We're here to discuss 12VDC alternative power systems for off-grid homes, whether off-grid by choice or necessity. We'll talk about any type of generation -- wind, solar, hydro or whatever. And, we'll also discuss storage and distribution systems for 12 VDC. And, not to eliminate anyone, we'll gladly talk about 24 and 48 volt DC systems too. Our planet is rapidly running out of fossil fuels, and the pollution from those is destroying our environment. It's time to utilize renewable energy and that's why our group is here. We do not talk about batteryless grid tie, as that does not help you be self reliant.

We are NOT here to discuss "over-unity", "free energy" or any other non-existent, non-functional, and 'simply impossible by any known law of physics' devices. If you want to discuss all that pie-in-the-sky crap, that's fine, just don't do it here.

Please do your fellow group members the honor of learning enough about the subjects discussed here to understand what you're asking and what we're answering. We welcome newbies, but let us know you're helping.

We will NOT tolerate spamming on this group. Any member guilty of spamming will be banned after the first occurrence. There will be NO discussion and NO appeal. Just don't do it. Although this forum is not intended as a sales tool, we allow members to mention an item they have for sale. Further discussion of the item and any sales discussions or negotiations must take place OFF LIST between the interested parties.

We are NOT here to discuss either politics or religion, so please refrain from posting on those subjects. Violators will be put on moderation, and may be banned if they persist.