Drummers Call
>
> Retreat
>
> Taptoo
>
>
>
> They both include various troops, doublings, singlings, etc.? It is unclear what singlings and doublings were used for other than being associated with the Troop.? The Troop's purpose was to assemble the men and inspect.? Troop or Assembly may have been another singling of the troop because most singlings are in 3/8 time; while doublings are in 2/4 time.
>
>
>
> The tune used for provisions was the Roast Beef, but this is not in these tutors.
>
>
>
> The new BAR book lists all of these camp duties, and they are appropriate for French and Indian
> War period.? The drum parts are from a circa 1780 source (Longman and Broderip) which is the earliest known source for the drum.
>
>
>
> Also, copies of the original fife tutors are available from Ray Hauley.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Gary Vorwald
>
> Fife Major
>
> 22nd Regiment
>
> BAR Inspector of Music 1987 - 2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ireland <CprlJohnIvey@
> To: 18cMusic@yahoogroup
> Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:23 am
> Subject: [18cMusic] Wanted: a little help
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for English Duty Camp/Duty calls for F&I era for the fife. I got musicians calls and rev. and taptoo. What I am looking for is meal calls, officer calls, fatigue calls, etc... The two 1740-50's manuals that I have don't list them. All they list is several different versions of troop and doublings. I am very new to this so if you can shed some light for me I'd appreciate this. Are these online someplace? Is the new BAR book that came out that says it has these calls appropriate for F&I era? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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